The Weird, Wacky and Awesome World of the NFL - General Banter thread

raze_them_all_ · 18-12-2014 2:20am

Billy86 wrote: »

The quick termination in my opinion looks very bad in terms of his innocence/guilt. Reminded me of Hernandez last summer when a lot were saying it was way too quick to sack him, only a day or so after the story broke. I'm guessing it's the same here - the team have more info than we do, and it's not good.

oh no don't get me wrong, I think the team knows something but as i said if he is not found guilty then they will of clearly said the incident that he is innocent of was part of the reason we sacked him

Chucky the tree · 18-12-2014 2:59am

The NFL isn't like the average job contract. They can be cut for any and every reason.

Realt Dearg Sec · 18-12-2014 4:54am

raze_them_all_ wrote: »

if he isn actually charged and found guilty 49rs could be in legal trouble with wrongful termination

Honestly the odds of him being found not guilty again are practicality zero.

adrian522 · 18-12-2014 2:45pm

raze_them_all_ wrote: »

oh no don't get me wrong, I think the team knows something but as i said if he is not found guilty then they will of clearly said the incident that he is innocent of was part of the reason we sacked him

I think the reason they cut him so soon would be after they stood by him last time they probably said "one more incident of any kind and you're gone". Whether he gets found guilty or innocent is irrelevant, he keeps getting in trouble and he'll likely get a big suspension, not sure anyone will pick him up in the short term at least.

Pity as he'd been having his best season for us.

Paully D · 21-12-2014 1:40am

What is your opinion on teams winning what are essentially meaningless games (in the grand scheme of things) which impact on their draft position?

Now, I know the vast majority of head coaches and players won't just give up as they are quite often playing for jobs and contracts (whether with their current or future teams), but take the Redskins tonight for example. 3-11, a top 5 draft pick, but now with their win tonight they will fall a number of places.

Obviously you play to win, but a time comes when you have to look at the bigger picture too IMO. If I was a Redskins fan I wouldn't be ashamed to say that I wouldn't be at all bothered if they were to lose tonight, in order to pick up better draft position. After all, is anyone really going to remember a win in week 16 of a 4 or 5 win season in a few years time? The player(s) picked up from the higher draft position is, or should, be worth a lot more.

Your thoughts?

shamrock55 · 21-12-2014 2:01am

Its a big minus against the draft system, same as nba, you always want to win games though, but at the same time a team winning a game this late in the year that doesnt matter a **** in the grand scheme of things could have a big impact on how you will get on in the seasons to come, its a tough one alright but you simply cant have teams laying down just for a draft pick, its a serious flaw in american sport i think, im a skins fan btw and was delighted with the win tonight tbh, i dont think as a fan i could ever want my team to lose(even though im well used to it at this stage):D

raze_them_all_ · 21-12-2014 2:35am

shamrock55 wrote: »

Its a big minus against the draft system, same as nba, you always want to win games though, but at the same time a team winning a game this late in the year that doesnt matter a **** in the grand scheme of things could have a big impact on how you will get on in the seasons to come, its a tough one alright but you simply cant have teams laying down just for a draft pick, its a serious flaw in american sport i think, im a skins fan btw and was delighted with the win tonight tbh, i dont think as a fan i could ever want my team to lose(even though im well used to it at this stage):D

nba has a lottery system to stop team throwing for the number one pick. IIRC the same team got the number 1 pick 2 years in a row by it

Shedite27 · 21-12-2014 11:06am

Paully D wrote: »

What is your opinion on teams winning what are essentially meaningless games (in the grand scheme of things) which impact on their draft position?

Think of it from a Redskins player perspective. They're most likely going to cut a lot of players in the off season so they're all playing for their job, or at least to be put in the shop window for next season. So while the team/fans might like a no.1 overall, the players themselves, probably not. If RGIII had another awful night there's a good chance they would have got Maritoba. Probably not now.

I remember a few years back, there was a game that was supposed to be loser gets no.1 pick and Reggie Bush. 2 running backs on each team had their best games of the year as they figured they were out of a job if they got Bush.

Billy86 · 21-12-2014 12:51pm

Paully D wrote: »

What is your opinion on teams winning what are essentially meaningless games (in the grand scheme of things) which impact on their draft position?

Now, I know the vast majority of head coaches and players won't just give up as they are quite often playing for jobs and contracts (whether with their current or future teams), but take the Redskins tonight for example. 3-11, a top 5 draft pick, but now with their win tonight they will fall a number of places.

Obviously you play to win, but a time comes when you have to look at the bigger picture too IMO. If I was a Redskins fan I wouldn't be ashamed to say that I wouldn't be at all bothered if they were to lose tonight, in order to pick up better draft position. After all, is anyone really going to remember a win in week 16 of a 4 or 5 win season in a few years time? The player(s) picked up from the higher draft position is, or should, be worth a lot more.

Your thoughts?

It's very, very rare that coaches and especially players will be in a position to deliberately tank but I couldd definitely see the incentive from a fans' perspective. A friend of mine is a Rams fan and though he wasn't thinking about it much I was kind of hoping their awful start to the season would continue so they could possibly be in a position to go for Mariota (esp since the Raiders and Jags are not going to take a QB) and be in a position to try looking for a potential #1 WR in the second round. Not gonna happen now...

raze_them_all_ · 22-12-2014 8:54pm

After a nice wee rest cutler is back to starting in Chicago

Realt Dearg Sec · 22-12-2014 9:54pm

raze_them_all_ wrote: »

After a nice wee rest cutler is back to starting in Chicago

The stupidity of this coaching group never ceases to amaze me.

raze_them_all_ · 22-12-2014 9:58pm

Realt Dearg Sec wrote: »

The stupidity of this coaching group never ceases to amaze me.

concussion for his replacement, but it is a total cluster**** of a situation for them

Lionbacker · 22-12-2014 10:54pm

After a nice wee rest cutler is back to starting in Chicago

And a nice wee rest is coming for Raiola, after his scummy actions (stamping on Ego Ferguson) against the Bears have resulted in a 1 game suspension, which is rightly deserved.
No place in the league whatsoever for that type of behaviour. Got himself suspended for Lions most important game of the season. A grade-A moron. Lions going to have to start a rookie at centre for Sunday now.

matthew8 · 22-12-2014 11:17pm

Only a one game ban that's a joke. Such a disgraceful player he ought to be on a lifetime ban by now. Deliberately throwing his 310lb weight onto someone's ankle, could've been a nasty injury.

Lionbacker · 22-12-2014 11:22pm

matthew8 wrote: »

Only a one game ban that's a joke. Such a disgraceful player he ought to be on a lifetime ban by now. Deliberately throwing his 310lb weight onto someone's ankle, could've been a nasty injury.

Well, you won't have to worry about him after this season. He'll be gone at the end of the season. His play has been below average & after the way way he's behaved on the field this year, good riddance.

adrian522 · 22-12-2014 11:26pm

There's a report about the Ray McDonald case that says he was out drinking with Aldon Smith. This is significant because one of the terms of Smith's probation is that he doesn't drink.

If confirmed he may have to serve out his sentence. The 49ers have until the start of the new league year to cut him without any cap hit, his salary for 2015 becomes guaranteed at that point.

raze_them_all_ · 22-12-2014 11:43pm

adrian522 wrote: »

There's a report about the Ray McDonald case that says he was out drinking with Aldon Smith. This is significant because one of the terms of Smith's probation is that he doesn't drink.

If confirmed he may have to serve out his sentence. The 49ers have until the start of the new league year to cut him without any cap hit, his salary for 2015 becomes guaranteed at that point.

but was smith drinking or out with friends that were drinking?

JaMarcusHustle · 22-12-2014 11:46pm

The classy get classier.

http://profootballzone.com/nfc/lions-dominic-raiola-made-fun-brandon-marshalls-mental-illness/

raze_them_all_ · 22-12-2014 11:49pm

JaMarcusHustle wrote: »

The classy get classier.

http://profootballzone.com/nfc/lions-dominic-raiola-made-fun-brandon-marshalls-mental-illness/

I for one am shocked that the lions have dirty players

Lionbacker · 22-12-2014 11:58pm

JaMarcusHustle wrote: »

The classy get classier.

http://profootballzone.com/nfc/lions-dominic-raiola-made-fun-brandon-marshalls-mental-illness/

Oh dear. Words fail me.
He is a clearly a cancer to the Lions as an organisation & unfortunately, the reputation & rest of the team is unfairly being tarnished with the same brush due his actions during the past few weeks.

adrian522 · 23-12-2014 12:01am

raze_them_all_ wrote: »

but was smith drinking or out with friends that were drinking?

I guess it is possible that Smith was out with McDonald and other team mates at all hours of the morning, with girls they just met and he was sober and they were all drunk, and I really hope that is the case but I'd be surprised to be honest.

raze_them_all_ · 23-12-2014 12:21am

adrian522 wrote: »

I guess it is possible that Smith was out with McDonald and other team mates at all hours of the morning, with girls they just met and he was sober and they were all drunk, and I really hope that is the case but I'd be surprised to be honest.

I'd also be shocked, but once he wasn't tested that will be what is said and can't be proved otherwise

adrian522 · 23-12-2014 11:28am

raze_them_all_ wrote: »

I'd also be shocked, but once he wasn't tested that will be what is said and can't be proved otherwise

The following from his agent:

Aldon Smith, per agent @DHendrickson41, was not drinking at Ray McDonald's house last week; gets tested twice a week & has never failed

Also apparently the probation specifies he can't drive with any alcohol in his system not that he can't drink at all. A lot of conflicting information out there though.

I do like this from one of the 49ers bloggers though:

And so, we're once again left waiting to hear more about what is going on. The 49ers are looking into this, and we'll likely hear more in the coming days, weeks, and/or months. The one thing I do know is that nobody should ever go to Ray McDonald's house ever again. Players, if you want to hang out with McDonald, do it far away from his house because clearly nothing good comes of going there!

Personally I just can't wait for this long horrible season to end.

Realt Dearg Sec · 23-12-2014 11:48am

raze_them_all_ wrote: »

concussion for his replacement, but it is a total cluster**** of a situation for them

Yeah it was because Clausen was concussed but presumably once you've decided to bench Cutler, Fales would be the next man up. Otherwise why did they bench Cutler in the first place? Did they genuinely think Clausen is better? If so, what genius gave Jay his contract and why aren't they fired yet? The season has been a bad joke, and every week we think we've heard the punchline, only to find out there's more. I just cannot wait till Monday. How many times a year do you get to say that?

Tristram · 24-12-2014 3:01pm

Vikings have released Ben Tate. What a massive disappointment his season has been.

Billy86 · 24-12-2014 6:32pm

The Christmas story of the season has to be Rex Grossman turning down a chance to step in and be the Browns starter for week 17, possibly putting himself in contention for a backup spot next season, because he wanted to spend Christmas with family. Nobody wants to spend this time of the year training in the Factory of Sadness. :pac:

Realt Dearg Sec · 24-12-2014 6:49pm

Billy86 wrote: »

The Christmas story of the season has to be Rex Grossman turning down a chance to step in and be the Browns starter for week 17, possibly putting himself in contention for a backup spot next season, because he wanted to spend Christmas with family. Nobody wants to spend this time of the year training in the Factory of Sadness. :pac:

He's Damn right too, they were only offering him the one game league minimum, nobody is picking up sexy Rexy if we're honest. An indictment of the Browns all the same.

Paully D · 24-12-2014 8:46pm

The man is just not human.

Ian Kenyon ‏@IanKenyonNFL:

JJ Watt's PFF ratings from 2012-2014: 94.2, 99.8, 101.0

The next highest score registered from a 3-4 DE from 2012-2014 is 38.2

JaMarcusHustle · 25-12-2014 4:29pm

FYI, there's a replay of the Bahamas bowl between Western Kentucky and Central Michigan on ESPN as we speak. It's at half time, 42-14 to Western Kentucky. If you're suffering from a food coma and want a football fix and didn't catch this one live yesterday, do yourself a favour and switch it on. One of the most incredible 4th quarters you'll ever see that included one of the best plays of all time.

Knex* · 25-12-2014 6:50pm

Happy Christmas fellas. Hope ye enjoy it, wherever ye are!

eagle eye · 26-12-2014 12:07am

Happy Christmas to all too.

I don't want to ruin the other thread with chat, regular season awards thread, so just thought I'd post here.

Everybody is picking Arians for coach of the year and those that aren't are picking Garrett and they are both good calls but for me it has to be Pete Carroll. He has brought a franchise that was in disarray to a Superbowl and they now sit atop their conference with one game to go and have a big chance to repeat. I just think he has been exceptional there and he stands above all others over the last 12 months for me.

tang1 · 26-12-2014 1:18am

Is there a Steelers thread here? What do people make of the Terrible Towel fans chances of a prolonged run in the playoffs? If we had a secondary i'd say we have a good a chance as any at a push for the Superbowl. The front three of Big Ben, Brown & Bell is as good as any if not the best in the league.

phatkev · 26-12-2014 2:20am

The SOs Christmas game was on top form this year:)

phatkev · 26-12-2014 2:34am

eagle eye wrote: »

Everybody is picking Arians for coach of the year and those that aren't are picking Garrett and they are both good calls but for me it has to be Pete Carroll.

Arians got my vote, but the next name on my list was Bill O'Brien. I think he's done a pretty fantastic job down in Houston.
The Offensive rookie was a difficult one for me too. I dont think anyone can deny OBJ has been phenomenal year and deserves it. But two guards have really stood out for me this year, Joel Bitonio and Zach Martin both deserve a huge amount of credit for their performances

HigginsJ · 26-12-2014 8:50am

phatkev wrote: »

Arians got my vote, but the next name on my list was Bill O'Brien. I think he's done a pretty fantastic job down in Houston.
The Offensive rookie was a difficult one for me too. I dont think anyone can deny OBJ has been phenomenal year and deserves it. But two guards have really stood out for me this year, Joel Bitonio and Zach Martin both deserve a huge amount of credit for their performances

Bitonio has been PFF's top rated guard this year. That is a phenomenal achievement & when you couple it with the fact that Alex Mack was lost after 5 games it makes it even better. He & Martin both deserve a shot at the award but linemen have no hope.

Itssoeasy · 26-12-2014 5:27pm

@RapSheet: #AZCardinals QB Drew Stanton’s infection was discovered Wednesday, believed to be caused by an outside medical treatment. Status in doubt.

So Stanton went on a solo run with some medical treatment instead of going through the team ? Very silly boy. And it got infected.

Itssoeasy · 26-12-2014 5:33pm

@RapSheet: Prior to infection, Drew Stanton (MCL sprain) was recovering well. May be done now. This explains switch to Ryan Lindley — prep for playoffs

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JaMarcusHustle · 27-12-2014 7:45pm

Josh Gordon suspended by the Browns for violation of team rules.

Genuinely seems to be going out of his way to ruin his career.

JaMarcusHustle · 27-12-2014 10:52pm

Josh Gordon's one-game suspension today could cost him millions. By being suspended for last game of season, Gordon will be active for only 5 games this season, falling one game short of what he needs for an accredited season. Thus, after next season, Gordon will be a restricted free agent, not the unrestricted free agent he was scheduled to be. In the NFL, a player needs to be active for six games to earn an accredited season. He needs to become an unrestricted free agent. Gordon was active for five games this season, due to his suspensions, and with this most recent one, will fall one game short of having this count as an accredited season toward free agency.

Have to say, I would not be one bit surprised if this suspension was over something trivial. Apparently he was late to the field for a walk through. Maybe I'm just a suspicious person, but when Jimmy Haslam is involved, I think Gordon has been screwed here - albeit partly due to his own stupidity.

HigginsJ · 27-12-2014 11:04pm

JaMarcusHustle wrote: »

Have to say, I would not be one bit surprised if this suspension was over something trivial. Apparently he was late to the field for a walk through. Maybe I'm just a suspicious person, but when Jimmy Haslam is involved, I think Gordon has been screwed here - albeit partly due to his own stupidity.

Yea it does have that feel of we are looking for an excuse, but Gordon gave it to them.

Tristram · 27-12-2014 11:21pm

Curious to see where this story goes. Think Gordon would be helped by a fresh start somewhere new.

JaMarcusHustle · 28-12-2014 5:08am

The worst kept secret in football is out. Harbaugh to Michigan is a done deal. Let the coaching carousel begin.

Realt Dearg Sec · 28-12-2014 5:12am

JaMarcusHustle wrote: »

The worst kept secret in football is out. Harbaugh to Michigan is a done deal. Let the coaching carousel begin.

****!!!!

mikemac1 · 28-12-2014 8:41am

I'm not going to post about Manziel, plenty of posts about him already. I see the Browns other 1st rounder Justin Gilbert got called out by his teammates and coach and he's been severely humbled. Our Browns fan here Silver Tiger was pretty unhappy with his play this season too

The Browns had two 1st rounders and I believe they have another two 1st rounders in 2015. What can a franchise do with this bounty? Robbed from another forum this list shows franchises with multiple 1st rounders since 1996

The Ravens 1996 draft looks good! Two Hall of Famers! :cool:

More recently the 2007 Niners, 2010 Seahawks and 2012 Patriots catch my eye. The Vikings had gotten a lot of praise though Patterson didn't feature much this season and our Vikings fan Hulk Hands says Mattt Kallil is regressing after a strong rookie season

2000 was a strange draft and the first and only time a team had four 1st rounders and these belonged to the Jets. It's also the only draft a kicker went in the 1st which of course was Janikowski to the Raiders

Arizona Cardinals
1999 - David Boston, LJ Shelton
2003 - Bryant Johnson, Calvin Pace

Atlanta Falcons
2004 - DeAngelo Hall, Michael Jenkins
2008 - Matt Ryan, Sam Baker

Baltimore Ravens
1996 - Jonathan Ogden, Ray Lewis
2000 - Jamal Lewis, Travis Taylor
2003 - Terrell Suggs, Kyle Boller

Buffalo Bills
2004 - Lee Evans, JP Losman
2006 - Donte Whitmer, John McCargo
2009 - Aaron Maybin, Eric Wood

Cincinnati Bengals
1998 - Takeo Spikes, Brian Simmons
2012 - Dre Kirkpatrick, Kevin Zeitler

Cleveland Browns
2007 - Joe Thomas, Brady Quinn
2012 - Trent Richardson, Brandon Weeden
2014 - Justin Gilbert, Johnny Manziel

Dallas Cowboys
2005 - DeMarcus Ware, Marcus Spears
2008 - Felix Jones, Mike Jenkins

Denver Broncos
2009 - Knowshon Moreno, Robert Ayers
2010 - Demaryius Thomas, Tim Tebow

Detroit Lions
1996 - Reggie Brown, Jeff Hartings
1999 - Chris Claiborne, Aaron Gibson
2004 - Roy Williams, Kevin Jones
2009 - Matthew Stafford, Brandon Pettigrew
2010 - Ndamukong Suh, Jahvid Best

Minnesota Vikings
1999 - Daunte Culpepper, Dimitrius Underwood
2005 - Troy WIlliamson, Erasmus James
2012 - Matt Kalil, Harrison Smith
2013 - Sharrif Floyd, Xavier Rhodes, Cordarrelle Patterson
2014 - Anthony Barr, Teddy Bridgewater

New England Patriots
1998 - Robert Edwards, Tebucky Jones
1999 - Damien Woody, Andy Katzenmoyer
2004 - Vince Wilfork, Benjamin Watson
2012 - Chandler Jones, Dont’a Hightower

New Orleans Saints
2002 - Donte Stallworth, Charles Grant
2011 - Cameron Jordan, Mark Ingram

New York Jets
2000 - Shaun Ellis, John Abraham, Chad Pennington, Anthony Brecht
2006 - D’Brickashaw Ferguson, Nick Mangold
2008 - Vernon Gholston, Dustin Keller
2013 - Dee Milliner, Sheldon Richardson

Oakland Raiders
1998 - Charles Woodson, Mo Collins
2002 - Phillip Buchanon, Napoleon Harris
2003 - Nnamdi Asomugha, Tyler Brayton

San Francisco 49ers
2000 - Julian Peterson, Ahmed Plummer
2006 - Vernon Davis, Manny Lawson
2007 - Patrick Willis, Joe Staley
2010 - Anthony Davis, Mike Iupati

Seattle Seahawks
2000 - Shaun Alexander, Chris McIntosh
2001 - Koren Robinson, Steve Hutchinson
2010 - Russell Okung, Earl Thomas

St. Louis Rams
1996 - Lawrence Phillips, Eddie Kennison
2001 - Damione Lewis, Adam Archuleta, Ryan Pickett
2013 - Tavon Austin, Alec Ogletree
2014 - Greg Robinson, Aaron Donald

Tampa Bay Buccaneers
1996 - Regan Upshaw, Marcus Jones
1997 - Warrick Dunn, Reidel Anthony
2012 - Mark Barron, Doug Martin

Washington Redskins
2000 - LaVar Arrington, Chris Samuels
2005 - Carlos Rogers, Jason Campbell

phatkev · 28-12-2014 5:01pm

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/12/28/report-manziels-friday-night-party-led-to-players-saturday-tardies/

Browns quarterback Johnny Manziel’s tardiness on Saturday morning was precipitated by a late night of partying on Friday.

you cant make this sh1t up, rumor is that Gordon attended too

Chucky the tree · 28-12-2014 5:05pm

Who'd have thought Manziel would turn out to be a big partier in the NFL?! :pac:

JaMarcusHustle · 28-12-2014 6:48pm

https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/549235638630092801

By Saturday morning, team security was sent to Manziel's apartment to try to find him, because he failed to show up for treatment on the hamstring, and he wasn't answering his phone, a source told cleveland.com on Saturday.

https://twitter.com/mikefreemannfl/status/549220988370821121

Full on dumpster-fire mode engaged.

Paully D · 28-12-2014 10:12pm

3 AFC North teams into the playoffs in 2014. Since 2002, this has happened 6 times.

NFC East did it twice in successive seasons (2006 and 2007), the AFC North did it in 2011 while the AFC East did it last year.

Billy86 · 29-12-2014 2:49pm

Rex Ryan and Idzik are today's first to fall...

Billy86 · 29-12-2014 4:22pm

Now Trestman and GM Emery in Chicago, and Mike Smith in Atlanta all gone.

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