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Tv Licence Inspectors going house to house

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  • #102
    keithclancy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,208 ✭✭✭keithclancy


    foggy_lad wrote: »
    any device that has a tuner capable of receiving the signal requires a licence to be held for the address where the device is used.

    If you remove the tuner from a tv then it is not broken and CAN'T be repaired because it is gone and your television is no longer a television! It becomes a monitor which is incapable of receiving the signal so no longer requires a licence, (You could then use your new monitor to watch streamed content without the need for a licence)

    But if you break the tuner then it is still possible to repair it and receive the signal so you still need a license.

    While your argument is sound, there is no certification program in place to ascertain if the tv is 'repairable' or 'disabled from receiving a tv signal'

    Similar to when VRT ing a commercial vehicle to see if its actually a commercial vehicle for tax purposes.

    So while you would be right, currently there is no way of proving that.


  • #103
    anewme
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,020 ✭✭✭✭anewme


    Mr Whirly wrote: »
    I'm calling bull**** on this. We have signed up for UPC and bought a new tv in the last two years and still get tv license letters addressed to "the occupant". I have shut the door on the inspector several times over this period. Surely if what you're saying is true we would have been done by now?

    Yep agree this is total bull and an urban legend. Friend of mine bought his first house in 1995 (18 years ago!!!!) and since then has NEVER had a tv licence. Said he does not believe in them!!! Moved house a couple of times and set up new accounts with Sky etc, still no hassle, so that put paid to the sky lists etc.

    FACT: they cant send a summons to the Occupier!

    Once they get your name once, though, you are done!

    Friend said he met the inspector one day coming out of his house and inspector was coming in to ring the bell. Friend said, I dont live there. Inspector says whats your name. Friend said, I'm not telling you, I dont live there. Inspector says, well who lives there. Friend said, I am not getting involved, you will have to come back and see them yourself. End of conversation. He said the feckers can be sneaky with the bins though and will watch out for labels and get a name from there and you are fubarred.

    I asked him does it bother him being a TV sponger, he shrugged and said he could live with it.


  • #104
    rubadub
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,382 ✭✭✭✭rubadub


    irish-stew wrote: »
    Yes. Doesn't have to be connected, it just has to have the capabilty of being used to watch TV.
    meoklmrk91 wrote: »
    I'm sorry but that is the height of retardation.
    What would be retarded is a law that allowed somebody to simply disconnect the coax from their TV if an inspector comes and just claim they are not connected.

    The whole situation is ridiculous, imagine being able to hide behind the curtain when the ESB came, or income tax man, and just never pay it.

    An post say 99% of households should be paying it, so why not just make them all pay, just include it in normal taxation, like a housebound person has to pay tax towards footpaths though they might not use them -the majority does. Its crazy to be squandering so much money trying to catch people, wasting court time, filling the TV time with ads telling you to pay, administration costs etc.

    uberalles wrote: »
    We avoided a licence for 10 years.
    Quandary wrote: »
    havent paid the TV licence for the last 5 years. We have gotten plenty reminders but have ignored them all, and so far, no consequences.
    There have been consequences, the license fees go up to cover the shortfall, this is part of the reason it is so high. You are in effect stealing from me and anybody else you pays your share. You are a thief, simple & plain.
    BizzyC wrote: »
    The fact that RTE line their pockets by collecting licence fees, while also selling advertising is ridiculous.
    They shouldn't be allowed to do both.
    If the ads were banned the fee would skyrocket even more. I prefer the ad option. I would prefer it to be an optional subscription service and be given the choice.
    keithclancy wrote: »
    While your argument is sound, there is no certification program in place to ascertain if the tv is 'repairable' or 'disabled from receiving a tv signal'
    This is what I was asking in another thread. I have a plasma which came with no tuner, but one be got and can easily plug into it. I wondered if ones like these are deemed "repairable".


  • #105
    foggy_lad
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,373 ✭✭✭✭foggy_lad


    keithclancy wrote: »
    While your argument is sound, there is no certification program in place to ascertain if the tv is 'repairable' or 'disabled from receiving a tv signal'

    Similar to when VRT ing a commercial vehicle to see if its actually a commercial vehicle for tax purposes.

    So while you would be right, currently there is no way of proving that.

    The inspector calls and requests you produce a licence, you tell them you don't require one as your "monitor" is not capable of receiving the signal as the tuner has been "removed". Inspector then arranges to inspect your equipment and is left satisfied that you don't have equipment capable of receiving the signal!

    The inspectors may have some training or background in televisions, tuners etc and would know by checking inside a tv if the tuner had been removed or just disabled.

    It is not the same as the VRT at all as once you state you don't own a television or device capable of receiving the signal it is then up to the authority to prove you are lying.


  • #106
    Pawwed Rig
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 22,407 CMod ✭✭✭✭Pawwed Rig


    rubadub wrote: »
    An post say 99% of households should be paying it, so why not just make them all pay, just include it in normal taxation, like a housebound person has to pay tax towards footpaths though they might not use them -the majority does. Its crazy to be squandering so much money trying to catch people, wasting court time, filling the TV time with ads telling you to pay, administration costs etc.

    So the government should provide for taxes to finance a private corporation? Can you not see where this might lead? You're right though. The whole situation is ridiculous. RTE should be cut off and left fend for itself. Newstalk and TV3 can survive just fine without TV licence money and I can't say I watch/listen to RTE anymore than the former.

    It would actually make more sense for RTE to merge with BBC and have a regional news like BBC Scotland but I am sure that idea would be a non starter


  • #107
    cookie1977
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,794 ✭✭✭cookie1977


    Personally I do not equate the quality of service TV3 provide with the quality of service RTE provide. One is a public broadcaster and the other is solely for profit and what ever the BAI force them to do as part of their licence.

    I for one would not want RTE to function as a "for profit" organisation. Neither would I see a merger with the bbc as being in the national interest.


  • #108
    Pawwed Rig
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 22,407 CMod ✭✭✭✭Pawwed Rig


    Well then let people like you pay an opt in licence fee and leave the rest of us in peace


  • #109
    cookie1977
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,794 ✭✭✭cookie1977


    Pawwed Rig wrote: »
    Well then let people like you pay an opt in licence fee and leave the rest of us in peace

    Fine with me. But until then how about everyone just pays their legally mandated taxes like me.


  • #110
    donalg1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,513 ✭✭✭donalg1


    Inspector in my area goes around with the postman that way he knows who lives where.


  • #111
    Pawwed Rig
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 22,407 CMod ✭✭✭✭Pawwed Rig


    cookie1977 wrote: »
    Fine with me. But until then how about everyone just pays their legally mandated taxes like me.


    I'll pass thanks

    not a tax btw. Licence
    donalg1 wrote: »
    Inspector in my area goes around with the postman that way he knows who lives where.

    That would be against the law


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  • #112
    donalg1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,513 ✭✭✭donalg1


    Pawwed Rig wrote: »
    cookie1977 wrote: »
    Fine with me. But until then how about everyone just pays their legally mandated taxes like me.


    I'll pass thanks

    not a tax btw. Licence
    donalg1 wrote: »
    Inspector in my area goes around with the postman that way he knows who lives where.

    That would be against the law

    Well that's what he does.


  • #113
    cookie1977
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,794 ✭✭✭cookie1977


    Pawwed Rig wrote: »
    I'll pass thanks

    not a tax btw. Licence

    When you've got no arguement that's usually the safest play to make.


  • #114
    allthedoyles
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,893 ✭✭✭allthedoyles


    Wheelie Bins are a give-away as well these days . - with the name and address on most bins -.

    I have read all 9 pages of this thread and nobody has mentioned if they got this leaflet in their letterbox .

    Was wondering if it is been delivered to all households .


  • #115
    colly10
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,009 ✭✭✭colly10


    uberalles wrote: »
    Good reason to buy your TV up norn iron so

    Or just have it delivered to your work address or the address of someone who has a licence.
    Living in an apartment, have no intention of ever getting one. 160 euro just to have a tv before you even get upc/sky is a joke, especially when you look at how they spend that money.

    Reduce the wages of the massively overpaid presenters and lower the licence fee, then i'd probably pay it


  • #116
    colly10
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,009 ✭✭✭colly10


    Pawwed Rig wrote: »
    But it isn't. All you need is proof of purchase?

    And I would find it hard to believe that the shop would be allowed to do this when you consider An Post are not allowed even use the name and address on the letters they deliver to your house for TV licence purposes.

    It probably wouldn't be reliable anyway, I get more letters through my letter box for other people than for people living in the 2 bed apartment. Going by the letters we recieve, about 20 people live here


  • #117
    MarkK
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 721 ✭✭✭MarkK


    colly10 wrote: »
    Reduce the wages of the massively overpaid presenters ... then i'd probably pay it

    While a Sky sports subscription goes towards supporting the likes of Wayne Rooney's hand to mouth existence.


  • #118
    colly10
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,009 ✭✭✭colly10


    MarkK wrote: »
    While a Sky sports subscription goes towards supporting the likes of Wayne Rooney's hand to mouth existence.

    True, but I can choose not to get the sports channels, or I can decide it's worth it and pay. If tubridy and kenny were pay per view they'd be out of jobs in the morning


  • #119
    delta36
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 921 ✭✭✭delta36


    allthedoyles wrote: »
    Wheelie Bins are a give-away as well these days . - with the name and address on most bins -.

    I have read all 9 pages of this thread and nobody has mentioned if they got this leaflet in their letterbox .

    Was wondering if it is been delivered to all households .

    lol, that was the original question the OP asked, wasn't it?

    I didn't get any in my letter box, though by an odd coincidence the day this thread was started was pretty much the time I needed to renew my licence.


  • #120
    Pawwed Rig
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    cookie1977 wrote: »
    When you've got no arguement that's usually the safest play to make.

    Read the thread if you want to see my argument. I am sure other posters do not want me repeating the same posts over and over again


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  • #121
    cookie1977
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,794 ✭✭✭cookie1977


    Pawwed Rig wrote: »
    Read the thread if you want to see my argument. I am sure other posters do not want me repeating the same posts over and over again

    It still boils down to the fact that if someone has a TV and doesn't pay the licence fee then they're breaking the law. There's lots of taxes and licence fees I dont agree with but I still pay them (although the TV licence isn't one of them I disagree with).

    Canvass your public representatives to get them to change the law, but in the mean time pay the fee.


  • #122
    Pawwed Rig
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 22,407 CMod ✭✭✭✭Pawwed Rig


    It is only a crime if a court decides it is a crime. Until then the onus is on An Post to 1) Find out my name and 2) Determine whether or not I have a TV in the house. When they ascertain both of these things I will contribute my portion of Pat Kenny's wages. Until then I will not.
    Show me any other country (other than Uk) where a private corporation is allowed to collect taxes under the threat of fines and imprisonment. It is an unjust charge for a below standard product.
    If I pay bin charges and am not happy with my provider I can switch, if I get Sky and am not happy I can switch to UPC etc etc

    RTE is the last of the government/private monopolies and the sooner it is brought down the better. What is there on RTE you admire so much? They don't fulfill their public interest mandate. All the hard talking shows (like Questions & Answers and Prime Time) are gone or a shadow of what they used to be. The evening slots are dominated by below standard presenters. The sports can be viewed elsewhere. The News is completely sanitised and if I want the real story I need to access a broad sheet or another (foreign) news channel. RTE is a creaking relic of a 1060's Ireland where people had 1 or 2 channels.


  • #123
    cookie1977
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,794 ✭✭✭cookie1977


    Pawwed Rig wrote: »
    It is only a crime if a court decides it is a crime. Until then the onus is on An Post to 1) Find out my name and 2) Determine whether or not I have a TV in the house. When they ascertain both of these things I will contribute my portion of Pat Kenny's wages. Until then I will not.
    Show me any other country (other than Uk) where a private corporation is allowed to collect taxes under the threat of fines and imprisonment. It is an unjust charge for a below standard product.
    If I pay bin charges and am not happy with my provider I can switch, if I get Sky and am not happy I can switch to UPC etc etc

    RTE is the last of the government/private monopolies and the sooner it is brought down the better. What is there on RTE you admire so much? They don't fulfill their public interest mandate. All the hard talking shows (like Questions & Answers and Prime Time) are gone or a shadow of what they used to be. The evening slots are dominated by below standard presenters. The sports can be viewed elsewhere. The News is completely sanitised and if I want the real story I need to access a broad sheet or another (foreign) news channel. RTE is a creaking relic of a 1060's Ireland where people had 1 or 2 channels.

    again...in your opinion.

    To be honest I think they do serve the public good. Yes I agree that maybe they pay some of their stars too much but overall they provide a decent public service. A hell of a lot better then most of the "for profit" organisations.
    I for one would not like the US model which is what you seem to favour. No?


  • #124
    Pawwed Rig
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 22,407 CMod ✭✭✭✭Pawwed Rig


    For example...........


  • #125
    cookie1977
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,794 ✭✭✭cookie1977


    Pawwed Rig wrote: »
    For example...........

    Look if all we have is private TV organisations like TV3 then we could end up getting our news based on their owners political persuasions ala the USA where the three main networks are privately owned and PBS has to do a lot to fundraise. We're a big country with a small population (in proportion) and look at how our print and radio media is dominated by only a few players. You will disagree but I prefer the current status quo to a complete over hall where RTE must fend for themselves. It's not perfect but no system is.


  • #126
    Pawwed Rig
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 22,407 CMod ✭✭✭✭Pawwed Rig


    That would be fine if RTE actually gave a different point of view to the other media outlets, however their news reporting is always pro establishment and never really questions the fundamentals which (although I am not a fan) Vincent Browne does on TV3. For example the Brian Dobson interviews with Bertie Aherne were a disgrace. Also as the national broadcaster they should have been warning people about the crisis coming but instead we got Pat Kenny on frontline asking nice little questions not making the guests too uncomfortable.

    1 example even?


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  • #127
    cookie1977
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,794 ✭✭✭cookie1977


    Pawwed Rig wrote: »
    That would be fine if RTE actually gave a different point of view to the other media outlets, however their news reporting is always pro establishment and never really questions the fundamentals which (although I am not a fan) Vincent Browne does on TV3. For example the Brian Dobson interviews with Bertie Aherne were a disgrace. Also as the national broadcaster they should have been warning people about the crisis coming but instead we got Pat Kenny on frontline asking nice little questions not making the guests too uncomfortable.

    1 example even?

    Pro establishment? Whenever they've screwed up (as any news organisation can) the "establishment" you say they support end up gunning for them. Funny how the establishment heads did not roll when they faced similar screw ups. On the crisis did you not here George Lee warning for years?

    Good article here too: http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/finance/2012/0830/1224323261440.html


  • #128
    Pawwed Rig
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 22,407 CMod ✭✭✭✭Pawwed Rig


    Not sure what point you are trying to make with that article. It seems like a good argument for closing down RTE 2.
    “RTÉ Two is a pure entertainment channel – it is our direct competitor in TV3,” he noted, arguing that this loss-making competitor “destroys the market”, and threatens to undermine TV3, which would be “absolutely flying” in any other European market.
    Here, TV3 turns a profit but, along the way, there have been compulsory redundancies, pay cuts and an effective €81 million write-off on a loan from the Irish Bank Resolution Corporation – or what McRedmond references as “the pragmatic view” of its lenders. For TV3’s venture capitalist owners Doughty Hanson, regulatory reform is a dish best served immediately.


    Compare the amount of airtime they gave the naysayers compared to to the FF/FG establishment.


    1 example???


  • #129
    cookie1977
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,794 ✭✭✭cookie1977


    1 eaxmplae of what. Selectively quoting sections of the article from a competitors point of view don't really support your arguements.


  • #130
    cookie1977
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,794 ✭✭✭cookie1977


    I've heard more of sinn fein on both the TV and radio then I ever have before. Why because they're a large opposition now. We're not going to agree on this but it still boils down to the fact that if you have a tv that can receive a signal and don't pay the licence fee you're robbing from the rest of us that do (as mentioned previously). Your position would receive more support from within then outside.


  • #131
    Pawwed Rig
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 22,407 CMod ✭✭✭✭Pawwed Rig


    cookie1977 wrote: »
    1 eaxmplae of what.

    Of where they serve the public good.
    cookie1977 wrote: »
    Selectively quoting sections of the article from a competitors point of view don't really support your arguments.

    I read the whole article and it seems to come down in favour of getting rid of RTE 2 citing over runs on expenditure and heavy losses, stunting competition etc etc. You posted the article but it seems to go against your point completely???

    Using emotive phrases like "robbing the rest of us" is easy to do but it is a fee I don't agree with for the reasons I listed. And it is not a tax as you keep saying, it is a licence fee which is completely outdated and irrelevant in a modern communications environment.

    I have no problem with you paying the charge as you are getting a service you feel is worth the money (with zero examples to date as to why). So why would you have an issue with me NOT paying for a service which I do not want to receive (and don't receive).
    cookie1977 wrote: »
    Fine with me. But until then how about everyone just pays their legally mandated taxes like me.

    I do pay my taxes. All of them, including the ones many don't pay and tbh there are few people in this state if really investigated would be found to be wholly tax compliant when considering the subjective nature of many issues in tax legislation, I am thinking here of declaration of gifts received, the money in the hand that many have gotten at one time or the other, the people who bought houses during the boom who declared a certain price but actually paid a different price. TV licence is NOT a tax in that it has nothing to do with Revenue. It is a charge by a private corporation given mandate by govt.


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  • #132
    cookie1977
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,794 ✭✭✭cookie1977


    Pawwed Rig wrote: »
    Of where they serve the public good.


    http://www.rte.ie/news/2012/0110/rafterym1.html
    Pawwed Rig wrote: »
    I read the whole article and it seems to come down in favour of getting rid of RTE 2 citing over runs on expenditure and heavy losses, stunting competition etc etc. You posted the article but it seems to go against your point completely???

    I dont believe it does as all those that are calling for RTE 2 to close is their direct competition. Of course, a reliable source.
    Pawwed Rig wrote: »
    Using emotive phrases like "robbing the rest of us" is easy to do but it is a fee I don't agree with for the reasons I listed. And it is not a tax as you keep saying, it is a licence fee which is completely outdated and irrelevant in a modern communications environment.
    It's not an "optional" licence fee if you have a TV that receives a signal. So those that dont pay it and are supposed to are stealing from the state which includes me.
    Pawwed Rig wrote: »
    I have no problem with you paying the charge as you are getting a service you feel is worth the money (with zero examples to date as to why). So why would you have an issue with me NOT paying for a service which I do not want to receive (and don't receive).
    I wish we could all opt out of what we're supposed to pay like some do. As I said if people dont like it pay it in the mean time and then they should fight for what they want until they get it. Otherwise it's just plain wrong. Others are subsidising those that dont pay, unfairly so.

    Pawwed Rig wrote: »
    I do pay my taxes. All of them, including the ones many don't pay and tbh there are few people in this state if really investigated would be found to be wholly tax compliant when considering the subjective nature of many issues in tax legislation, I am thinking here of declaration of gifts received, the money in the hand that many have gotten at one time or the other, the people who bought houses during the boom who declared a certain price but actually paid a different price. TV licence is NOT a tax in that it has nothing to do with Revenue. It is a charge by a private corporation given mandate by govt.

    Did I say you dont pay your taxes? The state uses An Post to collect the licence fee. Neither the state, An Post nor RTE are private corporations.


  • #133
    Pawwed Rig
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 22,407 CMod ✭✭✭✭Pawwed Rig


    cookie1977 wrote: »
    http://www.rte.ie/news/2012/0110/rafterym1.html

    Thank you. Yes that was once instance where they did something decent. Surely they should be doing this on an ongoing basis. Where are the current affairs programmes, consumer rights programmes, the political analysis etc etc. We see all of these on the BBC
    cookie1977 wrote: »
    I dont believe it does as all those that are calling for RTE 2 to close is their direct competition. Of course, a reliable source.
    Irish Times is a reliable source (generally anyway). The printed facts

    Some €31.21 out of each licence fee paid goes on RTÉ Two – it costs more than all of RTÉ’s radio services put together. It accounts for 24 per cent of RTÉ’s share of the licence fee, receiving €43.7 million last year.
    However, it spends almost €63 million on making programmes, with outlays including €11.4 million on imports and €10.1 million on transmission costing a further €25.2 million.
    This results in a deficit on its public service activities of €44.5 million. But with just a commercial contribution of €26.9 million, the channel wound up with a net deficit of €17.6 million last year, making it the single largest reason that the broadcaster recorded an overall net deficit of €16.8 million.

    This is the author writing. Not TV3's opinion. I would say it is not a great article but it is your source.
    cookie1977 wrote: »
    It's not an "optional" licence fee if you have a TV that receives a signal. So those that dont pay it and are supposed to are stealing from the state which includes me.
    That is a contradictory statement. It is not optional IF you have a TV that receives a signal. So it is optional IF I do not have a TV that receives a signal. Or in my case until An Post inform me (by name) that I need to pay this. I am under no obligation to read letters that are not addressed to me.

    cookie1977 wrote: »
    I wish we could all opt out of what we're supposed to pay like some do.
    You can. Don't pay and accept the consequences like I am doing.
    cookie1977 wrote: »
    As I said if people dont like it pay it in the mean time and then they should fight for what they want until they get it. Otherwise it's just plain wrong. Others are subsidising those that dont pay, unfairly so.
    In your opinion. You want me to subsidise RTE for you to watch? And you talk about it being unfair?
    cookie1977 wrote: »
    Did I say you dont pay your taxes? The state uses An Post to collect the licence fee. Neither the state, An Post nor RTE are private corporations.
    Both semi State in that the employees are not civil servants. You keep talking about licence fee as a tax and saying those that don't pay are breaking the law so Yes you did say I don't pay my taxes.


  • #134
    cookie1977
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,794 ✭✭✭cookie1977


    This is getting pointless. Final thoughts. If you have a TV you have to pay the licence. If you dont you're breaking the law. In your case you choose to plead ignorant and that's your prerogative and what ever happens will happen. Maybe you'll be caught maybe you wont but it still means you're breaking the law. Your arguments are very weak on this whole topic. You continually point to semantics while avoiding the glaringly obvious problems with your views. You asked for one example I gave it to you. If I gave you another 20 (which to be honest I could) you'd have lots of fun nitpicking. There's absolutely nothing I could say that you would acknowledge as right. But you did ask for a consumer show, well surprise surprise RTE have one:

    http://www.rte.ie/tv/theconsumershow/index.html


  • #135
    foggy_lad
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,373 ✭✭✭✭foggy_lad


    I will take and accept rte2 and their expensive schedule any day over the absolute sh1te that passes for broadcasting on tv3!

    How do they get away with stuff like that awful Irish psychics live show or the other phone-in gambling programs they used to show? We're they not slapped down recently because that psychics show was breaking the broadcasting rules, discussing people's health and other breaches?


  • #136
    Pawwed Rig
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 22,407 CMod ✭✭✭✭Pawwed Rig


    cookie1977 wrote: »
    This is getting pointless. Final thoughts. If you have a TV you have to pay the licence. If you dont you're breaking the law. In your case you choose to plead ignorant and that's your prerogative and what ever happens will happen. Maybe you'll be caught maybe you wont but it still means you're breaking the law. Your arguments are very weak on this whole topic. You continually point to semantics while avoiding the glaringly obvious problems with your views. You asked for one example I gave it to you. If I gave you another 20 (which to be honest I could) you'd have lots of fun nitpicking. There's absolutely nothing I could say that you would acknowledge as right. But you did ask for a consumer show, well surprise surprise RTE have one:

    http://www.rte.ie/tv/theconsumershow/index.html

    1) I never plead ignorant
    2) I said I will pay it when An Post ask for it.
    3) I have made arguments on this topic which you ignored whereas I addressed all of your arguments.
    4) I thanked you for your 1 example. (I had to ask 4 times for this 1 example from 2009)
    5) And I am aware of that consumer show which has the following feedback
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056551060


  • #137
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    A TV licence inspector was out here earlier (Fairview) - they left a calling card for two of the apartments in the building. So it seems they're around, though I didn't get the leaflet mentioned in the OP.


  • #138
    yosser hughes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,905 ✭✭✭yosser hughes


    Karsini wrote: »
    A TV licence inspector was out here earlier (Fairview) - they left a calling card for two of the apartments in the building. So it seems they're around, though I didn't get the leaflet mentioned in the OP.

    These leaflets were in all the letterboxes of my apartment building this morning.
    Kilmainham area.
    What's the point in warning people you're coming?


  • #139
    Pawwed Rig
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 22,407 CMod ✭✭✭✭Pawwed Rig


    yosser hughes wrote: »
    These leaflets were in all the letterboxes of my apartment building this morning.
    Kilmainham area.
    What's the point in warning people you're coming?

    It is a campaign of harrassment similar to what is done in UK (look up youtube). They will keep calling and leaving letters getting progressively more threatening.
    When An Post got their licence to continue the collection of the TV licence money renewed it was on condition that they reduce the non compliance rate by 1% per annum (it is currently running at circa 12% nationally). To reduce this non compliance rate requires greater enforcement and a much more aggressive approach to collection.


  • #140
    cookie1977
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,794 ✭✭✭cookie1977


    Pawwed Rig wrote: »
    It is a campaign of harrassment similar to what is done in UK (look up youtube). They will keep calling and leaving letters getting progressively more threatening.
    When An Post got their licence to continue the collection of the TV licence money renewed it was on condition that they reduce the non compliance rate by 1% per annum (it is currently running at circa 12% nationally). To reduce this non compliance rate requires greater enforcement and a much more aggressive approach to collection.

    How is it a campaign of harassment? If you've a TV and a TV licence you're are compliant with the law. If you dont you are not compliant with the law. Period.

    You're posts are beginning to sound a little crazy.


  • #141
    cookie1977
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,794 ✭✭✭cookie1977


    I for one applaud the efforts of the Government via An Post to collect what's owed to them. Why should I have to pay higher TV licence fees because of people like you deciding what laws you abide by and what ones you choose to ignore? If you pay your TV licence and the law requires there's no "harassment" (your words not mine).

    As I said before, if you paid the licence and moaned about it I could probably agree with a some of your points but plain and simple you are breaking the law. You can spin it what ever way you like to make yourself more comfortable with the decision but it doesn't matter. You're still breaking the law.


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  • #142
    Pawwed Rig
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 22,407 CMod ✭✭✭✭Pawwed Rig


    Not really. Did you check out the youtube clips I suggested? An Post have to reduce non compliance by 1% per annum. To do this they need to be more aggressive with people who are not complying whether that be notes, knocking on doors, letter threatening court, snooping around houses. How else can they reduce the non compliance?

    We get it. You are happy to pay the licence and think everyone should. I accept your point but do not agree with it. I believe people should stand up where they see injustice whether that be the household charge, bin charges or whatever new charges will be on us after the budget. Maybe you think people who stand up for themselves are crazy whereas I see it as a matter of principle.


  • #143
    Lantus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,027 ✭✭✭Lantus


    160 per year to keep 1,900 people in full time employment. Some of them incredibly well paid indeed. Its more like a union that provides some light entertainment when you think about it.


  • #144
    cookie1977
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,794 ✭✭✭cookie1977


    Pawwed Rig wrote: »
    Not really. Did you check out the youtube clips I suggested? An Post have to reduce non compliance by 1% per annum. To do this they need to be more aggressive with people who are not complying whether that be notes, knocking on doors, letter threatening court, snooping around houses. How else can they reduce the non compliance?

    We get it. You are happy to pay the licence and think everyone should. I accept your point but do not agree with it. I believe people should stand up where they see injustice whether that be the household charge, bin charges or whatever new charges will be on us after the budget. Maybe you think people who stand up for themselves are crazy whereas I see it as a matter of principle.

    If the people obeyed the law there would be no harrassment.

    No I dont people who stand up for themselves are crazy at all. I disagree with lots of things but I feel that while they are law they should be obeyed and that by working from within the law you may convince more people of the wrongs of what ever the issue is and thus get it over turned. But how can you convince people a law is bad by not obeying it. You'll always get opposing views on things. Just look at the household charge. You mention bin charges which are another divisive issue.

    If we all stop paying for things we just disagree with then we'll never get out of this rut.

    I actually agree with the tv licence law and think it's actually value for money. Ok I think RTE do pay a lot of money to some of their staff (Stars) but overall it's not the worst law out there.


  • #145
    trumi
    Registered Users Posts: 6 ✭trumi


    quick question:

    I don't have TV. I have and use Radio. Should I pay TV license?


  • #146
    foggy_lad
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,373 ✭✭✭✭foggy_lad


    trumi wrote: »
    quick question:

    I don't have TV. I have and use Radio. Should I pay TV license?
    No, there was a time that radios had to be licenced and there was a different rate for colour and monochrome television sets but afaik the requirement to have radios licenced was dropped the last time the leglislation was updated.


  • #147
    charlemont
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,725 ✭✭✭charlemont


    shane. wrote: »
    just pay the bloody licence fee................


    no never


  • #148
    syklops
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,966 ✭✭✭✭syklops


    foggy_lad wrote: »
    No, there was a time that radios had to be licenced and there was a different rate for colour and monochrome television sets but afaik the requirement to have radios licenced was dropped the last time the leglislation was updated.

    The last time my dad went down to get the dog license, he asked them could he pay less as it was a black and white dog. It didnt go down too well.


  • #149
    Pkiernan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,310 ✭✭✭Pkiernan


    They stopped coming round here for some reason...

    kingo7.jpg


  • #150
    monkeysnapper
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,576 ✭✭✭monkeysnapper


    At my work I was told by law everyone has to fill in the form when buying a tv, NOW... I was also told their name can be bloody mickey mouse , that's not our job to fight it over with customer, ...


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  • #151
    Quandary
    Registered Users Posts: 5,343 ✭✭✭Quandary


    Had another visit from the TV licence inspector a knock knocking on my door. Once again, refusing to answer the door has defeated him

    Living in an apartment has some advantages!

    By not answering the door over the last 5 years, we have saved between 800 and 900 Euros!

    Not by the hairs on my chinny chin chin Mr TV licence inspector, not by the hairs on my chinny chin fcuking chin :)


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