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Palestine recognised by the UN General Assembly

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    #92
    CruelCoin
    Registered Users Posts: 4,468 ✭✭✭CruelCoin


    steddyeddy wrote: »
    What did America say/do anybody?

    Cut off all US funding of the Unesco program.

    As the US is the main financier of the program, this is a big hit for the organisation.

    Classic "throwing the toys out of the cot" scenario.


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    #93
    Seaneh
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 18,300 ✭✭✭✭Seaneh


    czx wrote: »
    The US withholding aid to Palestine?

    They give a lot of money to Palestine, yes.


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    #94
    GalwayGuy2
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    The main reason that eastern european countries are toing the line is because they are more vunerable to US pressure than established EU countries.

    Russia has no power in Eastern Europe?


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    #95
    magma69
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    "The general assembly can resemble the theatre of the absurd, which once a year, automatically approves ludicrous, anti-Israeli resolutions. Sometimes these are supported by Europe, sometimes they are not," he said.

    Mark Regev said that. It sums up how out of touch the Israeli administration is.
    "If I have to choose between the US, Israel's biggest ally which morally stands above all other nations, and the 138 other countries, I will always choose the United States," said deputy foreign minister, Danny Ayalon.

    Morally stands above all other nations? Lol. It's because AIPAC, being the most powerful lobby group in America, tell the U.S government to give endless amounts financial and political support to Israel.


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    #96
    Higher
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    OurLadyofKnock wrote: »
    I was talking about Eastern Europe. You often hear monkey chants when teams with black players go there in European matches. Saw it myself when Shels were playing Staeua Bucarest. The entire stadium was doing it.

    They would consider moslems racially inferior to Israelis. Thats just how they are there. Not to mention the millions of catholic headbangers in Poland who see Islam as a heretical religion.

    It's very backward there. Go there and see for yourself. Skinheads all over these countries.

    You can't judge eastern europe on football games.

    The far right have specifically targeted football games to recruit hence why you see racism at the football games but its 100% not a fair reflection on the population's stance. It's not unlike what the British nationalists did in football in the 80s and early 90s. Remember Ireland v England in Landsdown Road?

    Also skinheads does not equal neo-nazi. Its just a popular style in eastern europe amongst young males.

    Some amount of generalizations made on the basis of going to a football game and seeing people with short hair cuts.


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    #97
    Mal-Adjusted
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    so, was the vote to recognize the borders as they stand at the moment or as they were drawn up when the land was partitioned way-back-when, or some undetermined time in between?
    i.e. any of these bad boys. http://shalompaxsalaam.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/israels-expanding-control-over-palestinian-land.jpg

    (apologies if the maps are wrong. i googled it and just used the first decent sized one i saw)


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    #98
    jonsnow
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    GalwayGuy2 wrote: »
    Russia has no power in Eastern Europe?

    Yeah russia has power.There are russian speaking minorities,they can cut off the gas pipeline they are a huge neighbor with historic overlordship and massive current influence.In fact one of the main reasons why the US can squeeze the eastern European countries is that they need the US to act as a counterweight to russian bullying.

    Yes the Russians voted yes (and its pretty bad when putin is the one making the morally correct choice) but I cant imagine its something the russian govt. really cares too much about. Certainly cant see them twisting arms to get countries to vote for it. They will expend there influence on something they care about.


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    #99
    Rhys Essien
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    steddyeddy wrote: »
    What did America say/do anybody?


    Susan Rice (USA) response to the Yes to Palestine vote result.


    http://www.c-spanvideo.org/program/SusanRi


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    #100
    WoollyRedHat
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    Following the vote, and following on from Americas Behaviour, Israels behaviour and U.K behaviour, they have all shown themselves to be morally corrupt, if they weren't that a long time ago already.
    America displayed a complete lack of disrepect and disreguard for democracy, on which it was founded upon, by threatening Palenstine via fianancial punishements in the days leading up to the vote, to stop them from pressing ahead with it. That is despicable. Israel contiunue to undermine anything which the U.N passes, despite a huge backing, when it comes to Palestine. They should just withrdraw from the U.N already.
    This quote, taken from the Guardian, is telling

    "The US, Israel and Britain wanted the Palestinians to give explicit pledges they would not seek to join the ICC any time soon "

    These, the leaders of the free world, advocaters of democracy and justice, were afraid of Palestine going to the International Criminal Court. They are against Palestine having a fair trial, they are afraid.
    It's a sham...


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    #101
    Rhys Essien
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    Another video here from yesterday.Ron Prosor,Israeli Ambassador to the UN.Just listen to some of the things he comes out with,that Israeli have a 4000 year bond on the land and that according to King David,Jerusalem must be for Jews only.:eek:

    Deluded beyond belief.

    http://www.c-spanvideo.org/program/301797-102


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    #102
    Our man in Havana
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    Does it matter at all as Israel will simply nuke them out of it?


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    #103
    Mal-Adjusted
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    Our man in Havana wrote: »
    Does it matter at all as Israel will simply nuke them out of it?

    don't be ridiculous. how will they build settlements with all the fallout?


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    #104
    My name is URL
    Registered Users Posts: 25,067 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    Israel has announced its intent today to build a further 3,000 settlements in East Jerusalem
    As the United Nations General Assembly voted overwhelmingly to upgrade the Palestinians’ status Thursday night, Israel took steps toward building housing in a controversial area of East Jerusalem known as E1, where Jewish settlements have long been seen as the death knell for a two-state solution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

    A senior Israeli official, speaking on the condition of anonymity, said on Friday that the decision was made late Thursday night to move forward on “preliminary zoning and planning preparations” for housing units in E1, which would connect the large settlement of Maale Adumim to Jerusalem and therefore make it impossible to connect the Palestinian cities of Ramallah and Bethlehem to Palestinian neighborhoods of East Jerusalem. Israel also authorized the construction of 3,000 housing units in other parts of East Jerusalem and the West Bank, the official said.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/01/world/middleeast/israel-moves-to-expand-settlements-in-east-jerusalem.html?_r=0

    What a bunch of absolute dirty scumbags


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    #105
    Rhys Essien
    Registered Users Posts: 3,029 ✭✭✭Rhys Essien


    My name is URL wrote: »
    Israel has announced its intent today to build a further 3,000 settlements in East Jerusalem



    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/01/world/middleeast/israel-moves-to-expand-settlements-in-east-jerusalem.html?_r=0

    What a bunch of absolute dirty scumbags


    Could you expect anything less from them.:mad:

    Palestine will have to fastrack things with the ICC.


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    #106
    phoenix999
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    Our man in Havana wrote: »
    I think Israel will have the last laugh.

    Last laugh is right. Israel today announced it is building 3,000 new housing units in the West Bank

    http://m.eircom.net/news/article/?type=breaking&storyid=20874358


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    #107
    RandomName2
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    My name is URL wrote: »
    Israel has announced its intent today to build a further 3,000 settlements in East Jerusalem


    What a bunch of absolute dirty scumbags

    Obviously they consider building settlements the main way in which to grab more land. Of course, the foundation of Israel often consisted of defending isolated settlements which the Arabs attempted to obliterate.

    Today there is no legitimate reason for the Israelis to build settlements in land that isn't theirs, and in fact, this policy invites attacks on these Israeli settlers. Far from the defensive measures taken in the foundation of Israeli, the Israeli response today will be the extension of the Wall and security cordon as a justified means to protect such civilians. Then new settlements are built beyond the security cordon and the cycle continues.

    I didn't see anybody clapping when all Israeli settlements were removed by the government from the Gaza Strip though. Nor has it stopped rocket attacks from the Gaza Strip on the rest of Israel.


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    #108
    snubbleste
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    European countries such as UK, France, Sweden, Denmark and Spain summon their ambassadors for explanations regarding this new settlement expansion.
    Why isn't Ireland doing the same?

    Given the fact we have the EU presidency next month, I think it's important that we voice our grave concerns regarding this development.


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    #109
    pickarooney
    Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 35,182 Mod ✭✭✭✭pickarooney


    Is there anything to be said for building a few polders?


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