'China says aircraft carrier to be used for research and training'

BlaasForRafa wrote: »

Kamov I think you mean Klimov used to make aircraft engines.

Thanks Rafa
I had Klimov on the brain from an earlier article on MiGs!
Good catch.

This article tops off chinas aircraft carrier programme. COPY RUSSIA IS THE NAME OF THE GAME
Russia refuses to sell arresters for Chinese aircraft carrier
Construction of the first Chinese aircraft carrier faced new unanticipated problems; it turned out that the former Soviet carrier Varyag was not equipped with arresters, and it is unclear where China could get them. In 2007 news agency Kanwa exclusively reported from St. Petersburg that China would buy 4 arresters designed by Marine Engineering Research Institute and made by Proletarsky Zavod plant which produces all Russian arresters and arresting hooks. Earlier on, China had contacts with this plant purchasing constituent parts for Project 956E/EM destroyers.
Kanwa reported referring to a source in the plant that the Chinese had visited it many times and declared intentions to purchase at least 4 arresters (the source used the term "purchase"). The talks took place in the office of Rosoboronexport; negotiators of Proletarsky Zavod presented their production, and the Chinese requested for technical information.
In 2011 the authoritative source told to Kanwa reporter that the negotiations were facing unexpected problems – Russian defense industry's authorities had decided not to sell arresters for China.
According to the source, China managed to get arresting hooks from Ukraine instead of buying them directly from Marine Engineering Research Institute and Proletarsky Zavod plant; those arresters were suitable for operational training aircraft JL-9 and "copied" J-15.
What made Russia refuse to sell arresters to China in the very nick of time? Kanwa repeatedly asked Russian defense and foreign ministries about China's purchase of Russian aircraft carrier construction technology. Official reply was the same: "it is prohibited to export strategic armament systems to China. Aircraft carriers, nuclear-powered submarines, nuclear weapons production technologies – all that are strategic arms".
However, Kanwa inquired into the subject and it became apparent that real cause of the problem is not only "the ban on strategic arms exports to China" but Russia's discontent with China copying deck-based fighter Su-33. Take note, Marine Engineering Research Institute delivered two arresters for Indian aircraft carrier IAC and modernized Admiral Gorshkov. The institute also took part in construction of naval aviation training center built on Goa, India.
In 2007 the source told to Kanwa that designing and production of arresters was quite complicated process and only Russia and the US had appropriate technology at the moment. "In the past, there used to be four arresters on an aircraft carrier, but the new Indian carrier is equipped with only three arresters, which indicates of high reliability of Russian systems".

At least the Indians have experience of operating Aircraft Carriers...

johngalway wrote: »

This from CNN:

http://edition.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/asiapcf/08/10/china.aircraft.carrier/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

One question, what is that in the water on the outside of the carrier? It's a boom or net of some kind?

cool video thanks !
you can really see the chinese are putting serious money into their miltary , new bases , with old versions of planes at the entrance.
fascinating stuff/

I wonder will this plane become a familiar sight over the midland skies when the Chinese build their military base in Athlone, cunningly disguised as a business park.

Apparently the boss of Shenyang Aircraft Corporation and head of the J15 project died while on board watching the trials.

From here.

It has emerged that the scientist who has pioneered China's aircraft carrier and jet aircraft technology died of a heart attack at the weekend as he watched the country's first successful landing at sea.
Luo Yuan, who was 51, was chairman and president of the Shenyang Aircraft Company and in charge of China's fighter-jet programme. He was on board China's first aircraft carrier, the Liaoning, to watch a series of successful test landings when he suffered the heart attack.
News of his death was the headline story on state television on Monday, a demonstration both of the importance of the aircraft carrier programme and the significance of his loss.
The successful landing was revealed on Sunday morning with the release of footage by state media.
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savagecabbages wrote: »

I read the Chinese aircraft (and the Russian) can take off with full loads but there's very little evidence of either doing so with anything more than a few small air to air missiles attached...

Yes, but with the Russians the SU-33 is primarily an air defence fighter so in reality it doesn't need much more than air to air though. Also, the takeoff role normally begins a good distance up the flight deck, but I'd say if they needed to they would just use the full length.



The Russians carried the SU-25UTG for ground attack missions, though it remains to be seen if the Chinese are going to use the J15 for multiple roles.