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The mark of the beast

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  • #52
    Run_to_da_hills
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,009 ✭✭✭✭Run_to_da_hills


    humanji wrote: »
    How do you know that it's not literal and that the mark of the beast is a symbolic metaphor?
    One cannot buy or sell without it, I would take it as literal.
    humanji wrote: »
    How can these things be so selective? Isn't the beast the anti-christ?
    I take the "Beast" as a system of Government that is totally opposed to God.


  • #53
    DTrotter
    Closed Accounts Posts: 232 ✭✭DTrotter


    Run_to_da_hills wrote: »
    One cannot buy or sell without it, I would take it as literal.

    I take the "Beast" as a system of Government that is totally opposed to God.

    Agreed, we should move to Saudi Arabia or Iran.


  • #54
    Run_to_da_hills
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,009 ✭✭✭✭Run_to_da_hills


    DTrotter wrote: »
    Agreed, we should move to Saudi Arabia or Iran.
    Saudi or Iran would be like a garden party compared to this up and coming totalitarian "system". All your electronic purchase and movement will be recorded digitally and will also pin point your location on this planet. Dare fall out of line and you will be totally isolated from society, you will not be able to get a job, collect benefit, travel or make commercial transactions or do anything that requires you to swipe your globally accepted ID card. Already people entering the US and UK are being questioned by the authorities over minor offenses commited in foreign countries when they touch their chipped passports. These police records have now been shared across the globe and it will only get worse..


  • #55
    humanji
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,976 ✭✭✭✭humanji


    Run_to_da_hills wrote: »
    One cannot buy or sell without it, I would take it as literal.

    I take the "Beast" as a system of Government that is totally opposed to God.
    It could be mean that buying and selling is the way of Satan and we should all give freely to others. It can be interpreted in thousands of ways, depending on what you want it to mean.


  • #56
    Run_to_da_hills
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,009 ✭✭✭✭Run_to_da_hills


    humanji wrote: »
    It could be mean that buying and selling is the way of Satan and we should all give freely to others. It can be interpreted in thousands of ways, depending on what you want it to mean.
    The Bible warns of tattoos or any type of cuttings in the flesh,"Ye shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor print any marks upon you: I am the LORD". Leviticus 19:28

    I presume this would also include branded marks and surgical implants. I believe there may be a return to some kind of a barter system, but it can only go so far with it and would be only good for those living in self sufficient communes.


  • #57
    King Mob
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,323 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    Run_to_da_hills wrote: »
    The Bible warns of tattoos or any type of cuttings in the flesh,"Ye shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor print any marks upon you: I am the LORD". Leviticus 19:28

    I presume this would also include branded marks and surgical implants. I believe there may be a return to some kind of a barter system, but it can only go so far with it and would be only good for those living in self sufficient communes.
    You mean the same Leviticus that tells you to stone people for minor offenses?

    You've yet to explain how your interpretation is any more likely than the thousands of ones that have failed.


  • #58
    GhostInTheRuins
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,965 ✭✭✭GhostInTheRuins


    Run_to_da_hills wrote: »
    I take the "Beast" as a system of Government that is totally opposed to God.

    You should be okay here in that case, considering our constitution is riddled with references to god and jesus.


  • #59
    Run_to_da_hills
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,009 ✭✭✭✭Run_to_da_hills


    King Mob wrote: »
    You mean the same Leviticus that tells you to stone people for minor offenses?

    You've yet to explain how your interpretation is any more likely than the thousands of ones that have failed.

    If you had some understanding of the Bible, much of the old testament was fulfilled by the new along with some of these old laws. I would still be very cautious about receiving any sort of mandatory brand or incision.


  • #60
    King Mob
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    Run_to_da_hills wrote: »
    If you had some understanding of the Bible, much of the old testament was fulfilled by the new along with some of these old laws. I would still be very cautious about receiving any sort of mandatory brand or incision.

    And ignoring the important part I see.

    How is your prediction any different to the thousands of failed ones?


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  • #61
    Run_to_da_hills
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,009 ✭✭✭✭Run_to_da_hills


    King Mob wrote: »

    How is your prediction any different to the thousands of failed ones?

    What failed ones :confused:


  • #62
    King Mob
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    Run_to_da_hills wrote: »
    What failed ones :confused:

    http://www.abhota.info/end1.htm

    These ones for a start.

    Could you point out a single correct prediction from the bible?


  • #63
    Run_to_da_hills
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,009 ✭✭✭✭Run_to_da_hills


    King Mob wrote: »
    http://www.abhota.info/end1.htm

    These ones for a start.

    Could you point out a single correct prediction from the bible?
    There are no dates mentioned in Revelation for the "end of the world" or any other major event such as the tribulation, people have been mistakingly placing dates, they being incorrect, not the Bible. However Scripture gives us guidelines of what to look out for before the tribulation and return of Christ.


  • #64
    King Mob
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    Run_to_da_hills wrote: »
    There are no dates mentioned in Revelation for the "end of the world" or any other major event such as the tribulation, people have been mistakingly placing dates, they being incorrect, not the Bible. However Scripture gives us guidelines of what to look out for before the tribulation and return of Christ.

    Ah so you don't actually predict anything at all. Very convient.

    Can you show a single other sign or is your interpretation about the mark of the beast being RFID chips.

    But how come the seven head dragon has to be interpreted but the mark of the beast are RFID chips because it very specifically (according to you) says "in the hand and forehead". Kinda a double standard there.


  • #65
    Run_to_da_hills
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,009 ✭✭✭✭Run_to_da_hills


    King Mob wrote: »
    Ah so you don't actually predict anything at all. Very convient.Can you show a single other sign or is your interpretation about the mark of the beast being RFID chips.
    Yes as I have explainesd heaps of times already, IN the right hand or IN the Forehead in order to buy or sell.(KJV & Greek translation) If it wasn't so specific I would have expected the mark of the beast to be some kind of a printed barcode tattoo.


  • #66
    King Mob
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    Run_to_da_hills wrote: »
    Can you show a single other sign or is your interpretation about the mark of the beast being RFID chips.
    Yes as I have explainesd heaps of times already, IN the right hand or IN the Forehead in order to buy or sell.(KJV & Greek translation) If it wasn't so specific I would have expected the mark of the beast to be some kind of a printed barcode tattoo.[/QUOTE]

    But it also specifically says seven headed dragon.

    How about any of these other signs that are meant to signify the end?


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  • #67
    DTrotter
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    King Mob wrote: »
    Yes as I have explainesd heaps of times already, IN the right hand or IN the Forehead in order to buy or sell.(KJV & Greek translation) If it wasn't so specific I would have expected the mark of the beast to be some kind of a printed barcode tattoo.

    But it also specifically says seven headed dragon.

    How about any of these other signs that are meant to signify the end?[/quote]

    William Smith prophecised the end, twice!


  • #68
    bonkey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,443 ✭✭✭✭bonkey


    Run_to_da_hills wrote: »
    There are no dates mentioned in Revelation for the "end of the world" or any other major event such as the tribulation, people have been mistakingly placing dates, they being incorrect, not the Bible. However Scripture gives us guidelines of what to look out for before the tribulation and return of Christ.

    So if people have been mistakenly reading the signs and - as a result - mistakenly placing dates, I assume you also accept that you may be misreading signs, and that RFID is, in fact, not the mark of the beast at all?

    Incidentally, lets not forget that that part of your connection of RFID and biblical prophecy equates RFID with barcodes, then misreads barcode "guard bars" as 6s...thus leading to the conclusion that barcodes contain 666 (which they don't) and therefore RFID (which doesn't have guard bars) contains 666 as well.


  • #69
    Run_to_da_hills
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,009 ✭✭✭✭Run_to_da_hills


    bonkey wrote: »
    So if people have been mistakenly reading the signs and - as a result - mistakenly placing dates, I assume you also accept that you may be misreading signs, and that RFID is, in fact, not the mark of the beast at all?

    Incidentally, lets not forget that that part of your connection of RFID and biblical prophecy equates RFID with barcodes, then misreads barcode "guard bars" as 6s...thus leading to the conclusion that barcodes contain 666 (which they don't) and therefore RFID (which doesn't have guard bars) contains 666 as well.
    I would consider the Barcode a follow up to RFID, one only has to go to a Tesco self service desk pr carry out stock taking in a large warehouse to see how unreliable and slow these things are. It is only a matter of time when consumer bar codes will be replaced by powder chips. I consider the 666 bit in barcodes as a wake up call whether it can be read by computer scanner in binary formation or not.


  • #70
    genericguy
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    simplistic wrote: »
    Ok this is the simplest explanation I have found so far on the subject.


    ...
    I will do the best I can to answer with the limited time I am allotted….

    Good luck and God Speed

    TL;DR


  • #71
    King Mob
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,323 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    Run_to_da_hills wrote: »
    I would consider the Barcode a follow up to RFID, one only has to go to a Tesco self service desk pr carry out stock taking in a large warehouse to see how unreliable and slow these things are. It is only a matter of time when consumer bar codes will be replaced by powder chips. I consider the 666 bit in barcodes as a wake up call whether it can be read by computer scanner in binary formation or not.
    You kinda missed the point of Bonkey's post.
    If people have misread the signs before and can produce false predictions,how do you know you're not doing the same?


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  • #72
    Run_to_da_hills
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,009 ✭✭✭✭Run_to_da_hills


    King Mob wrote: »
    You kinda missed the point of Bonkey's post.
    If people have misread the signs before and can produce false predictions,how do you know you're not doing the same?
    I would never place times and dates on Biblical prophecy.With regards to the Mark of the Beast, It will only happen when there is a Global authority. No sooner.


  • #73
    King Mob
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    Run_to_da_hills wrote: »
    I would never place times and dates on Biblical prophecy.With regards to the Mark of the Beast, It will only happen when there is a Global authority. No sooner.

    Again missed the point entirely.

    How do you know that your interpretation that the mark of the beast is right when similar interpretations are wrong?

    Can you point to and other signs?


  • #74
    DTrotter
    Closed Accounts Posts: 232 ✭✭DTrotter


    Run_to_da_hills wrote: »
    I would never place times and dates on Biblical prophecy.With regards to the Mark of the Beast, It will only happen when there is a Global authority. No sooner.

    What will happen when the beast arrives? Does Ted Haaggard still have nay credibility on this stuff?


  • #75
    Run_to_da_hills
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,009 ✭✭✭✭Run_to_da_hills


    DTrotter wrote: »
    What will happen when the beast arrives?
    All this wonderful technology, IE CCTV surveylance cams, ANPR, transit smart cards, cashless cards, E Borders, E tags,IP, E mails, text messages, GSM, and any other form of digiital information will be stored in a central atabase and used against you :eek:


  • #76
    thecommander
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    Run_to_da_hills wrote: »
    All this wonderful technology, IE CCTV surveylance cams, ANPR, transit smart cards, cashless cards, E Borders, E tags,IP, E mails, text messages, GSM, and any other form of digiital information will be stored in a central atabase and used against you

    Thought you said that was already happening?


  • #77
    King Mob
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,323 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    Run_to_da_hills wrote: »
    All this wonderful technology, IE CCTV surveylance cams, ANPR, transit smart cards, cashless cards, E Borders, E tags,IP, E mails, text messages, GSM, and any other form of digiital information will be stored in a central atabase and used against you :eek:

    And where in the bible is that?


  • #78
    Run_to_da_hills
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,009 ✭✭✭✭Run_to_da_hills


    thecommander wrote: »
    Thought you said that was already happening?
    Happening but lacking integration.


  • #79
    espinolman
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    Run_to_da_hills wrote: »
    All this wonderful technology, IE CCTV surveylance cams, ANPR, transit smart cards, cashless cards, E Borders, E tags,IP, E mails, text messages, GSM, and any other form of digiital information will be stored in a central atabase and used against you :eek:

    Can something be done about it ?
    Is there anything can we do to prevent this .


  • #80
    Run_to_da_hills
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,009 ✭✭✭✭Run_to_da_hills


    espinolman wrote: »
    Can something be done about it ?
    Is there anything can we do to prevent this .

    It is virtually impossible, people don't listen, they are gullible and so intrigued by modern technology that they oversee the potential of privacy invasion.

    They look at electronic toll plazas, transit smart cards, cash cards RFID, even surgical implants etc as "convenient, time saving devices", similarly high tech CCTV & ANPR is considered a valuable tool against crime and are welcomed in most neighborhoods. People are also facinated in the latest mobile phone and even more so when soon you will be able to purchase anything with them using NFC technology.

    The best way to explain the potential dangers of such technology would be to imagine if Stalin or Hitler had access to it, they could pinpoint and track down dissidents minutes.


  • #81
    Diogenes
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    King Mob wrote: »
    RTdH wrote:
    PAll this wonderful technology, IE CCTV surveylance cams, ANPR, transit smart cards, cashless cards, E Borders, E tags,IP, E mails, text messages, GSM, and any other form of digiital information will be stored in a central atabase and used against you :eek:

    And where in the bible is that?

    What? Your king james bible didn't include the sharper image fold out section? I'd call the publisher.


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  • #82
    Run_to_da_hills
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,009 ✭✭✭✭Run_to_da_hills


    Diogenes wrote: »
    What? Your king james bible didn't include the sharper image fold out section? I'd call the publisher.
    He would also find it written in the amplified version. :D


  • #83
    bonkey
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    Run_to_da_hills wrote: »
    The best way to explain the potential dangers of such technology would be to imagine if Stalin or Hitler had access to it, they could pinpoint and track down dissidents minutes.

    Funnily enough, I'd see that as the potential danger of allowing a Stalin or Hitler to take power in a nation.

    Modern medicine has a horrific potential for misuse, but I don't think it should be banned or avoided in case some crazy dictator decides to misuse it.


  • #84
    Run_to_da_hills
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    bonkey wrote: »
    Modern medicine has a horrific potential for misuse, but I don't think it should be banned or avoided in case some crazy dictator decides to misuse it.
    Such as a Swine flu vaccine. :pac:


  • #85
    bonkey
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    Exactly. I think it would be irresponsibility of the highest order for such vaccines to be opposed or not to be produced for fear that someone could misuse a vaccination program at some time in the future.


  • #86
    ilivetolearn
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    bonkey wrote: »
    Exactly. I think it would be irresponsibility of the highest order for such vaccines to be opposed or not to be produced for fear that someone could misuse a vaccination program at some time in the future.

    Yep. I think RTDH and yourself will find a common ground on regulating the authority behind the technology rather than the technology itself. Absolute power corrupts absolutely and all that.

    I'd have serious grievances however if my government were to dictate that an item of technology becomes mandatory when it is not essential to my day-today living. Furthermore my grievances would only be amplified when an item of technology impedes my civil liberties and freedoms.


  • #87
    studiorat
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    I love the irony of someone using the Bible to prove a conspiracy.

    Using the probably the Biggest Conspiracy of all time to prove all the smaller ones. If you want to see a real conspiracy look at the history of that very KJV you're quoting from.


  • #88
    ilivetolearn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 214 ✭✭ilivetolearn


    studiorat wrote: »
    I love the irony of someone using the Bible to prove a conspiracy.

    Using the probably the Biggest Conspiracy of all time to prove all the smaller ones. If you want to see a real conspiracy look at the history of that very KJV you're quoting from.

    If I believed every theory that out there then they each would perhaps cancel each other out.


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