How NOT to post on this forum - A Case Study.

tonyheaney wrote: »

Hi Guys I need some advise regarding rentals in limerick please. when i move i wont be working so not lot of money and need to know how much money i should bring to rent out an apartment or house in limerick city. what would a deposit be and rent.


Im from limerick city my self but been quite some time since i was there.


I am married with a 2 year old child and one on the way (23 weeks today).
im doing a course which finishes soon and so is my wife.

I am eligible for rent allowance and presently on a RAS house which we do not like and wish to move home to family as we have no one here.

my advice..raheen/dooradoyle because you dont(if you have too)venture into the scumbag city that is limerick city.im from here and i hate to say it,its a kip and anybody thats tryes to tell u different has never experienced city life here.i would love to say different but unfortunely i cant.

Insect Overlord wrote: »

I'm not blind. You're suggesting that the entire city is uninhabitable because of crime. That's beyond ridiculous.

no i did'nt, i said raheen/dooradoyle are fine,most of the rest of it is a ****hole.I used to feel safe walking around limerick city because it WAS my city but not any more.Why do you think that is????

zuroph wrote: »

Ridiculous, i have many friends living in the city centre who absolutely love it.

in the city centre?ha,you got to be kidding me,explain.i also know ppl who live in the ccr,who have great views from there apps but they wont walk outside late at night.

Insect Overlord wrote: »

It's not naïvety cruiser. It's called being realistic. I know that crime exists in Limerick. I see the drug-addicts, the beggars, the gangs in hoods trying to look hard. They're there alright. The thing is, tens of thousands of other people co-exist in the same environment, every day, and most of us get by just fine. I don't know what your personal issue is with the city centre, but don't use it as a stick to beat everybody else.

have you got kids?dont tell me about been nieve,your ignorance outstands me.

cruiser178 wrote: »

2008 limerick city the murder capital of europe http://www.independent.ie/national-news/limerick-is-now-the-official-murder-capital-of-europe-1353369.html GTFO,this place is a ****hole and you know whats worse,we the ppl have left it get this way.

and GTFO out with this stat, its horribly scewed by the population figure they chose to use...

try 2009s figures

In Ireland and Britain, only Glasgow comes ahead of Dublin -- in fifth place. Latvian capital Riga was number one on the list.

http://www.herald.ie/national-news/city-news/dublin-murder-rate-is-one-of-europes-highest-1589449.html

fairymuffin wrote: »

@insect overlord maybe you should read this link before defending limerick so stronglyhttp://www.thefreelibrary.com/LIMERICK+CITY+GUN+WARFARE:+CRIME+GANGS'+SNIPER+THREAT;+Gardai+fear...-a0111484801

worked for me, it proves panic talk..

that article is from 2003, 8 years old. If it was true, please explain to me which murders have been carried out in Limerick using Sniper rifles, as it claims was about to happen??

BS plain and simple, you can come out from hiding behind your couch now.

fairy, do you know cruiser, or what brought you to register at this hour to post here?

cruiser178 wrote: »

I used to feel the same as you when i was your age 22,dont confrunt me when i have a lot more life experiences then you in limerick and its scum bag residents of the areas i came from,it makes you look this<->big.Know what you are talking about be fore you mod a forum that involves the whole of the limerick ppl,little boy.

thats some pathetic posting.

zuroph wrote: »

fairy, do you know cruiser, or what brought you to register at this hour to post here?

why you trying to be a sa

So posts that were deemed worthy of deletion get put up in a seperate thread of their own, pretty much duplicating their effect, as some kind of example of what is not acceptable.

Funny that, it looks to me like two sides goading each other with one side being smart enough to technically stay within the Charter boundaries.

Pretty sad stuff by all involved, and of no help at all to the guy who made the original post asking about places to stay.

Insect Overlord wrote: »

The reason the posts were removed to a new thread (and not deleted) was because for a short time a legitimate debate was being carried out. The topic of that debate was of no help whatsoever to the OP in the other thread, you are correct. That is why the other thread was cleaned (i.e. to keep it on-topic). The fact that one poster refused to follow site-guidelines, despite polite recommendation, is of no fault of mine.

I don't know what you find sad about that.

What I find sad about it, is that it is being put up as some kind of example for the rest of us plebs. You as a mod, or another mod, could just as easily have dealt with it. Explained to the offending parties by PM what they were doing against the charter, and if/when they did not comply with the charter, then the mod on duty could have infracted/banned them and just deleted all the offending posts, and the problem would be gone from sight.


Moving the offending posts into a thread of their own as some kind of "example" for the rest of us smacks of a few things to be honest, and also goes against something we are told on a regular basis not to do in the open forum.

Now I know by discussing it now I could be accused of discussing an issue in public rather than taking it to PM, but isn't that what you have done by creating this thread?

And by creating this thread and stating on it how it is an example of how to not post in a proper manner, I think that you made it fine for me to question it and discuss it, because you put it out there in your capacity as a mod.

I don't agree with how the banned poster was putting their pov across, but I do think that highlighting the incident in a seperate thread is wrong, and that unless you are going to do the same from here in with every thread that has a similar incident in it, and by that I mean take the offending posts and make a seperate thread stating that this is how not to do it, then what you have done is little more than isolating a poster or even be seen as unfair treatment after a punishment was already handed out.

Best thing in my eyes is to have simply deleted the lot after handing out a punishement, but that is only an opinion and not a suggestion, as a suggestion would be back seat modding.

Insect Overlord wrote: »

Some very good points there, Kess, thanks. Feel free to post any opinions/feedback you have about this. As it's a thread of an unusual nature, posts about my handling of this will not be considered back-seat modding.

As someone who has gotten his fair share of infractions, some I defo deserved and some that were dodgy, the one thing I know that always works with me is for a mod to PM me with the issue and to advise me to tone it down/shut up/edit post or whatever. If I then ignore that, then I get what I deserve. But I know that if I got a punishment for something, and accepted that punishment as fair, as in I did not go to the feedback forum to contest it, then I would not be happy to see a matter I presumed to be over and done with put up again as an example.

Some posters may agree with me, others may think I am spouting utter rubbish, but modding can be a divisive topic at the best of times. Some mods are excellent at what they do, in that they hardly get noticed doing their job but get the job done fairly, and other mods have a more hardline approach that works well in extreme situations but can be overkill for lesser offences.

I'm not pointing the finger at any particular mod or mods btw.

I know modding can be pretty thankless, but the majority of people will respond in a positive manner to a mod that takes the time to explain the problem by PM, and will generally respect the mod more for it, and will try to abide by what they have been asked to do.

I think people get the backs up when they see what they think is overly harsh modding or modding that potentially opens a can of worms for the future, the latter being my bugbear today.

I think that consistency is the key. An obvious thing to say I know, but no less true in my eyes. I have seen some bannings on here over the last few months that made very little sense due to seeing other posters say similar things and get no punishment. Now the idea of hitting the report button everytime someone does not get banned for something another did get banned for is not and option and would be petty, but seeing bans handed out for things that others were not punished for does grate, and whilst that did not happen in today's incident it does happen, and of course is not limited to this forum.

Maybe we should have a thread on here every three months or every six months or whatever timelimit was deemed the right one, where we the forum users are asked to comment on how we think the forum is, and what improvements or changes could be made.

Something like how it gets done on the soccer forum. That way the mods/adims have feedback on issues in the forum, and can then get a feel for what people are thinking and maybe create more of a community feel.