AgeCards are 'not a form of ID'? What?

ColmDawson · 06-10-2010 5:05pm

Are you sure you have to fill in the form in the station? A couple of weeks ago I got my mum to get me a form from the station in Rathfarnham because Dundrum had none. My face has been completely rubbed off my old ID.

LizT · 06-10-2010 5:07pm

ColmDawson wrote: »

Are you sure you have to fill in the form in the station? A couple of weeks ago I got my mum to get me a form from the station in Rathfarnham because Dundrum had none. My face has been completely rubbed off my old ID.

AFAIK, you don't need to fill the form in in the station, you just have to sign it in the presence of a garda.

Fionn MacCool · 06-10-2010 5:07pm

lizt wrote: »

I meant that a passport shouldn't be the only accepted proof of age.

I know you did. But that isn't what the other poster was saying at all.

ColmDawson wrote: »

Are you sure you have to fill in the form in the station? A couple of weeks ago I got my mum to get me a form from the station in Rathfarnham because Dundrum had none. My face has been completely rubbed off my old ID.

That's what they told me in Galway.

Is there still a laughably long waiting time to get an AgeCard by the way? I heard they send the applications off in batches, and the last time I applied for one I waited about 6 months. Absolute joke tbh.

Naos · 06-10-2010 5:10pm

Why not just say "I'm 22, I've not carried ID with me in the past two years, sorry about that".

It's better than the usual crap of "I'm going on holidays tomorrow and I don't want to lose my passport and I don't drive and..." that I'm sure bouncers put up with.

Be cool and honest with them - explain why you don't carry it "I'm 22" and you've not carried it the past two years. This way you're telling them your age and that you've been out on the beer for at least two years.

LizT · 06-10-2010 5:12pm

Fionn MacCool wrote: »

I know you did. But that isn't what the other poster was saying at all.

That was my interpretation of the post - a passport should be the one stop shop for ID, i.e. that should be the only form of I.D accepted. Obviously your interpretation of the post was different, so thanks for jumping down my throat about that.
Anyway, good luck with getting the age card.

Louthdrog · 06-10-2010 5:13pm

Whoever prints these things cant be the smartest bunch in the world. Left an i out of my name when i got mine. Didnt think it would work and id have to get a new one seeing as my name on it now looks like no name iv ever heard but nobody has even batted an eyelid.

Fionn MacCool · 06-10-2010 5:18pm

Naos wrote: »

Why not just say "I'm 22, I've not carried ID with me in the past two years, sorry about that".

It's better than the usual crap of "I'm going on holidays tomorrow and I don't want to lose my passport and I don't drive and..." that I'm sure bouncers put up with.

Be cool and honest with them - explain why you don't carry it "I'm 22" and you've not carried it the past two years. This way you're telling them your age and that you've been out on the beer for at least two years.

Have you ever met a bouncer? 99% of them assume that everybody in the club is drunk out of their minds and cannot comprehend reason (inb4 'they are'). I've been pushed out the door of a club before while trying to get my jacket back because most bouncers won't even bother listening to you.

To be honest, most of the places I drink these days are regular haunts of mine and I don't get ID'd at all anyway.

lizt wrote: »

That was my interpretation of the post - a passport should be the one stop shop for ID, i.e. that should be the only form of I.D accepted. Obviously your interpretation of the post was different, so thanks for jumping down my throat about that.
Anyway, good luck with getting the age card.

Didn't mean to jump down your throat, was only correcting you :pac:

Louthdrog wrote: »

Whoever prints these things cant be the smartest bunch in the world. Left an i out of my name when i got mine. Didnt think it would work and id have to get a new one seeing as my name on it now looks like no name iv ever heard but nobody has even batted an eyelid.

Haha my friend got his back and it said he was a female. God knows why it even has to say your sex.

stovelid · 06-10-2010 5:28pm

Fionn MacCool wrote: »

It's a discussion about what merits acceptable ID.

Being able to shave does it for me.

Fionn MacCool · 06-10-2010 5:35pm

stovelid wrote: »

Being able to shave does it for me.

You only started shaving at 18 did you?

Rockn · 06-10-2010 6:17pm

It's pretty ridiculous all right. I have this card that proves that someone is over 18 but it's not valid proof that I am that someone.

Nevyn · 06-10-2010 6:40pm

I don't drive and I haven't been out of the country in the last 11 years and don't have any plans to travel so I do not have a passport.

But passports are being used as a national ID.
National ID cards are usually free but we have to pay 80quid for one in the form of a passport. I went to change my mobile phone provider and was told that I had to fork out and get either a passport or a drivers leince to do so, mortguage statements, bank statements, birthcerts ect aren't' any good so I have to pay 80 euro to prove who I am.

starlit · 06-10-2010 7:18pm

That's madness OP. I often been to places or filled out forms and states that an Age Card is in fact a form of ID. Sure I was in the states just gone 21, no make up on, bought a drink but was asked for ID, I didn't have my passport on me at the time but had my age card with me and it was fine! A little mortified and embarrassed but was considered a form of ID as well as proof of age back then thats going back a couple of years though. Ya rarely asked for my ID at a check out when buying alcohol but when I am asked I get annoyed causes its usually the oldie ones will always ask! I'm 25, I may look young for my age but still it gets annoying after awhile. Certain bouncers of course will be strict depending on the club or pub and age group policy.

confusticated · 06-10-2010 7:19pm

Any tesco I've ever been asked for id in has only accepted age cards, passports wouldn't do. It's mad. The filling out the form in the garda station thing doesn't seem odd to me though, you've to do that for a passport too.

Bazzo · 06-10-2010 7:27pm

aidan24326 wrote: »

Haven't heard of that now, are you sure they were refusing you solely on the basis of age/id? Not doubting you or anything but that just sounds rather bizarre. A valid passport HAS to be accpeted. It's the standard legally-recognised form of personal identification in just about every bloody country on the planet.

If someone refused to accept my passport as a proof of id (or age in the OP's case) I would stand my ground and call the gardai right there, as the only way they can refuse to accept it is if it's out of date, which they would tell you, or if they think it's fake which is an issue that would require the guards attention anyway.

I remember on the day I turned 18 going into my local tesco to load up on booze for my 18th. Was told by the person at the till that they didn't accept passports. Told her to get a manager. Manager told me the same thing, had an arguement for a long time, as I was literally 18 that day so it would have been impossible for me to have an age card. After ANOTHER manager was called and the two discussed it for about 20 minutes they "decided to let me away with it this once."

So yeah, a lot of these places don't know what they're at, whether it's a manager or someone behind the till.

ALSO have had my AGE CARD refused in Dunnes being told that they didn't accept them. :rolleyes: Had to get a manager to deal with that too, despite the fact that I pointed out the big "WE ACCEPT AGE CARDS" sign at the till to the person there. :pac:

tolosenc · 06-10-2010 8:42pm

National ID cards, anyone?

Sticky_Fingers · 06-10-2010 9:10pm

Fionn MacCool wrote: »

I remember buying beer in Dunnes before, I was asked for ID and showed them my passport (I'm 21), then she asked my mate next to me for ID and he showed his drivers license (he was almost 21) and we were refused because they didn't accept a drivers livense. Even though it was me buying the drink and I had a passport... I couldn't believe it. For starters, even if I was buying it for someone else who was underage, they wouldn't be ****ing standing next to me in the shop! Not to mention he HAD ID showing he was 20 they just didn't accept it.

Vaguely similar thing happened to me except I was the one who had to refuse service. Young lad comes into the shop and tries to buy some beer, when I ID him he hasn't got any on him so I had to refuse. He leaves the shop and comes back 10 seconds later with his older brother who does have ID but unfortunately I can't service him either because he tried to buy the alcohol with the lad I refused standing right next to him. Felt like a bollox for not serving him but if it turned out that the young lad was given the drink by his bro then I could have lost my job and the shop closed down for a few days.

Moral of the story, the till jockeys are not taking perverse pleasure out of refusing service but are just following the sometimes ridiculous rules imposed on them by the management.

Adyx · 06-10-2010 10:06pm

Fionn MacCool wrote: »

You could be right, although that would be downright ridiculous. Say I own a pub and a close family friend comes in who I know is 20 years of age. He has to have ID on him? No.

Also "18-23" seems a pretty arbitrary range.

In fact the more I think about it, the more I think that's bollocks.

I apologise, I've since had time to look it up and it's a person between 18 and 21 must be able to prove their age. So it's not complete bollocks. Link

The point still stands though that they do have to ask for id if they believe you to be under 21. Given the choice of pissing off some young person who can't produce proof of age or getting a fine for breaking the terms of the licence, I'll take the former every time.

Puck · 06-10-2010 11:21pm

>"I am 18! Look, here's my AgeCard"
<presents AgeCard>
Bouncer: "Ah, I see somebody is 18, but who are you?

Fionn MacCool · 07-10-2010 1:49am

Adyx wrote: »

The point still stands though that they do have to ask for id if they believe you to be under 21.

It seems a very vague law though, doesn't it?

Like say I serve someone who is 19 without asking for ID and get told "you should have asked them for ID", I can just say "i thought he looked over 21". They can't prove I didn't think that, and since he was 19 I didn't break any law.

Ultimately the person serving you is taking a risk that you are of age, and by providing passport, license, Agecard etc you are lessening that risk.

Adyx · 07-10-2010 2:28am

Fionn MacCool wrote: »

It seems a very vague law though, doesn't it?

Like say I serve someone who is 19 without asking for ID and get told "you should have asked them for ID", I can just say "i thought he looked over 21". They can't prove I didn't think that, and since he was 19 I didn't break any law.

Ultimately the person serving you is taking a risk that you are of age, and by providing passport, license, Agecard etc you are lessening that risk.

It is vague. But it's the same situation when it comes to someone, who is say 16; "Oh I thought he looked over 18". That's the problem at the moment, although it is actually a defence. You just have to convince them.

My solution: ask everyone who looks even remotely younger than 23 even if they've been allowed in by bouncers. That way my arse is covered. If it pisses off a few people who don't have ID, that's not my problem.

For the record, I did/do accept Passport, drivers licence and age card. Age cards are dodgy though, they are often badly damaged and if the damage is excessive in my eyes, I won't take it.

the_syco · 07-10-2010 2:44am

Fionn MacCool wrote: »

how about you don't be a ****ing jobsworth and just serve the guy?

Because when you have a job, you don't really give a flying f**k who the customer is: you follow the rules to keep that job. They may make no sense, but once you follow them, you get to keep your job.

Simple as.

Don't do your job, and in a recession, there are a hundred CV's in the office, waiting to fill your position.

Fionn MacCool · 07-10-2010 1:01pm

the_syco wrote: »

Because when you have a job, you don't really give a flying f**k who the customer is: you follow the rules to keep that job.

I would have thought that treating the customer with respect and showing initiative/common sense were all things that make a good employee.

clived2 · 07-10-2010 1:18pm

Hi sorry for the little thread derail

How long does it take to get an age card, after you go to the
station and fill required form.

Thanks in advance

_feedback_ · 07-10-2010 1:21pm

clived2 wrote: »

Hi sorry for the little thread derail

How long does it take to get an age card, after you go to the
station and fill required form.

Thanks in advance

From FAQ's on website:

How long will it take to get my card?
It is expected that you would receive your card within 6/8 weeks of applying.

clived2 · 07-10-2010 1:23pm

elviscostello wrote: »

From FAQ's on website:

How long will it take to get my card?
It is expected that you would receive your card within 6/8 weeks of applying.

thanks, 6-8 weeks:eek:
Should have found that myself

Where are they going china, and back again( that would take less than a week )

_feedback_ · 07-10-2010 1:26pm

No prob clived2

I'm amazed at the amount of bitching about off license staff / bar staff / doormen etc.

They don't have to serve you or let you in.

If you have kids someday, you'll be happy for people like these to refuse to serve them if they are not happy with ID.

If you don't like the attitude of staff, complain and don't go back!

Bazzo · 07-10-2010 1:43pm

elviscostello wrote: »

From FAQ's on website:

How long will it take to get my card?
It is expected that you would receive your card within 6/8 weeks of applying.

Lol... it said the same thing when I applied for mine, and it took around 5 months.

07-10-2010 1:45pm

My girlfriend (age 25) was asked for her age card when buying booze last week, and she produced the one that she had when she was 18. Apparently there's a more recent age card out now, so she was refused because she had an old age card, which makes no sense in my head.

Bazzo · 07-10-2010 1:47pm

Dónal wrote: »

My girlfriend (age 25) was asked for her age card when buying booze last week, and she produced the one that she had when she was 18. Apparently there's a more recent age card out now, so she was refused because she had an old age card, which makes no sense in my head.

Not 100% but fairly sure that she can go into a garda station and hand it in to them and send off a form to get it replaced with the newer type for free. Hmmm, thinking about it though there may be an age restriction on that....

TouchingVirus · 07-10-2010 2:04pm

lizt wrote: »

That was my interpretation of the post - a passport should be the one stop shop for ID, i.e. that should be the only form of I.D accepted.

No, that wasn't what I meant. You're not comfortable bringing out your passport, fair enough. Other people are, whether it breaks the law or not is immaterial. If I present my passport to whomever, it should be accepted as a valid form of identification. Nobody should ever ask to see anything else or tell me that my passport isn't good enough.

If it is good enough to allow me to leave and re-enter this state, it is good enough for anything else.

TouchingVirus · 07-10-2010 2:05pm

Bazzo wrote: »

Not 100% but fairly sure that she can go into a garda station and hand it in to them and send off a form to get it replaced with the newer type for free. Hmmm, thinking about it though there may be an age restriction on that....

Yes, you're right. She could re-apply. But they've not been handing out these old age-cards for a few years now, so if she was in possession of one then she was obviously 18 for quite some time.

It's a different story if, and this is what I suspect, the picture on the old agecard was of poor quality.

Noodleworm · 07-10-2010 2:57pm

isn't the difference between proof of age and ID, that an age card can prove you are who are over 18 to do over 18 things...
an ID, or Identification, proves you are who you say you are, to open bank accounts etc...

I dunno, thats all the sense I can make from it

AgeCards are 'not a form of ID'? What?

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