Will this recession change Ireland?

Agricola · 04-11-2009 9:14pm

Kipperhell wrote: »

This is just hysterical. I have heard similar rants all my life and it covers periods of time that many here obviously weren't around for. If you have ever seen a child give their opinion and it is apparent it is the parent's view you know the feeling I get from hearing this kind of stuff.

I am still waiting to see the liberal agenda that has been in play for the past 30 years.

Your not alone my father-in-law makes up his mind based on headlines too.

Bugs post was abit hysterical but there is some truth to it. Anyone could see that economic prosperity went to the politicians heads. It was a policy of spend spend spend. I dont blame them though. They are representatives of the people, chosen by the people, from among the people. They were just doing what the electorate wanted - which during the boom years amounted to spending more and more money as well as taking more and more people out of the tax net.

The problem in Ireland is a cultural thing. We were "new money" and we didnt know how to handle it. I know the same thing has happened across the globe but theres no denying we wouldnt be staring into the economic abyss of such an enormous national deficit, if it wasnt for the stupid policy making and the constant buying of votes by Fianna Fail.

I dont think it will change anything really. As long as tribal political party politics and fat bonuses for bank exexcutives exists, we will eventually always come back to bust again.

irish_bob · 04-11-2009 9:44pm

foxyboxer wrote: »

An investor once went to a farm in texas on some business to meet the owner.

A man in a check shirt, dusty jeans and boots in need of a good clean came to meet him.

The investor asked him "Do you know where the owner of this farm is?"

The man replied "I am the owner"

The investor could not get his head around the notion that this man in his tattered state could be the owner of such a vast fortune.

The man expalined to the investor "Here, in Texas, we have a saying "BIG HAT, NO CATTLE". I may not be wearing a pristine suit or driving a brand new pick up, but I am a very wealthy man"

During the Celtic Tiger years 1994 to 2007, our society (especially the middle classes) embraced the notion and ideals of materialism. The very idea that 'stuff' made us happier. Living the pop culture definition of being a millionaire on the industrial wage. We were sold a lifestyle of land rovers, 5 bed detached houses, tommy hilfiger, Jimmy Choo. We could have it all and we borrowed into it wholsesale.

The concept of 'keeping up with the joneses' was very much apparant. For example, people getting new cars every year so that the reg was the current year. The proliferation of status symbols such as the Mercs, the gold rolexes, the country house etc were here too. What we realised now, was that the status symbols and the rampant materialism was all a facade. Financed primarily through credit. I believe that the 'must have it now' mentality will disappear quicker than the credit which funds it.

I hope that as a country we feel ashamed at the gaudiness of conspicuous consumption that we witnessed especially in this decade. I am not advocating that it's not right to own luxury things, but there's admiration for anyone who has worked hard and buys these things without credit as a justified reward.

We should be more focused on the health, education and development of our children.

It angers me that the government were spending vast amounts of money on vanity projects while this money could have been used more prudently on health and education.

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the goverment spent a fortune on health and education during the boom , its just the money ended up in the bank account of nurses , doctors and teachers

our health and education sectors were malfunded not underfunded

bug · 04-11-2009 11:51pm

Kipperhell wrote: »

This is just hysterical. I have heard similar rants all my life and it covers periods of time that many here obviously weren't around for. If you have ever seen a child give their opinion and it is apparent it is the parent's view you know the feeling I get from hearing this kind of stuff.

I am still waiting to see the liberal agenda that has been in play for the past 30 years.

Your not alone my father-in-law makes up his mind based on headlines too.

You make a lot of assumptions in that post. All of them are incorrect.

At best, if you had said I was deeply pessimistic about the situation, you might have some basis.

Your father in law may get a good deal at specsavers, I believe small print is hard to read for some.
You never know it could be another assumption, perhaps all he can read is the headlines. Me, I've good sight and read a number of news sources. So rest assurred, I keep myself informed with the small print.

I'm sorry my opinion irks you. I base it on what I've seen and read for myself rather than heard.

As for the liberal agenda, I don't see where you got the last thirty years from, "new wave" doesn't imply that.

bug · 04-11-2009 11:56pm

ei.sdraob wrote: »

where do you fit on this spectrum?

I sit snugly in the corner of "no balls" anatomically speaking.

BrokenArrows · 05-11-2009 12:38am

what recession is this now?

hopalong85 · 05-11-2009 1:17am

thatsa spicy wrote: »

Harldy EVER before in history were the conditions of living as brilliant in a country as they were during the boom years of his country.

Pre-civilisation human life consisted of waking up and procuring your sustinence for the day. They likely had some days with enough food to fill themselves and some days without. Were they miserable the whole time? I doubt it; otherwise our brains wouldn't have evolved an ability to let us laugh.

Civilised human life, for almost the entirity of its duration, consisted of absolute poverty for the majority and I doubt they went about in gloom the whole time.

So why should our little darling Celtic Tiger cubs be insulated from cradle to grave from having to ever live through conditions of financial or material scarcity? Fcuk them. (I should also say that it would be naive to compare the, still, absolutely great living conditions we enjoy in this first world country today, to the conditions of years gone by but people in this country seem to still think we have it unbelievably bad :rolleyes:)

I'm not saying that ALL teenagers who lived through the boom have no concept of what its like to not have what they want or to not have a job at the ready, but in fairness, the mental reserve and self-motivation of a lot of teenagers in the last decade in this country has become flabby. Even sitting in school I noticed that people were dozy as hell and showed no incentive, because they were used to having stuff handed to it on a plate.

Hopefully they'll discover that life owes them fcuking nothing and the'll be better for it in the long run.

Oh, and if the cubs are miserable cause they dont have money for clothes, a car, going out or drinking, well boo-fcuking-hoo

Very, very bitter post. Shocking to me that one can be so angry and bitter about this particular issue. Big fcuking deal if people enjoy material things. Jesus man, one of the most begrudging posts I've ever read on boards, and that's saying something!

thatsa spicy · 05-11-2009 2:31am

hopalong85 wrote: »

Very, very bitter post. Shocking to me that one can be so angry and bitter about this particular issue. Big fcuking deal if people enjoy material things. Jesus man, one of the most begrudging posts I've ever read on boards, and that's saying something!

Yes, well I feel pretty damn sick even thinking of my generation. Seriously though, I fcuking absolutely despise the super sweet 16 generation of Irish people who think they are from the West Coast of America. They're not. I want hem to know they're trying to live in a fantasy world. D4 accents and expensive clothes don't suit Irish people, and neither do 7 euro sandwiches for that matter. The last decade was a fcuking GOLDEN AGE in this country; it was ABSOLUTELY ABNORMAL, not the norm.

hopalong85 · 05-11-2009 2:52am

thatsa spicy wrote: »

Yes, well I feel pretty damn sick even thinking of my generation. Seriously though, I fcuking absolutely despise the super sweet 16 generation of Irish people who think they are from the West Coast of America. They're not. I want hem to know they're trying to live in a fantasy world. D4 accents and expensive clothes don't suit Irish people, and neither do 7 euro sandwiches for that matter. The last decade was a fcuking GOLDEN AGE in this country; it was ABSOLUTELY ABNORMAL, not the norm.

Meh, there's no such thing as 'suiting irish people'. People are people. Irish people can't be defined by one mass stereotype. I'm Irish. Don't tell me what suits me please.

If you're all for a return to the good old days of mass emigration and widespread poverty then that's your prerogative, it isn't a prospect I'd relish though. Expensive clothes don't suit Irish people?! Simply lol. Let's go back to the better times, a non secular state and negative, backwards views galore. But hey, at least the cute hoor peasants knew their place as Irish people! It's what suited us!

By the way, I hate that programme too, it sucks. Couldn't give a toss about someone's accent though. To be honest, fcuk what used to be the norm. Didn't sound like a whole lot of fun to me.

fcussen · 05-11-2009 5:30am

thatsa spicy wrote: »

Yes, well I feel pretty damn sick even thinking of my generation. Seriously though, I fcuking absolutely despise the super sweet 16 generation of Irish people who think they are from the West Coast of America. They're not. I want hem to know they're trying to live in a fantasy world. D4 accents and expensive clothes don't suit Irish people, and neither do 7 euro sandwiches for that matter. The last decade was a fcuking GOLDEN AGE in this country; it was ABSOLUTELY ABNORMAL, not the norm.

you're an idiot

dr.bollocko · 05-11-2009 10:19am

fcussen wrote: »

you're an idiot

Round here we don't take too kindly to the old personal abuse. Please don't do it again or I will ban you.

hooradiation · 05-11-2009 12:17pm

thatsa spicy wrote: »

Harldy EVER before in history were the conditions of living as brilliant in a country as they were during the boom years of his country.

Pre-civilisation human life consisted of waking up and procuring your sustinence for the day. They likely had some days with enough food to fill themselves and some days without. Were they miserable the whole time? I doubt it; otherwise our brains wouldn't have evolved an ability to let us laugh.

to paraphrase Morbo:

EVOLUTION DOES NOT WORK THAT WAY

thatsa spicy wrote: »

Civilised human life, for almost the entirity of its duration, consisted of absolute poverty for the majority and I doubt they went about in gloom the whole time.

The myth of a happier, simpler time is just that. A Myth.

thatsa spicy wrote: »

I'm not saying that ALL teenagers who lived through the boom have no concept of what its like to not have what they want or to not have a job at the ready, but in fairness, the mental reserve and self-motivation of a lot of teenagers in the last decade in this country has become flabby. Even sitting in school I noticed that people were dozy as hell and showed no incentive, because they were used to having stuff handed to it on a plate.

But not you, i bet you're just an awesome young go-getter. A John Galt in waiting, no doubt.

thatsa spicy wrote: »

Hopefully they'll discover that life owes them fcuking nothing and the'll be better for it in the long run.

Oh, and if the cubs are miserable cause they dont have money for clothes, a car, going out or drinking, well boo-fcuking-hoo

yeah, leisure activities are for wimps! and looser! Damn soft people with there wanting to acquire things, fools the lot of them!

... yeah, well it's been fun, but i guess i can stop taking you seriously now.

CelticTiger* · 05-11-2009 9:16pm

Tawny wrote: »

Will this Recession change Ireland?

Slightly, if anything,
For me it all Depends on who the next government is, FF/Fg = concept of boom and bust to continue as per usual
Labour govn. = None of this bubble nonsense

segaBOY · 05-11-2009 9:18pm

CelticTiger* wrote: »

Slightly, if anything,
For me it all Depends on who the next government is, FF/Fg = concept of boom and bust to continue as per usual
Labour govn. = None of this bubble nonsense

Labour is centre left at best. They'll play the game just like all the other parties.

LoanShark · 06-11-2009 2:28pm

brendansmith wrote: »

Proof?

EH. I once got a letter of a pre-aproved loan for €20,000 from a bank that I have no business with..
I was looking at buying a house with a 100% mortage and the Broker was gonna add on the deposit and a bt of decoration money..
Credit card limits that went up without having to ask for it..
Overdraft available on a Phone call...

LoanShark · 06-11-2009 2:43pm

fcussen wrote: »

you're an idiot

I kinda see his point..A month or so ago the Sunday Indo magazine, carried an article about some D4 girls and how the recession affected them, To be honest it was total cringe, their vew of a recession was not being able to have 14 days in the sun in the south of france But have 7 days in Turkey.. That they were no longer able to buy stuff in Brown Thomas but had to make do with Pennys..
They also went on about one of their friends not getting a part time job, So she wasn't going to be able to go on holiday..

Their is a generation out there that don't know what it is like to have to go without..That if it can't be got...It can't be got!

irishultra · 06-11-2009 3:51pm

Yes but for the better or for the worse in the long term I'm not so sure.

foxyboxer · 06-11-2009 4:10pm

Also, no-one will speak in terms of K anymore

"I bought my shoebox for 400 K's"
"My bonus this year is only 15 K's"

etc

Caoimhín · 06-11-2009 5:47pm

hooradiation wrote: »

to paraphrase Morbo:

EVOLUTION DOES NOT WORK THAT WAY.

Where in the post you are referring to mention evolution? It doesn't even allude to evolution.

fcussen · 06-11-2009 6:30pm

LoanShark wrote: »

I kinda see his point..A month or so ago the Sunday Indo magazine, carried an article about some D4 girls and how the recession affected them, To be honest it was total cringe, their vew of a recession was not being able to have 14 days in the sun in the south of france But have 7 days in Turkey.. That they were no longer able to buy stuff in Brown Thomas but had to make do with Pennys..
They also went on about one of their friends not getting a part time job, So she wasn't going to be able to go on holiday..

Their is a generation out there that don't know what it is like to have to go without..That if it can't be got...It can't be got!

His point is "what's wrong with all these people using their MONEY to have a good time? Why can't they all just accept that life is meant to be a joyless impoverished chore?"

My only hope that he's anyway sane is that he's trying to subtly take the piss out of the Irish begrudging mentality by taking it to its cartoonishly miserablist conclusions.

thatsa spicy · 06-11-2009 6:40pm

LoanShark wrote: »

I kinda see his point..A month or so ago the Sunday Indo magazine, carried an article about some D4 girls and how the recession affected them, To be honest it was total cringe, their vew of a recession was not being able to have 14 days in the sun in the south of france But have 7 days in Turkey.. That they were no longer able to buy stuff in Brown Thomas but had to make do with Pennys..
They also went on about one of their friends not getting a part time job, So she wasn't going to be able to go on holiday..

Their is a generation out there that don't know what it is like to have to go without..That if it can't be got...It can't be got!

I nearly felt sick when I read that article in the Sunday Independent "life" magazine. Little trollops.

thatsa spicy · 06-11-2009 6:42pm

fcussen wrote: »

My only hope that he's anyway sane is that he's trying to subtly take the piss out of the Irish begrudging mentality by taking it to its cartoonishly miserablist conclusions.

Heh. Looks like I'm insane then.

spylon · 06-11-2009 6:49pm

LoanShark wrote: »

the Sunday Indo magazine

Hopefully that rag, along with most of the cretins who feature in it, will be among the casualties of recession..

Caoimhín · 06-11-2009 7:22pm

spylon wrote: »

Hopefully that rag, along with most of the cretins who feature in it, will be among the casualties of recession..

Yeah actually, that magazine symbolizes everything that is wrong with Ireland today. A fascination with mediocre celebrities, obsession with material things and a shallowness that is utterly despairing.

Will this recession change Ireland?

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