Will this recession change Ireland?

Tawny

Will this Recession change Ireland?

If so how? Will change be positive or negative, or both?

Do we hope or want things to change, or do we just need to figure out how to get back some sort of Celtic Tiger economy?

phasers

The recession started over a year ago

brummytom

There'll be recession's; there'll be booms.

Overall, this one hasn't/won't change things much. People might become a little bit tighter though

Jumpy

God I hope so.

Caoimhín

Hopefully it will make people think twice about charging or paying €7 for a cup of coffee.

I have thought for a long time that what was needed in Ireland was a good, deep recession.

Joey the lips

Yep! I have went from short term unemployed to long term unemployed in the space of a year having never been out of work before!

I figure thats my mind much fcuked up!

maloney333

Theres a recession in Ireland? First i heard..

Caco

Hopefully it'll make the youth of today respect what they have a little more... the celtic tiger ruined a generation of kids who were overly spoiled by their successful yuppy parents!

Poor Uncle Tom

Caoimhín wrote: »

Hopefully it will make people think twice about charging or paying €7 for a cup of coffee.

I have thought for a long time that what was needed in Ireland was a good, deep recession.

Paid €9 for a cup of coffee outside the Hotel Paris in Monte Carlo five years ago, and €10 outside Hotel Mecinatte Palace in Rome three ish years ago. Sometimes the atmosphere makes it worth it.

skooby

its a good thing. it will kill off this credit culture we have in ireland. everyone wanted everything today but didnt want to pay for it for months (if ever) the emphasis shifted from the cash customer being more important to the man who could run up the biggest accounts getting the best prices and best service. developers were treated like kings and now where are they. shafted everyone and walked away. their pockets are stilled lined with gold while the staff/customers/suppliers they left behind and left to suffer. this country has laws to protect these people in limited company while the average joe soap that is left behind can lose everything.
when the dust settles and the economy returns to normality (2012-13) people will be a bit more wary of who they trust. at present people are just digging the holes deeper because these limited liability men are not phased by threats of forced liquidation. in reality it would be a blessing to most of them.
so to answer your question the recession will be a good thing in the long term. but if 2009 was a bad year be prepared for 2010

Fago!

What's this "recession" you peasants are on about????

BaZmO*

You're asking a group of people that couldn't predict the recession to predict the future? Best of luck with that.

Rented Mule

Poor Uncle Tom wrote: »

Paid €9 for a cup of coffee outside the Hotel Paris in Monte Carlo five years ago, and €10 outside Hotel Mecinatte Palace in Rome three ish years ago. Sometimes the atmosphere makes it worth it.

Proving PT Barnums olad adage ...

There's a Sucker born every minute.

Firefox10

Caco wrote: »

Hopefully it'll make the youth of today respect what they have a little more... the celtic tiger ruined a generation of kids who were overly spoiled by their successful yuppy parents!

But you see most of them were not successful at all....it was all an illusion of wealth. (waves hands in spooky fashion)

Poor Uncle Tom

Rented Mule wrote: »

Proving PT Barnums olad adage ...

There's a Sucker born every minute.

Naw, I gulp it, I never suck it.......

thatsa spicy

Yes, it will change Ireland for the better. A mentality has been built up in this country over the last few years that life is meant to be good and that its the norm for their to be enough resources for everybody. Hopefully this recession will be a kick in the spine for these **** and make them realise that they're wrong. Hopefully the teenagers in the next decade won't have enough financial resources to be spoilt; they might learn to appreciate this beautiful life they've been fcuking gven without getting a fiver for their lunch everyday.

orourkeda

I just hope people learn to think before they act especially when it comes to borrowing.

jk86

Yeah, there will be less young people in Ireland as more realise that this country is going to be in the **** for a long time and pack their bags

Daroxtar

The default setting for an irishman is digging ditches in the rain and grumbling about the weather and the english. We'll just return to that and we'll be happy again

Cupcake_Crisis

It hasnt really affected me or my friends too much and i cant see it really having that big an effect in the future. I never had money to spend anyway

GalwayKiefer

One positive thing I have noticed in recent times is that customer service has improved massively in most places. I'm not one to put up with ignorant staff anywhere, if you don't appreciate my business i'll take it elsewhere, but places that were ok before are now full of chat and eager to help etc. They're probably more aware of how quickly they'd be replaced for one thing.

NickNolte

Will people start moaning now about the rich getting poorer? I doubt it...

ElaElaElano

The celtic tiger can get fcuked. The less yummy mummies driving from their house to Superquinn in land rovers the better.

Caoimhín

Poor Uncle Tom wrote: »

Paid €9 for a cup of coffee outside the Hotel Paris in Monte Carlo five years ago, and €10 outside Hotel Mecinatte Palace in Rome three ish years ago. Sometimes the atmosphere makes it worth it.

Fair enough, but I was charged €6.00 for a cup of coffee in fooking Tullamore!!

irish_bob

Caco wrote: »

Hopefully it'll make the youth of today respect what they have a little more... the celtic tiger ruined a generation of kids who were overly spoiled by their successful yuppy parents!

you have it back to front , due to thier redicolous pay demands , we have a generation of spoiled parents who will ruin thier childrens future

Ulysses Gaze

Fair enough, but I was charged €6.00 for a cup of coffee in fooking Tullamore!!

€6.00 for a cup of Coffee in BIFFOLand? That's just regular coffee? They didn't put whiskey in it or something?

FFS

hooradiation

thatsa spicy wrote: »

Yes, it will change Ireland for the better. A mentality has been built up in this country over the last few years that life is meant to be good and that its the norm for their to be enough resources for everybody. Hopefully this recession will be a kick in the spine for these **** and make them realise that they're wrong. Hopefully the teenagers in the next decade won't have enough financial resources to be spoilt; they might learn to appreciate this beautiful life they've been fcuking gven without getting a fiver for their lunch everyday.

Yeah! who do these people think they are not being miserable all the time.

Bloody cheek......

ejmaztec

Caco wrote: »

It'll make the youth of today respect what they have a little more, and if they think that they haven't got enough, they will resort to burglary and gbh

fyp

CliffHuxtabel

Caoimhín wrote: »

Hopefully it will make people think twice about charging or paying €7 for a cup of coffee.

I have thought for a long time that what was needed in Ireland was a good, deep recession.

damn straight.

ideally this whole recession phenonemon will bring back some sort of quality and raise standards in our economy and society.

it probably wont though

seraphimvc

not a chance.i seriously doubt that will people give a damn if a meteor is crushing on this island -

people just dont give a damn.

at some point,i feel that this is the only nation which actually enjoy recession.......

davyjose

Poor Uncle Tom wrote: »

Paid €9 for a cup of coffee outside the Hotel Paris in Monte Carlo five years ago, and €10 outside Hotel Mecinatte Palace in Rome three ish years ago. Sometimes the atmosphere makes it worth it.

Is that why you're poor?

bug

No.
I've come to the conclusion that the Irish are political and economic idiots with no balls, social responsibility, or long term planning.
Full of confused new wave illogical leftists or "divide and conquer" power hungry capitalists.

If this was another country the dail would have been over run by now.

Welcome to Ireland, 2009. Legacy of idiots.

ei.sdraob

bug wrote: »

No.
I've come to the conclusion that the Irish are political and economic idiots with no balls, social responsibility, or long term planning.
Full of confused new wave illogical leftists or "divide and conquer" power hungry capitalists.
.

where do you fit on this spectrum?

NickNolte

bug wrote: »

No.
I've come to the conclusion that the Irish are political and economic idiots with no balls, social responsibility, or long term planning.
Full of confused new wave illogical leftists or "divide and conquer" power hungry capitalists.

If this was another country the dail would have been over run by now.

Welcome to Ireland, 2009. Legacy of idiots.

Yes... because Ireland hasn't always been like this...

LoanShark

At least now and hopefully going forward..:o People will know the value of a Euro..
The idea of paying through the nose for a house with no back yard or parking was going to catch up with us sometime...

Our serious over the top wages and expenses also had to come to an end.

I do though think people are now being a bit more nicer and less self involved towards each other.

segaBOY

It may change us for the better.

I am sick of having to listen to people boasting about how much money they earned on this job, how many holidays they took or how much they spent on drink last night over the last few years. Money was the be all end all.

In my view Ireland was living on credit. Sure there was a lot of flash cars-but a lot of red bank accounts.

Will do no harm to bring people back to earth, will probably make us nicer as people too in a weird kind of way.

segaBOY

Caoimhín wrote: »

Fair enough, but I was charged €6.00 for a cup of coffee in fooking Tullamore!!

:eek: Tullaf**kingmore???????????

brendansmith

segaBOY wrote: »

In my view Ireland was living on credit.

Proof?

m5ex9oqjawdg2i

Caoimhín wrote: »

Hopefully it will make people think twice about charging or paying €7 for a cup of coffee.

I have thought for a long time that what was needed in Ireland was a good, deep recession.

Where would you pay €7 for a coffee??? I think you are telling porkies

Pygmalion

It's turning previously sensible people into "BAWWW THE FORDINERS ARE TOOKING MY JABS".

It's also turning complete idiots into people who are now convinced they understand economics and politics inside and out because they now watch the news once a week and overheard a few lads on the bus.

davyjose

brendansmith wrote: »

Proof?

http://www.nama.ie/

fcussen

thatsa spicy wrote: »

Yes, it will change Ireland for the better. A mentality has been built up in this country over the last few years that life is meant to be good and that its the norm for their to be enough resources for everybody. Hopefully this recession will be a kick in the spine for these **** and make them realise that they're wrong. Hopefully the teenagers in the next decade won't have enough financial resources to be spoilt; they might learn to appreciate this beautiful life they've been fcuking gven without getting a fiver for their lunch everyday.

Yeah what's wrong with all these kids? Why can't they wallow in misery and have low expectations like the rest of us.

congo_90

will the recession change ireland? sure why not otherwise it wouldn't be a recession!

job losses
luxury cafes serving coffee and some hand baked scone for 8euro will close
hotels are fooked

finally prices are dropping. Suddenly peeople realise just how much companies were marking things up (fair play to em though).
Home improvements will go up because suddenly people will realise a 3 year old house isnt that old after all and no need to move out.

Things are quiet which is nice when having a quiet pint in town rahter than a loada showoffs coming in flashing 50's at the bar man trying to be something their not *chip on shoulder*

People begin thinking of cheap feeds like coddle *nyom*

fryup

Will this recession change Ireland?

well maybe we'll revert back to being down to earth irish instead of middle class wannabe's with mid-atlantic accents:cool:

irish_bob

bug wrote: »

No.
I've come to the conclusion that the Irish are political and economic idiots with no balls, social responsibility, or long term planning.
Full of confused new wave illogical leftists or "divide and conquer" power hungry capitalists.

If this was another country the dail would have been over run by now.

Welcome to Ireland, 2009. Legacy of idiots.

the former greatly outnumbers the latter , an attitude of eat the rich permeates at nearly all levels right now

Lollipops23

Caco wrote: »

Hopefully it'll make the youth of today respect what they have a little more... the celtic tiger ruined a generation of kids who were overly spoiled by their successful yuppy parents!

And yet there was a research thingy-bob they were talking about last week about how teens havn't really been affected by the R-word, they still buy the same clothes etc even though their parents have made cutbacks.


I was wondering that last year when it all kicked off, I asked my step dad. He said that Ireland will have experienced at least another boom and another crash by the time my kids are in their teens...that was depressing...

foxyboxer

An investor once went to a farm in texas on some business to meet the owner.

A man in a check shirt, dusty jeans and boots in need of a good clean came to meet him.

The investor asked him "Do you know where the owner of this farm is?"

The man replied "I am the owner"

The investor could not get his head around the notion that this man in his tattered state could be the owner of such a vast fortune.

The man expalined to the investor "Here, in Texas, we have a saying "BIG HAT, NO CATTLE". I may not be wearing a pristine suit or driving a brand new pick up, but I am a very wealthy man"



During the Celtic Tiger years 1994 to 2007, our society (especially the middle classes) embraced the notion and ideals of materialism. The very idea that 'stuff' made us happier. Living the pop culture definition of being a millionaire on the industrial wage. We were sold a lifestyle of land rovers, 5 bed detached houses, tommy hilfiger, Jimmy Choo. We could have it all and we borrowed into it wholsesale.



The concept of 'keeping up with the joneses' was very much apparant. For example, people getting new cars every year so that the reg was the current year. What we realised now, was that the status symbols and the rampant materialism was all a facade. Financed primarily through credit. I believe that the 'must have it now' mentality will disappear quicker than the credit which funds it.



I hope that as a country we feel ashamed at the gaudiness of conspicuous consumption that we witnessed especially in this decade. I am not advocating that it's not right to own luxury things, but there's admiration for anyone who has worked hard and buys these things without credit as a justified reward.



We should be more focused on the health, education and development of our children.

It angers me that the government were spending vast amounts of money on vanity projects while this money could have been used more prudently on health and education.

.

BaZmO*

foxyboxer wrote: »

For example, people getting new cars every year so that the reg was the current year. The proliferation of status symbols such as the Mercs, the gold rolexes, the country house etc were here too.

Maybe I move in the wrong circles but I certainly never experienced that within my peer group. There were definitely excesses but certainly not to that extent, not in my experience.

Kipperhell

bug wrote: »

No.
I've come to the conclusion that the Irish are political and economic idiots with no balls, social responsibility, or long term planning.
Full of confused new wave illogical leftists or "divide and conquer" power hungry capitalists.

If this was another country the dail would have been over run by now.

Welcome to Ireland, 2009. Legacy of idiots.

This is just hysterical. I have heard similar rants all my life and it covers periods of time that many here obviously weren't around for. If you have ever seen a child give their opinion and it is apparent it is the parent's view you know the feeling I get from hearing this kind of stuff.

I am still waiting to see the liberal agenda that has been in play for the past 30 years.

Your not alone my father-in-law makes up his mind based on headlines too.

Degsy

Maybe now that the normal joe soap has seen the realities of dole queues and increased taxation to support them,people will no longer be blase about the existence of professional dole scroungers..you know..people who make more money on the dole than the average working stiff AND get everything paid for.
This should've been adressed during the Celtic Tiger years but everybody thought as a country we could afford it.

thatsa spicy

hooradiation wrote: »

Yeah! who do these people think they are not being miserable all the time.

Bloody cheek......

Harldy EVER before in history were the conditions of living as brilliant in a country as they were during the boom years of his country.

Pre-civilisation human life consisted of waking up and procuring your sustinence for the day. They likely had some days with enough food to fill themselves and some days without. Were they miserable the whole time? I doubt it; otherwise our brains wouldn't have evolved an ability to let us laugh.

Civilised human life, for almost the entirity of its duration, consisted of absolute poverty for the majority and I doubt they went about in gloom the whole time.

So why should our little darling Celtic Tiger cubs be insulated from cradle to grave from having to ever live through conditions of financial or material scarcity? Fcuk them. (I should also say that it would be naive to compare the, still, absolutely great living conditions we enjoy in this first world country today, to the conditions of years gone by but people in this country seem to still think we have it unbelievably bad :rolleyes:)

I'm not saying that ALL teenagers who lived through the boom have no concept of what its like to not have what they want or to not have a job at the ready, but in fairness, the mental reserve and self-motivation of a lot of teenagers in the last decade in this country has become flabby. Even sitting in school I noticed that people were dozy as hell and showed no incentive, because they were used to having stuff handed to it on a plate.

Hopefully they'll discover that life owes them fcuking nothing and the'll be better for it in the long run.

Oh, and if the cubs are miserable cause they dont have money for clothes, a car, going out or drinking, well boo-fcuking-hoo