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steddyeddy wrote: »

Not sucked dry in a good way right?

Honestly Ed? Only if you are equally hard of heart and willy and can pump and dump. You're not. You're an actual nice bloke and would get sucked in. And no, not in a good way you bloody perve.

Czarcasm wrote: »

Of course attraction is biological, but that tells us nothing about how attractive we might be to other people, so it's a pointless statememt.

It does to some degree. Some people are more attractive to a greater range of people than others. They cast a wider net.

If human beings were hard wired to find certain physical traits attractive, then that would make the whole thing easier. I could tell you I like Adele. Does that mean I'm hard wired to find fat girls attractive? No it doesn't, it just means I like Adele. I also like Mila Kunis.

One could argue there are gender differences here. The female ideal of physical beauty is highly variable over time and culture and can change equally rapidly. Miss World of say 1950 wouldn't get past local heats in the competition today(and vice versa). Whereas the male ideal of physical beauty is remarkably consistent. A 3000 year old ancient Greek male statue made flesh walking out of the surf like Jimmy Bond would rev female engines as much as Daniel Craig. Men's tastes vary more than women's as a general rule. Look at porn(that's an order! for research purposes ). High fashion, Cosmo and Vogue are remarkably out of whack(no pun) with what men choose to look at and what turns them on. Fat women are big(sorry) in porn. It's a whole genre(BBW). Tall skinny waif like fashion model porn doesn't. MILFs and mature, all the way up to grannies is another popular genre. You will find a greater range of "real" women in porn than you ever will in "real women" campaigns of cynical advertisers. If a woman ever felt bad about her self image I would suggest she looks at porn and I'll guarantee she'll find her doppleganger in there, maybe a whole genre dedicated to her.

On the other hand when women look at porn do they search for fat/old/scrawny men? Do romance novels and other media show these kinds of men? Rarely enough.

There are some hardwired female attraction traits though, traits that share cultures and times. Hip waist ratio for one. The Venus de Milo, Kate Moss, Marilyn Monroe and the nudes of Degas et al share the same ratio. Even the massively corpulent late paleolithic Venus's share this ratio. When men do that Sid James stylee mime of women's shape in the air, that's the ratio. Both Adele and Mila while slightly outside it and of massively different sizes aren't too far off it. Clear soft wrinkle free skin another one. Lustrous hair. Larger lips and forehead, smaller jaw, large eyes. All are indicators of fertility in women and both Mila and Adele have these features.

It's akin to the argument that suggests that human beings are biologically programmed to reproduce, that we're hard wired to diversify out genetic material,

We kinda are. You are the end result of it and men and women that didn't died out(interestingly far more male lines died out over time. A smaller pool of men reproduced with a much larger pool of women).

that men with biggger balls are hard wired to spread their superior genetic material to propagate the human race.

Going by the other great apes it seems human males lay somewhere in the middle. They don't have harems by default, neither are they lifetime monogamous, nor are they constantly promiscuous. More like serial pair bonding monogamy for long enough to raise kids to toddler age. That of course is incredibly simplistic as culture and intelligence brings very big guns to bear on our mating strategies. The most we can say about humans is we are incredibly reproductively diverse and adaptable depending on environment.

It's, all, waffle. We're not neanderthal animals any more. We have evolved.

We have, but the early programming didn't get altogether thrown out. BTW it seems Neandertals were monogamous and had birth rates and intervals similar to ourselves. Living in isolated small family groups with one or two couples. We were and are more gregarious and lived in bigger groups that were more socially fluid. So a Neandertal lady would be a good bet for fidelity and childbearing, but death by snu snu would be a real danger*:pac:





*they didn't have the hip waist ratio of us either. May explain why the gene flow seems to have gone from Neandertal dudes to modern human dudesses. Hey Ug that Neandertal bastard is lookin at me bird! Eh, I'd let him Og, I'd let him...:D

sun structures wrote: »

After no luck whatsoever with online dating i've taken it upon myself to approach a few girls in public settings. Will report back.

Fair play SS. Women are everywhere. Mad idea I know. You may get a few knockbacks as it may be a bit strange to some, but unlike the pub/bar scene where people are usually pissed and women too often get approached by an assortment of mongs, pests and drunken weirdos(and are naturally wary)*, at least in the daytime just going about your day that pressure isn't there. Have a bit of craic and contrary to some perceptions, people(and that includes women! W. T. F.:eek::eek:) are sociable and like a bit of banter and like the compliment that interest pays. A genuine hello and how are you that goes beyond the rehearsed small talk will lift a persons day.





*my record on here will show I'm no whinging "Ireland is shíte" type, but I have noticed that drunken blokes and drunken defensive blokesses is a lot worse here(UK is pretty similar).