STOVES questions and answers here(see mod note in post 1)

Stove Fan · 07-08-2012 1:30pm

minirolo wrote: »

Thanks Stove Fan for going to so much trouble, looks like you were up later than me !
Our house is a little over 3000 square feet, 5 bed, with a large section open plan down stairs, it's south west facing on the coast so has lots of large windows. The room the stove is going into has 5 large windows with a ceiling height of 2.75. So I'm thinking output to the room of over 4 might be ok. WOuld you think dropping to the EB16HE would be a better plan? Or maybe I could go with the woodwarm fireview 20kw, or stanley reginald.......decisions decisions

thanks again you're a star

Hi, if you can afford the extra for the woodwarm fireview then do that as it has good power to the water and low 3.7kw to room.

Your next best option is the Aarrow EB16HE stove as like you say 2.5-8kw to room. Your room probably requires around 5kw now as I only quoted it at 2.4m ceiling height. You have the double doors too the main rooms so leaving them open should let the heat escape to other areas:)

I personally would't go with the stanley reginald as to be honest there is no advantage in boiler performance, may as well have a higher rated boiler the EB16. the stanley reginald is virtually the same as the Aarrow EB12HE stove. If going lower output buy the EB12 although would heat less rads than the EB16.

None of them will heat all the rads but the higher the boiler output the more rads they will heat. You may decide to go for a lower heat output like the EB12HE and just heat about 5 double rads. If more output needed the EB16.

Stove Fan:)

Marvic · 08-08-2012 8:19am

Can anyone please give an approximate plumbing charge for the installation of a Boru 600 I insert stove.Distance from hot press to fire place is about 10 metres and a some hall tiles will have to be lifted.Also cement sitting room floor will have to be cut for piping.

I have been quoted 2,500 all in for the job with 1,700 extra for the stove and wonder if this is a fair price.

seannash · 08-08-2012 1:09pm

Okay so I'm trying to get the running costs for a stove with a backboiler and to be honest I cant get any sort of an answer on any websites.Some people are saying that it doesn't save you money to run a stove at all.

So can someone who is using a stove with a backboiler to suppliment there heating system please tell me what they spend per year on wood.

I understand that insulation is a big factor so please dont go down the route of "your looking at this the wrong way"

I'm just not sure if its working out cheaper to run even though I'm very aware gas and oil prices are only going up(so will the price of logs relative to demand)

Thanks

Stove Fan · 08-08-2012 4:08pm

Marvic wrote: »

Can anyone please give an approximate plumbing charge for the installation of a Boru 600 I insert stove.Distance from hot press to fire place is about 10 metres and a some hall tiles will have to be lifted.Also cement sitting room floor will have to be cut for piping.

I have been quoted 2,500 all in for the job with 1,700 extra for the stove and wonder if this is a fair price.

I really don't know whats fully involved, all I would say is get other quotes:).

It sounds like the fire is quite a way from the hotpress and the pipes have to go under the concrete floor? If this is the case at the stove side a large heat leak rad would need installing in the event of a powercut and the pump not running as with the pipes dropping down to the floor and across and up to the cylinder this would be a fully pumped system and not gravity circulation to the hot water cylinder, hence the need for a large gravity rad at the stove end.

Stove Fan:)

Stove Fan · 08-08-2012 4:33pm

seannash wrote: »

Okay so I'm trying to get the running costs for a stove with a backboiler and to be honest I cant get any sort of an answer on any websites.Some people are saying that it doesn't save you money to run a stove at all.

So can someone who is using a stove with a backboiler to suppliment there heating system please tell me what they spend per year on wood.

I understand that insulation is a big factor so please dont go down the route of "your looking at this the wrong way"

I'm just not sure if its working out cheaper to run even though I'm very aware gas and oil prices are only going up(so will the price of logs relative to demand)

Thanks

Hi:) there are lots of things that affect what people spend on heating not just insulation levels, time on, elderly who like it warmer than most. number of rads ie different kw outputs required for house size etc.

We use a multifuel boiler stove as our only form of heating in a 100sqm detatched older bungalow. The stove heats 10kw of demand. 5 rads and hot water.

Not this winter but the very cold one we spent 600 euros worth of polish coal:).

This mild winter using spruce wood 900euro:eek: We bought the wood as it's less dusty and we like the green credentials, but as you can see wood here is just too dear. We paid 60 euro a cubic metre.
On our next house we are installing the same heating system:D but will be mostly using coal. Use firewood around Christmass for the effect:)
My grandparents are retired and like the rads everywhere on full and a good fire going as being 80 they feel the cold even though the house is hot!!
We light the fire from around mid September to begginning of April and is lit approximately 13 hours a day.

I have no idea on oil here but in France we used 600litres in 5-6 weeks:eek: We sold the boiler for a 50% loss 12 months after buying it new as the oil was unaffordable at 76.9c a litre. Fortunately sold it to someone who wanted it for their holiday cottage, so very little use.
Firewood though was only 30 euro for the same as here but seasoned better.

Here I would definately say Coal is the cheapest.

The ideal really is a dual system. Solid fuel and oil as backup when you don't want to light the fire.

For us I would definately say we are saving at least 500 euro a year on heating costs.

I certainly don't miss the oil boiler:rolleyes: How much is oil here? In France we ditched the oil boiler when it got to 76.9c a litre:eek:

Stove Fan:)

seannash · 08-08-2012 4:44pm

Stove Fan wrote: »

Hi:) there are lots of things that affect what people spend on heating not just insulation levels, time on, elderly who like it warmer than most. number of rads ie different kw outputs required for house size etc.

We use a multifuel boiler stove as our only form of heating in a 100sqm detatched older bungalow. The stove heats 10kw of demand. 5 rads and hot water.

Not this winter but the very cold one we spent 600 euros worth of polish coal:).

This mild winter using spruce wood 900euro:eek: We bought the wood as it's less dusty and we like the green credentials, but as you can see wood here is just too dear. We paid 60 euro a cubic metre.
On our next house we are installing the same heating system:D but will be mostly using coal. Use firewood around Christmass for the effect:)
My grandparents are retired and like the rads everywhere on full and a good fire going as being 80 they feel the cold even though the house is hot!!
We light the fire from around mid September to begginning of April and is lit approximately 13 hours a day.

I have no idea on oil here but in France we used 600litres in 5-6 weeks:eek:
Firewood though was only 30 euro for the same as here but seasoned better.

Here I would definately say Coal is the cheapest.

The ideal really is a dual system. Solid fuel and oil as backup when you don't want to light the fire.

For us I would definately say we are saving at least 500 euro a year on heating costs.

I certainly don't miss the oil boiler:rolleyes: How much is oil here? In France we ditched the oil boiler when it got to 76.9c a litre:eek:

Stove Fan:)

Perfect reply

.We certainly wouldn't have the fire going for 13hours every day so I could probably conservatively take a bit off your €900 euro for wood.

I am planning on having a wood stove with Gas as backup for when we dont want to light a fire(because its on the street and because I want gas for cooking)
Can I ask,your hot water tank,how long would the water in it stay hot enough for heating?
Really appreciate the reply

Stove Fan · 08-08-2012 5:04pm

seannash wrote: »

Perfect reply .We certainly wouldn't have the fire going for 13hours every day so I could probably conservatively take a bit off your €900 euro for wood.

I am planning on having a wood stove with Gas as backup for when we dont want to light a fire(because its on the street and because I want gas for cooking)
Can I ask,your hot water tank,how long would the water in it stay hot enough for heating?
Really appreciate the reply

We have no thermal store, if thats what you meant but presume washing rather than heating.
It takes around 2 hours to heat the standard hot water cylinder (36 inch by 18inch) from tepid to hot using the boiler stove, less if it's already warmish. Once hot it lasts most of the day unless several showers are taken. We have a power shower so uses the stored hot water and I'm in there for 15-20 mins showering so can almost use all the hot water. If you only had a quick shower you could get at least 3 showers out of the hot water.
We also use the hot water for washing the lunchtime plates/cups etc and have a dishwasher that is cold fill only.
In the summer/warmer months we just use the immersion heater and have it timed to come on for 2hours a night on cheap rate electricity. This seems sufficient for us. Sometimes giving the water a boost inbetween showers when needed.

Stove Fan:)

seannash · 08-08-2012 7:46pm

Stove Fan wrote: »

We have no thermal store, if thats what you meant but presume washing rather than heating.
It takes around 2 hours to heat the standard hot water cylinder (36 inch by 18inch) from tepid to hot using the boiler stove, less if it's already warmish. Once hot it lasts most of the day unless several showers are taken. We have a power shower so uses the stored hot water and I'm in there for 15-20 mins showering so can almost use all the hot water. If you only had a quick shower you could get at least 3 showers out of the hot water.
We also use the hot water for washing the lunchtime plates/cups etc and have a dishwasher that is cold fill only.
In the summer/warmer months we just use the immersion heater and have it timed to come on for 2hours a night on cheap rate electricity. This seems sufficient for us. Sometimes giving the water a boost inbetween showers when needed.

Stove Fan:)

Well I was curious about heating really,for the mornings.So if we had a fire going at night would the water stored in the tank last to do the heating in the morning?Gonna be using an electric shower.

Stove Fan · 08-08-2012 9:21pm

seannash wrote: »

Well I was curious about heating really,for the mornings.So if we had a fire going at night would the water stored in the tank last to do the heating in the morning?Gonna be using an electric shower.

If you fitted a highly insulated thermal store, then yes the hot water stored in it would certainly heat the rads for so long backed up by the gas boiler until the fire was lit again. If you want serious efficiency burning just wood consider a wood gasification boiler instead.

My only concern with this is mains gas has got to be one of the cheaper heating options and so you have to consider cost of installation.

You may find your home is suitable for a gas combination boiler and just have a non boiler stove instead.

Stove Fan:)

seannash · 08-08-2012 10:37pm

Stove Fan wrote: »

If you fitted a highly insulated thermal store, then yes the hot water stored in it would certainly heat the rads for so long backed up by the gas boiler until the fire was lit again. If you want serious efficiency burning just wood consider a wood gasification boiler instead.

My only concern with this is mains gas has got to be one of the cheaper heating options and so you have to consider cost of installation.

You may find your home is suitable for a gas combination boiler and just have a non boiler stove instead.

Stove Fan:)

Not sure if its a gasification boiler to be honest
http://www.edilkamin.com/en/termocamini/termocamino_h2oceano_15.aspx

I'm just thinking that whilst I'm at this stage where I can put in a dual system I should do it as the price of gas is rising.
I wouldn't be installing a stove if I was running solely on gas,I would just leave a open fire there just for the look.
I grew up in a home where an open fire was lit every night in the winter and figured that I may aswell have the benefit of it providing some heating for the rest of the home if I'm gonna have a lit fire anyway

Stove Fan · 08-08-2012 11:13pm

seannash wrote: »

Not sure if its a gasification boiler to be honest
http://www.edilkamin.com/en/termocamini/termocamino_h2oceano_15.aspx

I'm just thinking that whilst I'm at this stage where I can put in a dual system I should do it as the price of gas is rising.
I wouldn't be installing a stove if I was running solely on gas,I would just leave a open fire there just for the look.
I grew up in a home where an open fire was lit every night in the winter and figured that I may aswell have the benefit of it providing some heating for the rest of the home if I'm gonna have a lit fire anyway

Not sure on the fire but not bad efficiency at 80% A proper external log gasification boiler is around 90%+ but probably want a focal point fire rather than a solid fuel/gasification boiler in an outbuilding.
If you have a fire lit anyway then the stove with boiler is way better than a wasteful open fire:D
All fuels will rise it's just knowing which is rising the least:D Coal seems to cost us between 130-150 for 10x 40kg bags of suttons premium polish coal Paid 13 euro a bag when on offer.

Stove Fan:)

seannash · 08-08-2012 11:51pm

Stove Fan wrote: »

Not sure on the fire but not bad efficiency at 80% A proper external log gasification boiler is around 90%+ but probably want a focal point fire rather than a solid fuel/gasification boiler in an outbuilding.
If you have a fire lit anyway then the stove with boiler is way better than a wasteful open fire:D
All fuels will rise it's just knowing which is rising the least:D Coal seems to cost us between 130-150 for 10x 40kg bags of suttons premium polish coal Paid 13 euro a bag when on offer.

Stove Fan:)

Yeah Its a bit of a guessing game regarding fuel prices rising.
This fire isn't multifuel though so its wood for me for the foreseeable future.

Not too happy with that but its a compromise I'll have to make to get the look I want I suppose.
Really hoping to get it right in regards insualtion and heating system.
Cant find any reviews of that particular stove but they have been making them since the 60's so hopefully they'll be good quality

Audioslaven · 11-08-2012 10:35pm

Stove Fan wrote: »

I have no idea on how good the olymberyl stoves are but I personally would consider this clearance Dunsley highlander enviroburn 5 in the clearance sale.
http://www.stovesonline.co.uk/clearance_stoves.html I would offer £500 and haggle like mad for delivery of no more than £65
Dunsley are very well made and are a good brand and get good reviews on http://www.whatstove.co.uk/dunsley-stoves/dunsley-highlander-5.html
Get them to send you a photo to see condition. should be very good.

Stove Fan:)

Stove Fan,

I took a spin down to Murphys in Kinvara and they have a Nestor Martin S13 which also allows external air supply. I was impressed with it for a 5 KW as the box was big enough for fuel. Alot of the 5 KW are usually pretty small and the turf has to be small enough
Any ideas on these stoves. The salesman was pretty impressed with them. Any opinions on these?

I was looking at the one on your link but I was thinking for any support may be a pain having to always go to UK.

Cheers Audioslaven

Stove Fan · 11-08-2012 11:36pm

Audioslaven wrote: »

Stove Fan,

I took a spin down to Murphys in Kinvara and they have a Nestor Martin S13 which also allows external air supply. I was impressed with it for a 5 KW as the box was big enough for fuel. Alot of the 5 KW are usually pretty small and the turf has to be small enough
Any ideas on these stoves. The salesman was pretty impressed with them. Any opinions on these?

I was looking at the one on your link but I was thinking for any support may be a pain having to always go to UK.

Cheers Audioslaven

Hi, I'm afraid I have no direct experiance of nestor martin except there was someone on boards who was having a few teething troubles with one.
See reviews here. http://www.whatstove.co.uk/nestor-martin-stoves/harmony-13-stove.html The main issues seems the grate spinning wheel jams with heat. The air controls are awkward to adjust with alan key.

I do see your point on a UK sourced stove but generally no problem to post parts if not sold here. Stove glass and firebricks can be bought and cut to size here as most stove manufacturers now use vermiculite board firebricks.
In the 2 winters we have had our villager boiler stove we haven't needed to buy any replacement part and it gets heavy use all winter (7months use) (only heat source) burning smoky coal, not recommended for our stove as it burns very hot:rolleyes: There has been no distortion:)

How much is the Nestor martin?

I quite like the woodwarm foxfire, but it's £900:eek:
http://www.woodwarmstoves.co.uk/products/fireview-range/4kwmultifuelstove.ashx

Stove Fan:)

Audioslaven · 12-08-2012 12:06am

Stove Fan wrote: »

Hi, I'm afraid I have no direct experiance of nestor martin except there was someone on boards who was having a few teething troubles with one.
See reviews here. http://www.whatstove.co.uk/nestor-martin-stoves/harmony-13-stove.html The main issues seems the grate spinning wheel jams with heat. The air controls are awkward to adjust with alan key.

I do see your point on a UK sourced stove but generally no problem to post parts if not sold here. Stove glass and firebricks can be bought and cut to size here as most stove manufacturers now use vermiculite board firebricks.
In the 2 winters we have had our villager boiler stove we haven't needed to buy any replacement part and it gets heavy use all winter (7months use) (only heat source) burning smoky coal, not recommended for our stove as it burns very hot:rolleyes: There has been no distortion:)

How much is the Nestor martin?

I quite like the woodwarm foxfire, but it's £900:eek:
http://www.woodwarmstoves.co.uk/products/fireview-range/4kwmultifuelstove.ashx

Stove Fan:)

Cheers SF, thats actually a different stove. I think its the stanford version or S13 for short. The sales man said they are not for everyone as you need to use the allen key and some people find it offputting but that once you know how to use it there is no hassle. Very hard to get reviews on it on the net. Its coming in at 950 for the matt and 1100 for satin finish. I like the idea of external air supply(40 euro extra). I was also looking at the charwood c4 but that has a very small box. I was also looking at the stovax huntingdon 25. I was thinking the Nestor Martin as the box was that bit bigger.

Stove Fan · 12-08-2012 12:23am

Audioslaven wrote: »

Cheers SF, thats actually a different stove. I think its the stanford version or S13 for short. very hard to get reviews on it on the net. Its coming in at 950 for the matt and 1100 for satin finish. I like the idea of external air supply(40 euro extra). I was also looking at the charwood c4 but that has a very small box. I was also looking at the stovax huntingdon 25. I was thinking the Nestor Martin as the box was that bit bigger.

The external air supply is a big plus if your house is very airtight:) If it is very airtight it would need an external wall vent/optional air kit.
If your home is not airtight and an older home, no vent is needed under 5kw. I did see a photo of the stanford, looks quite smart.

On the Country 4 there isn't an external air option only on the cove and island range.

I do like the C four in almond:)
http://www.charnwood.com/range/stove/cfour.aspx

The country 4 is well made.

I myself would be more inclined to go with Charnwood if an external air supply stove isn't a must.

Stove Fan:)

Audioslaven · 12-08-2012 12:32am

Stove Fan wrote: »

The external air supply is a big plus if your house is very airtight:) If it is very airtight it would need an external wall vent/optional air kit.
If your home is not airtight and an older home, no vent is needed under 5kw. I did see a photo of the stanford, looks quite smart.

On the Country 4 there isn't an external air option only on the cove and island range.

I do like the C four in almond:)
http://www.charnwood.com/range/stove/cfour.aspx

The country 4 is well made.

I myself would be more inclined to go with Charnwood if an external air supply stove isn't a must.

Stove Fan:)

ya the C4 is coming in just over 1k and has the external air kit already on it. I didnt see it in person as he had none in stock.

The charnwood is steel body over the Nestor Martin a cast body. It appears the general gist is that cast is better as it holds the heat longer, however it does take longer to heat up. I think its either the nestor or c4.

Stove Fan · 12-08-2012 12:43am

Audioslaven wrote: »

ya the C4 is coming in just over 1k and has the external air kit already on it. I didnt see it in person as he had none in stock.

The charnwood is steel body over the Nestor Martin a cast body. It appears the general gist is that cast is better as it holds the heat longer, however it does take longer to heat up. I think its either the nestor or c4.

I just looked at the spec and as you say the C4 has the external air option:D

I would go with this well founded maker:)

Yep cast does take a bit longer to heat up but retains heat when the fire has gone out. I prefer steel though as less likely to crack and quicker to heat up. Both have good and bad points.

Stove Fan:)

Rob_talisman · 12-08-2012 6:00pm

Thought id post a few picture updates.

Lintel in and fire boards fitted.

Concreate base laid.

Me and the boy signed it.

Rob_talisman · 12-08-2012 6:04pm

Had the HETAS engineer come and rip the old flue out and did the smoke test, all good so new pot and cowl fitted.

Then laid the slates.

Rob_talisman · 12-08-2012 6:08pm

Fitted skirting around the base next.

And grouted it this morning.

Then ive put Oak Wood Effect tiles around the fireplace ( not sure i like this at all at the mo...:()

And painted the skirting.

Next after it all dries i need to grout the fireplace tiles. give it a good clean and seal the slate. then paint the fireboard a light chocolate brown colour.

Im hoping with all that done ill like the tiles around the fireplace. Then re patch the wallpaper.

Stove Fan · 12-08-2012 8:26pm

Rob_talisman wrote: »

Fitted skirting around the base next.

And grouted it this morning.

Then ive put Oak Wood Effect tiles around the fireplace ( not sure i like this at all at the mo...:()

And painted the skirting.

Next after it all dries i need to grout the fireplace tiles. give it a good clean and seal the slate. then paint the fireboard a light chocolate brown colour.

Im hoping with all that done ill like the tiles around the fireplace. Then re patch the wallpaper.

Love the slate hearth, like the different texture/ natural face:) As you say the chocolate emulsion inside could well blend the wood effect surround tiles with the background:cool:.
What stove are you going for?

Looking good so far.

Stove Fan:)

Rob_talisman · 12-08-2012 8:45pm

got it last year mate, the Hunter Kestrel 5

Stuart Piercy · 12-08-2012 9:02pm

Hi everyone, does anyone have any reviews of the above boilers? just trying to sift my way through so many brochures at the minute and it seems a bit of a mine field.

The other option i had looked at was the TR 25 25kw output Approx 6kw Room Heat 19kw to radiators (Approx 14-16 radiators).

Any help on boilers this sort of size would be much appreciated.

Many Thanks

Stuart

Stove Fan · 13-08-2012 10:04pm

Stuart Piercy wrote: »

Hi everyone, does anyone have any reviews of the above boilers? just trying to sift my way through so many brochures at the minute and it seems a bit of a mine field.

The other option i had looked at was the TR 25 25kw output Approx 6kw Room Heat 19kw to radiators (Approx 14-16 radiators).

Any help on boilers this sort of size would be much appreciated.

Many Thanks

Stuart

Hi:), Which above boiler stoves?

What size is your room where the stove is going and what age/insulation has the house got? Is there more than one internal door from the room with stove to other rooms, ie double doors, singles from living room to other rooms?

We need this information as first we certainly need a room size to work out what stove heat output is needed.
How many single rads and double rads?

see www.whatstove.co.uk for stove reviews by owners.

Stove Fan:)

cmccarra · 15-08-2012 4:48pm

Stuart Piercy wrote: »

Hi everyone, does anyone have any reviews of the above boilers? just trying to sift my way through so many brochures at the minute and it seems a bit of a mine field.

The other option i had looked at was the TR 25 25kw output Approx 6kw Room Heat 19kw to radiators (Approx 14-16 radiators).

Any help on boilers this sort of size would be much appreciated.

Many Thanks

Stuart

The best thing to do is do your wee bit of research and then pop into a local store, its hard to beat physically touching the thing and having a good chat with the sales man. A lot of the time they would be able to tell you what best suits your needs straight off. Where are you situated anyway? I recommend these lads up beside me, might not be near you though but its worth a look - www.murrayfireplaces.ie/stoves

jj58 · 18-08-2012 8:41am

my experience of stove,
the small compact stoves with big output to boiler work very good when small and big fire, nice heat to rads

the big stove with big output to boiler and big fire box work good when theres a big fire but very poor when theres a small fire, heat seems to be going up chimney too much,
anyone seem to agree with that?
i have put in lots of differnt brand s of stoves over years and its hard to say whats good and whats not

Stove Fan · 18-08-2012 12:31pm

jj58 wrote: »

my experience of stove,
the small compact stoves with big output to boiler work very good when small and big fire, nice heat to rads

the big stove with big output to boiler and big fire box work good when theres a big fire but very poor when theres a small fire, heat seems to be going up chimney too much,
anyone seem to agree with that?
i have put in lots of differnt brand s of stoves over years and its hard to say whats good and whats not

I really can't say. I have only had 2 boiler stoves both villager with wraparound boiler. One with the 13kw boiler (AHI) woodburning only and a multifuel berkley integral 7.6 kw boiler. Both work very well at heating 12 and 5 rads. Takes around an hour to get them hot. You do need a good fire going though for the first hour but ok to close them up a bit once rads hot enough.

I do think you do get what you pay for with a stove, I can see that a narrower firebox may keep the fire in contact with the boiler more but certainly in the AHI that can fit 500mm long logs in I never had any complaints of boiler performance. In fact the AHI was heating 12 rads at total 12.6kw:eek:

There are different quality stoves ranging from poor to excellent. I really say buy a named brand with a good reputation.

I quite like the design of the Aarrow ecoboiler. I'm buying a woodwarm next time:D

Stove Fan:)

Rob_talisman · 18-08-2012 3:12pm

Well stove was suppose to be installed today, but put back to in the week....

Here the pics with the tiles grouted and the fire board painted. Cant really see any colour diff in the pics though....

cordni · 18-08-2012 4:10pm

Rob_talisman wrote: »

Well stove was suppose to be installed today, but put back to in the week....

Here the pics with the tiles grouted and the fire board painted. Cant really see any colour diff in the pics though....

Hi rob. Just wanted to say I am really enjoying your posts. It's great to see pics of progress. Looking forward to seeing final pics. I am getting stove in myself next week so will make sure to post up before and after pics. Thanks stove man also for the amazing advice u give. A true star

Rob_talisman · 18-08-2012 4:43pm

Thank you, i always tend to take before and after pics, bit of an old habbit. Good to look back on also

Stove Fan · 18-08-2012 6:12pm

Hi rob, looks great:) I bet you can't wait for the stove:D

I love taking before and after pictures too of renovation projects.

Cordni, we all like fireplace pictures:)

Stove Fan:)

cordni · 18-08-2012 8:48pm

Stove Fan wrote: »

Hi rob, looks great:) I bet you can't wait for the stove:D

I love taking before and after pictures too of renovation projects.

Cordni, we all like fireplace pictures:)
Hi stove fan and rob. Yes deffo love the before and after pics. To b Honest I initially wanted a stove that would heat rads but system won't allow that. Wanted a morso but found great deal on blacksmith for ☺€429 delivered. So if I get fIve years am happy. Then I will deffo get morso squirrel. Ok off now to clean house before stove man comes

mished · 19-08-2012 3:28pm

Can anyone tell me if it is possible to burn old laminate flooring in a stove ?

Thanks

Stove Fan · 19-08-2012 6:08pm

mished wrote: »

Can anyone tell me if it is possible to burn old laminate flooring in a stove ?

Thanks

Best not to burn it due to the chemicals it releases during burning. Best taking to the tip:D

Stove Fan:)

mished · 19-08-2012 6:47pm

Thanks stove fan, will put it in the skip so

Blanchguy · 20-08-2012 9:49am

Where's the best (cheapest) place to buy Morso replacement glass? Preferably somewhere that would deliver.

Mcorriga · 20-08-2012 11:38am

Blanchguy wrote: »

Where's the best (cheapest) place to buy Morso replacement glass? Preferably somewhere that would deliver.

Hi,

I dont have an answer for your question unfortunaltely but I have ordered a Morse Squirell from Ryans Stoves in yellowbridge...

I think they can also source replacememts..

Can you tell me how you are getting on with your Morso and why you have to change the glass??

Is it due to a fault??

Blanchguy · 20-08-2012 12:03pm

That's where I got mine, will give them a ring.

I found the stove excellent, it's about 6 years old at this stage, got plenty of hard use and this is the 1st problem I've had.

It's just a small crack on the corner of the glass, but I want to replace it before the winter.

Kaylee · 21-08-2012 1:17pm

We are looking to get a multi fuel stove installed which will heat water and about 9/12 rads.

Current set-up: gas effect fire in place, gas fired central heating, no back boiler. The sitting room is only about 13 sq m and the hot press is about 15 feet from the fire. The house is 12 years old and has never had a real fire lit in the chimney.

We have been quoted approx €5,000 for the job which will involve upgrading the existing gas boiler and changing the hot water tank that we have currently and using part of our mantlepiece that we have already. This quote includes an Inis stove for about €950. Says that it should take about 3 days to fully fit.

This is our first quote, is this reasonable?... btw, is it hard to get good installers? Finding it difficult to get people to come in and quote - maybe I'm not trying hard enough

This guy seemed to be very knowledgeable and has put in many stoves.

Any thoughts much appreciated...

Stove Fan · 21-08-2012 5:24pm

Kaylee wrote: »

We are looking to get a multi fuel stove installed which will heat water and about 9/12 rads.

Current set-up: gas effect fire in place, gas fired central heating, no back boiler. The sitting room is only about 13 sq m and the hot press is about 15 feet from the fire. The house is 12 years old and has never had a real fire lit in the chimney.

We have been quoted approx €5,000 for the job which will involve upgrading the existing gas boiler and changing the hot water tank that we have currently and using part of our mantlepiece that we have already. This quote includes an Inis stove for about €950. Says that it should take about 3 days to fully fit.

This is our first quote, is this reasonable?... btw, is it hard to get good installers? Finding it difficult to get people to come in and quote - maybe I'm not trying hard enough This guy seemed to be very knowledgeable and has put in many stoves.

Any thoughts much appreciated...

I'm very much into stoves but I have to say if you have mains gas, 5k would pay for a lot of gas:) If LPG then the stove would pay for itself after so long.

If you have mains gas personally you may be better going for a non boiler inset stove, much cheaper to install as no plumbing involved and still reducing the gas bill.
If this is the case a woodwarm enigma insert or fireview insert would be great.

Your small room only requires a 3kw stove output to room, I haven't looked at the inis room output but please check as I don't want the room to be too hot, so only having a small fire, and so not heating the rads hot enough.

I personally would consider an inset stove like the ESSE 350 greenswitch. 12kw to boiler 3.7kw to room.
Or if double doors to other rooms the Aarrow EB12HE inset stove. 12kw to water 5kw to room.

I can't really comment on the price as I haven't seen the job and what materials are involved.

Try and get further quotes:D

Stove Fan:)

Kaylee · 21-08-2012 9:03pm

Hi Stove Fan,

Thanks for that... yeh, just plain old mains gas

thought it was a bit pricey. Dont' get me wrong, we want this to be an investment and we are willing to pay for a good job... just not 5 grand :eek:

We have double doors leading to the dining/kitchen, the Aarrow EB12HE stove you recommended looks just like what I had in mind - not inset though, prefer the standing in the hearth look - ifykwim.

The idea of the back boiler heating the water and rads is appealing though... we were just a bit taken aback with the quote.

Stove Fan, if you have any stove installers that you would recommend in the Drogheda area, could you please pm me?

Stove Fan · 21-08-2012 9:32pm

Kaylee wrote: »

Hi Stove Fan,

Thanks for that... yeh, just plain old mains gas thought it was a bit pricey. Dont' get me wrong, we want this to be an investment and we are willing to pay for a good job... just not 5 grand :eek:

We have double doors leading to the dining/kitchen, the Aarrow EB12HE stove you recommended looks just like what I had in mind - not inset though, prefer the standing in the hearth look - ifykwim.

The idea of the back boiler heating the water and rads is appealing though... we were just a bit taken aback with the quote.

Stove Fan, if you have any stove installers that you would recommend in the Drogheda area, could you please pm me?

The double doors will help but dont get a stove with a high room heat. Don't forget if the stove is built into the brick/block fireplace opening it must have a 150mm gap each side of the stove and 300mm above to let the air circulate around the stove.

The EB12HE freestanding produces 6kw to the room and so is double the heat the room requires, it may get too warm even with the doors open.

Unfortunately I don't know any installers here:(

Try and get some more quotes and discuss the room heat requirements with your plumber.

Stove Fan:)

Kaylee · 21-08-2012 9:49pm

Ok, thanks for the advice in relation to the heat and circulation Stove Fan, much appreciated! Don't want to make any mistakes with this - we can't afford to

Anyways, the search continues...

Rob_talisman · 22-08-2012 1:36pm

Right all done and in. Need to wait 5 days for the mortot to dry between the plate and chimney (not that i need to use it in summer time...)

Just need to get a few tools to go at the side and all ready to go. Already got a wood store full of seasoned wood and a wood basket.

Rob_talisman · 22-08-2012 1:37pm

and the last 2 shots.

Kaylee · 22-08-2012 1:52pm

That looks great Rob, well done - pretty much what I'm after myself. What kind of stove is that, is it attached to a back boiler?

A pic of it when it's all fired up would be a good finale!

Stove Fan · 22-08-2012 5:23pm

Hi rob your fireplace looks great, really nice:)

Show us a photo of your hunter stove lit:D

Stove Fan:)

lynski · 23-08-2012 3:44pm

Q. and apologies if this is not the place but no idea where else to put it.
the next door neighbor has just installed a stove (today or yesterday) and on the first firing the smoke is spilling all over my back yard. I know nothing about building, but to me i think his chimney is not high enough? The chimney top is about 4 meters off the ground, on the low side of his extension roof.
I cant see how i can hang clothes on the line without them getting smoked.

Is there a minimum chimney height? and how do i find out>

seannash · 23-08-2012 3:53pm

lynski wrote: »

Q. and apologies if this is not the place but no idea where else to put it.
the next door neighbor has just installed a stove (today or yesterday) and on the first firing the smoke is spilling all over my back yard. I know nothing about building, but to me i think his chimney is not high enough? The chimney top is about 4 meters off the ground, on the low side of his extension roof.
I cant see how i can hang clothes on the line without them getting smoked.

Is there a minimum chimney height? and how do i find out>

contact your local council

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