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Ravens Terrace traffic route change

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  • #52
    Links234
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    Iwannahurl wrote: »
    I think I've twigged it.
    My dog misses that little patch of grass, she used to relieve herself there :eek:


  • #53
    Iwannahurl
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,156 ✭✭✭Iwannahurl


    Liquid fertiliser, I presume?


  • #54
    snubbleste
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 31,117 ✭✭✭✭snubbleste


    Just been for a gawk.
    It's been concreted over. The ugly sculpture remains in situ. There really was no reason to remove the tree imo. Loads of space for it to flourish.


  • #55
    Iwannahurl
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,156 ✭✭✭Iwannahurl


    Can trees just be removed willy-nilly, or is some sort of permission required?


  • #56
    snubbleste
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    Iwannahurl wrote: »
    Can trees just be removed willy-nilly, or is some sort of permission required?
    Council can remove their own trees. Objections are generally glossed over


  • #57
    JohnCleary
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    snubbleste wrote: »
    Council can remove their own trees. Objections are generally glossed over

    While I like trees, this is a good thing over-all. Nothing worse than some 'save the world' clown (with nothing better for doing) objecting to things like this which stops progress. There's ALWAYS one :pac:


  • #58
    Iwannahurl
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    JohnCleary wrote: »
    There's ALWAYS one :pac:



    One tree?

    How do trees "stop progress"?


  • #59
    dilallio
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,728 ✭✭✭dilallio


    Iwannahurl wrote: »
    One tree?

    How do trees "stop progress"?

    http://www.tenontours.com/irish-culture/irish-fairies-on-the-n18/

    Strange but True


  • #60
    zarquon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,734 ✭✭✭zarquon


    I think a fairy tree in that neck of the woods of Galway city has a whole different conotation :p

    On a more serious note, it is cringeworthy to see infrastructural progress stifled due to the whims of a minority or in some cases just one!


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  • #61
    Mrs OBumble
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    You mean like beside the magical bridge?


  • #62
    ballinadog
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    That tree has been transplanted, to a field in barna not far from the golf course would ye believe, it didn't go to waste for those concerned


  • #63
    Iwannahurl
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,156 ✭✭✭Iwannahurl


    dilallio wrote: »
    http://www.tenontours.com/irish-culture/irish-fairies-on-the-n18/

    Strange but True



    "In 1999, the upgrading of the National route from Limerick to Galway was postponed and rerouted for ten years after it was supposed to start. All because of a little tree..."

    "Rerouted for ten years"? Come, come. Sounds like a fairy story. :D

    Evidence please, regarding the alleged "ten year" delay.

    The part about Eddie Lenihan agus a sceach gheal is true, but anyone who thinks it caused the Newmarket-on-Fergus Bypass to be "rerouted for ten years" would believe any old guff imo.

    http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/fairies-cry-foul-at-new-25m-bypass-26044101.html

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  • #64
    Iwannahurl
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    ballinadog wrote: »
    That tree has been transplanted, to a field in barna not far from the golf course would ye believe, it didn't go to waste for those concerned


    Pix or it didn't happen. ;)


    zarquon wrote: »
    On a more serious note, it is cringeworthy to see infrastructural progress stifled due to the whims of a minority or in some cases just one!


    Moved to pastures new, TG.


  • #65
    zarquon
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    ballinadog wrote: »
    That tree has been transplanted, to a field in barna not far from the golf course would ye believe, it didn't go to waste for those concerned

    Nice to know all those with a chopped down decorated tree in the corner of their living room right now will need to find another reason to complain about infrastructural upgrades in the city ;)


  • #66
    Iwannahurl
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,156 ✭✭✭Iwannahurl


    zarquon wrote: »
    another reason to complain about infrastructural upgrades in the city



    That word "upgrade" again. What are the objective criteria for determining that any particular scheme, such as the Raven Terrace/Fr Griffin Road revised layout, represents an "upgrade" for all road users?

    Consider this remark in a separate thread:
    the new system of lanes coming up to the fire station from Salthill makes it difficult [for cyclists] to get to the top of the queue.


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  • #67
    zarquon
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    I never said it was an upgrade for all road users. Apparently some people won't deem works like Raven's terrace to be an actual upgrade unless cyclists are given priority in the design. If a bus lane was added rather than a cycle lane would you call it a downgrade?

    It's all relative, some will deem it an upgrade, others will see little change. It's also not the end of the world if a cyclist cannot make it to the top of the queue, just stay in the queue like every other road user. My experience of the area around the terrace though is that a lot of local cyclists like to skip the traffic and run through the red light at the station. I will blame mostly the student cyclists in the area with GTI just there and many NUIG residents in the area. The more experienced and professional cyclists do adhere to the rules however running redlights is pandemic in this area therefore such cyclists would only see the removal of the lights as an "upgrade"


  • #68
    pleasant Co.
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    Posters, stick to informative posts on these roadworks.


  • #69
    galwaycyclist
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    McTigs wrote: »
    the new system of lanes coming up to he fire station from salthill makes it difficult to get to the top of the queue.

    Agreed, the city council actively removed road capacity from cyclists in the revised design at this junction.

    In effect this design - like similar design elsewhere in the city - acts to push cyclists up onto footpaths which is illegal and often dangerous for the cyclists as well as the pedestrians (although the same city engineers are on written record as disputing whether footpath cycling is illegal - while at the same time the Minister for Transport is bringing in penalty points for the same offence).

    Perhaps the strangest thing is that I understand that these Raven Terrace works were proposed at the council by Councillor Donal Lyons who is then going around complaining about cycling along the footpaths along the prom.


  • #70
    Cleahaigh
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    galwaycyclist wrote: »
    Agreed, the city council actively removed road capacity from cyclists in the revised design at this junction.

    In effect this design - like similar design elsewhere in the city - acts to push cyclists up onto footpaths which is illegal and often dangerous for the cyclists as well as the pedestrians (although the same city engineers are on written record as disputing whether footpath cycling is illegal - while at the same time the Minister for Transport is bringing in penalty points for the same offence).

    Perhaps the strangest thing is that I understand that these Raven Terrace works were proposed at the council by Councillor Donal Lyons who is then going around complaining about cycling along the footpaths along the prom.
    Stop with this nonsense please, cyclists don't have a God given right to make it to the top of the queue at traffic lights. They can wait in line like everyone else when necessary, it's hardly that much of a hardship. You're the one who wants them to be recognised as vehicles anyway. Forced onto footways my arse.


  • #71
    galwaycyclist
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    Cleahaigh wrote: »
    Stop with this nonsense please, cyclists don't have a God given right to make it to the top of the queue at traffic lights. They can wait in line like everyone else when necessary, it's hardly that much of a hardship. You're the one who wants them to be recognised as vehicles anyway. Forced onto footways my arse.

    I have replied here http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=88061563&postcount=616

    To avoid dragging this thread off topic


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  • #72
    biko
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    Cleahaigh and galwaycyclist banned from thread for ignoring mod instructions.


  • #73
    snubbleste
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    Is this finished?
    The surface on Ravens is uneven with lava flow type lumps of tarmacadam on the surface.
    Where is the ramp on Dominick Street as outlined in the map?
    http://www.water.galwaycity.ie/gccvisual/viewer/raventerrace.htm


  • #74
    antoobrien
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    snubbleste wrote: »
    Is this finished?

    Didn't look like it when I passed during the week.


  • #75
    ballinadog
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    No it's not quite, parts of it are to get this fancy painted street print that mimics brick paving (similar to Rosemary Lane off Eyre Square) and which requires good weather...


  • #76
    Iwannahurl
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    ballinadog wrote: »
    which requires good weather...



    Permanently? :)


  • #77
    Iwannahurl
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,156 ✭✭✭Iwannahurl


    Any update on this scheme?

    I'd be particularly interested in knowing how the revised flow directions are functioning.


  • #78
    Mrs OBumble
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    In fairness, I think the council workers have had their hands full elsehwere in the last week or two.


  • #79
    dilallio
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    Iwannahurl wrote: »
    Any update on this scheme?

    I'd be particularly interested in knowing how the revised flow directions are functioning.

    I was down there on Sat evening. Everytime a car space became free outside the off licence, different cars coming from Monroes direction (Upr. Fairhill Rd.) would spot the space and enter through the exit (against the arrows wrong way).

    There is no sign before that exit stating that a left turn is prohibited - instead, there are 2 signs on the exit stating 'straight-ahead prohibited.
    You would have to be right next to them though to see them.

    I even spotted one gentleman do a full circle of the block in the wrong direction!


  • #80
    Iwannahurl
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    Mrs OBumble wrote: »
    In fairness, I think the council workers have had their hands full elsehwere in the last week or two.


    No criticism, explicit or implicit, of Council workers (or contractors) in my post. Just wondering how the new layout is faring in the interim, with particular reference to traffic flows.


  • #81
    Mrs OBumble
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    dilallio wrote: »
    There is no sign before that exit stating that a left turn is prohibited - instead, there are 2 signs on the exit stating 'straight-ahead prohibited.
    You would have to be right next to them though to see them.

    Ya, as a randomly-walking-by pedestrian, I'm not 100% sure which way traffic is supposed to go: seems to me it could go either way.


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  • #82
    irisheddie85
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 762 ✭✭✭irisheddie85


    Definitely more signage needed on the direction traffic is supposed to go around the car park.

    Road by salt house is closed this evening presumably to carry out more works


  • #83
    Iwannahurl
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    Has work resumed on this scheme?

    I passed that way over the weekend. As I waited to turn right into Upper Fairhill Road (from Fire Station towards Monroe's), I noticed a commercial van dart into the car-park and exit onto Upper Fairhill Road in order to dodge the lights.

    Is this a common occurrence, and are there any modifications yet to be completed that might eliminate the practice?


  • #84
    irisheddie85
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    Iwannahurl wrote: »
    Has work resumed on this scheme?

    I passed that way over the weekend. As I waited to turn right into Upper Fairhill Road (from Fire Station towards Monroe's), I noticed a commercial van dart into the car-park and exit onto Upper Fairhill Road in order to dodge the lights.

    Is this a common occurrence, and are there any modifications yet to be completed that might eliminate the practice?

    This isn't common. Actually haven't seen anyone do it as the light changes seem to be in favour of turning right there.

    Don't know what modifications could stop someone doing it


  • #85
    serfboard
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    I see that metal bollards have been installed in Raven Terrace (saw them working there yesterday), at the Dominick St./Lower Fairhill Road end, closing off Access from that side.

    I didn't think this was part of the original plan. Does anyone know what's going on?


  • #86
    Skittlemon
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    Popular public opinion won out and The Salthouse is due to open an extended canal side seating area! :D
    All joking aside, I don't know but that traffic system they had linking the small car park on Fr Griffin Rd side was a disaster, I broke the rules once or twice unwittingly tbh


  • #87
    Iwannahurl
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    serfboard wrote: »
    I see that metal bollards have been installed in Raven Terrace (saw them working there yesterday), at the Dominick St./Lower Fairhill Road end, closing off Access from that side.

    I didn't think this was part of the original plan. Does anyone know what's going on?



    You may well ask. I am mystified by this scheme. To take just one (crucial) element of the project, where exactly is traffic being calmed?

    The original plans for the "traffic calming" do not appear to show bollards at the Dominick Street end. Are they of the fixed or retractable type?

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  • #88
    snubbleste
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    The ramps are on the road and really slows traffic and narrows the road.
    The whole layout is a bit of a mess to my untrained eye..and yes I'm still in mourning for the evicted tree.


  • #89
    ratracer
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    A few things I've noticed about traffic flow since the works have been done:
    The car park has become a rat run for cars intending to turn right from fr griffin rd towards Dominick St. If the light is red cars cut through the car park to avoid the lights.
    At the weekends, all of the road between the lights and Monroe's has become a taxi rank for a few hours around closing time for the pubs and clubs.


  • #90
    Mrs OBumble
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    Iwannahurl wrote: »
    The original plans for the "traffic calming" do not appear to show bollards at the Dominick Street end. Are they of the fixed or retractable type?


    Removable. Were not in place when I walked past at the weekend, but there are fittings for them to be put back.


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  • #91
    Iwannahurl
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    snubbleste wrote: »
    The ramps are on the road and really slows traffic and narrows the road.

    The whole layout is a bit of a mess to my untrained eye..and yes I'm still in mourning for the evicted tree.


    Ramps plural? On which road(s)?

    As for the tree that you still, ahem, pine for, have you visited it in its new home? :)

    ratracer wrote: »
    A few things I've noticed about traffic flow since the works have been done:
    The car park has become a rat run for cars intending to turn right from fr griffin rd towards Dominick St. If the light is red cars cut through the car park to avoid the lights.
    At the weekends, all of the road between the lights and Monroe's has become a taxi rank for a few hours around closing time for the pubs and clubs.


    I've seen this happen too. It was suggested earlier (post #84) that this was not a common occurrence.


    Mrs OBumble wrote: »
    Removable. Were not in place when I walked past at the weekend, but there are fittings for them to be put back.


    So are the removable bollards across the entrance/exit to Raven's Terrace? I was down there a couple of weeks ago and the only bollards I saw were along both sides of Raven Terrace, parallel to the roadway.


  • #92
    ratracer
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    @ iwannahurl:

    Thr rat run is an every day occurence, I would even suggest that it is almost an every light change occurence. I work down that area and have been paying particular attention to the traffic flows since the change.


  • #93
    Mrs OBumble
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    Iwannahurl wrote: »
    So are the removable bollards across the entrance/exit to Raven's Terrace? I was down there a couple of weeks ago and the only bollards I saw were along both sides of Raven Terrace, parallel to the roadway.

    There are fittings in the roadway that allow bollards to be put in place at the end beside McGuire's shop (I don't know whether to call that the entrace or the exit these days!).

    When I was there at the weekend, there were no bollards in these fittings.

    I do not know when/if they are are planned to be used.


  • #94
    serfboard
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    Mrs OBumble wrote: »
    There are fittings in the roadway that allow bollards to be put in place at the end beside McGuire's shop (I don't know whether to call that the entrace or the exit these days!).

    When I was there at the weekend, there were no bollards in these fittings.

    I do not know when/if they are are planned to be used.
    The fittings are supplied by this crowd. As you say, there are two on the road, and there are others on the footpath.

    The nice man in McGuires (Mr. McGuire?) told me that what was planned was a shared space, so that the road and footpath merges. The tar on the road part will be (and is now in part) printed to look brick-like.

    The day I saw the bollards in place was the day they were doing work there. Apparently, the retractable bollards might be installed for things like festivals etc. where the street could be closed off (and then the Salt House could put tables outside ;)).

    Not sure if it was done to avoid the lights but today I saw a car come up Raven Terrace, exit at the Fr. Griffin Rd exit and turn right :eek:. Between this and the other rat run descibed in the thread, I can see the Fr. Griffin Rd. exit being closed off altogether.


  • #95
    serfboard
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    More work on Raven Terrace today - they are finishing off the shared space look on the street itself and it looks quite nice, IMO.

    Again today I saw a van exit at the Fr Griffin Rd side, despite there being a no exit sign there.


  • #96
    Iwannahurl
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    Does anyone know whether the new induction loops associated with this "traffic calming" scheme are configured to detect bicycles?

    I was attempting to turn right into Lower Fairhill Road (towards Monroe's) today and got no green arrow.


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  • #97
    what_traffic
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    @Ballinadog Any idea when the bike parking will be re-instated on Raven Terrace? Only car parking is provided for in the scheme.


  • #98
    snubbleste
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    ratracer wrote: »
    Thr rat run is an every day occurence, I would even suggest that it is almost an every light change occurence. I work down that area and have been paying particular attention to the traffic flows since the change.

    It was ridiculous earlier. Rat run from
    WolfTone Fr Griffin to LwrFairhill,
    LwrFairhill to FrGriffin WolfTone,
    Ravens to FrGriffin.

    It's a wonder there are no accidents!


  • #99
    ballinadog
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    It wasn't part of our contract to remove and replace the bike parking. the council would have removed them and stored them in one of their depots prior to us commencing that project. I'd imagine they will re erect in time. One hold up (obviously I cant speak on behalf of them) I imagine with them re erecting them, is that the Bike Scheme stands (for the hirable electic bikes) is currently being installed there at the mo and I'd imagine their is a good chance they will place the ordinary bike parking stands in the vicinity of these hirable ones. So basically just waiting to see what space/constraints exist upon completion of the electric bikes.


  • #100
    Iwannahurl
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    Welcome back ballinadog.

    Care to comment on this? Basically what we have here is a weird hybrid signalised-for-cars-but-uncontrolled-for-pedestrians crossing at the bottom of Fairhill Road. Also no pedestrian crossing provided for people wanting to walk to or from "Claddagh House". What's the rationale for such omissions in a scheme referred to as an "improvement", "upgrade" or something of that sort?
    Iwannahurl wrote: »
    There are three places outside the Fire Station where pedestrians need to cross: Fr Griffin Road (x 2) and Fairhill Road.

    Only one signalised pedestrian crossing has been provided as part of the new "upgrade/enhancement/improvement" scheme, ie the one between that bird sculpture (or whatever it is, on the site of snubbleste's tree :) ) and the footpath outside the Fire Station doors.

    AFAIK neither of the others has a signalised crossing phase (or crossing place) specifically for pedestrians.

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  • #101
    ballinadog
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    Iwannahurl wrote: »
    Welcome back ballinadog.

    Care to comment on this? Basically what we have here is a weird hybrid signalised-for-cars-but-uncontrolled-for-pedestrians crossing at the bottom of Fairhill Road. Also no pedestrian crossing provided for people wanting to walk to or from "Claddagh House". What's the rationale for such omissions in a scheme referred to as an "improvement", "upgrade" or something of that sort?

    I've never been away!! My initial comments of any real importance would be that I am not the designer of said scheme, I only help install/construct what we are supposed to. As a result, my own personal thoughts on your photos of which I should be concerned is thankfully it looks like we tied into existing old kerbs in the top photo thus that puddle is not something we created/could have solved. (if we had laid new kerbs and still left a puddle Id have questions to answer.) Now, with regards the pedestrian crossings, I dont know why there was no pedestrian crossings installed however I can think of a few reasons why they might be omitted; space (sight lines), AADT (traffic volumes), NRA standards, cost, etc. As pointed out in earlier posts above, the term upgrade or improvement is subjective. I personally think its an improvement.


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