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Ravens Terrace traffic route change

  • 24-11-2013 9:31am
    #1
    jkforde
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,009 ✭✭✭


    fyi...

    " @GalwayCityCo Traffic Route Change from 11am Mon 25th Nov: Fr Griffin Road/Fairhill Rd. Lower Junction (Galway Fire Station Junction) http://t.co/YaWF8VVWKb "

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  • #2
    ratracer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,314 ✭✭✭ratracer


    This change has been slipped in under the radar with all talk being on the shopping centre lights in the last while. This is a pretty major change to traffic flow in the area. IMO the new two way flow of traffic will make pedestrians/customers at Monroe's very vulnerable to traffic. I also think that the current set of lights here are the least obeyed in the city, the red light here is constantly ignored


  • #3
    biko
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,220 ✭✭✭✭biko


    So
    1 Raven's Terrace will close for traffic.
    2 There will be 2way traffic outside Jashmir and Monroes.

    Tbh, I think it will be fine.
    Possbily people will rat-run though the carpark.


  • #4
    snubbleste
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 31,117 ✭✭✭✭snubbleste


    No it has not.
    galwaycyclist has pointed it out a number of times in the past few months plus it's been in the media, Hopefully customers of Monroe's will appreciate that it will no longer be acceptable to park on footpaths or double yellow lines in the area.
    They've put in speed ramps though :eek: maybe they are anticipating a rise in traffic taking left from Salthill, to use O'Briens bridge, as a quicker route through town?


  • #5
    ratracer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,314 ✭✭✭ratracer


    snubbleste wrote: »
    No it has not.
    galwaycyclist has pointed it out a number of times in the past few months plus it's been in the media, Hopefully customers of Monroe's will appreciate that it will no longer be acceptable to park on footpaths or double yellow lines in the area.
    They've put in speed ramps though :eek: maybe they are anticipating a rise in traffic taking left from Salthill, to use O'Briens bridge, as a quicker route through town?

    I don't mean on boards, I was speaking generally. It has been pointed out here but the release of information to the general public has been very poor. There has been little info given to residents In the Claddagh. I work down there and have seen very little of what is going to happen in a plan form, bar seeing the road works and the new road linings now in place. And I wasn't referring to people parking outside Monroe's, the problem now is that with parking removed from the street, customers who have been used to parked cars will now be stepping into moving traffic ( maybe while under the influence!!!)


  • #6
    biko
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,220 ✭✭✭✭biko


    ratracer wrote: »
    customers who have been used to parked cars will now be stepping into moving traffic ( maybe while under the influence!!!)
    This is highly unlikely to happen. With all the crazy traffic/bikes/other on that street everyone looks both ways anyway when crossing.
    And in any case it's not enough to stop a change of traffic flow (some drunk may step out onto the street and look the wrong way).

    Next summer people will be so used to it they would have forcotten what it was like before.

    So what will happen to the terrace, pedestrinised? Will Salt House have outdoor serving come summer?
    That would be ****ing sweet btw.


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  • #7
    flynnlives
    Registered Users Posts: 739 ✭✭✭flynnlives


    so they have just moved the right turn into ravens terrace further up at the traffic lights!


    there are 2 lanes at the traffic lights, the left lane is for turning left to go up the hill into the claddagh and the right for going straight on too the tech.

    Now the right lane will have both straight thru traffic and people trying to turn into dominick street. Thats madness!

    I thought the whole point of this was to eliminate the right turns at raven terrace, not make things worse.

    all they had to do was eliminate the right turn into ravens terrace, problem solved!


  • #8
    ratracer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,314 ✭✭✭ratracer


    I hope so too. The footpath at o brine bridge seems to be getting extended right across he road once the traffic flow changes. Raven terrace will be completely pedestrianised. It would be quite pretty to have on street seating there along the canal


  • #9
    Iwannahurl
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,156 ✭✭✭Iwannahurl


    biko wrote: »
    So what will happen to the terrace, pedestrinised? Will Salt House have outdoor serving come summer?
    ratracer wrote: »
    It would be quite pretty to have on street seating there along the canal



    I had to Google "Salt House", and I see that it's on Raven Terrace, beside Gourmet Tart. Both establishments are suitable for outdoor seating.

    I think outdoor seating, properly managed and regulated, adds greatly to any street (even in Galway weather :)). It would be a really attractive and popular canal-side spot I reckon.

    My one concern would be that if Raven Terrace is to be entirely 'pedestrianised' then this will cause problems with cycle access and possible conflict with pedestrians.

    AFAIK, one of the Coke Zero shared bike docking stations is to be sited on a corner of Raven Terrace. Users of the shared bikes coming from the Spanish Arch or Claddagh side are highly unlikely to go round by the new junction opposite the fire station.

    That said, I have only seen the drawings so far, so the new layout in reality may well be a model of permeability and easy access.


  • #10
    dilallio
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,728 ✭✭✭dilallio


    flynnlives wrote: »
    so they have just moved the right turn into ravens terrace further up at the traffic lights!


    there are 2 lanes at the traffic lights, the left lane is for turning left to go up the hill into the claddagh and the right for going straight on too the tech.

    Now the right lane will have both straight thru traffic and people trying to turn into dominick street. Thats madness!

    I thought the whole point of this was to eliminate the right turns at raven terrace, not make things worse.

    all they had to do was eliminate the right turn into ravens terrace, problem solved!

    Nope.
    The right lane will now be a right turn only.
    The left lane will be straight ahead / left.


  • #11
    Seaneh
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    biko wrote: »
    This is highly unlikely to happen. With all the crazy traffic/bikes/other on that street everyone looks both ways anyway when crossing.
    And in any case it's not enough to stop a change of traffic flow (some drunk may step out onto the street and look the wrong way).

    Next summer people will be so used to it they would have forcotten what it was like before.

    So what will happen to the terrace, pedestrinised? Will Salt House have outdoor serving come summer?
    That would be ****ing sweet btw.


    Retractable bollards both ends of the street and benches + tables outside for Salt House and GTC would be brilliant.


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  • #12
    zarquon
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    Seaneh wrote: »
    Retractable bollards both ends of the street and benches + tables outside for Salt House and GTC would be brilliant.

    Can't see this happening. The layout says no through traffic. There is car parking though the lenght of the terrace so they are not going to put bollards up.


  • #13
    snubbleste
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    Anyone been through yet?
    What are the speed ramps like? Traffic heavier than normal?


  • #14
    what_traffic
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,002 ✭✭✭what_traffic


    zarquon wrote: »
    Can't see this happening. The layout says no through traffic. There is car parking though the lenght of the terrace so they are not going to put bollards up.

    Does that mean you will still be able to right turn onto Raven Terrace from the Wolfe Tone Bridge if you want to park on Raven Terrrace?


  • #15
    irisheddie85
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 762 ✭✭✭irisheddie85


    snubbleste wrote: »
    Anyone been through yet?
    What are the speed ramps like? Traffic heavier than normal?

    Went through about half an hour ago. Lights weren't turned on so everyone was taking it nice and slowly. One very confused person trying to come out the side road by kashmir. Didn't see any speed bumps other than at the entrance and exit of the car park.
    Ravens terrace was completely closed from the arch side don't know if this is just during the rest of the works or the intended layout


  • #16
    snubbleste
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 31,117 ✭✭✭✭snubbleste


    The work ain't half done.


  • #17
    what_traffic
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,002 ✭✭✭what_traffic


    Went through the junction today from Fairhill Road going towards Wolfe Tone Bridge. The lights sequencing looks to have stopped vehicles blocking the junction like in the past when vehicles would stop on the yellow box when travelling from Fr. Griffen Road. Will have to have a few more trips through the junction too confirm. They were digging up the old road outside Gourmet Tart this morning.


  • #18
    ballinadog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 102 ✭✭ballinadog


    snubbleste wrote: »
    The work ain't half done.

    correct, wont be finished for another 3 weeks...


  • #19
    ballinadog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 102 ✭✭ballinadog


    Iwannahurl wrote: »
    I had to Google "Salt House", and I see that it's on Raven Terrace, beside Gourmet Tart. Both establishments are suitable for outdoor seating.

    I think outdoor seating, properly managed and regulated, adds greatly to any street (even in Galway weather :)). It would be a really attractive and popular canal-side spot I reckon.

    My one concern would be that if Raven Terrace is to be entirely 'pedestrianised' then this will cause problems with cycle access and possible conflict with pedestrians.

    AFAIK, one of the Coke Zero shared bike docking stations is to be sited on a corner of Raven Terrace. Users of the shared bikes coming from the Spanish Arch or Claddagh side are highly unlikely to go round by the new junction opposite the fire station.

    That said, I have only seen the drawings so far, so the new layout in reality may well be a model of permeability and easy access.

    ravens terrace wont be entirely pedestrianised...


  • #20
    irisheddie85
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 762 ✭✭✭irisheddie85


    ballinadog wrote: »
    ravens terrace wont be entirely pedestrianised...

    Will the access for vehicles be from the arch side or the dominick street side when the work is completed? Couldn't really make it out on the drawing above


  • #21
    Iwannahurl
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,156 ✭✭✭Iwannahurl


    It's only when these schemes are finished that I can fully appreciate how they actually function.


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  • #22
    irisheddie85
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    Iwannahurl wrote: »
    It's only when these schemes are finished that I can fully appreciate how they actually function.

    Have to agree until everything is in place it is hard to tell how well it will work and how it will affect the use of the junction by all users. If it just stops the ignoring of red lights at the fire station it will be a big improvement


  • #23
    ballinadog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 102 ✭✭ballinadog


    irisheddie85 wrote: »
    Will the access for vehicles be from the arch side or the dominick street side when the work is completed? Couldn't really make it out on the drawing above

    from the dominick st side but in all honesty there wont be much traffic going down it... it'll have coloured asphalt and be one of these "shared surfaces"... i envisage once people realise it'll no longer be a through road (only leading to a carpark) only delivery lorries and customers of gourmet tart/mc guires will actually use it


  • #24
    Iwannahurl
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,156 ✭✭✭Iwannahurl


    Will it turn into a parking lot?


  • #25
    what_traffic
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,002 ✭✭✭what_traffic


    Iwannahurl wrote: »
    Will it turn into a parking lot?
    Yup looks like it. It's a big money maker for City Council. Also plans here for a right turn ban from the Claddagh Basin.


  • #26
    Iwannahurl
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,156 ✭✭✭Iwannahurl


    The drawings seem to show limited parking spaces, with a 15-minute limit, so I doubt it's intended as a revenue-raising municipal car-parking area.

    I was thinking more along the lines that a "shared space" which is no longer a through road will simply turn into a handy informal parking spot.

    Depends on layout and accessibility perhaps.


  • #27
    mackjark
    Closed Accounts Posts: 53 ✭✭mackjark


    Went through the last couple of days from the bridge. Not sure why the builders have left cones blocking the right lane. Seems to defeat the purpose of putting it there. But they'll be moved in due course. The changes make sense as people turning right at Raven Terrace, me included, were causing back ups all the way down to the docks. Subjectively traffic seems to have eased along the docks also helped by the opening up of the lane outside the new Cinema.


  • #28
    Mrs OBumble
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    Iwannahurl wrote: »
    The drawings seem to show limited parking spaces, with a 15-minute limit, so I doubt it's intended as a revenue-raising municipal car-parking area.

    The revenue may be raised by the Community Wardens .. great lark, spend the day with a coffee in Gourmet Tart, issue tix to people who park for longer than 15 mins!


  • #29
    what_traffic
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    Is there an official deadline date for this project?


  • #30
    zarquon
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    Mrs OBumble wrote: »
    The revenue may be raised by the Community Wardens .. great lark, spend the day with a coffee in Gourmet Tart, issue tix to people who park for longer than 15 mins!

    Can't really complain though, free set down parking for 15 minutes. If i want to stay for a while there are other long term parking spaces nearby.


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  • #31
    morgan 3
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    jkforde wrote: »
    fyi...

    " GalwayCityCo Traffic Route Change at raven terrace from 11am Mon 25th very strange:mad::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:


  • #32
    morgan 3
    Registered Users Posts: 2 ✭morgan 3


    :mad:1 Raven's Terrace will close for traffic.
    2 There will be 2way traffic outside Jashmir and Monroes.
    there is going to lots of crashes there


  • #33
    Links234
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    I saw some clown plough through traffic cones and signs today trying to turn right into oncoming traffic on the lane that used to be the right turn there...


  • #34
    Iwannahurl
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,156 ✭✭✭Iwannahurl


    Mrs OBumble wrote: »
    The revenue may be raised by the Community Wardens .. great lark, spend the day with a coffee in Gourmet Tart, issue tix to people who park for longer than 15 mins!


    Are they recruiting? ;)


    Links234 wrote: »
    I saw some clown plough through traffic cones and signs today trying to turn right into oncoming traffic on the lane that used to be the right turn there...


    I have realised, while going through the new junction where the Bodkin used to be, that old habits die hard. If you have travelled the same route for years, it takes a bit of time to get into a new groove.


  • #35
    c_man
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    Links234 wrote: »
    I saw some clown plough through traffic cones and signs today trying to turn right into oncoming traffic on the lane that used to be the right turn there...

    Sigh, saw this this morning also.


  • #36
    what_traffic
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,002 ✭✭✭what_traffic


    So what's peoples experience of the new layout? Via foot, bike, bus or car?


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  • #37
    witnessrenegade
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    Anyone have any photos? Used to live beside Day Break so would be interesting to see the new layout :)


  • #38
    JohnCleary
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    Looks like it will still be a through-road, so no joy for the people who want to go drinking outside the salthouse!

    The one-way will be entered from McGuires shop, turn right at Gourmet Tart, past Fine Wines and exit between the lights/garage (There is also a slip exit/entrance opposite the statue of Fr. Griffin)

    -EDIT- This is a guess, as i've only seen between Gourmet Tart Co. and the lights, which has one-way arrows on it.


  • #39
    Iwannahurl
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,156 ✭✭✭Iwannahurl


    JohnCleary wrote: »
    Looks like it will still be a through-road, so no joy for the people who want to go drinking outside the salthouse!



    If that turns out to be the case, then I suspect the implications will extend to more than drinking and dining al fresco.

    I walked through there last Saturday and stopped briefly for a bite at Gourmet Tart. It was far from finished so unfortunately too early to form a definite opinion.


  • #40
    galwaycyclist
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    what_traffic wrote: »
    So what's peoples experience of the new layout? Via foot, bike, bus or car?

    I tried it on the bike downhill from Fairhill Rd/Claddagh school on Thursday week. The lights turned red as I came up to them - a car was pulling away in front of me. I stopped in the sensor loop - a car pulled up behind me - outside the sensor loop. The lights went through a full cycle - including a right turn for cars turning right towards monroes and then going green for cars coming from Monroes direction.

    The lights then went back to a straight through green. The arm I was on did not get a green signal. I then pulled forward over the stop line - which is illegal and technically red light jumping. I beckoned the driver behind to pull forward into the sensor loop.

    This time we got a green light.

    It would be interesting to try the same experiment coming from Dominick st. Might need two bikes to do it properly.


  • #41
    topcat77
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    Sensor loops are a pain. had to call a car up on the Father Griffin rd/Ave junction this morning. I think she thought i was giving her abuse at first, the joys of waiting for the green light :-D


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  • #42
    antoobrien
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    topcat77 wrote: »
    Sensor loops are a pain. had to call a car up on the Father Griffin rd/Ave junction this morning. I think she thought i was giving her abuse at first, the joys of waiting for the green light :-D

    The problem with the sensor loops is that motorists have started waiting 1-2 car lengths behind the white lines, but the sensor loops are within 3 feet of the white lines.


  • #43
    Iwannahurl
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,156 ✭✭✭Iwannahurl


    In the present context the problem with sensor loops is that they do not detect cyclists. I was stuck on red here recently. It appears that the first induction loop is 2-3 car lengths (10-15 metres) from the stop line.


  • #44
    McTigs
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    topcat77 wrote: »
    Sensor loops are a pain. had to call a car up on the Father Griffin rd/Ave junction this morning. I think she thought i was giving her abuse at first, the joys of waiting for the green light :-D
    about 8.15? i think that was me beside you.


  • #45
    antoobrien
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,106 ✭✭✭antoobrien


    Iwannahurl wrote: »
    In the present context the problem with sensor loops is that they do not detect cyclists.

    Well it won't help cyclists then if cars that are waiting also fail to trigger the sensors.


  • #46
    Iwannahurl
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,156 ✭✭✭Iwannahurl


    antoobrien wrote: »
    Well it won't help cyclists then if cars that are waiting also fail to trigger the sensors.



    Cars do trigger the sensors.

    Bikes don't, and it is ludicrous that cyclists have to depend on the random appearance of motor vehicles to go about their business.


  • #47
    Seaneh
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    Simple solution to these problems, have a push button thingy at the side of junctions that cyclists can press when they roll up.


  • #48
    Iwannahurl
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,156 ✭✭✭Iwannahurl


    That would be awkward at times. For example, where there are left, straight on and right turn options.

    What's wrong with configuring traffic signals to detect and facilitate bikes? The technology is there. What's missing is the political will and the engineering competence.


  • #49
    snubbleste
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 31,117 ✭✭✭✭snubbleste


    Works still ongoing.

    Anyone remember what tree I was on about here? I've gone blank
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=72508021&postcount=3


  • #50
    Iwannahurl
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,156 ✭✭✭Iwannahurl


    I think I've twigged it.


  • #51
    snubbleste
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 31,117 ✭✭✭✭snubbleste


    Bonus point for a pun.
    I presume that tree is gone, I'll have a look later


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