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Bus fares go up again

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  • #32
    Dravokivich
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    cdebru wrote: »
    So what are the actual requirements of its customers ? Examples based on facts please, not simple pointing out buses start late on Sundays nonsense, because anyone who has ever been up and out early on a Sunday other a a couple of weeks before Christmas knows this city is dead on Sunday mornings even the buses at 9 am are empty and it is normally around noon before any life really kicks off.
    But I'm all for providing a service but who will pay for running empty buses all night and early Sunday morning ?

    Its one thing about consumers, you don't need a high service rate at that time. But there's people believe it or not who would tend to have to get in at some stage on a Sunday morning to work.


  • #33
    monument
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 14,088 Mod ✭✭✭✭monument


    lxflyer wrote: »
    That won't happen until (at the very least) contactless bank cards become the norm, and that's some way off here yet.

    Sorry, but the lack of contactless bank cards did not hold others back.


  • #34
    cdebru
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,761 ✭✭✭cdebru


    Dravokivich wrote: »
    Its one thing about consumers, you don't need a high service rate at that time. But there's people believe it or not who would tend to have to get in at some stage on a Sunday morning to work.

    Of course there are but the numbers are so low that running a bus service for them would be extremely costly, so how would it be paid for ?


  • #35
    LXFlyer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,916 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    monument wrote: »
    Sorry, but the lack of contactless bank cards did not hold others back.

    Well I think you'll find that's what they waited for in London.

    You need to be realistic about this - for buses to be cashless the system needs to be as user friendly as possible. Doing it without having contactless bank cards would be a recipe for disaster. LEAP is growing in popularity, but there needs to be a second option for that to work.


  • #36
    LXFlyer
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    cdebru wrote: »
    Of course there are but the numbers are so low that running a bus service for them would be extremely costly, so how would it be paid for ?

    I don't think anyone expects high frequencies, but at the very least I don't think it unreasonable to expect a 30 minute frequency on each QBC (one core route on each) from 7am on Sundays, ramping up slowly from 9am as at present.


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  • #37
    n97 mini
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,295 ✭✭✭n97 mini


    lxflyer wrote: »
    OK - your work trips should cost €26 using LEAP, and then the cap will kick in after the next fare. In fact your weekly outlay should not change as the cap limits have remained constant.

    I don't use the bus to and from work 5 days a week so I don't hit the cap.


  • #38
    n97 mini
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,295 ✭✭✭n97 mini


    lxflyer wrote: »
    Ultimately more and more people are going to have a LEAP card as it is rolled out nationwide,

    While this is true the vast majority of those outside Dublin have no reason to buy a Leap card as they never use public transport. I have several friends in this situation who decline to buy a Leap card for the odd time they in Dublin for whatever reason (concert, match, hospital appointment etc)


  • #39
    munchkin_utd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,907 ✭✭✭munchkin_utd


    Sf7807 wrote: »
    Again!!! 147.5for30days. ,that 5.91per day.who know any EU city higher then this?
    thats cheap as you are quoting a 30day rambler which actually does you for SIX working weeks - and in practice possibly longer as you dont use the card for any days you dont travel.

    For comparison which the OP has asked for, the equivalent (can get you to the likes of Maynooth) day ticket in Munich would cost you €11,70 per day so almost exactly double what youre paying in Dublin.

    So at least one EU city is double the cost of Dublin.


  • #40
    LXFlyer
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    n97 mini wrote: »
    While this is true the vast majority of those outside Dublin have no reason to buy a Leap card as they never use public transport. I have several friends in this situation who decline to buy a Leap card for the odd time they in Dublin for whatever reason (concert, match, hospital appointment etc)

    Well then unfortunately they are going to have to pay the higher fares.


  • #41
    n97 mini
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,295 ✭✭✭n97 mini


    munchkin_utd wrote: »
    For comparison which the OP has asked for, the equivalent (can get you to the likes of Maynooth) day ticket in Munich would cost you €11,70 per day so almost exactly double what youre paying in Dublin.

    So at least one EU city is double the cost of Dublin.

    Otoh Edinburgh monthly travel pass is £51, covers buses, trams, all night buses and airlink.


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  • #42
    munchkin_utd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,907 ✭✭✭munchkin_utd


    n97 mini wrote: »
    Otoh Edinburgh monthly travel pass is £51, covers buses, trams, all night buses and airlink.
    unfortunately not really comparible as the area covered by the Edinburgh pass is way smaller than Dublin, and a monthly pass is not the same as a 30 (non consecutive) day pass that would do you for 6working weeks

    The Dublin bus ticket covers you for crosstown journies double the length of Edinburgh and even for city centre journies, something like Maynoth into the city is double the distance of an Edinburgh suburb to the centre there.


  • #43
    Dravokivich
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    munchkin_utd wrote: »
    unfortunately not really comparible as the area covered by the Edinburgh pass is way smaller than Dublin, and a monthly pass is not the same as a 30 (non consecutive) day pass that would do you for 6working weeks

    The Dublin bus ticket covers you for crosstown journies double the length of Edinburgh and even for city centre journies, something like Maynoth into the city is double the distance of an Edinburgh suburb to the centre there.

    maybe the comparison is more valid than expected. It was in response to a post about a higher price, for somewhere larger than Dublin, quoting a lower price for somewhere smaller than Dublin.


  • #44
    n97 mini
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,295 ✭✭✭n97 mini


    munchkin_utd wrote: »
    unfortunately not really comparible

    It's close enough on balance. I think people would take a monthly pass at less than half the price of the current DB 30 day one that doesn't cover other transport modes aswell as airlink, nitelink.

    While the area is smaller it's not hugely so. Queesnferry to Seton Sands is the same distance as Bray to Dublin Airport.


  • #45
    lil5
    Registered Users Posts: 430 ✭✭lil5


    munchkin_utd wrote: »
    ...For comparison which the OP has asked for, the equivalent (can get you to the likes of Maynooth) day ticket in Munich would cost you €11,70 per day so almost exactly double what youre paying in Dublin.

    So at least one EU city is double the cost of Dublin.

    Your comparison with an all-transport mode 24h ticket in Munich to a bus-only day ticket in Dublin is by all means an extremely poor one.

    http://www.mvv-muenchen.de/en/tickets-fares/tickets/day-tickets/single-day-ticket/index.html


    In Munich the OP would very likely have a monthly Isar Card ("The right ticket for everyone who travels on a weekly or monthly basis within the MVV network.") with 8 rings for €115.50 (sample for Fürstenfeldbruck) which gives him access to all transport modes (bus, tram, U-Bahn, S-Bahn) - without any tag-on and tag-off nonsense.

    http://www.mvv-muenchen.de/en/tickets-fares/tickets/frequent-travellers/isarcard/index.html

    http://www.mvv-muenchen.de/en/tickets-fares/tariff-maps/index.html


  • #46
    s8080
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 102 ✭✭s8080


    comparing apples to oranges
    how much is a pint of beer in munich and dublin?
    how much is a cup of coffee in Edinburgh and Dublin?
    you fixate on the cost of transport but ignore the fact that many thing are more expensive in Dublin than Munich and Edinburgh


  • #47
    munchkin_utd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,907 ✭✭✭munchkin_utd


    lil5 wrote: »
    <snip>
    In Munich the OP would very likely have a monthly Isar Card ("The right ticket for everyone who travels on a weekly or monthly basis within the MVV network.") with 8 rings for €115.50 (sample for Fürstenfeldbruck) which gives him access to all transport modes (bus, tram, U-Bahn, S-Bahn) - without any tag-on and tag-off nonsense.
    <snip>
    look, its hard to compare systems in cities, but Munich and Dublin are not bad examples as they are cities of very similar population and size.
    And "An Lár"-ism is brutal there too, so another common factor. Theres hardly a radial service thats usable which causes chronic congestion on the ring road motorway (sound familiar?)

    The thing with the tickets being valid for many modes is one thing, but its actually not really an issue.
    In Munich you simply cannot get to the city by bus exclusively, so you just need to be able to use the train. The busses run in the suburbs and the train brings you to town. Thats the way it works, and once Dublin gets the Dart Underground it could also work in Dublin too.
    But essentially a Munich general travel ticket is not all that different from a Dublin Bus ticket in that its the only way to get from a random corer of a suburb to the city centre.


  • #48
    LXFlyer
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    munchkin_utd wrote: »
    look, its hard to compare systems in cities, but Munich and Dublin are not bad examples as they are cities of very similar population and size.
    And "An Lár"-ism is brutal there too, so another common factor. Theres hardly a radial service thats usable which causes chronic congestion on the ring road motorway (sound familiar?)

    The thing with the tickets being valid for many modes is one thing, but its actually not really an issue.
    In Munich you simply cannot get to the city by bus exclusively, so you just need to be able to use the train. The busses run in the suburbs and the train brings you to town. Thats the way it works, and once Dublin gets the Dart Underground it could also work in Dublin too.
    But essentially a Munich general travel ticket is not all that different from a Dublin Bus ticket in that its the only way to get from a random corer of a suburb to the city centre.



    I think you mean orbital?


    Radial routes are the ones to/from the city centre.


  • #49
    n97 mini
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    s8080 wrote: »
    comparing apples to oranges
    how much is a pint of beer in munich and dublin?
    how much is a cup of coffee in Edinburgh and Dublin?
    you fixate on the cost of transport but ignore the fact that many thing are more expensive in Dublin than Munich and Edinburgh

    By that logic the only fair comparison with Dublin is Dublin.


  • #50
    s8080
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 102 ✭✭s8080


    n97 mini wrote: »
    By that logic the only fair comparison with Dublin is Dublin.

    correct.

    top fare dublin E2.50 price of pint E5

    top fare munich E1.5 price of pint E3

    dublin transport cost are relative to the cost of everything else.


  • #51
    cdebru
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,761 ✭✭✭cdebru


    http://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/compare_cities.jsp?country1=Ireland&country2=Germany&city1=Dublin&city2=Munich


    Also to do a fair.comparison you would also need to look at other issues like fare box recovery ratio as well as traffic management and enforcement and bus priority measures, number of stops etc. If one city has a well managed traffic and bus priority system so a bus can do a 15km run significantly faster that is obviously going to affect your costs significantly.

    Fares are high here but there are numerous reasons for that including the large portion of the population entitled to free travel, how many citizens in Munich can travel for free and how are the transport providers paid for this ? At the end of the day there is no such thing as free travel, someone has to pay for it, whether that is the state or the other customers.


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  • #52
    n97 mini
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    s8080 wrote: »
    correct.

    top fare dublin E2.50 price of pint E5

    top fare munich E1.5 price of pint E3

    dublin transport cost are relative to the cost of everything else.

    That's a kind of a SIPTU way of thinking.


  • #53
    munchkin_utd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,907 ✭✭✭munchkin_utd


    s8080 wrote: »
    correct.
    top fare dublin E2.50 price of pint E5
    top fare munich E1.5 price of pint E3

    dublin transport cost are relative to the cost of everything else.
    Where did you get that?
    It's 1.30 for a single ticket to travel 4 bus stops or 2 rail stops in munich,
    2.60 to travel more (so literally 3 minutes down the road) within the city zone or 7.80 for the equivalent of city centre to maynooth which is 3 zones.

    Prices rising again next week too.


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