Everything HPAT and Medicine 2012

spasmaster · 12-05-2012 9:12pm

hollingr wrote: »

College......2009.........2010...........2011
Cork..........715...10.....725.......8....733*
UCD..........719....6......725......10....735
galwy........712*..5......719.......9....728*
RCSI.........715*..6.......721.....11....732
Trinity.......724*..7......731*.....8.....739*

I would call that more of a pessimistic guess.. An 8 point increase is just about the same increase as last year, during which there was pretty big inflation in top end hpat scores, while this year the hpat results are ever so slightly down.

You really think honours maths bonus alone can have that great an effect??

Just a guess realy, hopefully they dont go up too much:)

jumpguy · 12-05-2012 10:33pm

8mile wrote: »

Hey guys,if you want med so bad then why not go to budapest poland slovakia etc. to study it?

It's very expensive to study there, tuition fees are generally high to be taught through English.

Aftermanydays · 13-05-2012 9:16am

I just received my CAO statement and change of mind form. Everything seems to be correct, apart from a couple of digits missing from my phone number. What else should I be checking? I am paranoid that on results day something goes wrong and I don't get in to medical school.

spurious · 13-05-2012 11:14am

Aftermanydays wrote: »

I just received my CAO statement and change of mind form. Everything seems to be correct, apart from a couple of digits missing from my phone number. What else should I be checking? I am paranoid that on results day something goes wrong and I don't get in to medical school.

The biggest mistake people make is putting their choices in order of difficulty/points required, not the order they want them.

hollingr · 13-05-2012 2:05pm

meant to ask about that spurious, so there is no competitive advantage lost by putting a course second? say if it goes down to lottery selection etc..

QueenOfLeon · 13-05-2012 2:11pm

hollingr wrote: »

meant to ask about that spurious, so there is no competitive advantage lost by putting a course second? say if it goes down to lottery selection etc..

No, none whatsoever.

On your CAO form, the highest choice that you have attained the points for is now seen as your first choice. Everything that you had ranked above it has no bearing, unless it comes down to 2nd/3rd/further rounds, where they come into play again.

It doesn't matter if it was your 5th, and someone elses 1st, whoever has the higher points will get it first, and in random selection it is completely random.

hollingr · 13-05-2012 2:40pm

Thanks, one other clarification I need.. if you are offered your second choice, I take it you should accept it, and then if subsequently you end up having enough points for your 1st choice in further rounds you can then change over and take that offer up?

QueenOfLeon · 13-05-2012 2:56pm

hollingr wrote: »

Thanks, one other clarification I need.. if you are offered your second choice, I take it you should accept it, and then if subsequently you end up having enough points for your 1st choice in further rounds you can then change over and take that offer up?

Yes. Once you are offered a course, everything BELOW that is now gone, you will never have the choice to get any of those, which is why its so important to put your courses in order of your preference for them, not their points. However, anything ABOVE your offer can be offered in a later round.

If you want the course that you are offered, you should accept it, as the closing date for accepting it is before the 2nd round offers come out. Rejecting it and holding out for a 2nd round offer would be very risky.

hollingr · 13-05-2012 2:58pm

you > cao handbook

QueenOfLeon · 13-05-2012 3:04pm

hollingr wrote: »

you > cao handbook

:P Whatever about the CAO handbook, some career guidance teachers have absolutely no idea how the CAO works! I asked the same question (about having the same chance if a course was further down your list) when I was applying and my career guidance teacher reckoned that by having my backup course at number 6 (after the 5 medicines), anyone who had it at number 1 would get it before me, even if they had 200 points less than me :rolleyes:

Can't really blame all the people who fill out the CAO forms wrong when that sort of information is flying around!

ismisekatie · 13-05-2012 7:41pm

QueenOfLeon wrote: »

:P Whatever about the CAO handbook, some career guidance teachers have absolutely no idea how the CAO works! I asked the same question (about having the same chance if a course was further down your list) when I was applying and my career guidance teacher reckoned that by having my backup course at number 6 (after the 5 medicines), anyone who had it at number 1 would get it before me, even if they had 200 points less than me :rolleyes:

Can't really blame all the people who fill out the CAO forms wrong when that sort of information is flying around!

did you find out yes or no that they will get it before you?

hollingr · 13-05-2012 8:05pm

QueenOfLeon wrote: »

:P Whatever about the CAO handbook, some career guidance teachers have absolutely no idea how the CAO works! I asked the same question (about having the same chance if a course was further down your list) when I was applying and my career guidance teacher reckoned that by having my backup course at number 6 (after the 5 medicines), anyone who had it at number 1 would get it before me, even if they had 200 points less than me :rolleyes:

Can't really blame all the people who fill out the CAO forms wrong when that sort of information is flying around!

Also doesn't help that the information 99% of students actually need from the CAO handbook is spread over 26 pages, and is written as if it's some sort of constitutional law.. The important info isn't exactly jumping off the page at you.

They could at least summarise the key points in a few short sentences and have that as the start page! Also the F.A.Q page is utter tripe.

Bunch of feckless eejits!

NoHarm1994 · 13-05-2012 8:11pm

hollingr wrote: »

Also doesn't help that the information 99% of students actually need from the CAO handbook is spread over 26 pages, and is written as if it's some sort of constitutional law.. The important info isn't exactly jumping off the page at you.

They could at least summarise the key points in a few short sentences and have that as the start page! Also the F.A.Q page is utter tripe.

Bunch of feckless eejits!

Strongly worded letter time

hollingr · 13-05-2012 8:13pm

I think i'll wait till after I get a place to moan at them.

Don't trust them to apply "random" selection if they hate my guts!

Mr.Fun · 13-05-2012 9:18pm

Hey guys so the story is I did very very bad in hpat. With regards the cao choices surely I can take medicine off it.Im a bit confused as they will have my hpat results but I wont have medicine down. Im a bit confused

QueenOfLeon · 13-05-2012 9:27pm

ismisekatie wrote: »

did you find out yes or no that they will get it before you?

They definitely won't, read my previous posts!

Mr.Fun wrote: »

Hey guys so the story is I did very very bad in hpat. With regards the cao choices surely I can take medicine off it.Im a bit confused as they will have my hpat results but I wont have medicine down. Im a bit confused

It won't matter if you have HPAT results recorded but no medicine on the form. However, don't take it off unless you're absolutely sure that you won't get it, if you're just reading points predictions they're rarely completely accurate!

Just Like Heaven · 13-05-2012 9:29pm

Mr.Fun wrote: »

Hey guys so the story is I did very very bad in hpat. With regards the cao choices surely I can take medicine off it.Im a bit confused as they will have my hpat results but I wont have medicine down. Im a bit confused

Confused about what exactly? You can take medicine off, and then that's it. They'll still have your hpat score, but it won't make any difference to anything.

spurious · 13-05-2012 10:00pm

Mr.Fun wrote: »

Hey guys so the story is I did very very bad in hpat. With regards the cao choices surely I can take medicine off it.Im a bit confused as they will have my hpat results but I wont have medicine down. Im a bit confused

Don't take it off.
If you don't get the points for it, it won't affect anything, but you never know, there is a chance you might do outstandingly well in the Leaving and then you'd be rightly sick if you had taken Medicine off your list of courses.
It won't do you any damage to leave it there.

hollingr · 13-05-2012 10:07pm

If you are 100% sure your hpat isn't good enough (under 165 or so) and you don't have space for other courses you might like to do, there is no harm in changing things around. Maybe even just take off trinity and other high score colleges and leave one or two of the lower ones just in case.

It all depends on what other courses are you interested in, and how likely you are to get those other courses based on your points expectations etc.. If everything you want to do fits on the form as it is now, I wouldn't change anything.

QueenOfLeon · 13-05-2012 10:51pm

hollingr wrote: »

If you are 100% sure your hpat isn't good enough (under 165 or so) and you don't have space for other courses you might like to do, there is no harm in changing things around.

I wouldn't be specific and give 165 as a cut off point tbh, you don't want people coming back here in August and saying "people on boards said under 165 had no chance so I took it off and I would have got it!!" etc :P

165 + 565 = 730 ...2 points more than what would have got in last year, and yes, aiming for just a 2 point rise is very optimistic, but you can't rule something like that out.

Better to leave it on "just in case", even if the chances are slim.

FaoiSin · 13-05-2012 10:56pm

How about 155 :P :pac:

hollingr · 13-05-2012 11:16pm

QueenOfLeon wrote: »

I wouldn't be specific and give 165 as a cut off point tbh, you don't want people coming back here in August and saying "people on boards said under 165 had no chance so I took it off and I would have got it!!" etc :P

165 + 565 = 730 ...2 points more than what would have got in last year, and yes, aiming for just a 2 point rise is very optimistic, but you can't rule something like that out.

Better to leave it on "just in case", even if the chances are slim.

That's why I said only take off the higher points colleges like Trinity and leave the lower ones! But still I agree, wouldn't take anyone's word with regards a cut off.. we can still hold onto a distant dream of a drop this year.

No harm of leaving a few med courses on your CAO regardless of your hpat points, but if you are below 165 realistically your chances are very slim and you should be entirely prepared for the outcome of not getting in and have other options fully explored!

Mr.Fun · 14-05-2012 9:26pm

Hi guys thanks for all the help.You see the most combined points I can get now is 705 and thats only if I get 625 points! Im pretty sure it wont be enough. I think I will take it off my cao. Again THANK YOU for all the help!

pinkballetdance · 15-05-2012 2:57pm

hollingr wrote: »

737 doesn't mean i'm in.. I only applied to RCSI/UCD/TCD

I have an interview monday for mature entry and still have to do bio and chem for the l.c. Still about 12 chapters left to cover in biology before I even start revising/learning stuff off.. Going to be a tough few weeks!!

Why don't you put down UCC and NUIG now? On the change of mind?

NoHarm1994 · 15-05-2012 4:28pm

pinkballetdance wrote: »

Why don't you put down UCC and NUIG now? On the change of mind?

ssssssssssssssssssshhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh....

hollingr · 15-05-2012 4:36pm

as far as I know, you can't add restricted entry courses at this stage!

Also for reasons of day to day living costs and some other responsibilities I can't attend a college outside of Dublin. Interview went well in RCSI for mature entry yesterday so I am expecting to have a place there, I'll find out within two weeks.

NoHarm1994 · 15-05-2012 5:12pm

hollingr wrote: »

as far as I know, you can't add restricted entry courses at this stage!

Also for reasons of day to day living costs and some other responsibilities I can't attend a college outside of Dublin. Interview went well in RCSI for mature entry yesterday so I am expecting to have a place there, I'll find out within two weeks.

Congrats best of luck

QueenOfLeon · 15-05-2012 5:31pm

hollingr wrote: »

as far as I know, you can't add restricted entry courses at this stage!

I think it is possible once you've got some down already and you've sat the HPAT. As far as I remember I threw in a 5th in the change of mind!

hollingr · 15-05-2012 5:32pm

that is interesting.. thanks for the heads up. If all else fails I may have to "change my mind" about taking up a course outside dublin!

when does change of mind close?

edit: just checked.. 1st of july. plenty of time!

Helloxoxo · 15-05-2012 6:01pm

QueenOfLeon wrote: »

hollingr wrote: »

as far as I know, you can't add restricted entry courses at this stage!

I think it is possible once you've got some down already and you've sat the HPAT. As far as I remember I threw in a 5th in the change of mind!

I think the deadline for restricted courses was earlier in the year though

Paralysis · 15-05-2012 6:14pm

Helloxoxo wrote: »

I think the deadline for restricted courses was earlier in the year though

I really hope not! I added NUIG and Cork yesterday!

Helloxoxo · 15-05-2012 6:41pm

Paralysis wrote: »

Helloxoxo wrote: »

I think the deadline for restricted courses was earlier in the year though

I really hope not! I added NUIG and Cork yesterday!

http://www2.cao.ie/handbook/handbook/index.php this makes me think if you already had a med down you can put another down if you call them

Paralysis · 15-05-2012 6:52pm

Helloxoxo wrote: »

http://www2.cao.ie/handbook/handbook/index.php this makes me think if you already had a med down you can put another down if you call them

You have to call them ?! This is not good... I just saw there was an option, so presumed I could just make changes!

Just read the handbook - not as bad as I thought - shall I just cancel the choices? Will they interfere with my others? I go to school in the UK - careers department don't have a clue, so there's no-one I can ask!

finality · 15-05-2012 8:36pm

Paralysis wrote: »

You have to call them ?! This is not good... I just saw there was an option, so presumed I could just make changes!

Just read the handbook - not as bad as I thought - shall I just cancel the choices? Will they interfere with my others? I go to school in the UK - careers department don't have a clue, so there's no-one I can ask!

No don't cancel them, they won't interfere with your other choices. As far as I know Queen of Leon is right about being able to add other med courses once you have at least one down already.

Worst case scenario is that those choices aren't counted and you'll get your next preference after them - which would happen if you took them off ANYWAY. If you want them, leave them down.

Paralysis · 15-05-2012 8:39pm

finality wrote: »

No don't cancel them, they won't interfere with your other choices. As far as I know Queen of Leon is right about being able to add other med courses once you have at least one down already.

Worst case scenario is that those choices aren't counted and you'll get your next preference after them - which would happen if you took them off ANYWAY. If you want them, leave them down.

Great, OK thanks

Panic over...

FaoiSin · 15-05-2012 9:04pm

Just to clarify. Will I be able to take medicine off my cao and replace them with other courses?

spasmaster · 15-05-2012 9:09pm

YeaaahFaoiSin wrote: »

Just to clarify. Will I be able to take medicine off my cao and replace them with other courses?

yeah should be no problem.

Helloxoxo · 15-05-2012 9:36pm

Paralysis wrote: »

Helloxoxo wrote: »

http://www2.cao.ie/handbook/handbook/index.php this makes me think if you already had a med down you can put another down if you call them

You have to call them ?! This is not good... I just saw there was an option, so presumed I could just make changes!

Just read the handbook - not as bad as I thought - shall I just cancel the choices? Will they interfere with my others? I go to school in the UK - careers department don't have a clue, so there's no-one I can ask!

Well it just says you can put it down but get in contact to confirm? I'd say it's fine!

NoHarm1994 · 16-05-2012 3:35pm

I just rang UCD there asking if it was possible to do Biomed and Health Sciences or Radiography for a year (and presuming I get enough in the HPAT next year) and then skip premed. Hence being able to avoid the 8000 euro charge or something, but they weren't very helpful just saying 'there is no guarantee.' :mad:

Anyone out there have any experience of this or would I be better taking a year off next year instead of doing a year of the courses mentioned above?

pros_medhead · 17-05-2012 7:28pm

NoHarm1994 wrote: »

I just rang UCD there asking if it was possible to do Biomed and Health Sciences or Radiography for a year (and presuming I get enough in the HPAT next year) and then skip premed. Hence being able to avoid the 8000 euro charge or something, but they weren't very helpful just saying 'there is no guarantee.' :mad:

Anyone out there have any experience of this or would I be better taking a year off next year instead of doing a year of the courses mentioned above?

Hi there, i am a current Biomed student, and have looked into it. this is an email i got from Carl Lusby who is the student advisor for Med, Biomed and international students in UCD....

I'm afraid there is not a definitive answer to this, which is probably why you were receiving the automated replies.

Because UCD offers a six year programme, students being offered through the CAO get offered this programme. Only after they have accepted, is a decision made on what students, if any, will be offered a five year place.

It would appear likely that you would be offered such a place, but there is no guarantee at this stage. Unfortunately it depends on how many qualify for the 5 year and how many places they decide to offer. This can be different each year.

I'm really sorry that I can't give you a firmer answer, as I know there are financial implications in all of this.

With every good wish, Carl

yellow hen · 17-05-2012 7:30pm

C

pros_medhead wrote: »

NoHarm1994 wrote: »

I just rang UCD there asking if it was possible to do Biomed and Health Sciences or Radiography for a year (and presuming I get enough in the HPAT next year) and then skip premed. Hence being able to avoid the 8000 euro charge or something, but they weren't very helpful just saying 'there is no guarantee.' :mad:

Anyone out there have any experience of this or would I be better taking a year off next year instead of doing a year of the courses mentioned above?

Hi there, i am a current Biomed student, and have looked into it. this is an email i got from Carl Lusby who is the student advisor for Med, Biomed and international students in UCD....

I'm afraid there is not a definitive answer to this, which is probably why you were receiving the automated replies.

Because UCD offers a six year programme, students being offered through the CAO get offered this programme. Only after they have accepted, is a decision made on what students, if any, will be offered a five year place.

It would appear likely that you would be offered such a place, but there is no guarantee at this stage. Unfortunately it depends on how many qualify for the 5 year and how many places they decide to offer. This can be different each year.

I'm really sorry that I can't give you a firmer answer, as I know there are financial implications in all of this.

With every good wish, Carl

It's really not appropriate to give someone's name on a public forum like this. I appreciate you are helping someone but you should just remove the name.

hollingr · 17-05-2012 7:32pm

More people doing foundation year profitable for the medicine school + recession = less and less people "qualifying" to skip foundation year

finality · 17-05-2012 7:38pm

yellow hen wrote: »

C

It's really not appropriate to give someone's name on a public forum like this. I appreciate you are helping someone but you should just remove the name.

God, yeah, seems like Carl Lusby's very concerned about keeping their identity a secret.

http://www.ucd.ie/international/information_for_students/studentsupport/

hollingr · 17-05-2012 7:40pm

Since when is Carl a female name??

They must have added the "Ms" infront because people kept assuming its a guy.

yellow hen · 17-05-2012 8:52pm

finality wrote: »

God, yeah, seems like Carl Lusby's very concerned about keeping their identity a secret.

http://www.ucd.ie/international/information_for_students/studentsupport/

Writing an email to one person is one thing but having that email intended for one individual displayed on a public forum is not appropriate.

finality · 17-05-2012 9:02pm

yellow hen wrote: »

Writing an email to one person is one thing but having that email intended for one individual displayed on a public forum is not appropriate.

When there was no private or personal information in the email I wouldn't see it as an issue to be honest. Maybe that's just me though.

skinny malinky · 17-05-2012 9:20pm

Carl's life will be forever changed after this public exposure. She'll probably end up on Celebrity Big Brother next year.

pros_medhead · 17-05-2012 9:57pm

ok.... firstly, i was justing sharing the information i received so others could take from it, its not exactly classified ?! secondly, carl lusby is a well renowned woman, she does sooo much work for students rights, finances, problems etc as well as being a student advisor for med, her email address and contact details are publicly available...

whats the problem??

yeah, i agree hollingr, its definitely more financially beneficial to make students do premed, one can only hope!!

tweetybird4848 · 18-05-2012 12:04am

pros_medhead wrote: »

NoHarm1994 wrote: »

I just rang UCD there asking if it was possible to do Biomed and Health Sciences or Radiography for a year (and presuming I get enough in the HPAT next year) and then skip premed. Hence being able to avoid the 8000 euro charge or something, but they weren't very helpful just saying 'there is no guarantee.' :mad:

Anyone out there have any experience of this or would I be better taking a year off next year instead of doing a year of the courses mentioned above?

Hi there, i am a current Biomed student, and have looked into it. this is an email i got from Carl Lusby who is the student advisor for Med, Biomed and international students in UCD....

I'm afraid there is not a definitive answer to this, which is probably why you were receiving the automated replies.

Because UCD offers a six year programme, students being offered through the CAO get offered this programme. Only after they have accepted, is a decision made on what students, if any, will be offered a five year place.

It would appear likely that you would be offered such a place, but there is no guarantee at this stage. Unfortunately it depends on how many qualify for the 5 year and how many places they decide to offer. This can be different each year.

I'm really sorry that I can't give you a firmer answer, as I know there are financial implications in all of this.

With every good wish, Carl[/

Hey! So are you looking to skip premed next year? Do you have many points with the repeat hpat? And are many people in your year in biomed in ucd in contention for med next year with improvements in hpat? I am also in first year and am hoping to go into med next year! I have heard of huge no's o people improving greatly by repeat hosts and I was wondering how people got on in biomed in ucd:)

pros_medhead · 18-05-2012 10:59am

tweetybird4848 wrote: »

pros_medhead wrote: »

Hey! So are you looking to skip premed next year? Do you have many points with the repeat hpat? And are many people in your year in biomed in ucd in contention for med next year with improvements in hpat? I am also in first year and am hoping to go into med next year! I have heard of huge no's o people improving greatly by repeat hosts and I was wondering how people got on in biomed in ucd:)

hi! yeah i really dont want to have to do premed !! ive since changed cork to number one just purely because its 5 yrs, most of my friends went there last year and loved it. yeah my hpat has boosted me so much, im fairly certain of getting offered med, provided the points dont go extraordinarily high. Yeah theres a few in biomed, i think around half of the people who repeated the hpat are fairly happy with their results so about 7 or 8 people maybe? i have a lot of friends in general science and human health and disease in trinity and theres alot of people who have significantly increased their hpat scores in those courses too, its going to be really tough for school leavers based on this! what course did you do this year?

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