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Panasonic TG4/TV3 Sound?

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  • #52
    STB
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,178 ✭✭✭STB


    championc wrote: »
    You might be better trying to get a copy of the files from a G20B owner since that's probably going to be the next nearest neighbour to the G10B. Someone mentioned recently that G20B's are on sale in Curry's in Limerick so you might strike lucky

    No No No. Jeez. Dont do it. Its not just a channel list! You will kill your TV. You flash this TV wrong and thats it, big brick. Be warned.

    ONLY flash with the same model and same SIZE size model. It is not a common channel list you are flashing. You are overwriting information other than the channel list on your TV including serial number. Panasonic not seeing Irish channels again.

    I suggest that people open a thread for one of each affected series.

    First series
    The first series is the LZD81's which are the LCDs. They were released in the 32 and 37inch size. So the models are 32LZD81B and 37LZD81B.

    The plasma of this first series is the PZ81's. They are TH-42PZ81B and TH-47PZ81B.

    Second series

    The G10s, V10s and G15s are also affected. Only the B range.

    The L range in any of these series is not affected AT all. It is only the combo Freesat HD Tvs with a DVB-T tuner.

    Final word of advice. DO NOT flash with the SD card unless it is for your area (the same transmitter is the only reason you should be doing this - as it contains the DVB-T frequency for your area).

    As an aside I would like to say that there is an existing year old repository (on this forum here) and here and here from the first time this problem cropped up, so any channels that existed back then will give those channels again and infact will also give you some of the new channels if a Test channel existed previously once the Audio and Video PIDs are the same. You will not receive 3e ever unless RTE switch it off for one day and clever people "get it tuned" in a small window of opportunity.

    We really need someone good with HEX to interpret one hotel file. Perhaps someone over at the Computer tech side ?


  • #53
    maxg
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 516 ✭✭✭maxg


    The hotel files are crypted. A hexeditor doesn't help much.
    The G10B and G15B series could be hacked and converted to GW10 or GW15 for central europe. The GW10/GW15 series are able to handle mpeg4 channels via the function add HD channels in the DVB-T tuner menu. The problem is one wrong move in the eeprom editor for the hack will brick the TV.


  • #54
    STB
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,178 ✭✭✭STB


    Yes I read that the G10s have a built in hex editor that allows you to change it from a G10B to the European model which also allows among other things Gamma control.

    panasonic-with-built-in-hex-editor.jpg?w=470&h=275

    Unfortunately the site giving instructions has disappeared. But the discussion on it remains here > For people who like living on the edge only!.

    Obviously the idea is that you would lose the freesat menu and it becomes a dvb-s2 and dvb-t combo. But it would mean that you have a working dvb-t tuner........but you can change it back.

    I note the original owner of the .uk site seem to be in the comments.... (infact heres the guide on how to edit the eeprom from the built in hex editor)

    PLEASE IF YOU ARE CONSIDERING DOING THIS YOU SHOULD NOTE, ONE MISTAKE and YOU COULD BRICK YOUR G10 (G15s also with another tweak from what I read in the first link). At your own risk!


  • #55
    maxg
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 516 ✭✭✭maxg


    The idea should be to convert to a GW10 for a G10B or a GW15 for a G15B, use the add HD channel option in the DVB-T tuner menu and convert back. The channel list should survive.


  • #56
    Sponge Bob
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 25,234 ✭✭✭✭Sponge Bob


    Hex editing is not for the fainthearted, everything must be done carefully.

    The only value that changes, essentially, is the Channel number of the Mux.

    If a person backs up up a working Panny tuned to Maghera then the EPG would be displayed against channel 48. Restoring that file to the same model in the Maghera area would work. Restoring in a different area would not, there is nothing on Channel 48 meaning you get right channel list/wrong channel.

    Changing that one value to Channel 45 should make the file Mt Leinster ready.

    As the hotel file may have a checksum after backup I would be inclined to make those changes on a working Panny and back the entire file up as a dump, then change back to the correct values to get it working again.


  • #57
    STB
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,178 ✭✭✭STB


    maxg wrote: »
    The idea should be to convert to a GW10 for a G10B or a GW15 for a G15B, use the add HD channel option in the DVB-T tuner menu and convert back. The channel list should survive.

    Always thinking one step further gmax I see.

    Unfortunately after each hex edit change you have to restore to factory settings (in order to reinitialise the dvb-s2 tuner) doing that woul also lose the channels added during you initial change when it was in european model mode. So making the changes saving the channel list and attempting to go back to the freesat menu version wont work imo. You are accesing the memory afterall.

    Even if you back up the channel list having made the initial hex change in a hotel file and reloading it when changing back to feresat/no dvb-t mode loading that hotel file will just replicate what you have done ie change the eeprom again to a dvb-s2 and dvb-t combo (no freesat software).

    Many people will be able to live with this though to get the extra 5 Irish stations. Just edit that one line.

    @Sponge Bob: The Hex editor is built in to the Panasonic G10's the instructions are above. You are changing specific values that the hacker has identified that changes it from the UK model to a European model, thus enabling the dvb-t tuner to pick up RTE's etc but disabling the Freesat firmware but still having a working dvb-s2 sat tuner.


  • #58
    cillo2000
    Registered Users Posts: 70 ✭✭cillo2000


    Hi STB,

    I have found a back-up for a TX-L32G10L for Mullaghanish which is my transmitter, because it's a different size screen you would not recommend I restore the TX-L32G10L back-up to my TX-L37G10B?


  • #59
    bob11
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 470 ✭✭bob11


    STB wrote: »
    . You will not receive 3e ever unless RTE switch it off for one day and clever people "get it tuned" in a small window of opportunity.

    Good post STB ..

    But just one clarification ..

    I can receive 3E fine, as it has appeared where I had previously tuned in one of the RTE NL test channels, so I presume most areas will be the same ..

    I think I will have a problem when RTE 2 HD starts transmitting, as it will be in a new position ..

    I have 2 Panasonics that are affected by this issue in Dublin, if anyone needs the files for the 37 LZD81 or the 50 V10 off 3-Rock ..

    Rgds,

    Bob


  • #60
    STB
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,178 ✭✭✭STB


    bob11 wrote: »
    Good post STB ..

    But just one clarification ..

    I can receive 3E fine, as it has appeared where I had previously tuned in one of the RTE NL test channels, so I presume most areas will be the same ..

    I think I will have a problem when RTE 2 HD starts transmitting, as it will be in a new position ..
    Bob

    Hi Bob - I was aware that the TV3 channel replaced one of the test channels. But not the 3e channel. Its the existence of previously used Audio and Video PIDs for the test channel being the same I gather that will allow this happen (the station name may have changed and obviously has a feed on it now). I dont know how LCN interacts with all this. I would imagine if you have the bouquet saved with the RTE HD test channel, that will be okay for RTE2 HD, once they keep the same PIDs. EDIT: This has been replaced by 3e. RTENL Test Channel = Tv3. RTE HD Test = 3e.

    I cant remember the sequence of on and off though when 3e and tv3 came on and HD channel went temporarily off.
    STB wrote: »
    .......so any channels that existed back then will give those channels again and infact will also give you some of the new channels if a Test channel existed previously once the Audio and Video PIDs are the same.
    cillo2000 wrote: »
    Hi STB,

    I have found a back-up for a TX-L32G10L for Mullaghanish which is my transmitter, because it's a different size screen you would not recommend I restore the TX-L32G10L back-up to my TX-L37G10B?

    Because its a different model nevermind a different screensize. It will do one of 2 things. Turn the B model to a european model or more likely it will brick it. I fear it might be an expensive lesson to learn. Dont Jump! I have learnt valuable lessons this way, even if you think having a backup of the original will save you!


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  • #61
    Sponge Bob
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 25,234 ✭✭✭✭Sponge Bob


    Once RTE finalise the channel line up on that mux it would be nice of them to organise a "0x1 amnesty day" every quarter so that those with 0x1 dependent firmware but with mpeg4 can tune and store their channels.

    Even if it were unofficial and only between 4 and 7pm on those dates it would be a very decent gesture over the next year. Once ASO is close to complete or completed in the North it would probably not be feasible or mannerly for co ordination reasons ...ie post June 2012.

    Somewhere like boards/digitalspy/avforums would be the perfect place to publicise it. An early trial to see if this poses any issues would also be nice...like by the 15th December....

    Everybody turn on their tellys during that test to see if a 0x1 breaks anything that is working and causes unintended grief and report in.

    If the reports are good then the amnesty could probably be tried and it also allows our NI/Welsh/Manx cousins to have a crack at scanning for RTE where they have MPEG4 capability and storing them. Frankly they could then do it every week on the more south and westerly txs where the signal would not be received in IoM/NI/Wales :)

    Who has contacts in RTENL then??


  • #62
    maxg
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 516 ✭✭✭maxg


    STB wrote: »

    Unfortunately after each hex edit change you have to restore to factory settings (in order to reinitialise the dvb-s2 tuner) doing that woul also lose the channels added during you initial change when it was in european model mode. So making the changes saving the channel list and attempting to go back to the freesat menu version wont work imo. You are accesing the memory afterall.

    No, you don't need the dvb-s2 tuner for the channel scan. Without a factory reset you get only dvb-t and analogue in GW10 mode but you need only dvb-t for the saorview scan. The idea is to get the dvb-t channel list in GW10 mode and convert back to a G10B without resetting anything.


  • #63
    STB
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,178 ✭✭✭STB


    maxg wrote: »
    No, you don't need the dvb-s2 tuner for the channel scan. Without a factory reset you get only dvb-t and analogue in GW10 mode but you need only dvb-t for the saorview scan. The idea is to get the dvb-t channel list in GW10 mode and convert back to a G10B without resetting anything.

    True. And a nice work around. Although a scary few minutes I would think!

    Have you tried it ?


  • #64
    TheDriver
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,575 ✭✭✭✭TheDriver


    sponge bob, thats an excellent idea if it were only possible, it would solve a lot of problems and generate major amount of good will. I am sure RTENL guys read these forums


  • #65
    Sponge Bob
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 25,234 ✭✭✭✭Sponge Bob


    It is eminently possible. It should not be done without giving the forum here heads up so we have a sticky ready to explain any glitches and have the feedback sticky thread ready to rock.

    If it passes quietly ...like the Y2K bug ....then it could be scheduled periodically in future up to 2012. After that I think normal frequency co ordination principles would make it impossible...then again maybe not if it goes well. :)


  • #66
    watty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,417 ✭✭✭✭watty


    There are two more likely ways to fix it:
    1) an SD card editor on PC. Could even use a cheap USB DTT stick to automatically create file. Pretty easy (I could write it less than a day) if we knew the spec of the file structure.

    2) Panasonic do a Software upgrade. It's actually Panasonic's responsibility to fix this and not a big lot of work for them.


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  • #67
    maxg
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 516 ✭✭✭maxg


    watty wrote: »
    There are two more likely ways to fix it:
    1) an SD card editor on PC. Could even use a cheap USB DTT stick to automatically create file. Pretty easy (I could write it less than a day) if we knew the spec of the file structure.

    I don't think you know the keys for decoding the hotel files. The files are crypted.
    2) Panasonic do a Software upgrade. It's actually Panasonic's responsibility to fix this and not a big lot of work for them.

    Panasonic UK simply don't care. The official response in 2009 was that this TV's were sold for the UK market and therefor no update is needed.


  • #68
    watty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,417 ✭✭✭✭watty


    maxg wrote: »
    I don't think you know the keys for decoding the hotel files. The files are crypted.
    I know nothing about the files. But if Panasonic provided the spec, then the "hotel file" or encryption would not be an issue. For most situations it would not be relevant.


  • #69
    STB
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,178 ✭✭✭STB


    Look, RTE NL are not going to be offering amnesty days for people who bought Panasonic Freesat Combo Tvs with crippled dvb-t tuner. There are more with legacy IDTVs that they have to get the message through to.

    I did warn people to backup. The service type flags set by RTE NL are not to cripple UK DBook speced Idtvs with MPEG4 processors. They are set as its a TX standard for MPEG4 SD and MPEG4 HD. They also let people know that their MPEG2 TV wont work - as they simply wont tune in the station in a scan - rather than have a scenario whereby its tuned in with sound and no picture - thats what the flag does to MPEG2 DVB-T Freeview TVs that are compliant with UK DBook or at least what they are meant to do.

    The only way to get it back is through the hotel hacked backup or using the G10/15s hack for the G10/15s only.

    Owners threads best way forward.

    Panasonic Dont Care - but it has been proven that the B models can be turned into European models with the G10s with theequivelant of a registry hack. This facility is no doubt available on the previous versions. Panasonic should provide the details of how to do it.


  • #70
    Sponge Bob
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 25,234 ✭✭✭✭Sponge Bob


    We know Panasonic don't care but if these 0x1 dependent rigs were ever sold through their Irish channel they will care when customers start returning them for a full refund. Panasonic firmware is dodgy and unsupported to say the least :(

    But will RTÉNL care that they are muddying the DTT waters by broadcasting standard DVB-T codes rather than UK D Book crap and losing viewing households....households who invested a lot in digital telly and now have a brick .

    I see nothing absolutely wrong with an amnesty, oul dacency and all that.


  • #71
    fat-tony
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,711 ✭✭✭fat-tony


    The solution to this is in Panasonic's gift - a firmware update made available to owners of these models.

    Perhaps the Saorview certification process for Panasonic could be made conditional on the provision of updates to MPEG-4 capable TVs;)


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  • #72
    Sponge Bob
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 25,234 ✭✭✭✭Sponge Bob


    fat-tony wrote: »
    The solution to this is in Panasonic's gift - a firmware update made available to owners of these models.

    Perhaps the Saorview certification process for Panasonic could be made conditional on the provision of updates to MPEG-4 capable TVs;)

    Yes to 1 and no to 2, they could sue you rotten if you tried pulling that condition on them. If LG and Samsung and Phillips are certified then Panasonic will get certified. They will release firmware if their retailers are being hounded to take back "broken" sets though.

    Imagine if the word spread that every Panasonic sold in Ireland since 2008 ( to date) is in actual fact uncertifiable .

    They would certainly put the firmware code monkey to work in that case :)

    But Panasonic are not the only offenders because I am certain there are other 0x1 flag d-book standard dependent boxes with Mpeg4 out there that are one scan away from a bricking too.


  • #73
    fat-tony
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,711 ✭✭✭fat-tony


    I was a little "tongue-in-cheek" with that suggestion (note the wink!).
    Hopeful that someone in the certification chain might pick up on the Panasonic issue and "suggest" a fix - it's only software after all!
    Much better chance of it happening than RTENL reverting to x'01' on a periodic basis, though.


  • #74
    Sponge Bob
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 25,234 ✭✭✭✭Sponge Bob


    fat-tony wrote: »
    Hopeful that someone in the certification chain might pick up on the Panasonic issue and "suggest" a fix - it's only software after all!
    Much better chance of it happening than RTENL reverting to x'01' on a periodic basis, though.

    Certification has been completely outsourced to Sweden, a box presented to the Swedes is either compliant or not. They have no function whatsoever debugging a bricked box in Ballydehob that was never presented to them. They have no idea what is on the market and are probably unaware of the UK D-Book 0x1 peculiarity.

    The Swedes won't even tell us who FAILED a certification test, we get the positives only :)

    So either the 'market' presses Panasonic into action or nobody does. Panasonic have come from nowhere ...compared to Mitsubishi back in the CRT days, to being a major player. They wish to remain a major player and to do so they must maintain a reputation for quality and service .

    That is the logical pressure point.


  • #75
    John1000
    Closed Accounts Posts: 41 ✭John1000


    I don't see why RTÉ can't fix the problem instantly by changing the flag back to
    0x1. They were transmitting it for nearly a year while people were buying the
    TV's.

    It would be nice to think that RTÉ NL are trying make Saorview as backwards
    compatible as possible with older TV's.


  • #76
    watty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,417 ✭✭✭✭watty


    Because the 01 flag is WRONG!

    You don't want the "proper TVs" and setboxes to be confused?

    The retailers & importers told nearly 2 years ago!


  • #77
    Sponge Bob
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 25,234 ✭✭✭✭Sponge Bob


    0x1 flags , save in very controlled circumstances are wrong. I am only making a case for creating the controlled circumstance to protect millions of € worth of investments by households.


  • #78
    maxg
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 516 ✭✭✭maxg


    watty wrote: »
    Because the 01 flag is WRONG!

    No its not wrong. Its optional to use either 0x01 or 0x16 for SD mpeg4/0x19 for HD mpeg4.


  • #79
    STB
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,178 ✭✭✭STB


    maxg wrote: »
    No its not wrong. Its optional to use either 0x01 or 0x16 for SD mpeg4/0x19 for HD mpeg4.

    Not true. MPEG2 is 0x01 ONLY.


    Nordig get out clause is for operational dvb-t transitional period.


  • #80
    maxg
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 516 ✭✭✭maxg


    A sentence from the NorDig receiver specs:

    This service types (0x01) will be used for a service that only includes MPEG4 AVC video if it is desirable that an "old" SDTV IRD install and list a service (even if the SDTV IRD can not decode the video, used for promotion purpose).


  • #81
    watty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,417 ✭✭✭✭watty


    maxg wrote: »
    A sentence from the NorDig receiver specs:

    This service types (0x01) will be used for a service that only includes MPEG4 AVC video if it is desirable that an "old" SDTV IRD install and list a service (even if the SDTV IRD can not decode the video, used for promotion purpose).
    ;)


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  • #82
    Sponge Bob
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 25,234 ✭✭✭✭Sponge Bob


    watty wrote: »
    ;)

    Would a 0x1 amnesty not be a "promotion of goodwill " as it were.


  • #83
    STB
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,178 ✭✭✭STB


    maxg wrote: »
    A sentence from the NorDig receiver specs:

    This service types (0x01) will be used for a service that only includes MPEG4 AVC video if it is desirable that an "old" SDTV IRD install and list a service (even if the SDTV IRD can not decode the video, used for promotion purpose).

    That specific allowance cop out comes under a heading for transitional arrangements for countries that have an existing SD DVB-T service and are switching to MPEG4. That is what it means by "promotion purpose"! Ireland does not have an existing DVB-T service. We are not switching from MPEG2 to MPEG4.

    ETSI standards are clear on the flag usage of 0x01 which is reserved for MPEG2 only. It is clear that it is needed given the amount of legacy gear whilst never used in this country still exists from our nearest neighbours chain stores.


  • #84
    watty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,417 ✭✭✭✭watty


    Sponge Bob wrote: »
    Would a 0x1 amnesty not be a "promotion of goodwill " as it were.

    yes.

    But how do you organise it and advertise it without encouraging Dealers to sell unsuitable TVs or argue they don't need to refund or replace.

    I'm only trying to see the broader picture :)


  • #85
    fat-tony
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,711 ✭✭✭fat-tony


    Changing the flag back to 0x'01' seems to me to be a "Heath Robinson-ish" way around the problem. It's a bit like the workarounds in HTML / XML /CSS coding to suit Microsoft's non-compliance with specifications in their older browsers. That may have been a pragmatic solution when the non-compliance was in a product which had a massive majority market share, but it caused no end of issues to technical developers of web systems.

    The proper solution to this is for the supply chain to go back to the relatively small number of manufacturers of TVs with actual MPEG-4 capability which are not processing or refusing to scan in channels using the 0x'16' or 0x'19' advanced codec flags and ask them to provide firmware updates.

    As an aside I wonder if OTA updates to devices which haven't gone through formal Saorview approval will be carried through the RTENL network? Or is that a different thread?


  • #86
    watty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,417 ✭✭✭✭watty


    The manufacturer has to provide RTE NL with the files. Only Saorview approved sets are ensured OTA upgrades, but no doubt if the set is compatible with how RTE are able to transmit an OTA upgrade and the manufacturer paid for it, it could be done. IMO if Panasonic do upgrade the Firmware this is a much more likely scenario than RTE NL having "Amnesty 0x01 flag" hours once a month.

    The only sensible way to fix this is firmware. Suitable Firmware is trivial for Panasonic. Much easier also for them to "internally order" than the mysterious internal workings and Management of RTE NL to be changed.


  • #87
    Sponge Bob
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 25,234 ✭✭✭✭Sponge Bob


    fat-tony wrote: »
    Changing the flag back to 0x'01' seems to me to be a "Heath Robinson-ish" way around the problem.

    Very, an Irish solution to an Irish problem comes to mind. That is why it cannot be official, it must be for a few defined hours only, it must be known to those gnomic boards.ie types only ....not officially launched .....and it never happened till the next time, maybe.

    Anyone benefitting from a debricking 0x1 Amnesty had better have an SD card handy for the immediate backup and should sellotape the thing to their tellys afterwards.
    As an aside I wonder if OTA updates to devices which haven't gone through formal Saorview approval will be carried through the RTENL network? Or is that a different thread?

    Ah, will only work if they are not 0x1 dependent, I wonder if an extra 50 kbit channel could be launched just for pumping debricking OTA Firmware out to Panasonics ????

    Sugg Ident,

    "The Panasonic Channel. This is where Panasonic wipe their own asses in public."


  • #88
    Ninjakettle
    Registered Users Posts: 137 ✭✭Ninjakettle


    I'm one of those here who tried contacting and speaking to panasonic about a firmware update - they're not budging. I don't expect anything from RTENL, but i would be grateful if they could give us the chance to tune into the service just once before the official launch date.

    I do intend to chase Panasonic again once the service is properly launched as i think only then is there a small chance they'll listen.


  • #89
    Stinicker
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,102 ✭✭✭Stinicker


    I just got off the end of a 45 minute phone call with the very arrogant and stupid people who work for Panasonic in the UK. They are sticking to their "its a UK Model" mantra and after much pressure eventually told me that the TV is MPEG4 compatible but not MPEG4.H264 combatible. This is a total cop out because the TV can decode the transmissions despite the broadcast flag being changed only it cannot see them for to tune them again.

    Panasonic really are a failure and I am now going after the retailer on the grounds that the TV is clearly not fit for purpose, I feel bad to do this because it is not the retailers fault that Panasonic are such a useless shower of cretins.


  • #90
    watty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,417 ✭✭✭✭watty


    Panasonic may be more inclined to listen to a bunch of irate Retailers and Distribtuters. After all they buy Panasonic every week/month. The customer only every 5 to 10 years.


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  • #91
    Sponge Bob
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 25,234 ✭✭✭✭Sponge Bob


    watty wrote: »
    Panasonic may be more inclined to listen to a bunch of irate Retailers and Distribtuters. After all they buy Panasonic every week/month. The customer only every 5 to 10 years.

    Well Panasonic are the most NON compliant major manufacturer. What about a "Don't Buy a Panasonic In 2011 To Give Them Time To Fix Their Own Mess" campaign. In fairness I would tip off the retailers first .

    They are the only major manufacturer flooding the market with non MHEG5 gear right now, the rest are basically compliant in 2010 and producing MPEG4 tunable sets with MHEG5 functionality.


  • #92
    Apogee
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,802 ✭✭✭Apogee


    Sponge Bob wrote: »
    Well Panasonic are the most NON compliant major manufacturer. What about a "Don't Buy a Panasonic In 2011 To Give Them Time To Fix Their Own Mess" campaign. In fairness I would tip off the retailers first .

    Why not have that line added to the sticky on "TVs working with Saorview"? If nothing else, it would be an interesting experiment in seeing if 'people power' holds any sway with the useless wasters.


  • #93
    Sponge Bob
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 25,234 ✭✭✭✭Sponge Bob


    Apogee wrote: »
    Why not have that line added to the sticky on "TVs working with Saorview"? If nothing else, it would be an interesting experiment in seeing if 'people power' holds any sway with the useless wasters.

    Must report this post and mine to see what the mods think.


  • #94
    watty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,417 ✭✭✭✭watty


    I'm very tempted to add it to saortv.info and techtir


  • #95
    icdg
    Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 11,850 Mod ✭✭✭✭icdg


    Sponge Bob wrote: »
    Must report this post and mine to see what the mods think.

    Don't see any rules broken.


  • #96
    Sponge Bob
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 25,234 ✭✭✭✭Sponge Bob


    It was about an insertion of a Panasonic warning into the Mpeg4 telly sticky, only a mod can edit that first post now :)


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  • #97
    maxg
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 516 ✭✭✭maxg


    STB wrote: »
    ETSI standards are clear on the flag usage of 0x01 which is reserved for MPEG2 only. It is clear that it is needed given the amount of legacy gear whilst never used in this country still exists from our nearest neighbours chain stores.

    There is only a should in the foot note for service type 0x01 regarding mpeg2.
    Btw the service type is only used for scanning and installing a channel in a channel list.
    The data streams got their own flags which specify what is inside a stream.


  • #98
    TheDriver
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,575 ✭✭✭✭TheDriver


    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=69245473#post69245473

    for anyone who got theirs from Richer Sounds


  • #99
    lucernarian
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,235 ✭✭✭lucernarian


    I would also like for one of the Mods to change the "TV's working with Saorview - The List" thread title to something like...

    "List of TVs working with Saorview (No Panasonic PZ81s)" or "List of TVs working with Saorview (Warning: many panasonics may not work)" etc.


  • #100
    championc
    Registered Users Posts: 6,181 ✭✭✭championc


    The idea of the thread is for ALL sets which are confirmed as working by other boardies. If it ain't there, it doesn't work - simple. Otherwise, the list would be monsterous which would be crazy.

    So the thread is for exactly what it says on the tin


  • #101
    Sam Russell
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 19,862 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sam Russell


    Has anyone the Hotel file for Panny L32G10B for 3 Rock?


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