Marlborough Street Public Transport Priority Bridge

Telchak · 20-05-2014 4:54pm

lxflyer wrote: »

I suspect that the cycle lane will be instated when Marlborough Street becomes two way again.

Which will be never. Marlborough Street will be one lane when BXD is complete. And as the Luas crosses from one side of the road to the other, it won't be able to share roadspace with other southbound traffic.

AngryLips · 20-05-2014 4:57pm

monument wrote: »

This just is not true. Contra-flow cycling is included on high to very high volume streets in Dublin.

No, you misunderstand me, I meant cyclists cycling against traffic and in the absence of a contra flow lane is unusual except on low traffic and smaller streets and I've never seen it happen on a city bridge.

monument · 20-05-2014 5:01pm

lxflyer wrote: »

None at first, but taxis can use it.

Perhaps in time some routes may divert that way.

Dublin Bus has a graphic showing some routes that will use the north quays contra-flow bus lane as turning onto the south quays.

This should be using the bus lane on the left side of the bridge. The east side bus lane seems to be only for traffic going straight off the bridge and towards the Garda station.

LXFlyer · 20-05-2014 5:32pm

monument wrote: »

Dublin Bus has a graphic showing some routes that will use the north quays contra-flow bus lane as turning onto the south quays.

This should be using the bus lane on the left side of the bridge. The east side bus lane seems to be only for traffic going straight off the bridge and towards the Garda station.

Apologies, my bad! I misread the question and I thought the question was asking about what routes will use the "with flow" bus lane on Eden Quay between O'Connell Bridge and the Rosie Hackett Bridge, which is none at the moment.

Routes 14, 27x, 33d, 33x and 142 which all stop on D'Olier Street will use the bus lane to turn right onto Burgh Quay.

Routes 15, 27 and 151 will continue straight onto Hawkins Street.

cgcsb · 20-05-2014 8:42pm

lxflyer wrote: »

Apologies, my bad! I misread the question and I thought the question was asking about what routes will use the "with flow" bus lane on Eden Quay between O'Connell Bridge and the Rosie Hackett Bridge, which is none at the moment.

Routes 14, 27x, 33d, 33x and 142 which all stop on D'Olier Street will use the bus lane to turn right onto Burgh Quay.

Routes 15, 27 and 151 will continue straight onto Hawkins Street.

Thankyou. That does seem a little pointless, Hawkins street would give buses faster access through college green, surely all north south routes should just co straight through. If there were routes crossing the bridge and proceeding west on the south quays that might make more sense.

LXFlyer · 20-05-2014 8:48pm

cgcsb wrote: »

Thankyou. That does seem a little pointless, Hawkins street would give buses faster access through college green, surely all north south routes should just co straight through. If there were routes crossing the bridge and proceeding west on the south quays that might make more sense.

It is far from pointless.

Serving stop 336 in D'Olier Street means that both the 14 and 16 have one common stop in the city centre.

Both serve Ballinteer, which means that people travelling there have one city centre stop where they can have a choice of bus.

Routing the 14 via D'Olier Street also means that all three routes operating to Dundrum (14, 44 and 61) all serve the same stop too.

So as you can see it is a little bit of joined up thinking.

The other routes are peak time extras and it isn't so much of an issue.

In the future it is planned for the 27b and 79 to merge - I would expect that route to use the bridge as well. It will continue up the south quays.

NuMarvel · 20-05-2014 9:27pm

Dublin City Council has explained on Twitter why there isn't a contra-flow cycle lane yet:

Northbound cycle lane on #hellorosie hasn't been installed yet as it needs integration with the quay junctions.

I'm not sure what "integration with the quay junctions" means. A fancy way to say they need to install traffic lights for bikes, maybe?

That said, if Marlborough Street is becoming one way, the only available manoeuvre at the end of the contra lane is to turn right, and that's a manoeuvre that can be done earlier at Butt Bridge.

Poxyshamrock · 20-05-2014 10:14pm

NuMarvel wrote: »

Dublin City Council has explained on Twitter why there isn't a contra-flow cycle lane yet:

I'm not sure what "integration with the quay junctions" means. A fancy way to say they need to install traffic lights for bikes, maybe?

That said, if Marlborough Street is becoming one way, the only available manoeuvre at the end of the contra lane is to turn right, and that's a manoeuvre that can be done earlier at Butt Bridge.

I was thinking as much that it would be included later. If the contraflow was to be left out altogether then surely they wouldn't have bothered to leave in the hatched area.

Kermit.de.frog · 21-05-2014 4:44am

Did they rid the area temporarily of the junkies for the ceremony?

Victor · 21-05-2014 5:59am

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Did they rid the area temporarily of the junkies for the ceremony?

Constructive posts only please.

Moderator

stop · 21-05-2014 10:16am

Didn't realise taxis will be using this bridge. It will be interesting to see Taxis trying to jump from the Clifton Court rank across Eden Quay to access the South Quays..

[Jackass] · 21-05-2014 3:37pm

Jayzus, I did a degree in the time it took to build a 40 foot bridge.

So when is the linkup expected to be complete / up and running?

(I presume it wasn't deemed a good idea to be doing the rail either side of the bridge at the same time as the 3+ year construction to have a universal completion date and have it ready to go now?)

Quackster · 21-05-2014 3:57pm

NuMarvel wrote: »

Dublin City Council has explained on Twitter why there isn't a contra-flow cycle lane yet:

I'm not sure what "integration with the quay junctions" means. A fancy way to say they need to install traffic lights for bikes, maybe?

That said, if Marlborough Street is becoming one way, the only available manoeuvre at the end of the contra lane is to turn right, and that's a manoeuvre that can be done earlier at Butt Bridge.

There are plans for a two-way cycleway running along the north quays from the Point to Heuston so when that comes on stream, there will be left and right turns available from the north-bound cycle lane. Subject to the agreement of the newly-elected city council, construction of the cycleway could commence early next year.

TheBandicoot · 21-05-2014 4:17pm

[Jackass] wrote: »

Jayzus, I did a degree in the time it took to build a 40 foot bridge.

So when is the linkup expected to be complete / up and running?

(I presume it wasn't deemed a good idea to be doing the rail either side of the bridge at the same time as the 3+ year construction to have a universal completion date and have it ready to go now?)

I think the bridge was designed and funded before it was 100% that Luas BXD was going ahead. The bridge was needed anyway for bus routes even if BXD had not been confirmed.

[Jackass] · 22-05-2014 8:03am

Victor wrote: »

https://www.facebook.com/DublinCityCouncil/photos/a.394578949624.157734.162299714624/10153241220694625/?type=1&theater
I disagree.

I agree, the bridge looks very well imo. Even better when a few Luas' are wizzing across it. I just wish they dressed up the rest of the quays as much as they have this new bridge. It looks a bit overkill / out of place with it being so lit up compared to the dark, dingey backdrop. Further down the quays towards Dublin bay there's plenty of mood lighting that makes the quays look great at night, but they should really do it the whole length to Phoenix Park.

Also, it's a shame the playhouse / liberty hall thing was so brief, always thought it added a lot to the quays and would look well as a backdrop to the new bridge.

Victor · 22-05-2014 8:53am

Bridge spotters

Victor · 22-05-2014 9:01am

The first litter

Victor · 22-05-2014 9:04am

These are the fixings for the 'Dutch dams'

http://www.dutchdam.com/pages/en/home.php?lang=EN
http://assets.knowledge.allianz.com/img/aquobex_springdam_at_vulcan_house_iron_w_elevation_2_ah_62332.jpg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=96mX4kgxiAs

Aemtler · 22-05-2014 9:09am

Thanks for the photos Victor. I will have to head down there at some point and check it out live.

Victor · 22-05-2014 9:15am

LeinsterDub · 22-05-2014 9:46am

Nip picking but is it just me or does the name plaque look dirty/old already?

Victor · 22-05-2014 10:20am

LeinsterDub wrote: »

Nip picking

It does nit. :pac:

Perhaps that it was a dusk / night shot probably doesn't help.

Carawaystick · 22-05-2014 11:17am

Victor wrote: »

Why is there a gap in the traffic island, but no dish in the riverside kerb?
Why no no-entry signs, just markings?

LeinsterDub · 22-05-2014 12:37pm

Victor wrote: »

It does nit. :pac:

Perhaps that it was a dusk / night shot probably doesn't help.

Stupid phone !

Victor · 22-05-2014 2:05pm

Carawaystick wrote: »

Why no no-entry signs, just markings?

They were still working on it on Tuesday evening.

Aard · 22-05-2014 2:41pm

The new bridge looks well when viewed from O'Connell Bridge, and the lights frame the Custom House nicely.

ongarboy · 23-05-2014 9:19am

Those pictures look fantastic - maybe it was the dusk and lighting effect but it has turned out much better than I envisaged. Hopefully, it might be the catalyst to improve the overall Eden Quay/Burgh Quay area as it was a rather grotty area. There's a few vacant period buildings at the corner of Marlborough St and more along Eden Quay that are just crying out for TLC. If they were put to good public/commercial use, it would keep the momentum going.

FreudianSlippers · 23-05-2014 3:52pm

IMHO it looks much better in person.

noelfirl · 23-05-2014 4:56pm

My main concern would be that they actually do the frigging upkeep on the lights this time. Last time I went down by Beckett bridge the vast majority of the underside ones were blown out. Not to mention the used to be perpetually half-on half-off James Joyce Bridge. And the underside of the Ha'penny bridge, has that been re-illuminated yet? We don't exactly have form here...

grimbergen · 23-05-2014 11:01pm

Quackster wrote: »

There are plans for a two-way cycleway running along the north quays from the Point to Heuston so when that comes on stream, there will be left and right turns available from the north-bound cycle lane. Subject to the agreement of the newly-elected city council, construction of the cycleway could commence early next year.

Will this be segregated like the grand cycle route? Great if true

Victor · 23-05-2014 11:49pm

grimbergen wrote: »

Will this be segregated like the grand cycle route? Great if true

Generally yes, but space is a bit tight in places, so there might be some sections of shared space with pedestrians.

Conway635 · 26-05-2014 7:10am

Watching this in operation on Saturday I noted a few problems with buses trying to exit the bridge, as traffic on Burgh Quay ignores the yellow box and queues solidly across it.

Looks like they are installing lights, but not in operation yet.

C635

L1011 · 26-05-2014 10:19am

The traffic lights on Burgh Quay were working on Friday evening I could have sworn.

FreudianSlippers · 26-05-2014 10:21am

MYOB wrote: »

The traffic lights on Burgh Quay were working on Friday evening I could have sworn.

Working on Thursday IIRC

Conway635 · 26-05-2014 10:25am

Ah, OK.

Weren't working around 1.30-2pm Saturday for some reason, and in particular the "straight across" buses to hawkins Street were having difficulty.

Good to see it is being used by Bus Eireann westbound services as well as the DB routes.

C635

TheBandicoot · 26-05-2014 5:48pm

Conway635 wrote: »

traffic on Burgh Quay ignores the yellow box and queues solidly across it.

Where were the Gardai?

Guess other posters were right about this persisting after the bridge opened..

markpb · 26-05-2014 8:01pm

TheBandicoot wrote: »

Where were the Gardai?

Not enforcing the road traffic acts as always.

LXFlyer · 26-05-2014 8:07pm

Lights certainly working today.

ongarboy · 27-05-2014 12:35pm

Love the new Dublin-ism for it....take a mosey across the rosie!

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/take-a-mosey-across-the-rosie-rosie-hackett-bridge-opened-30289965.html

cgcsb · 27-05-2014 8:42pm

I like the new bridge, it certainly has increased footfall on marlborough street. I have a few quibbles though. The bridge is not integrated into the adjoining streets. If I'm walking from Marlborough st to Hawkins st, I have to cross Eden quay on to the east side of the bridge(pedestrian facilities on the other side are only partially built). Then upon reaching the south end of the bridge, I can't cross straight away, I have to cross onto the west side of the bridge to complete a crossing.

On the up side there were plenty of decent folk enjoying the sun on the benches, not a junkie in sight.

Marlborough Street Public Transport Priority Bridge

Comments