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  • #652
    Dempsey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,553 ✭✭✭✭Dempsey


    Jelle1880 wrote: »
    Yeah, and then I admitted that it was a mess and that Whyte's a dick, what's your point ?

    Everybody here knows how bad it is, this has **** all to do with 'educating Rangers fans'.

    My point was that you are an example of who he is talking about! :rolleyes:


  • #653
    Jelle1880
    Registered Users Posts: 9,839 ✭✭✭Jelle1880


    Yeah, I'm sure that's why he posted that :pac:


  • #654
    lubo_moravcik
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,623 ✭✭✭lubo_moravcik


    Jelle1880 wrote: »
    Yeah, I'm sure that's why he posted that :rolleyes:

    The point stands though Jelle. BobbySands81 has been saying it for months and was continuously shot down for it, people refused to believe it. On here and FF people said it won't happen because Rangers are too big, They are the people after all. This isn't about right or wrong, but the clip is laughable though as there is a lot of truth in the conversation, whether you want to believe that or not.


  • #655
    Jelle1880
    Registered Users Posts: 9,839 ✭✭✭Jelle1880


    Would you believe it if it was Rangers fans saying the same things about Celtic ?

    Because that's why nobody cared about it, Celtic fans seemed to be the only ones mentioning it (Oh, and the BBC, that bastion of honesty).


  • #656
    Fuhrer
    Registered Users Posts: 4,661 ✭✭✭Fuhrer


    Jelle1880 wrote: »
    Would you believe it if it was Rangers fans saying the same things about Celtic ?

    Because that's why nobody cared about it, Celtic fans seemed to be the only ones mentioning it (Oh, and the BBC, that bastion of honesty).

    Ah yes, blaming the BBC again. My favourite paranoid rant after the FA being a Kangaroo court


  • #657
    lubo_moravcik
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,623 ✭✭✭lubo_moravcik


    Jelle1880 wrote: »
    Would you believe it if it was Rangers fans saying it all ?

    I'm old and daft enough to remember the 90's when we were in the ****. I was told this by Rangers fans and the media on a continuous basis. I had no choice but to believe it Jelle, as much as I didn't want to believe this was happening to the club I love.
    This was enough for people to demand the truth, answers and change. What's happened at Rangers is a belief that it would never happen to them, and to be honest there's a part of me that understands that.

    Do you think if the likes of The Gub/Dingwall/RST etc believed what was being said that something might have been done before it got to this?? My experiences on FF ( I know that forum isn't the voice of rangers fans) are seeing some people being banned for actually questioning Whyte. Now seems as if the penny is dropping for Dingwall.


  • #658
    Jelle1880
    Registered Users Posts: 9,839 ✭✭✭Jelle1880


    Fuhrer wrote: »
    Ah yes, blaming the BBC again. My favourite paranoid rant after the FA being a Kangaroo court

    Nah, the 'FA' is nice, they helped us last season with Bougherra ;)

    But there's no denying that BBC Scotland are a joke.


  • #659
    lubo_moravcik
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,623 ✭✭✭lubo_moravcik


    Jelle1880 wrote: »
    Would you believe it if it was Rangers fans saying the same things about Celtic ?

    Because that's why nobody cared about it, Celtic fans seemed to be the only ones mentioning it (Oh, and the BBC, that bastion of honesty).
    You won't be watching this then?
    Newsnight Scotland 11pm
    The guy who did the programme on Craig Whyte, Mark Daly, will be talking about the developments today. I know its the BBC but thought some might be intrested in what he has to say on this.

    Mark Daly@markdaly2Reply
    Retweet

    I'll be on @NewsnightScot tonight at 11 with a bit of analysis on the latest develoments with #Rangers
    Supposedly Dingwall and Spiers are on Scotland Tonight, STV at 10:30


  • #660
    Jelle1880
    Registered Users Posts: 9,839 ✭✭✭Jelle1880


    lubo_moravcik wrote: »
    I'm old and daft enough to remember the 90's when we were in the ****. I was told this by Rangers fans and the media on a continuous basis. I had no choice but to believe it Jelle, as much as I didn't want to believe this was happening to the club I love.
    This was enough for people to demand the truth, answers and change. What's happened at Rangers is a belief that it would never happen to them, and to be honest there's a part of me that understands that.

    Do you think if the likes of The Gub/Dingwall/RST etc believed what was being said that something might have been done before it got to this?? My experiences on FF ( I know that forum isn't the voice of rangers fans) are seeing some people being banned for actually questioning Whyte. Now seems as if the penny is dropping for Dingwall.

    Actually FF was where a lot of people were extremely sceptical about Whyte early on, but not everybody saw it which lead to some discussions.


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  • #661
    Dempsey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,553 ✭✭✭✭Dempsey


    Jelle1880 wrote: »
    Would you believe it if it was Rangers fans saying the same things about Celtic ?

    Because that's why nobody cared about it, Celtic fans seemed to be the only ones mentioning it (Oh, and the BBC, that bastion of honesty).

    You seem to think that the allegiance of whoever is writing an article is more important than whether the information given is accurate or not. Thats what you've been at for months on this forum.

    Seems that story the BBC ran on Whyte was more accurate than you ever wanted to give credit for! Tell me, did Whyte sue them in the end like he said he would? Are you still taking Whyte's word over the BBC?


  • #662
    Jelle1880
    Registered Users Posts: 9,839 ✭✭✭Jelle1880


    Dempsey wrote: »
    You seem to think that the allegiance of whoever is writing an article is more important than whether the information given is accurate or not. Thats what you've been at for months on this forum.

    Seems that story the BBC ran on Whyte was more accurate than you ever wanted to give credit for! Tell me, did Whyte sue them in the end like he said he would? Are you still taking Whyte's word over the BBC?

    Yeah, that's exactly what I'm saying :rolleyes:

    Give it a rest, putting words in my mouth (or trying to) is getting boring.
    The fact the BBC were claiming these things about Whyte doesn't change the fact they will do anything to smear the name of Rangers (McCoist's interview comes to mind, where they admitted to deliberately editing the video).


  • #663
    Dempsey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,553 ✭✭✭✭Dempsey


    Jelle1880 wrote: »
    Yeah, that's exactly what I'm saying :rolleyes:

    Give it a rest, putting words in my mouth (or trying to) is getting boring.

    I remember the slating all the Rangers fans on here were doing about the BBC despite the fact the information they had was readily available from alternative sources. You all lapped up Whyte's statement about suing the BBC, thinking that he was telling the truth at the time, and stuck your heads back in the sand for another day.


  • #664
    Jelle1880
    Registered Users Posts: 9,839 ✭✭✭Jelle1880


    Dempsey wrote: »
    I remember the slating all the Rangers fans on here were doing about the BBC despite the fact the information they had was readily available from alternative sources. You all lapped up Whyte's statement about suing the BBC, thinking that he was telling the truth at the time, and stuck your heads back in the sand for another day.

    Thanks Captain Hindsight.


  • #665
    fionnsda
    Closed Accounts Posts: 189 ✭✭fionnsda


    brogan rogan trevino and hogan


  • #666
    Coillte_Bhoy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,909 ✭✭✭Coillte_Bhoy


    Jelle1880 wrote: »
    Thanks Captain Hindsight.

    You just dont understand the concept of hindsight do you?


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  • #667
    Jelle1880
    Registered Users Posts: 9,839 ✭✭✭Jelle1880


    Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »
    You just dont understand the concept of hindsight do you?

    I think you're the one not fully grasping it's meaning.

    What I quoted was stuff that happened months ago.
    So yeah, hindsight and all that.

    Look it up.


  • #668
    Dempsey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,553 ✭✭✭✭Dempsey


    Jelle1880 wrote: »
    Thanks Captain Hindsight.

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=75042032&postcount=1232

    I knew about Whyte's past long before he bought Rangers, long before the BBC did their documentary. All you could was nitpick, deflect and refuse to accept the truth, like you did when the ticketus scandal broke.
    Jelle1880 wrote: »
    This thread seems to suggest otherwise. ;)

    There's a difference between being involved in some dodgy deals, and the pure character assassination the BBC are doing now.
    Funny that Murray hasn't been mentioned even once in this documentary.
    After all, isn't he the one responsible for this whole mess ?

    All the BBC have are allegations and suspicions, and they decide to spend an entire show on it, inviting some of the biggest Rangers haters out there in the process.
    Allow me to be extremely skeptical about their motives.

    There was no explaining to you, regardless of where the information was coming from.


  • #669
    Jelle1880
    Registered Users Posts: 9,839 ✭✭✭Jelle1880


    Dempsey wrote: »
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=75042032&postcount=1232

    I knew about Whyte's past long before he bought Rangers, long before the BBC did their documentary. All you could was nitpick, deflect and refuse to accept the truth, like you did when the ticketus scandal broke.



    There was no explaining to you, regardless of where the information was coming from.

    And... ?

    I'm not too big to admit that I was wrong about Whyte, no idea why you feel the need to act as if I'm still defending him.


  • #670
    bobmalooka
    Registered Users Posts: 1,521 ✭✭✭bobmalooka


    Jelle1880 wrote: »
    And... ?

    I'm not too big to admit that I was wrong about Whyte, no idea why you feel the need to act as if I'm still defending him.

    I think the point is you would rather argue black was white (whyte :D ) than listen to anything a celtic fan has to say.


  • #671
    Dempsey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,553 ✭✭✭✭Dempsey


    Jelle1880 wrote: »
    And... ?

    I'm not too big to admit that I was wrong about Whyte, no idea why you feel the need to act as if I'm still defending him.

    I was questioning his credentials long before he even completed his due diligence at rangers. Calling me captain hindsight is ridiculous given I was questioning how he would get through the fit and proper persons test! :rolleyes:


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  • #672
    lubo_moravcik
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,623 ✭✭✭lubo_moravcik


    Anyone watching 'Scotland Tonight' now on STV??


  • #673
    Jelle1880
    Registered Users Posts: 9,839 ✭✭✭Jelle1880


    Dempsey wrote: »
    I was questioning his credentials long before he even completed his due diligence at rangers. Calling me captain hindsight is ridiculous given I was questioning how he would get through the fit and proper persons test! :rolleyes:

    I called you Captain Hindsight because you felt it necessary to bring all that up.

    What do you want, a medal ? ;)


  • #674
    lubo_moravcik
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,623 ✭✭✭lubo_moravcik


    Craig Whyte says he is 'personally guaranteed £27m' :D

    Give the man a medal


  • #675
    bobmalooka
    Registered Users Posts: 1,521 ✭✭✭bobmalooka


    Jelle1880 wrote: »
    I called you Captain Hindsight because you felt it necessary to bring all that up.

    What do you want, a medal ? ;)

    and you questioned if someone else understood what Hindsight meant? :)


  • #676
    Coillte_Bhoy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,909 ✭✭✭Coillte_Bhoy


    Jelle1880 wrote: »
    I think you're the one not fully grasping it's meaning.

    What I quoted was stuff that happened months ago.
    So yeah, hindsight and all that.

    Look it up.

    No jellie, hindsight is being wise after the event, this was all said months ago but you chose to ignore it.
    It's more a case of 'i told you so' rather than hindsight.
    Oh i give up. Whats that old saying? "Never argue with a fool because they will drag you down to their level and beat you through experience" or something like that anyway.


  • #677
    Jelle1880
    Registered Users Posts: 9,839 ✭✭✭Jelle1880


    bobmalooka wrote: »
    and you questioned if someone else understood what Hindsight meant? :)

    Hindsight, as in 'In hindsight, Rangers fans should have listened to Celtic fans and the BBC'.

    Seems fairly accurate to me.

    edit: Spiers truly is a cretin of the highest order, a disgrace that he calls himself a Rangers fan.
    He's ****ting it from Dingwall :D


  • #678
    Dempsey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,553 ✭✭✭✭Dempsey


    Jelle1880 wrote: »
    I called you Captain Hindsight because you felt it necessary to bring all that up.

    What do you want, a medal ? ;)

    In your attempt to be a smart arse, you just embarrassed yourself! :D


  • #679
    Jelle1880
    Registered Users Posts: 9,839 ✭✭✭Jelle1880


    Dempsey wrote: »
    In your attempt to be a smart arse, you just embarrassed yourself! :D

    Whatever makes you sleep at night :)


  • #680
    Dempsey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,553 ✭✭✭✭Dempsey


    Jelle1880 wrote: »
    Whatever makes you sleep at night :)

    Reminds me of...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b97zJxKEqAk


  • #681
    Beefy78
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,166 ✭✭✭Beefy78


    lubo_moravcik wrote: »
    Craig Whyte says he is 'personally guaranteed £27m' :D

    Give the man a medal

    Isn't he saying that he has personally guaranteed £27m (ie when he got the loan against the season ticket money he's had to put down security at that level)?


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  • #682
    celticbest
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,092 ✭✭✭celticbest


    HMRC's response to craig whyte's / rangers accucations,

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-17127983
    Rangers administration: HMRC says club was 'treated fairly' over tax debts Craig Whyte had claimed the tax authorities were targeting Rangers Continue reading the main story

    The tax authorities have denied claims that Rangers Football Club is being treated unfairly over its tax debts.

    Craig Whyte, who took over the club last year, had suggested that officials seemed to be determined to "make an example" of Rangers.

    The Ibrox club was forced into administration last week over an unpaid tax bill of £9m.

    HMRC said its action against Rangers was a last resort and that it did not do deals on tax with companies.

    A spokesman for HMRC said: "We can't discuss specific cases for legal reasons, but tax that has been deducted at source from the wages of players and support staff, such as ground keepers and physios, must be paid over to HMRC.

    "Any business that fails to meet that basic legal requirement puts the survival of the business at risk."

    In a statement issued on Tuesday, Mr Whyte said: "Given that HMRC had seen fit to reach agreements with huge corporations owing far more than Rangers - Vodafone, for example - it was difficult to understand why they were being so inflexible unless, of course, they were simply determined to make an example of Rangers."

    But that suggestion was flatly rejected by the HMRC spokesman.

    He added: "Any business that regards paying tax as an optional extra after other expenses are met, or that uses tax collected from employees or customers as working capital, is potentially heading for trouble.

    "There is little HMRC can do for a business - be it a football club or not - whose viability is dependent either on not paying the UK taxes to which they are liable, or on special treatment not available to other customers with similar tax affairs."


  • #683
    Dempsey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,553 ✭✭✭✭Dempsey


    Hector doesnt do walking away....


  • #684
    Jelle1880
    Registered Users Posts: 9,839 ✭✭✭Jelle1880


    HMRC said its action against Rangers was a last resort and that it did not do deals on tax with companies.

    Apart from Vodafone then, or Arsenal, or Goldman Sach's.


  • #685
    Dempsey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,553 ✭✭✭✭Dempsey


    Jelle1880 wrote: »
    Apart from Vodafone then, or Arsenal, or Goldman Sach's.

    It was the vodafone 'deal' that saw a policy change in how HMRC now deals with companies. Should have tried to settle before Vodafone ruined it for everyone! :P


  • #686
    RoryMac
    Registered Users Posts: 5,320 ✭✭✭RoryMac


    Jelle1880 wrote: »
    Apart from Vodafone then, or Arsenal, or Goldman Sach's.

    The HMRC statement seems to be in relation to the recent £9m unpaid PAYE bill, I can't imagine the HMRC have shown flexibility to anyone over unpaid PAYE.


  • #687
    A Dub in Glasgo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,279 ✭✭✭✭A Dub in Glasgo


    Exactly, different story dodging your corpo tax but if a company deducts tax and NI from their employees and refuses to hand it over, they can expect no leniency from HMRC.

    I can't understand why Whyte is not done for fraud?


  • #688
    bobbysands81
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,213 ✭✭✭bobbysands81


    Jelle1880 wrote: »
    edit: Spiers truly is a cretin of the highest order, a disgrace that he calls himself a Rangers fan.
    He's ****ting it from Dingwall :D

    Are Dingwall and Spiers fighting???


  • #689
    bobbysands81
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,213 ✭✭✭bobbysands81


    Jelle1880 wrote: »
    Apart from Vodafone then, or Arsenal, or Goldman Sach's.

    Rangers need to take responsibility for their actions instead of crying that they're being treated differently to others.

    If Rangers had paid their tax in the first place they wouldn't be having these arguments.


  • #690
    Jelle1880
    Registered Users Posts: 9,839 ✭✭✭Jelle1880


    bobbysands81 wrote: »
    Are Dingwall and Spiers fighting???

    No, Spiers desperately trying to get attention, Dingwall didn't even look at him once. :D


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  • #691
    bobbysands81
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,213 ✭✭✭bobbysands81


    Jelle1880 wrote: »
    No, Spiers desperately trying to get attention, Dingwall didn't even look at him once. :D

    Sounds amazing, thanks.


  • #692
    fionnsda
    Closed Accounts Posts: 189 ✭✭fionnsda


    tonights tweets

    Graham Spiers @GrahamSpiers

    What still amazes me is the way many of the 'Rangers hardcore' - FF and these VB characters - utterly adored Craig Whyte. Shocking dimness.

    anon@GrahamSpiers did u check the vb website. Remarkable. And scary.
    Graham Spiers @GrahamSpiers
    Agreed. The VBs on this have been hilarious. Terrific comedy...

    i think he's seen as a traitor for being honest.

    rangers fans don't do honesty!:D


  • #693
    Jelle1880
    Registered Users Posts: 9,839 ✭✭✭Jelle1880


    A traitor ?
    If only.

    The guy's a liar, claims he's had a season ticket years ago but when quizzed on it he gets the basic facts wrong, like who played for Rangers in those seasons, or where he stood at Ibrox,...

    Also, he's obviously lying about FF, everybody knows he has a login there so he should know that FF is extremely anti-Whyte these days (apart from timmy infiltrators trying to stir **** up ;) ).


  • #694
    lubo_moravcik
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,623 ✭✭✭lubo_moravcik


    Jelle1880 wrote: »
    A traitor ?
    If only.

    The guy's a liar, claims he's had a season ticket years ago but when quizzed on it he gets the basic facts wrong, like who played for Rangers in those seasons, or where he stood at Ibrox,...

    Also, he's obviously lying about FF, everybody knows he has a login there so he should know that FF is extremely anti-Whyte these days (apart from timmy infiltrators trying to stir **** up ;) ).
    The Timposters are doing a great job over there just now


  • #695
    Jelle1880
    Registered Users Posts: 9,839 ✭✭✭Jelle1880


    lubo_moravcik wrote: »
    The Timposters are doing a great job over there just now

    Hardly, most of them don't get further than 2 posts before they can't control themselves.


  • #696
    RoryMac
    Registered Users Posts: 5,320 ✭✭✭RoryMac


    Jelle1880 wrote: »
    A traitor ?
    If only.

    The guy's a liar, claims he's had a season ticket years ago but when quizzed on it he gets the basic facts wrong, like who played for Rangers in those seasons, or where he stood at Ibrox,...

    Also, he's obviously lying about FF, everybody knows he has a login there so he should know that FF is extremely anti-Whyte these days (apart from timmy infiltrators trying to stir **** up ;) ).

    If only you'd listened to the timmy infiltrators a year ago!!


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  • #697
    lubo_moravcik
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,623 ✭✭✭lubo_moravcik


    Jelle1880 wrote: »
    lubo_moravcik wrote: »
    The Timposters are doing a great job over there just now

    Hardly, most of them don't get further than 2 posts before they can't control themselves.
    Glad you think so. Do you remember bears.net?


  • #698
    bobbysands81
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,213 ✭✭✭bobbysands81


    lubo_moravcik wrote: »
    Glad you think so. Do you remember bears.net?

    One of my favourite wind-ups ever!!!


  • #699
    PauloMN
    Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional North East Moderators Posts: 10,869 Mod ✭✭✭✭PauloMN


    bobbysands81 wrote: »
    One of my favourite wind-ups ever!!!

    I missed that one, do tell....


  • #700
    fionnsda
    Closed Accounts Posts: 189 ✭✭fionnsda


    PauloMN wrote: »
    I missed that one, do tell....

    me to...come on now tell all! :)


  • #701
    Jelle1880
    Registered Users Posts: 9,839 ✭✭✭Jelle1880


    lubo_moravcik wrote: »
    Glad you think so. Do you remember bears.net?

    Not a clue, but it's no Operation Tango.


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