UK man faces jail for "accidentally" slapping Ryanair stewardess on bottom

end of the road · 26-05-2014 3:44pm

Tramps Like Us wrote: »

How is it OTT, its sexual harassment from a drunken lech on a woman trying to do her job. He needs to be taught a lesson

no he doesn't, to do so is to costly and would be for no benefit

chrissb8 · 26-05-2014 3:45pm

Tramps Like Us wrote: »

How is it OTT, its sexual harassment from a drunken lech on a woman trying to do her job. He needs to be taught a lesson

So by that logic how about punish everyone who has ever gone in for a kiss on a girl who doesn't want it or grinding up against a woman on a nightclub dancefloor. I think a nice fine and the fact he's published for doing this in the paper will be enough to deter him and alot of other people in future. She has every right to complain but I think there's a bit too much over reaction. Calm down.

end of the road · 26-05-2014 3:49pm

Tramps Like Us wrote: »

Yes, not for life but a few weeks would teach him a lesson, time and time again we see people with a slew of convictions not serving time.

It just highlights the double standard some have to sexual harrassment, they think its not a "proper crime"

its not a lesson worth teaching, its to costly, jail should be for murderers rapists or other violent criminals, all he was was a stupid idiot, sending people to prison just to teach them a lesson rather then the fact they commited a crime is not cost effective

P. Breathnach · 26-05-2014 3:52pm

mike65 wrote: »

You know in the old days, a female member of the cabin crew would either smile through gritted teeth, come back with a witty slightly demeaning riposte or would just spit in his food later.

Now its a a ****ing crime :rolleyes: ...

We live in more enlightened times. [Well, in some respects, anyway.]

end of the road · 26-05-2014 3:53pm

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

not unless you reported it....a female getting groped in her workplace is different.

different to what, if its not right to grope a woman then its not right to grope a man either.

B.A._Baracus · 26-05-2014 3:54pm

Jail is too harsh.
The correct punishment should have been a hard slap right to his face... or the old stewardess trick (eyedrops in the tea or coffee)

26-05-2014 3:58pm

B.A._Baracus wrote: »

Jail is too harsh.
The correct punishment should have been a hard slap right to his face... or the old stewardess trick (eyedrops in the tea or coffee)

or better yet, accidently' spilling a hot coffee in his lap :eek::D

end of the road · 26-05-2014 4:00pm

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

he should be given a final chance to dismiss the "accident" and tell the truth...and then off with a punishment other than jail...if he lies then jail him....

what sort of bs suggestion is that? how do you know he isn't telling the truth, he's punishment should be based on the supposed crime and not on the basis of him telling the truth or not, such gibberish

GalwayGuy2 · 26-05-2014 4:11pm

Hmmm, from now on that woman will see herself as being a victim of 'Assault'.

Muise... · 26-05-2014 4:32pm

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

I worked as a lounge boy many moons ago and a slap or a pinch on the ass from a group of drunk women happened quite a lot

I worked as a lounge girl many moons ago too, and I hated getting groped, especially when my hands were full so I couldn't defend myself. I used to report it to the bouncers and the owners of the wandering hands would be kicked out. I think any man working the same job should be given the same protection - how did you and your workplace deal with it?

chrissb8 wrote: »

So by that logic how about punish everyone who has ever gone in for a kiss on a girl who doesn't want it or grinding up against a woman on a nightclub dancefloor. I think a nice fine and the fact he's published for doing this in the paper will be enough to deter him and alot of other people in future. She has every right to complain but I think there's a bit too much over reaction. Calm down.

That's not the same logic at all. It's not the going in for the kiss/grinding that is the problem - it's continuing it after being asked to stop. And this is a workplace incident anyway- it's never OK to put moves on someone there. I don't even think it was a move, more of an attempt to embarrass the stewardess in front of everyone to impress his friends.

BBJBIG · 26-05-2014 4:50pm

Jayz - she musht have been "a fine bita sthuff" all the same ...

At laest he wasn't givin it "de hand shandy" under a newspaper ...

Motivator · 26-05-2014 6:04pm

I worked in a bar in Galway for a few months when I was in my early 20s. The amount of time I was harrassed by women on hen nights & work nights out was insane. I eased the pain by riding a huge number of these women. My plan was as simple as it was effective. I would pick 1 sexy old woman in a group & make sure I would wind her up to the point where she'd get egged on by the others to make a move on me. I used to play up on the fact that I was only a youngfella & it was like a red rag to a bull. They used to literally hop on me. I used to tell them which nightclubs were the best & I used to get them discounted drinks from a mate who worked in a club. I'd get them drunk, send them to him, he'd mind them for me & id show up after work & have a few drinks with them. More often than not myself & my mate would end up in the same hotel room with 2 women. I honestly think I did that more than 50 times in the 3 years I worked in the pub.

* Oh, also I know that story had nothing to with the thread & it's topic but I just love telling that story. I also love the fact that someone reading this is thinking of the time their mother/aunt/sister/wife/girlfriend went to Galway with the girls. Yes that's right, I probably rode her.

McDermotX · 26-05-2014 9:08pm

Motivator wrote: »

I worked in a bar in Galway for a few months when I was in my early 20s. The amount of time I was harrassed by women on hen nights & work nights out was insane. I eased the pain by riding a huge number of these women. My plan was as simple as it was effective. I would pick 1 sexy old woman in a group & make sure I would wind her up to the point where she'd get egged on by the others to make a move on me. I used to play up on the fact that I was only a youngfella & it was like a red rag to a bull. They used to literally hop on me. I used to tell them which nightclubs were the best & I used to get them discounted drinks from a mate who worked in a club. I'd get them drunk, send them to him, he'd mind them for me & id show up after work & have a few drinks with them. More often than not myself & my mate would end up in the same hotel room with 2 women. I honestly think I did that more than 50 times in the 3 years I worked in the pub.

* Oh, also I know that story had nothing to with the thread & it's topic but I just love telling that story. I also love the fact that someone reading this is thinking of the time their mother/aunt/sister/wife/girlfriend went to Galway with the girls. Yes that's right, I probably rode her.

Cool story bro.....

FudgeBrownie · 26-05-2014 9:16pm

steveone wrote: »

Did anyone see the offended bum ? Was it worth it one wonders..

Good point. Pictures or this story isn't sh!t.

shopaholic01 · 26-05-2014 9:26pm

Motivator wrote: »

I worked in a bar in Galway for a few months when I was in my early 20s. The amount of time I was harrassed by women on hen nights & work nights out was insane. I eased the pain by riding a huge number of these women. My plan was as simple as it was effective. I would pick 1 sexy old woman in a group & make sure I would wind her up to the point where she'd get egged on by the others to make a move on me. I used to play up on the fact that I was only a youngfella & it was like a red rag to a bull. They used to literally hop on me. I used to tell them which nightclubs were the best & I used to get them discounted drinks from a mate who worked in a club. I'd get them drunk, send them to him, he'd mind them for me & id show up after work & have a few drinks with them. More often than not myself & my mate would end up in the same hotel room with 2 women. I honestly think I did that more than 50 times in the 3 years I worked in the pub.

* Oh, also I know that story had nothing to with the thread & it's topic but I just love telling that story. I also love the fact that someone reading this is thinking of the time their mother/aunt/sister/wife/girlfriend went to Galway with the girls. Yes that's right, I probably rode her.

:eek:
Daddy?

Ficheall · 26-05-2014 9:33pm

"“He was looking at me as if I was a piece of meat,” her statement said."

That phrase always puzzles me. For one thing, on the rare occasions when a lass does find me attractive, it takes an awful lot of things said and hints dropped before I'd twig that she found me attractive. How come this woman tell, presumably, when someone wants to have sex with her, just by how they look at her?
Do they do this: http://sprudge.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/Dan5.png ?

Also, what on earth does she be doing in a butcher's?

Sulla Felix · 26-05-2014 9:43pm

mike65 wrote: »

hang on isn't that the Prenderville defence?

I will die happy if this becomes its new name.

IrishEyes19 · 26-05-2014 9:46pm

The responses by some men here have really surprised me. this has nothing to do with a woman indecently slapping a guy. the incident in question is a man slapped a woman, focus on the issue in hand and if the table was turned, the same legal action should be taken as well. But anytime now a woman is involved in one of these cases, the male brigade come out in full force saying "if a woman did this...." well in this case she didnt.

Muise... · 26-05-2014 9:49pm

IrishEyes19 wrote: »

The responses by some men here have really surprised me. this has nothing to do with a woman indecently slapping a guy. the incident in question is a man slapped a woman, focus on the issue in hand and if the table was turned, the same legal action should be taken as well. But anytime now a woman is involved in one of these cases, the male brigade come out in full force saying "if a woman did this...." well in this case she didnt.

It's all the rage, this gender whataboutery -blast them with reverse the genders!!

mikeymouse · 26-05-2014 9:50pm

B.A._Baracus wrote: »

Jail is too harsh.
The correct punishment should have been a hard slap right to his face... or the old stewardess trick (eyedrops in the tea or coffee)

Tea or Coffee on a Ryanair flight?......
He would have to be very drunk.

Technophobia · 26-05-2014 9:53pm

See its not a competition, its not a war. No one has the right to put their hands on you regardless of if you are male or female.

We KNOW it happens to men too. We KNOW. We get it.

He probably wont get jail time but she was in work. If one of you were in your office and did this to someone, you would be fired.

"You know in the old days, a female member of the cabin crew would either smile through gritted teeth, come back with a witty slightly demeaning riposte or would just spit in his food later.

Now its a a ****ing crime Does he go on the sexual offenders register?"

So she should put up with it? This is a ridiculous post.

Shakespeare's Sister · 26-05-2014 10:03pm

mike65 wrote: »

You know in the old days, a female member of the cabin crew would either smile through gritted teeth, come back with a witty slightly demeaning riposte or would just spit in his food later.

The good old days eh?
I don't think this guy should be sentenced at all, and I think he was being a drunken dope rather than a monster (but what he did was still horrible for the woman) and there would be less of a big deal made in relation to a bunch of rowdy hens acting the twat towards male workers... but the above post... Jesus Christ.
I used to work in a place where women in the 70s/80s avoided who they got into the lift with and who they'd end up in a quiet part of the building with... but so long as they smiled through gritted teeth or came back with a witty slightly demeaning riposte... as opposed to... it not happening at all being kinda better.

Wishiwasa Littlebitaller · 26-05-2014 10:10pm

IrishEyes19 wrote: »

The responses by some men here have really surprised me. this has nothing to do with a woman indecently slapping a guy. the incident in question is a man slapped a woman, focus on the issue in hand and if the table was turned, the same legal action should be taken as well. But anytime now a woman is involved in one of these cases, the male brigade come out in full force saying "if a woman did this...." well in this case she didnt.

How is people saying he should get community service, suspended sentences etc as punishment.. not focusing on the issue at hand

Sure, some people are ALSO making the point that if a woman slapped a male stewards arse, there would be no question of her going to prison, but so what..

I fail to see how making point #2.. somehow means point #1 was never made.

gctest50 · 26-05-2014 10:21pm

steveone wrote: »

Did anyone see the offended bum ? Was it worth it one wonders..

That might be the problem sure - yer man probably thought just because a few Ryanair hostesses are part-time porn stars it was ok to slap them

https://www.google.ie/#q=edita+bente

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Technophobia · 26-05-2014 10:24pm

Sure, some people are ALSO making the point that if a woman slapped a male stewards arse, there would be no question of her going to prison, but so what..

I fail to see how making point #2.. somehow means point #1 was never made.[/QUOTE]

I fail to see how making point #2 is relevant tbh. No one is arguing that it happens to men and it doesnt make it acceptable at all that it does.

No one is saying it is ok.

People are commenting on the actual issue that happened. If I was steaming in a bar I certainly wouldnt be slapping or groping guys. And if I were at a hen or any event and I saw a woman doing it, I would f them out of it, check the person it happened to is ok and ask do they need help to report it, whether it is to a boss, or a guard.

This isnt a war you know. When something happens to a woman, the argument " well it happens to men too" is minimising and dismissive. Why cant we say its not all right full stop?

Sulla Felix · 26-05-2014 11:03pm

Muise... wrote: »

It's all the rage, this gender whataboutery -blast them with reverse the genders!!

So when it's time to discuss gender equality in pay, or representation at the top level of various industries, it won't be relevant to bring up the fact that men get paid more and occupy more company board positions than women?
Kind of hard to have the conversation then, no?

Muise... · 26-05-2014 11:07pm

Sulla Felix wrote: »

So when it's time to discuss gender equality in pay, or representation at the top level of various industries, it won't be relevant to bring up the fact that men get paid more and occupy more company board positions than women?
Kind of hard to have the conversation then, no?

I'm sure we'll do all the proper comparisons when such a subject comes up, but what the fnuck does it have to do with one-eyed snakes on a plane?

Sulla Felix · 26-05-2014 11:11pm

Muise... wrote: »

I'm sure we'll do all the proper comparisons when such a subject comes up, but what the fnuck does it have to do with one-eyed snakes on a plane?

You're being disengenuous and you know you are. The fact that one large group of people get treated differently to another in a given situation is entirely relevant when discussing that situation.

Muise... · 26-05-2014 11:14pm

Sulla Felix wrote: »

You're being disengenuous and you know you are. The fact that one large group of people get treated differently to another in a given situation is entirely relevant when discussing that situation.

The fact is that the stewardess should not have been slapped on the arse while doing her job.

Sulla Felix · 26-05-2014 11:18pm

Muise... wrote: »

The fact is that the stewardess should not have been slapped on the arse while doing her job.

Agreed. Now here's what happens next. We might like to discuss other tangential issues relating to that direct issue.
That's how a conversation works. It'd be very boring if all the threads in AH consisted of people agreeing with an initial statement and then posting no more.

kingchess · 26-05-2014 11:21pm

I think he should pay the price for his boldness and he should be spanked.yes spanked hard,a very very hard spanking would sort him out,ohh yes indeed.

Hilly Bill · 26-05-2014 11:28pm

Tramps Like Us wrote: »

Yes, not for life but a few weeks would teach him a lesson, time and time again we see people with a slew of convictions not serving time.

It just highlights the double standard some have to sexual harrassment, they think its not a "proper crime"

Jail for this is a bit extreme .

IrishEyes19 · 26-05-2014 11:34pm

Wishiwasa Littlebitaller wrote: »

How is people saying he should get community service, suspended sentences etc as punishment.. not focusing on the issue at hand

Sure, some people are ALSO making the point that if a woman slapped a male stewards arse, there would be no question of her going to prison, but so what..

I fail to see how making point #2.. somehow means point #1 was never made.

I said some not all.

IrishEyes19 · 26-05-2014 11:37pm

Technophobia wrote: »

Sure, some people are ALSO making the point that if a woman slapped a male stewards arse, there would be no question of her going to prison, but so what..

I fail to see how making point #2.. somehow means point #1 was never made.

I fail to see how making point #2 is relevant tbh. No one is arguing that it happens to men and it doesnt make it acceptable at all that it does.

No one is saying it is ok.

People are commenting on the actual issue that happened. If I was steaming in a bar I certainly wouldnt be slapping or groping guys. And if I were at a hen or any event and I saw a woman doing it, I would f them out of it, check the person it happened to is ok and ask do they need help to report it, whether it is to a boss, or a guard.

This isnt a war you know. When something happens to a woman, the argument " well it happens to men too" is minimising and dismissive. Why cant we say its not all right full stop?[/QUOTE]

Exactly it's not a competition where you see which side gets away with it.

Tigger · 26-05-2014 11:53pm

Jail him but not as asexual offender as assault

RDM_83 again · 27-05-2014 12:56am

Ok while protection from sexual harassment is not some zero sum game where increased protect for woman means reduced protection for men, this is a thread about the potential for unduly harsh sentencing for what is in the light of it a fairly minor offense to send a message this should be seen in the context of the UK where they seem to be increasingly delivering some crazy charges and sentences to set examples rather than the severity of offenses themselves being the guide.
Since a custodial charge in a case like this would be to send a message that this behavior is not tolerated to society it is relevant to argue that a double standard exists in the treatment of these incidents.
In this particular incident the 'logical' reason why male>female harassment is viewed more severely than female<male harassment, of the disparity of power/threat between the genders doesn't really apply as it wasn't aggressive, was a singular incident, and occurred in a controlled environment.
I am not denying that people should have a safe and respectful work environment but a prison sentence seems overly harsh, most people male or female will have been groped at some stage of their lives but does one want each of these offenders to be jailed?

_Redzer_ · 27-05-2014 1:26am

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

not unless you reported it....a female getting groped in her workplace is different.

I missed this. Jesus.

I actually hope a woman gets jailed for when this happens to one of them too. I still think it would be ridiculous and way over the top, but I love equal treatment all the more.

So if this is what you want men to get, women should get it too.

Otherwise you're inadvertently painting women as helpless little creatures that can't stand up for themselves against the big bad men.

27-05-2014 7:56am

Jail for slapping her ass?

The guy was well out of order. A fine and some community service should be more than sufficent.

As someone said, he could lose his job too.

BBJBIG · 27-05-2014 12:30pm

Bloody Nonsense.

Bet yis all if it were George Clooney or Colin Farrell schlapped her on the arse - the
same arse wouldn't get washed for a Munt of Sundays ...

Plus gaggin for a personal Autographs on said Hole !!!

And, she would be showing off the Handprint and the Autograph to all d'other
Moths down in Coppers ... not ta mention, takin selfies ...

Fooookin madness.
De bloody wimmins have losht the run of themselves these Days.

Ficheall · 27-05-2014 12:38pm

Muise... wrote: »

but what the fnuck does it have to do with one-eyed snakes on a plane?

I don't think his "one-eyed snake" or, indeed, one-eyed snakes in general were mentioned anywhere at all in the report?

P. Breathnach · 27-05-2014 12:39pm

BBJBIG wrote: »

Bloody Nonsense.

Bet yis all if it were George Clooney or Colin Farrell schlapped her on the arse - the
same arse wouldn't get washed for a Munt of Sundays ...

And, she would be showing off the Handprint to all d'other Moths ... not ta mention,
takin selfies ...

Fooookin madness.

1. I know plenty of women who would not like to have their arse slapped by any stranger, even a handsome stranger or a celebrity.
2. Even if a particular woman would tolerate such behaviour from particular men, it's not a licence for others to behave as if it's a general right to be enjoyed by all men. Following your line of reasoning, if a woman were willing to have casual sex with a particular man, then she should be available to all men on an equal-opportunity basis.

Santa Cruz · 27-05-2014 1:00pm

Ficheall wrote: »

I don't think his "one-eyed snake" or, indeed, one-eyed snakes in general were mentioned anywhere at all in the report?

Well his one eyed snake is going to be introduced to Bubba in his cell one of these nights.

kiffer · 27-05-2014 1:14pm

Hmmm I think jail time is excessive, a fine and a ban on flying with Ryanair would be more the ticket.
Wait, not a banned from Ryanair, required to fly Ryanair!

When I was last groped by a stranger the perpetrator was gone out of the shop and I've no idea how the gaurds would find a random person if they showed up half an hour after they were gone... that was a fairly distressing incident,
*creepy touching*
"What you are doing is really creepy"
"No it's not, you're lovely *touch touch*"
"That was meant to stop you"
"No, it's lovely, lovely *touch touch*
Then there may have been some boob touching and laughter as they left the shop. The staff in the shop were pretty shocked by the whole thing.

Since then the only other thing to happen was some kids walking down a busy road slapping people on the bum with a flyswatter.

Pumpkinseeds · 27-05-2014 1:26pm

Ryanair hires attractive stewardesses and allows pisse* up passengers on board. What do they think is going to happen? Do I think that justifies it? no. Do I think it's a big deal? No. She got a slap on the arse from a drunk passenger. Would she be prosecuting if she got a slap on the arse in a bar? I doubt it. What a non story, I'd say he's getting more than enough well deserved grief from his fiance, parents and future in laws.

P. Breathnach · 27-05-2014 1:29pm

If the report quoted in the OP was a fair account of what was said in court, I think it unlikely that the perpetrator will serve a custodial sentence (but you can never predict sentencing decisions in Magistrates' Courts, any more than you can do in an Irish District Court).

It might be a good thing that people are reminded that assaults of this nature should be, and are, viewed as being serious to the extent that they can land perpetrators in jail.

Technophobia · 27-05-2014 1:41pm

Pumpkinseeds wrote: »

Ryanair hires attractive stewardesses and allows pisse* up passengers on board. What do they think is going to happen? Do I think that justifies it? no. Do I think it's a big deal? No. She got a slap on the arse from a drunk passenger. Would she be prosecuting if she got a slap on the arse in a bar? I doubt it. What a non story, I'd say he's getting more than enough well deserved grief from his fiance, parents and future in laws.

Yep she was totally inviting it by being good looking. She should just let her self go. Then she wont be asking for it.

Muise... · 27-05-2014 1:46pm

Ficheall wrote: »

I don't think his "one-eyed snake" or, indeed, one-eyed snakes in general were mentioned anywhere at all in the report?

You're quite right. That was my unnecessarily obtuse way of calling him a dick.

_Redzer_ · 27-05-2014 2:00pm

P. Breathnach wrote: »

1. I know plenty of women who would not like to have their arse slapped by any stranger, even a handsome stranger or a celebrity.
2. Even if a particular woman would tolerate such behaviour from particular men, it's not a licence for others to behave as if it's a general right to be enjoyed by all men. Following your line of reasoning, if a woman were willing to have casual sex with a particular man, then she should be available to all men on an equal-opportunity basis.

I'm not a particular fan of it, but often I just smile and laugh it off because they really don't think they've done any harm, so it seems a lot of women think it's ok and harmless to do it, but not ok for guys to. There's a massive double standard here

Pumpkinseeds · 27-05-2014 3:09pm

Technophobia wrote: »

Yep she was totally inviting it by being good looking. She should just let her self go. Then she wont be asking for it.

Did you actually read my post? The part about Ryanair allowing drunken passengers to fly? I did not say that it was her fault. A drunk guy would slap the arse of any woman, regardless of attractive she might or might not be. Don't be in such a hurry to start throwing around accusations of the blame the victim sh*t.

osarusan · 27-05-2014 3:39pm

Technophobia wrote: »

Yep she was totally inviting it by being good looking. She should just let her self go. Then she wont be asking for it.

Yeah, nobody will notice that this isn't what the poster said at all. You've got them now, well done.

UK man faces jail for "accidentally" slapping Ryanair stewardess on bottom

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