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"Fake Irish passport allegation in spy case"

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  • 29-06-2010 2:36pm
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    Nodin
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    One of the ten people arrested in the US accused of being part of an alleged Russian spy ring is also accused of using a false Irish passport.
    A man named Richard Murphy, born in Philadelphia and living in New Jersey, was instructed to use the false Irish passport, according to details contained in the criminal complaint documents released by the US Justice Department.
    http://www.rte.ie/news/2010/0629/spy.html

    Getting a bit feckin silly now, though at least they weren't bumping off people.

    Ideally we could fine states doing this kind of thing through an international body. What think ye?


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    wes
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    This is definetly starting to get silly. I agree with the sentiment above, that some sort of internationally recognised machanism to deal with this kind of thing is needed.


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    Our man in Havana
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    It was probably a passport that was stolen from an Irish citizen abroad.


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    arybvtcw0eolkf
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    Haddockman wrote: »
    It was probably a passport that was stolen from an Irish citizen abroad.

    Possibly, but if its found that the Russians are involved I think in the interest of fairness we should expel a Russian diplomat at least.

    Maybe boycott Russian produce too.


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    Coillte_Bhoy
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    Nodin wrote: »
    http://www.rte.ie/news/2010/0629/spy.html

    Getting a bit feckin silly now, though at least they weren't bumping off people.

    Ideally we could fine states doing this kind of thing through an international body. What think ye?

    Fine Isarel??? Ya right.:rolleyes:


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    arybvtcw0eolkf
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    Nodin wrote: »

    Ideally we could fine states doing this kind of thing through an international body. What think ye?

    On the face of it thats a really good idea.


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    Iwasfrozen
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    Ellie Blue War wrote: »
    Maybe boycott Russian produce too.
    Well, that's coal, oil and gas out so...


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    Our man in Havana
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    Vodka too. :(


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    Wolfe Tone
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    This is a disgrace. States are effectively taking advantage of our good name.


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    limklad
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    Ellie Blue War wrote: »
    Possibly, but if its found that the Russians are involved I think in the interest of fairness we should expel a Russian diplomat at least.

    Maybe boycott Russian produce too.
    We will boycott their gas and oil that we badly need to keep the prices down, maybe the EU will get involve to do the same and freeze their own arse's this winter in protest. :rolleyes:


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    caseyann
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    Irish passports were previously frowned upon in certain countries due to the IRA.Presently they had not been for a number of years,Now again we will be scrutinised to be sure we are in fact Irish with all this malarkey going on :mad:


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    reprazant
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    Ellie Blue War wrote: »
    Possibly, but if its found that the Russians are involved I think in the interest of fairness we should expel a Russian diplomat at least.

    Maybe boycott Russian produce too.

    I expect to see a thread with a list of all Russian products which we can boycott.


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    dlofnep
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    Wait I'm confused - Was it a Russia Spy or an American?

    Why is everybody using poor Ireland as a scapegoat?


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    caseyann
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    dlofnep wrote: »
    Wait I'm confused - Was it a Russia Spy or an American?

    Why is everybody using poor Ireland as a scapegoat?

    Russian spy as far as i read.


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    arybvtcw0eolkf
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    dlofnep wrote: »
    Wait I'm confused - Was it a Russia Spy or an American?

    Why is everybody using poor Ireland as a scapegoat?

    I think it was American citizens, spying for Russia on the USA.


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    caseyann
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    Ellie Blue War wrote: »
    I think it was American citizens, spying for Russia on the USA.

    Just read they are actual Russian citizens.


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    FunnyStuff
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    Wonder will we be expelling some Russian diplomats..... seriously doubt it.


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    dlofnep
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    FunnyStuff wrote: »
    Wonder will we be expelling some Russian diplomats..... seriously doubt it.

    If we found out that a Russian diplomat from inside Ireland forged a passport, then yes - that official should be expelled.


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    Iwasfrozen
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    dlofnep wrote: »
    If we found out that a Russian diplomat from inside Ireland forged a passport, then yes - that official should be expelled.
    We'd never find out. It's Russia for fecks sake!


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    dlofnep
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    Iwasfrozen wrote: »
    We'd never find out. It's Russia for fecks sake!

    Aye, they are a tricky bunch! But I mean - there is a difference between forging it in Ireland, and possibly stealing one abroad. We have no one to pin it on.

    Still though - I think we should call on the Russian ambassador to give an explanation and an apology.


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    Iwasfrozen
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    dlofnep wrote: »
    Aye, they are a tricky bunch! But I mean - there is a difference between forging it in Ireland, and possibly stealing one abroad. We have no one to pin it on.

    Still though - I think we should call on the Russian ambassador to give an explanation and an apology.
    Agreed. But again, it's Russia. They aren't likely to offer an apology to a small country like Ireland.

    We would have to put international pressure on them but I doubt any international body, including the E.U would be willing to put pressure on Russia. They are too economically important.


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    nacho libre
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    dlofnep wrote: »
    Why is everybody using poor Ireland as a scapegoat?

    http://edition.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/06/29/russia.spying.analysis/index.html?iref=NS1&fbid=Pd5h5nHz_3P

    i don't see why anyone is surprised. it's likely, as the above article suggests, this is going on most of the time and we know nothing about it.


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    FunnyStuff
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    dlofnep wrote: »
    If we found out that a Russian diplomat from inside Ireland forged a passport, then yes - that official should be expelled.

    Agreed ... i just dont think those making the decision would have the balls.


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    caseyann
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    anna-chapman-460_1668698c.jpg

    Anna Chapman bought a mobile phone using the address '99 Fake Street'
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/7862663/Spy-kitbag-everything-you-need-to-be-a-real-life-James-Bond.html


    How in a matter of weeks the same thing happening from two different countries.
    I wonder do we have spies here or elsewhere buahahaha i am jking :D


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    Wheelsonthebus
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    MUSSOLINI wrote: »
    This is a disgrace. States are effectively taking advantage of our good name.

    States are effectively taking advantage of the fact we're a soft touch.


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    getz
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    Ellie Blue War wrote: »
    I think it was American citizens, spying for Russia on the USA.
    why then would he need a irish passport to be in the USA when he is already a citizen of the country he is spying in ?


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    JustinDee
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    Nodin wrote: »
    Getting a bit feckin silly now, though at least they weren't bumping off people.
    Ideally we could fine states doing this kind of thing through an international body. What think ye?
    What passports were the so-called Columbia Three travelling with?
    Have they been extradited to Columbia by Michael Martin, a minister to whom the integrity of the Irish passport is paramount?

    Whats good for the goose etc . . .


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    Nijmegen
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    Other passports are used as well. Ireland is seen as a soft touch - or was - and a neutral country.

    British passports also turned up in the middle of this.

    Spies use forged documents of third party countries shocker... It has been too long since the cold war, hasn't it?

    It's not a national insult. It's just espionage....


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    sensibleken
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    How could you do this through an international body? doesn't that defeat the purpose of spying?

    Why the hell are the US and Russia spying on each other anyway?

    Maybe they bought the passport from Haughey (zombie haughey)


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    Nijmegen
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    sensibleken wrote: »
    Why the hell are the US and Russia spying on each other anyway?
    Russia has 9,600 nuclear reasons to spy on the US. The US about the same in reverse.


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    JustinDee
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    sensibleken wrote: »
    Maybe they bought the passport from Haughey (zombie haughey)

    People seem to have forgotten that whole bin Mahfouz passports-for-favours scandal from not too long ago, haven't they?


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