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Law Firm Milk Rounds 2011

  • 01-11-2011 10:08pm
    #1
    32minutes
    Registered Users Posts: 123 ✭✭


    So anyone who's been around a while might be aware that most of the major firms closing dates for applications has come and gone.

    I understand people might be reluctant to share details but thought it might be handy to have somewhere to post innocuous details such as interview and application timeframes, issues, opinions etc

    Two things that got me this year re applications:

    MOPs looking for JC results? I thought this was a bit strange and wonder whether it's a legitimate interest in educational progression or a way of stopping last minute applications or those too disorganized/disinterested to bother.

    William Frys looking for written references. This I was a bit surprised at and very much put me off. I would have no problem getting anyone who employed me to write a positive reference and have in the past but does this precipitate a race to the bottom? I mean if all the top firms started requesting this, would a generic letter enough or do I have to go to my boss and ask them to sign/write 5-10 individual references?


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  • #2
    sazzyfiz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 105 ✭✭sazzyfiz


    32minutes wrote: »
    So anyone who's been around a while might be aware that most of the major firms closing dates for applications has come and gone.

    I understand people might be reluctant to share details but thought it might be handy to have somewhere to post innocuous details such as interview and application timeframes, issues, opinions etc

    Two things that got me this year re applications:

    MOPs looking for JC results? I thought this was a bit strange and wonder whether it's a legitimate interest in educational progression or a way of stopping last minute applications or those too disorganized/disinterested to bother.

    William Frys looking for written references. This I was a bit surprised at and very much put me off. I would have no problem getting anyone who employed me to write a positive reference and have in the past but does this precipitate a race to the bottom? I mean if all the top firms started requesting this, would a generic letter enough or do I have to go to my boss and ask them to sign/write 5-10 individual references?

    i doubt MOPS asking for jc results was a way of stopping last minute applications, it takes ten mins to fill in! im guessing its just another way of narrowing down the gigantic amount of applicants!


  • #3
    colonel1
    Registered Users Posts: 406 ✭✭colonel1


    sazzyfiz wrote: »
    i doubt MOPS asking for jc results was a way of stopping last minute applications, it takes ten mins to fill in! im guessing its just another way of narrowing down the gigantic amount of applicants!


    MOPS were looking for the number of times candidates had resat the FE1s, now that is a scary way of culling the competition! Other firms that asked for results included McCann Fitzgerald, and Dillon Eustace. The "easiest" application was for Arthur Cox. I just completed the application forms there, and already they are a distant memory;)

    OOps just looked over my Dillon Eustace form there, they didn't ask for the exact FE1 results, just if you had sat any? Told y'all the forms had become a distant memory;)


  • #4
    32minutes
    Registered Users Posts: 123 ✭✭32minutes


    colonel1 wrote: »
    MOPS were looking for the number of times candidates had resat the FE1s, now that is a scary way of culling the competition! Other firms that asked for results included McCann Fitzgerald, and Dillon Eustace. The "easiest" application was for Arthur Cox. I just completed the application forms there, and already they are a distant memory;)


    Yeah MOPs framed it in a very broad way, there was definitely no way of getting around full disclosure there.

    At least McCanns and DH didn't ask for JC though, just LC, which seems fair enough. I didn't have my JC to hand so had to order off the exams commission, 12e plus a weeks wait, maybe that's why I thought it was a bit more onerous than others.

    MOPs arguably had the best online app in terms of presentation, ease of use. Byrne Wallace was pretty good too.

    Just waiting for all those interview invitations to roll in now, hope the the telephone lines don't get too jammed up...


  • #5
    colonel1
    Registered Users Posts: 406 ✭✭colonel1


    32minutes wrote: »
    Yeah MOPs framed it in a very broad way, there was definitely no way of getting around full disclosure there.

    At least McCanns and DH didn't ask for JC though, just LC, which seems fair enough. I didn't have my JC to hand so had to order off the exams commission, 12e plus a weeks wait, maybe that's why I thought it was a bit more onerous than others.

    MOPs arguably had the best online app in terms of presentation, ease of use. Byrne Wallace was pretty good too.

    Just waiting for all those interview invitations to roll in now, hope the the telephone lines don't get too jammed up...

    Lol:D JC, wow, am glad I didn't get asked about that. It is bad enough having to give CAO points. I loved everything about Byrne Wallace. I really hope I hear from them:D I didn't do A & L or Eversheds or Maples. Lk Shields had a good application form also, but didn't get anywhere with then:(


  • #6
    32minutes
    Registered Users Posts: 123 ✭✭32minutes


    colonel1 wrote: »
    Lol:D JC, wow, am glad I didn't get asked about that. It is bad enough having to give CAO points. I loved everything about Byrne Wallace. I really hope I hear from them:D I didn't do A & L or Eversheds or Maples. Lk Shields had a good application form also, but didn't get anywhere with then:(


    the Byrne Wallace open evening did a good job of making the firm look attractive, definitely a positive


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  • #7
    colonel1
    Registered Users Posts: 406 ✭✭colonel1


    32minutes wrote: »
    the Byrne Wallace open evening did a good job of making the firm look attractive, definitely a positive

    Oh yes, it looked amazing:D Lots of very glamorous looking people around. The food was fab too. Did you try the vegetable samosas? I would have eaten the lot;) I was impressed that they went to so much effort. None of the other firms did as far as I know.


  • #8
    sazzyfiz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 105 ✭✭sazzyfiz


    colonel1 wrote: »
    Oh yes, it looked amazing:D Lots of very glamorous looking people around. The food was fab too. Did you try the vegetable samosas? I would have eaten the lot;) I was impressed that they went to so much effort. None of the other firms did as far as I know.

    that made me laugh about the samosas! does anyone know when the FE1 results will be out? early December? i hate the waiting game!


  • #9
    colonel1
    Registered Users Posts: 406 ✭✭colonel1


    sazzyfiz wrote: »
    that made me laugh about the samosas! does anyone know when the FE1 results will be out? early December? i hate the waiting game!

    they were delicious sazzyfiz, I joke not:D These little details about a firm are important. Of course they are very keen to hire the best, but I was impressed with any of the people I spoke to who were both practical and approachable.

    FE1 results usually take a minimum of 6 weeks to come out, and they were posted on line (they also send you an official results letter in the post as well) for the last sitting (which was handy). I would say the end of November or 1st week in December. The prep schools are starting off next week (well Griffith started this week I believe) so I have just signed on for tort and constitutional (yeuch).


  • #10
    sazzyfiz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 105 ✭✭sazzyfiz


    colonel1 wrote: »
    they were delicious sazzyfiz, I joke not:D These little details about a firm are important. Of course they are very keen to hire the best, but I was impressed with any of the people I spoke to who were both practical and approachable.

    FE1 results usually take a minimum of 6 weeks to come out, and they were posted on line (they also send you an official results letter in the post as well) for the last sitting (which was handy). I would say the end of November or 1st week in December. The prep schools are starting off next week (well Griffith started this week I believe) so I have just signed on for tort and constitutional (yeuch).

    im hoping il only have criminal and constitutional left after this sitting! fingers crossed!:D


  • #11
    colonel1
    Registered Users Posts: 406 ✭✭colonel1


    sazzyfiz wrote: »
    im hoping il only have criminal and constitutional left after this sitting! fingers crossed!:D

    Lucky creature! I will have tort, constitutional and EU:(


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  • #12
    frustratedTC
    Registered Users Posts: 337 ✭✭frustratedTC


    MOP Phone interview offers are out


  • #13
    xx29xx
    Closed Accounts Posts: 15 ✭xx29xx


    I knew about MOPs but is there anything else out yet, does anyone know?


  • #14
    sazzyfiz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 105 ✭✭sazzyfiz


    does anyone know how many people get phone interviewed???


  • #15
    sazzyfiz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 105 ✭✭sazzyfiz


    xx29xx wrote: »
    I knew about MOPs but is there anything else out yet, does anyone know?

    only one out so far are lk shields but that was last month! got confirmation from arthur cox today saying they received my application and will be in touch soon!


  • #16
    xx29xx
    Closed Accounts Posts: 15 ✭xx29xx


    Thanks, just have to wait it out now I suppose. Not sure about MOPs.


  • #17
    wez99950
    Registered Users Posts: 200 ✭✭wez99950


    Arthur cox have sent out group interview invitations


  • #18
    frustratedTC
    Registered Users Posts: 337 ✭✭frustratedTC


    Any idea if the interviews are done alphabetical. Have AC's been sent out like do u no ppl doing the interviews?


  • #19
    sazzyfiz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 105 ✭✭sazzyfiz


    wez99950 wrote: »
    Arthur cox have sent out group interview invitations

    oh really? i literally just got my confirmation letter today!! im hoping to get a group interview cause i had one for the summer internship! does anyone know what they ask you in the mops phone interview?? never done one before....a bit nervous about it!:eek:


  • #20
    sazzyfiz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 105 ✭✭sazzyfiz


    frustratedTC wrote: »
    Any idea if the interviews are done alphabetical. Have AC's been sent out like do u no ppl doing the interviews?

    the group one i did for AC this summer was definitely not in alphabetical order.....not too sure about mops! just heard mops get around 800 applications and 200 get the phone interview....two more interviews after that and i think they take on around 30 trainees depending on the number of summer interns being offered a training contract!


  • #21
    wez99950
    Registered Users Posts: 200 ✭✭wez99950


    sazzyfiz wrote: »
    wez99950 wrote: »
    Arthur cox have sent out group interview invitations

    oh really? i literally just got my confirmation letter today!! im hoping to get a group interview cause i had one for the summer internship! does anyone know what they ask you in the mops phone interview?? never done one before....a bit nervous about it!:eek:

    Yea they were fairly quick off the mark! Got the invite today.
    What was the interview like for the summer internship? Have never done a group interview before so no idea what to expect!


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  • #22
    sazzyfiz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 105 ✭✭sazzyfiz


    wez99950 wrote: »
    Yea they were fairly quick off the mark! Got the invite today.
    What was the interview like for the summer internship? Have never done a group interview before so no idea what to expect!

    im living in the north so hopefully my post is just delay...haha do u mind me asking when u received ur confirmation letter?

    interview was grand - group of ten with a 3 person panel. no individual questions they just give you topical issues to discuss amongst yourselves and they listen. just like having a mini debate!


  • #23
    frustratedTC
    Registered Users Posts: 337 ✭✭frustratedTC


    Sorry meant about MOP, are they done alphabetical, they dont give much info on site, wonder what their q's are like!


  • #24
    sazzyfiz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 105 ✭✭sazzyfiz


    frustratedTC wrote: »
    Sorry meant about MOP, are they done alphabetical, they dont give much info on site, wonder what their q's are like!

    have you done it before? i presume its just general questions, they cant go into too much detail on a phone interview, think its only ten mins long! wish they just gave us an actual time!!


  • #25
    frustratedTC
    Registered Users Posts: 337 ✭✭frustratedTC


    Yep did it last time and they left me waiting till the last day after office hours nearly killed me!Didn't go any further and cant really remember the q's but they were general interview style


  • #26
    32minutes
    Registered Users Posts: 123 ✭✭32minutes


    Got Arthur Cox confirmation of application over a week ago, had the applications in very early which might be the reason, haven't heard anything re group interview.

    MOPs PFO out today aswell, looks like they went for a shock and awe approach, everything out all in one day


  • #27
    frustratedTC
    Registered Users Posts: 337 ✭✭frustratedTC


    What do u mean a 'shock and awe' approach?


  • #28
    brumbram6
    Registered Users Posts: 95 ✭✭brumbram6


    Guys, what are the phone interviews like??


  • #29
    32minutes
    Registered Users Posts: 123 ✭✭32minutes


    frustratedTC wrote: »
    What do u mean a 'shock and awe' approach?


    Well I find most firms tend to have an unintentional staggered effect between application deadline, PFOs and interview calls.

    But some (like MOPs here) get all their ducks in a row and sorted out the PFOS and interviews all in one go. It's a better way IMO as you don't have confusion and people not knowing about the success of their application. Plus I was just being facetious.


  • #30
    sazzyfiz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 105 ✭✭sazzyfiz


    just checked my cox confirmation letter...says it was sent on the 28th of oct but i only received it on the 3rd of nov...

    does anyone know when the group interviews are?


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  • #31
    parripassu
    Closed Accounts Posts: 27 ✭parripassu


    Does anyone have an example of questions they can ask? Also will the phone call be made during office hours?
    Also can people confirm if they have received group interview letters from Arthur Cox or is it just confirmation of their application?

    Thanks!


  • #32
    colonel1
    Registered Users Posts: 406 ✭✭colonel1


    parripassu wrote: »
    Does anyone have an example of questions they can ask? Also will the phone call be made during office hours?
    Also can people confirm if they have received group interview letters from Arthur Cox or is it just confirmation of their application?

    Thanks!


    PFO letter from Cox this am. They don't waste any time:rolleyes:


  • #33
    sazzyfiz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 105 ✭✭sazzyfiz


    parripassu wrote: »
    Does anyone have an example of questions they can ask? Also will the phone call be made during office hours?
    Also can people confirm if they have received group interview letters from Arthur Cox or is it just confirmation of their application?

    Thanks!

    i only received my confirmation letter from cox yday!

    in regards to mops, i think its just a series of competency based questions. im presuming they will ring during work hours!


  • #34
    parripassu
    Closed Accounts Posts: 27 ✭parripassu


    sazzyfiz wrote: »
    i only received my confirmation letter from cox yday!

    in regards to mops, i think its just a series of competency based questions. im presuming they will ring during work hours!


    Ok thanks! Arthur Cox seem to be giving mixed messages, literally!


  • #35
    wez99950
    Registered Users Posts: 200 ✭✭wez99950


    parripassu wrote: »
    sazzyfiz wrote: »
    i only received my confirmation letter from cox yday!

    in regards to mops, i think its just a series of competency based questions. im presuming they will ring during work hours!


    Ok thanks! Arthur Cox seem to be giving mixed messages, literally!

    I got my Arthur cox confirmation on Tuesday and then group interview letter yesterday. They might be shipping them out in batches


  • #36
    brumbram6
    Registered Users Posts: 95 ✭✭brumbram6


    starting next week


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  • #37
    lablab
    Registered Users Posts: 43 ✭lablab


    just got PFO letter from A Cox - speed of response given that I only submitted it last friday afternoon means that they could not have spent more than a few seconds on my CV.

    Anyone know what the criteria for selection was?
    I come from a non law background. got a 2.1 from Trinity in Arts.
    I am trying to see why they did not even call me to interview.......


  • #38
    sazzyfiz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 105 ✭✭sazzyfiz


    lablab wrote: »
    just got PFO letter from A Cox - speed of response given that I only submitted it last friday afternoon means that they could not have spent more than a few seconds on my CV.

    Anyone know what the criteria for selection was?
    I come from a non law background. got a 2.1 from Trinity in Arts.
    I am trying to see why they did not even call me to interview.......

    sorry to hear that lablab! to be honest no one really knows what they're looking for. Things they may possibly look for are 2.1 degree, work experience, masters, fe1s to name but a few...

    dont give up....every single person on these threads has been rejected at some point!!


  • #39
    colonel1
    Registered Users Posts: 406 ✭✭colonel1


    lablab wrote: »
    just got PFO letter from A Cox - speed of response given that I only submitted it last friday afternoon means that they could not have spent more than a few seconds on my CV.

    Anyone know what the criteria for selection was?
    I come from a non law background. got a 2.1 from Trinity in Arts.
    I am trying to see why they did not even call me to interview.......


    Its a gut wrencher ain't it:mad: I have a first class honours degree in English from UCD, 2 Masters degrees from UCD, a Law degree from DIT and four FE1s. So their selection process is a mystery to me. I don't have legal experience though and I am 39, so that could be a factor. Why not ask them for feedback, and see what they come up with. But with so many applicants to choose from they can afford to be ultra choosy:( Hope I have more luck with my other applications:D


  • #40
    sazzyfiz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 105 ✭✭sazzyfiz


    just got letter from arthur cox inviting me to the group interview.... 6 days of interviews......jesus!


  • #41
    lablab
    Registered Users Posts: 43 ✭lablab


    hi colonel,

    thinking of doing law degree in DIT - is it any good?

    also do you think that age was a factor as I am 31.


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  • #42
    colonel1
    Registered Users Posts: 406 ✭✭colonel1


    sazzyfiz wrote: »
    just got letter from arthur cox inviting me to the group interview.... 6 days of interviews......jesus!


    Wow well done sazzyfiz:D Good luck with the interviews. You must have a sterling CV. Did you hear from Byrne Wallace at all?


  • #43
    sazzyfiz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 105 ✭✭sazzyfiz


    colonel1 wrote: »
    Wow well done sazzyfiz:D Good luck with the interviews. You must have a sterling CV. Did you hear from Byrne Wallace at all?

    no bryne wallace yet....i think theyre very hard to get an interview with so not holding my breathe! but would love to, cant stop thinking about the samosas:D


  • #44
    lablab
    Registered Users Posts: 43 ✭lablab


    hey sassyfizz,

    can you let me know who else has responded other than MOPS and A cox?


  • #45
    colonel1
    Registered Users Posts: 406 ✭✭colonel1


    lablab wrote: »
    hi colonel,

    thinking of doing law degree in DIT - is it any good?

    also do you think that age was a factor as I am 31.

    Hey lablab,


    I don't know if age is a factor or not tbh, but a firm would never admit it if it was (for obvious reasons). You are 31 (I am 39, so it would be more of a concern for me), so that isn't too old at all, but I wouldn't waste any time if I were you.

    The full time post graduate Diploma in DIT seems to have a good reputation, and might be more beneficial than doing the degree, which is part time and takes years (if you are working full time). I had to do the degree part time as I couldn't afford to take a career break to do the pg dip- biggest regret of my life tbh.

    I would advise you to talk to your college careers advisor about this before embarking on any degrees (especially as you can do the FE1s without doing a law degree). The firms hire from all disciplines, though LK Shields required either a law degree or a pgdip from DIT. I applied to LK Shields but was told that I lacked legal experience, so they didn't call me to interview. If I were you, I would try to get some legal experience (I will have to do the same), if you have the time. I also noted that a lot of candidates would have done business and legal, so the business aspect of the their degree would be a huge plus for a commercial law firm like Cox.


  • #46
    colonel1
    Registered Users Posts: 406 ✭✭colonel1


    sazzyfiz wrote: »
    no bryne wallace yet....i think theyre very hard to get an interview with so not holding my breathe! but would love to, cant stop thinking about the samosas:D

    Lol:D if you got Cox, you will get Byrne Wallace;) Make sure you mention the samosas in the interview and send them my love:D


  • #47
    parripassu
    Closed Accounts Posts: 27 ✭parripassu


    Does anyone know what Arthur Cox are looking for exactly - I have relatively good grades and legal experience and they still won't give me an interview.
    Thankfully I do have a MOP phone interview.

    Is Arthur Cox just way out in front with standards compared to the rest?


  • #48
    Pudsey1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18 ✭Pudsey1


    colonel1 wrote: »
    The "easiest" application was for Arthur Cox. I just completed the application forms there, and already they are a distant memory;)
    But did you write all your results from every degree etc on s separate page?


  • #49
    Pudsey1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18 ✭Pudsey1


    32minutes wrote: »

    Two things that got me this year re applications:

    MOPs looking for JC results? I thought this was a bit strange and wonder whether it's a legitimate interest in educational progression or a way of stopping last minute applications or those too disorganized/disinterested to bother.

    William Frys looking for written references. This I was a bit surprised at and very much put me off. I would have no problem getting anyone who employed me to write a positive reference and have in the past but does this precipitate a race to the bottom? I mean if all the top firms started requesting this, would a generic letter enough or do I have to go to my boss and ask them to sign/write 5-10 individual references?

    100% agree.... JC cert results are a joke, I fell into the too "disorganised" batch to care... which suits me tbh as I would not like somewhere where value is placed on JC results at this stage in your career.


  • #50
    Pudsey1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18 ✭Pudsey1


    parripassu wrote: »
    Does anyone know what Arthur Cox are looking for exactly - I have relatively good grades and legal experience and they still won't give me an interview.
    Thankfully I do have a MOP phone interview.

    Is Arthur Cox just way out in front with standards compared to the rest?
    It's all so subjective so quite hard to say... I would have thought MOP was alot harder to get to the first stage with due to nature and questions on application, so well done!!


  • #51
    parripassu
    Closed Accounts Posts: 27 ✭parripassu


    Pudsey1 wrote: »
    It's all so subjective so quite hard to say... I would have thought MOP was alot harder to get to the first stage with due to nature and questions on application, so well done!!


    Thank you! But maybe MOP give more first round phone interviews than Arthur Cox do for group interviews, so it may be much of a muchness!
    Not feeling the love towards Arthur Cox anyway!


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