Young Persons Political Party

Yiikes · 03-02-2015 10:53pm

laoch na mona wrote: »

surely its up to the no side to make themselves visible? on what grounds were they looking to leave the usi?

There was no material. A guy gave a 2 minute speech at the start of one my lectures. But making a campaign visible when the SU basically covered campus in chalk graffiti, banners. T-shirts and leaflets placed in every seat of every lecture hall. There was also a pro yes vote speech by the SU before every single lecture I had during the voting days.

UCC gives the USI €120,000. The No side argued this is a waste and could be better spent here. Their FB is here facebook.com/UCCNo2USI

There was no source of unbiased information which was pretty bad and a 15% turnout shows how little the SU cares about the complete disconnect as long as those who vote do so with them. I voted no simply because of this.

When students are apathetic to these issues and the union doesnt care its easy to see why young people are far less likely to care about national issues and vote.

Tbh after this I wish there was a way to leave the UCC SU and keep the money. It would help reduce the burden of a further increase in fees next year.

laoch na mona · 04-02-2015 8:40am

Yiikes wrote: »

There was no material. A guy gave a 2 minute speech at the start of one my lectures. But making a campaign visible when the SU basically covered campus in chalk graffiti, banners. T-shirts and leaflets placed in every seat of every lecture hall. There was also a pro yes vote speech by the SU before every single lecture I had during the voting days.

UCC gives the USI €120,000. The No side argued this is a waste and could be better spent here. Their FB is here facebook.com/UCCNo2USI

There was no source of unbiased information which was pretty bad and a 15% turnout shows how little the SU cares about the complete disconnect as long as those who vote do so with them. I voted no simply because of this.

When students are apathetic to these issues and the union doesnt care its easy to see why young people are far less likely to care about national issues and vote.

Tbh after this I wish there was a way to leave the UCC SU and keep the money. It would help reduce the burden of a further increase in fees next year.

i really wish there was an alternative to usi that actually put effort into fighting fees and protecting students living in poverty, SUs are a good idea USI is just really **** at being a union

IrishTrajan · 04-02-2015 9:49pm

I was contemplating making a run for TD in the 2020 elections (I don't meet the age requirement to sit as a TD yet), so I would be interested in supporting a new party. Unfortunately, I think that most people will vote on a party name basis, and not really look at the policies. There are people who vote FG, FF, SF, Labour just because that's how their parents voted. You'd probably need to represent an area with a lot of young people, and appeal to the middle to young voters.

Yiikes · 04-02-2015 10:11pm

IrishTrajan wrote: »

I was contemplating making a run for TD in the 2020 elections (I don't meet the age requirement to sit as a TD yet), so I would be interested in supporting a new party. Unfortunately, I think that most people will vote on a party name basis, and not really look at the policies. There are people who vote FG, FF, SF, Labour just because that's how their parents voted. You'd probably need to represent an area with a lot of young people, and appeal to the middle to young voters.

The current set up where the state coffers fund party campaigns makes it hard for any new party. And thats the way the big partys like the status quo

jmayo · 05-02-2015 10:49am

Playboy wrote: »

I think you underestimate the electorate here. People are smart enough to understand that there has to be a balance.

I can't believe you actually believe that.

A good chunk of the people have proved time and again they aren't smart enough to be allowed make big decisions.
If they were then we would never have had the excesses and the property bubble we ended up having.
We would not have the health system we have today and there would have been mass protests over bailouts, payoffs, political corruption, etc.

Added to that the vast majority of people are only interested in their own interests and couldn't give two cra** about the greater good.

And before anyone claims anything, this is just not Ireland.
How else could anyone explain the likes of sarah palin in the US or the current leader of Greece.

The problem with the electorate is that it is made up of people and people can be stupid, greedy, self interested, etc.

Lantus · 05-02-2015 5:24pm

We don't need another political party. The system, while a good idea 100 years ago is no longer fit for purpose. The monetary system is corrupt and politicians only want to say what we want to hear.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DkwP9TXGfdI

If we want to see real improvements to the lives of ALL people on this planet we need to start thinking as a single collective and use our technology and innovation to address the real problems we have. Not the opinions and abstract thoughts of politicians who are not educated in science and technology.

"If voting changed anything. They would make it illegal."
-Emma Goldman

laoch na mona · 05-02-2015 9:33pm

Yiikes wrote: »

The current set up where the state coffers fund party campaigns makes it hard for any new party. And thats the way the big partys like the status quo

ya but the alternative is private funding which would allow business interests to influence elections, state funding helps maintain a more level playing field

imo a cap on election spending would be the best way to ensure equal opportunity for parties

donaghs · 06-02-2015 3:15pm

youngpolitico wrote: »

There's no voice for students in Dáil Éireann. People between the ages of 18-30 don't really take part in politics and a lot don't even exercise their right to vote, which I believe is a very important duty as a citizen of this country.

You don't need to be a student to feel that none of the parties appeal to you. It's a common complaint.

youngpolitico wrote: »

Ireland has some of the best universities in the world, but the brains that these universities develop are being used by other nations around the world as the graduates that come from them are emigrating. Huge multi national companies seek Irish brains to further their businesses. Why can't these brains be used to better this country?

I'm not being snide here, but that's what happens during recessions. There aren't enough jobs for everyone, and some will emigrate if there are better opportunities abroad. Naturally, it's harder for people without work experience to find jobs in such an economy. When the economic cycle picks up again, there are more jobs. No-one is owed a job simply because they went to college. There's limits to what government can do to encourage "job creation", but successive Irish governments have been quite good at this when it comes to attracting multinationals who hire large numbers of people.

youngpolitico wrote: »

Huge multi national companies seek Irish brains to further their businesses. Why can't these brains be used to better this country?

Interesting question but a tad vague. Do you mean people starting their own indigenous businesses and enterprises? Nothing stopping them.
But, the government could possibly do more to encourage this by with incentives like tax breaks, reducing red tape/paperwork for new startups, etc.

youngpolitico wrote: »

Please let me know what your thoughts on a new party are. I'd love to see if people think I'm mad, or if they actually think this could be possible, just like I do.

I think new parties are a great idea. As long as they can clearly spell out there policies and ideas. Not so sure Lucinda's doing that.

IrishTrajan · 10-02-2015 4:36am

youngpolitico wrote: »

I came across Lucinda Creighton on Vincent Browne last night. She is starting a new party and I will be supporting it. Thanks for your feedback.

I don't like her, she's too conservative for me. She seems like just another TD. She hasn't even released any of her policies, but her "four points" seem kinda... empty. She's for "independence", "freedom of thought"... But also opposes abortions in any and all forms (even when not aborting would result in the death of the mother, like she voted against in the Dail).

I think pragmatism and openness to change is more important than conservatism and idealism.

Brussels Sprout · 10-02-2015 10:04am

IrishTrajan wrote: »

But also opposes abortions in any and all forms (even when not aborting would result in the death of the mother, like she voted against in the Dail).

That's her personal opinion but the new party has said that it will allow its members a free vote on any issues like abortion. Eddie Hobbs who's the other key figure in that party has the opposite opinion on abortion to her.

IrishTrajan · 10-02-2015 5:10pm

Brussels Sprout wrote: »

That's her personal opinion but the new party has said that it will allow its members a free vote on any issues like abortion. Eddie Hobbs who's the other key figure in that party has the opposite opinion on abortion to her.

The party having autonomous members won't bode well for their chances of running a Government. This seems more like a half-baked idea, rather than a real political party. I wonder what their stance is on defence spending. Right now, I dislike FG/FF/Labour because of their refusal to even talk about increasing defence spending. I dislike SF because they want to cut spending by even more (we spend less than a quarter of the recommended GDP%, and less than a third of the E.U. average).

If they are pragmatic and realistic in their approach to defence spending (as in, either signing an official pact with another power or committing to real neutrality, and not relying on Britain to do the work for us) then I might consider being open to the rest of their policies.

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