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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,704 ✭✭✭✭RayCun


    The faster stuff is almost easier. I've done a few sessions over the last few weeks, Tuesday was 300/600/1000/600/300/600/100/600/200. While I'm slower than some people I would have been ahead of in January, the gap is not too bad. But my easy runs are all slower and the long runs are harder, I feel as tired this week as I have doe after much heavier weeks in the past.
    I'm okay with it though - there was a period there when I thought I'd never get back into things, but now I feel I'm on a road back at least.
    How about you? You don't seem to be feeling it these days?


  • Registered Users Posts: 730 ✭✭✭antomagoo


    Some nice action with the yard brush today Ray ;-)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,704 ✭✭✭✭RayCun


    week > 11th
    rest day on Monday (had to leave the house at 7.30 for the water station, I was not getting up at 6am to run on a bank holiday)
    Session of 800s on Tuesday, about 10 seconds slower than they were, not too bad
    Still tired and sore by Friday, so I took Saturday off, had a lie-in
    Long run this morning, 2 hours @ 5.20 pace, longest I've run unfueled and I really felt it towards the end, but it didn't kill me...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,704 ✭✭✭✭RayCun


    last week's stats - 59.57k, 5.22 pace, 154 AHR

    this week - 68.85k, 5.13 pace, 158 AHR
    missed the start of club session Tuesday so improvised my own 200 on, 100 off for 30 minutes
    Yesterday ~20k in 1.40, glass of water before I leftkept the hunger away
    Knees getting stiff again, and I was knackered yesterday evening


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,704 ✭✭✭✭RayCun


    60.21 k, 4.59 average pace, 158 AHR
    step-back week - Monday was platelet donation so no running Tuesday and no session Thursday. 1.45 long run around Tymon yesterday and an hour easy this morning. Nice to see the pace dropping on those easy runs, 4.54 yesterday and 4.55 today. Very tired yesterday though, and I've been neglecting my exercises...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,704 ✭✭✭✭RayCun


    62.01km 5.05 pace 159 AHR

    Rest day Monday, then back to the runmutes, running home on Tuesday and back in Wednesday.
    Thursday was race night in the club. First the kids, 45 of them doing a 2.5k crosscountry loop. I jogged around after them on sweeper duty, so missed the big finish by the under-13s, three of them first home. The adult race was handicapped, so a bunch of them set out only a few minutes after the kids... and I started 16 minutes after that bunch. About 3k on grass, 2k on tarmac, 2 big loops and a small finishing loop, it was tough. Nice to have people to chase down, but it means I went out hard and was hanging on all through the second lap. Passed a bunch of people anyway and finished in 18.58, so I was happy. I'll take a chunk off that in Rathfarnham.
    (The race was won, as usual, by beginners. Of about 75 people running, at least a dozen had never raced before, some had never run a continuous 5k before, and a bunch more had only ever jogged a parkrun. So there was a great atmosphere for the race, lots of cheering and applause photos
    Short recovery run on Friday, 10k yesterday and about 22 this morning


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,704 ✭✭✭✭RayCun


    Month|2010|2011|2012|2013
    January|38.8|105.61|187.46|257.13
    February|35.5|106.68|191.79|212.8
    March|53.2|121.83|214|45.93
    April|72|106.33|201.18|51
    May|75.9|107.13|175.21|41.9
    June|90.2|64.85|150.09|89.72
    July|118.1|126.92|242.21|147.92
    August|124.4|168|240.27|173.96
    September|154|171.75|203.69
    October|108.7|191.2|229
    November|58.4|128.9|283.87
    December|83|166.58|285
    Total|1012.2|1578.1|2604


    should be back over 200 this month


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,370 ✭✭✭pconn062


    Good stuff Ray, getting back into it. Have Rathfarnham on my radar as well, never ran it before but heard it's a fairly fast course. Did you do it last year?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,704 ✭✭✭✭RayCun


    Yeah, for the last 3 years - 22.40, 19.39, 17.55 :)
    It's a nice race, good wide road for the start and finish, one hill that is pretty short and about a mile in, not too bad, and always well-run by Rathfarnham.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,370 ✭✭✭pconn062


    RayCun wrote: »
    Yeah, for the last 3 years - 22.40, 19.39, 17.55 :)
    It's a nice race, good wide road for the start and finish, one hill that is pretty short and about a mile in, not too bad, and always well-run by Rathfarnham.

    Oh yes, I remember that from last year, it was the same day as Star of the Sea. Cool, hopefully I can get the same time as you posted last year! :)


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,704 ✭✭✭✭RayCun


    I seem to be stuck on this mileage - 61.16km 5.14 av pace 154 AHR
    I was back on the runmutes this week, home Mon, in Tuesday, home Wed, in Thursday. Thursday evening was hectic, juvenile registration night for the club, so I took a lie-in on Friday. Saturday a bunch of us did the Athletics Leader course because we're starting a Little Athletics group, but I got out for a hill session afterwards with jcsmum and WBYeats - the session I haven't done since january, 15 x 200 uphill with walk/jog down recovery. Just an easy 90 minutes this morning around Tymon.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,704 ✭✭✭✭RayCun


    75.19km 5.03 av pace 153 AHR

    finally over 70k. Runmutes Monday to Thursday, Thursday evening club run around Rathfarnham 5k route. Friday I took off, knees getting sore and I couldn't face a 6am start for a short easy run. 20k around Tymon yesterday, still stiff at the start, and a massage in the afternoon. Then an easy 40 minutes this morning before heading out to Skerries with a coach load of kids for the first XC league race. 4th place for the boy, his best yet :)
    Stepback week for me now, blood donation tomorrow so two days off running.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,842 ✭✭✭Micilin Muc


    RayCun wrote: »
    Thursday evening club run around Rathfarnham 5k route.

    Ah, I was wondering why there were scores of runners going down by Bushy Park! There must have been about 30 or 40 of you!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,704 ✭✭✭✭RayCun


    Ah, I was wondering why there were scores of runners going down by Bushy Park! There must have been about 30 or 40 of you!

    You must have missed half of us :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,704 ✭✭✭✭RayCun


    step-back week - 54.56km 4.57 av pace 159 AHR

    Gave platelets Monday - tried anyway, I was cold and had to stop - so no running Monday or Tuesday, just a bit of jogging with the kids at training. Out for an early run on Wednesday.Thursday ran home, then out to club session, another run around the Rathfarnham route, and back into work Friday. Yesterday was (yet another) 20k run around Tymon. Started feeling hungry after about an hour but the pace stayed ok. Not allowed run this morning :), my daughter's birthday, but I was allowed go up to training so jogged around with the kids and joined in on some of the hill sprints :)

    Knee feeling much better for the rest, but my calves are tight. I've been neglecting my core work and rolling the last few weeks, must get back into it...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,704 ✭✭✭✭RayCun


    60.35 at 5.00/km average

    Longish run Monday, around UCD and home, just bits and pieces after that, no club session this week because I was coaching. Went out for a short and easy run yesterday with the intention of doing some strides at the end, but stopped in the first one with a bit of a groin twinge. Felt a bit off this morning warming up - groin again, stiff around the ankle - but it was just the usual pre-race wobbles, nothing gave me any trouble during the race itself.

    The race itself... lined up too far back, I'm out of practice, so spent at least 500m dodging people who should really know better. As things started to calm down I noticed my knees were complaining, with the fast start I'd been taking long strides so I switched to a faster cadence and shorter steps. Hit the first mile in 5.24, faster than I've run a straight mile.
    Anyway, first k was 3.24, which felt about right, but the rest were slow - 3.42, 3.43, 3.43. theboyblunder cruised past me around 2k and flew up the road, I was doing my best to stay in sight of another Bros Pearse runner, a junior who finished about 10 seconds ahead of me last year. He wasstill moving through the field and I was hanging on to him (and a Bray Runner who introduced himself afterwards as wrstan, good to meet you) but I knew we were both slower than last year
    Picked it up a little on the home straight, back to 3.35, and almost caught Conor with a final sprint, but it was a disappointing result really. I was saying to another guy afterwards that I was down 20 seconds on last year and he pointed out that I've hardly been training. Its a fair cop :o I can't expect to do any better when I haven't been putting in the work.

    Anyway, on the good side, we had a huge turnout from the club, will be looking for photos in the local press and Irish Runner, and a lot of good times (while it was nice being one of the faster runners in the club, its a good thing that there are now 6/7 guys ahead of me) The kids did well in the XC too, we're going to have a lot of strong teams at the Dublins, a lot of kids going to the nationals, including Kid A who was fifth in his race today :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,370 ✭✭✭pconn062


    That's some first mile Ray! :eek: Great result off your limited training, onwards and upwards from here.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,156 ✭✭✭jcsmum


    Seriously R, you making running 5ks look effortless! Don't know how you do it! Great running!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,704 ✭✭✭✭RayCun


    Run home from work to end the month 14.41k at 4.46 pace

    Month|2010|2011|2012|2013
    January|38.8|105.61|187.46|257.13
    February|35.5|106.68|191.79|212.8
    March|53.2|121.83|214|45.93
    April|72|106.33|201.18|51
    May|75.9|107.13|175.21|41.9
    June|90.2|64.85|150.09|89.72
    July|118.1|126.92|242.21|147.92
    August|124.4|168|240.27|173.96
    September|154|171.75|203.69|178.55
    October|108.7|191.2|229
    November|58.4|128.9|283.87
    December|83|166.58|285
    Total|1012.2|1578.1|2604


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  • Registered Users Posts: 709 ✭✭✭cianc


    Oh god the hairs.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,704 ✭✭✭✭RayCun


    75.64km @ 5.04 average
    MLR home from work on Monday, lap around UCD before heading home, then a few days of just runmuting. Inlaws visited Thursday so no club session, and no run on Friday - it would be an easy day anyway, and a 40 minute easy run through the dark always fails to lure me out of bed. Saturday was back to the hill session in Tymon, to make up for the missed session Thursday. This morning was a 20k run around Tymon. This was pretty slow - tired from yesterday, or because it was an early unfuelled start, I don't know, but I had to be done, home, and back out by 9am to go to the XC league race.
    Scheduling is a bit of a problem at the moment, I'm coaching Tuesday evening and early Wednesday evening, so I can't do the club session Tuesday or the MLR Wednesday, everything is happening Thursday to Monday


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,704 ✭✭✭✭RayCun


    84.51k @5.04 average
    MLR on Monday, around UCD then home, easy runs Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday morning. Thursday evening, club session, 12x400 with a minute recovery (about 85 seconds on average), and Friday off. Saturday it was back to Tymon for the hill session, and this morning Tymon again for a longer run, 20k. 80 minutes after I finished I was back in Tymon for the kids training. After an extremely slow and creaky warmup I joined in on their hill session :)
    I've really felt the increased distance in my knees this week. Plenty of foam rolling seems to have helped, massage yesterday, and a light week coming up - no running Monday or Tuesday because of platelet donation, no club session Thursday because of the table quiz.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,704 ✭✭✭✭RayCun


    very easy week - 48.37 @ 5.08
    No running Monday, Tuesday, or Friday, and just the home/work pair on Wednesday and Thursday. Hill session in Tymon again yesterday, and this morning's long run had to be cut short so I could get into the Phoenix Park for the last cross country league race. Another lovely day for running, those kids are getting spoiled this year! Bumped into Marthastew and Ministew (or should that be Maxistew?), both making cross country debuts today - if she runs as well as he did then Fionnuala Britton will be looking over her shoulder:) Kid A did great too, finished just behind in 5th, racing really well, and wrapping up third overall in the league :cool:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,934 ✭✭✭Dotcomdolly


    RayCun wrote: »
    ) Kid A did great too, finished just behind in 5th, racing really well, and wrapping up third overall in the league :cool:

    Go on my son!! :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,704 ✭✭✭✭RayCun


    84.53km @ 4.52 average
    Usual out/in Monday/Tuesday, Wednesday/Thursday, with a loop of UCD to start on Monday.
    Thursday I was going to take it easy, but our 400m champion had been assigned a 3 mile time trial so a few of us decided to keep her company. I went out fast so she'd chase me rather than run easy with jcsmum and PVincent, they ended up chasing her down.
    Saturday, OH and I went up to Marlay for a parkrun. I was getting bored of my hill intervals and need to start racing more regularly, she is doing the Remembrance run next month and wanted some race practice, so it suited us both. Claralara and Digger were volunteering, and Marthastew was out for a shorter jog before the long one tomorrow, but given the weekend, none of the fast runners were around. I guess I blew my best chance at a race win (except it's a timed run, not a race :) ) Anyway, there was a group of 7 at the front after the first lap, and apart from 1 teenager dropping off and a lad from Kilcoole moving up, it was the same 7 at the finish line. The race run went well enough - knees were sore in the warmup but fine during the run. Its not the fastest of courses but a nice one for a low-key run. Finished in 18.26, reasonable enough, and (I heard later) ahead of another 400m runner, David Gillick.
    Today I took advantage of the extra time to do my longest run in a while, 25k in just over 2 hours, around the mud and wind of Tymon.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,704 ✭✭✭✭RayCun


    Getting my retaliation in first :D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,915 ✭✭✭✭menoscemo


    Staying ahead?
    Who said you were ahead?? :confused::confused::confused:


  • Registered Users Posts: 364 ✭✭morceli


    menoscemo wrote: »
    Staying ahead?
    Who said you were ahead?? :confused::confused::confused:
    must be taking about age ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,704 ✭✭✭✭RayCun


    menoscemo wrote: »
    Staying ahead?
    Who said you were ahead?? :confused::confused::confused:

    :)
    Find a distance I've raced in the last two years where she has a better PB :P


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,663 ✭✭✭claralara


    Haha brilliant!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,704 ✭✭✭✭RayCun


    89.2k @ 4.53 pace

    I thought base-building was supposed to be easy:rolleyes:
    This week was very simple - run for an hour every day at an easy pace. Unfortunately that hour on Monday came after stewarding, a couple of pints and a late dinner, and on Thursday it was after trick-or-treating and OH's gym class, so both evenings I did 11 laps of the local park in the dark. Off work on Friday so the last few days I could do morning laps of Tymon, much easier. Still feel pretty knackered at the end of the week, but next week should be a bit easier.

    Month|2010|2011|2012|2013
    January|38.8|105.61|187.46|257.13
    February|35.5|106.68|191.79|212.8
    March|53.2|121.83|214|45.93
    April|72|106.33|201.18|51
    May|75.9|107.13|175.21|41.9
    June|90.2|64.85|150.09|89.72
    July|118.1|126.92|242.21|147.92
    August|124.4|168|240.27|173.96
    September|154|171.75|203.69|178.55
    October|108.7|191.2|229|196.88
    November|58.4|128.9|283.87
    December|83|166.58|285
    Total|1012.2|1578.1|2604


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,704 ✭✭✭✭RayCun


    92.05km @ 4.54 average
    Enjoyed this week much more
    Wednesday summed it up - I felt tired and stiff-legged all day, work was manic, it was cold, dark and spitting rain outside, and when I went to put on my running gear I discovered I'd packed my son's extra-small top from last year's Rathfarnham 5k rather than my own :rolleyes: But once I got out, the run felt fast and easy :) a really nice run
    Not all runs this week were as good, but I feel stronger, not as tired, more like a runner again...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,704 ✭✭✭✭RayCun


    56.31 @ 5.00 average

    Off-plan this week... Platelet donation on Monday, so 3 days of no running. Thursdays run around UCD and home was the complete opposite of last week - stiff, sore,and slow all the way around. Saturday we had a club run from Marlay Park up Kilmashogue and to the pylons on Ticknock (?), then back to Marlay park for tea and a lot of cake (three birthdays, we had a good excuse :) ) About 16k round trip, might do the same again on Stephens' Day. Just an hour around Tymon this morning, but then I was up again a couple of hours later for a juvenile/adults training session. Should have worn the Garmin because I put in at least another 30 minutes of running...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,370 ✭✭✭pconn062


    Any races planned Ray? JB 5k?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,704 ✭✭✭✭RayCun


    pconn062 wrote: »
    Any races planned Ray? JB 5k?

    Yeah, I'll try not to let you out of sight :-)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,370 ✭✭✭pconn062


    RayCun wrote: »
    Yeah, I'll try not to let you out of sight :-)

    I love a showdown! :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,704 ✭✭✭✭RayCun


    79.25k @ 4.54 pace

    Annoying... it's been a tiring week, but training was on target, until after 3/4 days of being coughed and sneezed on by the younger disease factory I've finally succumbed :( I don't feel too bad, but my chest is tight and breathing restricted. Okay for a bit of training with the kids, but a 2 hour run was definitely out.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,704 ✭✭✭✭RayCun


    Month|2010|2011|2012|2013
    January|38.8|105.61|187.46|257.13
    February|35.5|106.68|191.79|212.8
    March|53.2|121.83|214|45.93
    April|72|106.33|201.18|51
    May|75.9|107.13|175.21|41.9
    June|90.2|64.85|150.09|89.72
    July|118.1|126.92|242.21|147.92
    August|124.4|168|240.27|173.96
    September|154|171.75|203.69|178.55
    October|108.7|191.2|229|196.88
    November|58.4|128.9|283.87|208.34
    December|83|166.58|285
    Total|1012.2|1578.1|2604


    Finally back over the 200


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,704 ✭✭✭✭RayCun


    88.98 @ 4.52/km

    Missed Monday's run as well, getting over that mild bug. Tuesday's run was sore and stiff, as it always seems to be after a couple of days off. I just don't cope well with rest days. The rest of the week went to plan and the strides are feeling good. After being told about half a dozen times by the juvenile coaches that I need to lift my knees more, I had the bright idea last week of ... trying to lift my knees more. The difference is probably invisible to the naked eye, but it's something else to think about as I run.
    The only problem since Monday was trying to do my run this morning. Got up too late for the whole 2 hours, but managed to fit in 90 minutes before eating, showering, changing, and getting back to Tymon for the juvenile unevens. Alex was on a revenge run this morning - last year at the Dublin champs he finished 13th, the first finisher not to get a medal. So he was left standing in the chute while all the kids in front of him were taken into the pen and cheered :( Last night and this morning he was a bundle of nerves, he's done well this year but this was the race he was worried about. But he smashed it :) 8th place overall and first home from the club, he's delighted with himself. Off to Waterford in two weeks, and it looks like I'll have to run too...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,704 ✭✭✭✭RayCun


    a real OMGWTF run last night - got out at 8pm for a 2 hour run, went to the local park and ran a lap, and another, and another... 24 :eek: x 1k laps
    Knackered and frozen by the time I finished


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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,156 ✭✭✭jcsmum


    RayCun wrote: »
    a real OMGWTF run last night - got out at 8pm for a 2 hour run, went to the local park and ran a lap, and another, and another... 24 :eek: x 1k laps
    Knackered and frozen by the time I finished

    :eek:
    Maybe it was a 'clear your head' run after LA? :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,704 ✭✭✭✭RayCun


    jcsmum wrote: »
    :eek:
    Maybe it was a 'clear your head' run after LA? :)

    :) I have to remember to buy and bring a whistle to those sessions. I can't shout loud enough, so I had to use an angry shouting voice to be heard at one point. It worked - boy did it work! - but I might be the scary coach now :pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,370 ✭✭✭pconn062


    24k run 4 days before a race?


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,156 ✭✭✭jcsmum


    RayCun wrote: »
    :) I have to remember to buy and bring a whistle to those sessions. I can't shout loud enough, so I had to use an angry shouting voice to be heard at one point. It worked - boy did it work! - but I might be the scary coach now :pac:

    I'm the scary coach for the smallies. :mad:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,704 ✭✭✭✭RayCun


    25.75k!
    The race is just for fun, I'm marathon training :)
    This weekend we're going to a training session in Athlone, so yesterday was my only chance for a long run. I had to cut it short last week because of XC, and I didn't want to miss two in a row.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,704 ✭✭✭✭RayCun


    jcsmum wrote: »
    I'm the scary coach for the smallies. :mad:

    Every group needs at least one scary coach :pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,370 ✭✭✭pconn062


    RayCun wrote: »
    25.75k!
    The race is just for fun, I'm marathon training :)
    This weekend we're going to a training session in Athlone, so yesterday was my only chance for a long run. I had to cut it short last week because of XC, and I didn't want to miss two in a row.

    Plus it adds to your continuing sand-bagging! ;)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,915 ✭✭✭✭menoscemo


    pconn062 wrote: »
    24k run 4 days before a race?

    Maybe it would be an issue if he was a track fairy ;)
    I intend doing a 14 miler tonight; problem? :pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,370 ✭✭✭pconn062


    menoscemo wrote: »
    Maybe it would be an issue if he was a track fairy ;)
    I intend doing a 14 miler tonight; problem? :pac:

    Ah I see, you're probably only doing the race as an MP run anyway?! Or maybe you're pacing someone!? ;) :pac:


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,642 ✭✭✭TRR


    pconn062 wrote: »
    Ah I see, you're probably only doing the race as an MP run anyway?! Or maybe you're pacing someone!? ;) :pac:

    ha ha love it pconn, there's a lot of fight talk from you lately! keep it up :)


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