orange provocation

john why · 13-07-2012 7:08pm #1

just seen on the bbc newsline that yesterday a loyalist band stoped at a catholic church to sing the famine song and to have a little march. wtf is wrong with these people, and they claim there not sectarian.

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Jesus Wept · 13-07-2012 7:09pm

Hoped this would be about fruit.

mikom · 13-07-2012 7:09pm

john why wrote: »

dont know how to upload links, maybe someone else could

Typical catholic work ethic.......

TEMPLAR KNIGHT · 13-07-2012 7:11pm

They live to provoke Catholics/republicans because they have nothing better to do.

Nodin · 13-07-2012 7:14pm

john why wrote: »

just seen on the bbc newsline that yesterday a loyalist band stoped at a catholic church to sing the famine song and to have a little march. wtf is wrong with these people, and they claim there not sectarian.

dont know how to upload links, maybe someone else could

Winnin hearts and minds as ever....

A loyalist band has been filmed stopping to play loyalist tunes outside a Catholic church in north Belfast.
The incident happened at St Patrick's Church on Donegall Street during the Twelfth of July parade on Thursday.
The band - wearing Shankill YCV uniforms - was recorded walking around in circles outside the church by two different people.
At the end of one of the videos, the person recording it is confronted and threatened by members of another band.
At one point the band was playing the music of "the famine song", an anti-Catholic song which originated in Glasgow.
The famine song is played to the music of the Beach Boys' Sloop John B, but replaces the chorus "I feel so broke up, I wanna go home" with "The famine is over, why don't you go home?".

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-18829447

HoggyRS · 13-07-2012 7:16pm

They are absolute scum of the earth. Is this an example of the "culture" they expect us to respect?

videos here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=My5cf2zlkpo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ood8xWX3wSE

daddydick · 13-07-2012 7:18pm

This is an absolute disgrace. To think after coming this far we still have these bigots acting in such a juvenile, threatening and sectarian manner is beyond comprehension.

mike65 · 13-07-2012 7:19pm

Bans all round then?

john why · 13-07-2012 7:21pm

are these the same lads coming down to dublin, they belong in a zoo

Nodin · 13-07-2012 7:22pm

Marchin a circle outside a catholic church playing sectarian shite.....all very 16th century. Just the thing to have in the capital.

john why · 13-07-2012 7:22pm

mike65 wrote: »

Bans all round then?

why?

Wattle · 13-07-2012 7:24pm

I like Sloop John B but I couldn't imagine Brian Wilson singing about the famine. Then again Wilson is a bit of a Proddy name so you never know.

Nodin · 13-07-2012 7:24pm

john why wrote: »

are these the same lads coming down to dublin, they belong in a zoo

Even though the Orangeman is nearly extinct, my nephew and other children are fond of the zoo, so no. Feeding them to the animals in the zoo would doubtless poison the poor creatures, so I'm afraid thats out as well.

Nodin · 13-07-2012 7:26pm

Wattle wrote: »

I like Sloop John B but I couldn't imagine Brian Wilson singing about the famine. Then again Wilson is a bit of a Proddy name so you never know.

Hopefully thats an attempt at humour.

TEMPLAR KNIGHT · 13-07-2012 7:26pm

john why wrote: »

are these the same lads coming down to dublin, they belong in a zoo

Feed them to the lions? I like your style!!

TheBody · 13-07-2012 7:27pm

I hope there is a special place reserved in hell for each and every one of them.

mcmoustache · 13-07-2012 7:27pm

It's pathetic. It's as if they know the jig is up and the privilidged position that they once had in society will never return.

alastair · 13-07-2012 7:28pm

daddydick wrote: »

This is an absolute disgrace. To think after coming this far we still have these bigots acting in such a juvenile, threatening and sectarian manner is beyond comprehension.

Nice milkman caps though, and clearly a boost to the Donegal shillelagh industry. I say let them do their sychronised walking and Beach Boys covers.

El Siglo · 13-07-2012 7:29pm

They are scum of the earth, absolutely take over Belfast so they do with their little shitty marches. If you're not part of it, then you're told to stay in your homes... Awful so it is.

There was absolutely no call for marching outside that church, that wasn't on a parade route and was totally unnecessary. It was just sheer provocation and vindictiveness on their part.

I hope the Parades Commission does something about it but probably nothing will come of it. Really is a disgrace to see that kind of bigotry in this day and age.

Have to laugh at the BBC for their completely unbiased and objective portrayal of the Orange Order et al. with this: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-18769781
(Watch the video if you can).

Chuck Stone · 13-07-2012 7:30pm

Bunch of fucking pricks.

Is this what the 'useful idiots' of the south want to welcome onto the streets of the Capital?

El Siglo · 13-07-2012 7:32pm

Chuck Stone wrote: »

Bunch of fucking pricks.

Is this what the 'useful idiots' of the south want to welcome onto the streets of the Capital?

No, let them have these bastards march around Dublin and see how they fucking like it for a day.

It's a public holiday up here, but there's no holiday atmosphere just intimidation.

Wattle · 13-07-2012 7:32pm

Nodin wrote: »

Hopefully thats an attempt at humour.

Well spotted.

gurramok · 13-07-2012 7:33pm

Hopefully those videos show the Sindo type posters here what the Loyalist bands(they'd welcome them in Dublin) are really like, open their eyes, kinda education.

alastair · 13-07-2012 7:35pm

El Siglo wrote: »

It's a public holiday up here, but there's no holiday atmosphere just intimidation.

You should go down south like every other sensible holiday freeloading pan-nationalist fronter.

Chuck Stone · 13-07-2012 7:35pm

El Siglo wrote: »

No, let them have these bastards march around Dublin and see how they fucking like it for a day.

It's trolling the nationalist people of the north though. It must be bewildering for people who've had to endure this bollocks for years watching it being welcomed to the capital.

El Siglo · 13-07-2012 7:38pm

alastair wrote: »

You should go down south like every other sensible holiday freeloading pan-nationalist fronter.

Why the fuck should I? I live here and have as much right to stay here as anyone else.

mcmoustache · 13-07-2012 7:38pm

It all reminds me of this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQE1JBDzabU

Intimidating people with a marching band is ghey.

El Siglo · 13-07-2012 7:40pm

Chuck Stone wrote: »

It's trolling the nationalist people of the north though. It must be bewildering for people who've had to endure this bollocks for years watching it being welcomed to the capital.

It used to be worse years ago when it went on for about two weeks and instead of two days.

I'm all for embracing a tolerant, open society but welcoming an organisation founded on sectarianism is totally stupid and blind. Not everything should be tolerated.

ejmaztec · 13-07-2012 7:41pm

Andy Carroll wrote: »

Hoped this would be about fruit.

Fruit-cakes close enough?

alastair · 13-07-2012 7:41pm

Chuck Stone wrote: »

It's trolling the nationalist people of the north though. It must be bewildering for people who've had to endure this bollocks for years watching it being welcomed to the capital.

tbh the marching/bands/provocation loses all it's impact if you choose to ignore it, or allow it right into the devilish heart of popery. If it doesn't provoke a response it become rather less appealling to the bigots. The parades might never be an inclusive affair, but they certainly used to be non-contentious - and they can be again.

I've enjoyed the odd march in Derry - it's mostly high camp if you ignore the antagonists.

Doc Ruby · 13-07-2012 7:42pm

Immaculate Pasta wrote: »

Woah woah woah woah....

There's sectarianism in Ireland now! :eek:

You appear to be confused, the North of Ireland is in the hands of Grand Bretagne, the French colony. That would make it a different country entirely. Sadly the Muppets Responsible see no particular reason to stop the natives fighting one another, since this perpetuates the rule of said Muppets, in a sorry trend of miserable mismanagement that has been the hallmark of british rule throughout its wretched history.

donegal_road · 13-07-2012 7:42pm

many hard line Loyalists would go to lengths to try and spark up a resurgence of Republican violence. Provocative marches like this one outside the church are done for this very reason... in the hope that Republicans would weaken their position at the table in Stormount

alastair · 13-07-2012 7:44pm

El Siglo wrote: »

Why the fuck should I? I live here and have as much right to stay here as anyone else.

Well then stop whinging about the lack of atmosphere on a holiday you don't subscribe to. No-one is forcing you to stay or leave - your choice.

steddyeddy · 13-07-2012 7:45pm

donegal_road wrote: »

many hard line Loyalists would go to lengths to try and spark up a resurgence of Republican violence. Provocative marches like this one outside the church are done for this very reason... in the hope that Republicans would weaken their position at the table in Stormount

It was bigots like these that gave the ira the biggest recruitment campaign it ever had. This order is nothing to do with culture. It has its roots in vigilante groups like the peep o day boys. It strenghtens my theory that britian would rather lose northern Ireland. I feel sorry for anyone whatever their religion who has to put up with these bigots.

Nodin · 13-07-2012 7:47pm

alastair wrote: »

tbh the marching/bands/provocation loses all it's impact if you choose to ignore it, or allow it right into the devilish heart of popery. If it doesn't provoke a response it become rather less appealling to the bigots. The parades might never be an inclusive affair, but they certainly used to be non-contentious - and they can be again.

I've enjoyed the odd march in Derry - it's mostly high camp if you ignore the antagonists.

Its not so much of a laugh if you're stuck in your house while some shower who haven'r copped on that its not the 1500's anymore troop past. Yesterday they bussed themselves 6 miles instead of marching - just so they could march down the only part of the route that was contested.

El Siglo · 13-07-2012 7:48pm

alastair wrote: »

tbh the marching/bands/provocation loses all it's impact if you choose to ignore it, or allow it right into the devilish heart of popery. If it doesn't provoke a response it become rather less appealling to the bigots. The parades might never be an inclusive affair, but they certainly used to be non-contentious - and they can be again.

Then why did the YCV have march outside a Catholic Church, in North Belfast, singing sectarian songs? Was that needed? They already got to go through the Ardoyne, they had their parade routes agreed upon. There was absolutely no need to go right in front of that church.

john why · 13-07-2012 7:48pm

HoggyRS wrote: »

They are absolute scum of the earth. Is this an example of the "culture" they expect us to respect?

videos here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=My5cf2zlkpo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ood8xWX3wSE

did u hear that babe at the end of the first video(ill knock ur cu#t off son). nice lad

Galwayguy35 · 13-07-2012 7:49pm

alastair wrote: »

tbh the marching/bands/provocation loses all it's impact if you choose to ignore it, or allow it right into the devilish heart of popery. If it doesn't provoke a response it become rather less appealling to the bigots. The parades might never be an inclusive affair, but they certainly used to be non-contentious - and they can be again.

I've enjoyed the odd march in Derry - it's mostly high camp if you ignore the antagonists.

Do Republicans march down the Shankhill? No they don't and there would be hell to pay if they did but yet it's deemed ok for that lot to march where they are clearly not welcome flying the butchers apron.

Oranage2 · 13-07-2012 7:49pm

Scum on both side imo, Britain is more than welcome to the sh!thole that is Northern Ireland.

Nodin · 13-07-2012 7:50pm

john why wrote: »

did u hear that babe at the end of the first video(ill knock ur cu#t off son). nice lad

This is the shower that lament for the days when it was Fenian furniture you used on a 12th bonfire and not pallets.

Chuck Stone · 13-07-2012 7:50pm

alastair wrote: »

tbh the marching/bands/provocation loses all it's impact if you choose to ignore it, or allow it right into the devilish heart of popery. If it doesn't provoke a response it become rather less appealling to the bigots. The parades might never be an inclusive affair, but they certainly used to be non-contentious - and they can be again.

The ol' 'just ignore it' spiel, such naivety. It's impossible to ignore - what do you want people to do? Wear ear protectors, blindfolds and lock themselves in a darkened room for a month?

It's a marching season not a marching day; did that fact pass you by or are you just here in a failed attempt to be condescending?

Doc Ruby · 13-07-2012 7:51pm

Oranage2 wrote: »

Scum on both side imo, Britain is more than welcome to the sh!thole that is Northern Ireland.

Britain quite deliberately made that shithole. Why should we leave normal people to suffer in some chinless prick's wet dream?

El Siglo · 13-07-2012 7:52pm

alastair wrote: »

Well then stop whinging about the lack of atmosphere on a holiday you don't subscribe to. No-one is forcing you to stay or leave - your choice.

Are you serious? So if you don't like it, tough? Well, that's a great mentality to subscribe to. However, if you don't like it you are allowed to air your displeasure, that's free speech and freedom of expression, the same free freedoms that allow these scum to parade around the place. So no, I don't like it and shouldn't have to be forced to leave. Would you tell the people in Ardoyne the same? Why should the hegemony of one group force the rest of us into acquiescence.

Rawhead · 13-07-2012 7:54pm

The irony of a bunch of jaffa scottish immigrant brain donors playing that song while in Ireland.

It would be the equivalent of a Klan cross burning in Freetown.

alastair · 13-07-2012 7:56pm

Nodin wrote: »

Its not so much of a laugh if you're stuck in your house while some shower who haven'r copped on that its not the 1500's anymore troop past. Yesterday they bussed themselves 6 miles instead of marching - just so they could march down the only part of the route that was contested.

It's not like it's a surprise when it comes around each year though - if you don't want to be cooped up all day, then make sure you're out for the day - half the prods are off in Ibiza, - which seems the best plan given the alternative is closed shops and nothing to do at best. I've been manhandled by the eejits they walk ahead of the bands - I've no blinkers as to the motivations of many involved, but - parity of esteem and all that - if they really want to do this, and it's undoubtedly part of their cultural heritage, then they should be let knock themselves out - even in Dublin if that's what floats their boat. Ulster-Scots on the other hand... Now that's taking the piss.

Pedant · 13-07-2012 7:56pm

And people wonder why there's riots? I mean come on, this is just utter provocation.

Imagine what would happen if the Ancient Order of Hibernians had a spectacle like that outside an Anglican Church in NI singing anti-British songs - what do you think the reaction would be?

It's just terrible. I mean communities who've been there a lot longer than those Ulster-Scots are being told to "go home". Who the fudge do they think they are? I wonder who should be telling who to "go home"? It's utterly pathetic.

The Orange Order are one of the main catalysts for tensions in NI, as ever. Hope they get banned. They talk about improving intercommunal relations, etc.., but how are the Orange Order helping that?

You don't see any exclusively Catholic bands marching around behaving like that. Why can't Catholics and Protestants just get along as they do in the Republic?

john why · 13-07-2012 7:57pm

Nodin wrote: »

This is the shower that lament for the days when it was Fenian furniture you used on a 12th bonfire and not pallets.

The dark days of 69 are gone they just cant handle that.

Nodin · 13-07-2012 7:57pm

alastair wrote: »

It's not like it's a surprise when it comes around each year though - if you don't (.......)the piss.

Nobody is saying they can't march. The problem is marching in nationalist areas and deliberate provocation.

Ellis Dee · 13-07-2012 7:58pm

Andy Carroll wrote: »

Hoped this would be about fruit.

LOL. But I suppose it's actually about fruit and nuts. The latter being those tossers who parade around areas where they aren't wanted, wearing bowler hats and strange sashes, playing with their flutes while they bang big drums, and then go home and kick the shit out of the wife if she hasn't the tea and sandwiches ready.:D:D

In other words, those who are superior to the rest of us.:rolleyes::rolleyes:

GhostInTheRuins · 13-07-2012 7:59pm

Scum of the earth, pure and simple. I feel really sorry for everyone that has to put up with their ****e.

How does it make sense to play the famine song? Hardly the brightest bunch are they?

alastair · 13-07-2012 8:00pm

El Siglo wrote: »

Are you serious? So if you don't like it, tough? Well, that's a great mentality to subscribe to. However, if you don't like it you are allowed to air your displeasure, that's free speech and freedom of expression, the same free freedoms that allow these scum to parade around the place. So no, I don't like it and shouldn't have to be forced to leave. Would you tell the people in Ardoyne the same? Why should the hegemony of one group force the rest of us into acquiescence.

Like I say - no-one is forcing you to stay or leave. Likewise no-one is stopping you 'air your displeasure'. Likewise I'm free to point out that you're whinging about the lack of atmosphere on a holiday that you don't actually subscribe to.

'Hegemony'? How's that impacting on you now?

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