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Cork GAA Discussion Thread
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I mentioned Jack O' Connor too. I think he might be interested in the job. I'm not too sure how happy he was last year standing down from the Kerry job. I think the issues concerning remarks he made in his book might have been problematic. He had discipline problems with Donnaghy last year and Tomás Ó Sé and Gooch Cooper in the past. I think Jack would still feel he has a lot to give football. He is retired now from the teaching and a challenge like the Cork job with a very strong panel of players might suit him. Also, he had the beating of Counihan on big days, there probably isn't another manager in the country that knows Cork better outside of our own lads. Alot of contributors here don't like JOC though.0
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Archer3083 wrote: »I mentioned Jack O' Connor too. I think he might be interested in the job. I'm not too sure how happy he was last year standing down from the Kerry job. I think the issues concerning remarks he made in his book might have been problematic. He had discipline problems with Donnaghy last year and Tomás Ó Sé and Gooch Cooper in the past. I think Jack would still feel he has a lot to give football. He is retired now from the teaching and a challenge like the Cork job with a very strong panel of players might suit him. Also, he had the beating of Counihan on big days, there probablyesd isn't another manager in the country that knows Cork better outside of our own lads. Alot of contributors here don't like JOC though.
Opinions would change fast if he took over Cork and delivered success. The hated would become the beloved. I never disliked the man only on match days between Cork and Kerry.0 -
I think he was a very shrewd tactician. He delivered 3 All Irelands to Kerry so he's got a proven track record and would get Cork playing the style of football we all want to see. Fast, direct ball into our forwards. Cork played well on Saturday night against Dublin but the quality of ball going into the forwards could have been better. Just imagine how good Cork could be next year with Sheehan, O'Neill and Hurley in the full forward line0
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I must admit I'd be happy enough if O Connor was given the role, he has the energy and experience to make us challenge again. However, I believe the only man for the job is John Cleary. Look at his career, All Ireland winner as player (remember his 2 penalties against the Dubs in the semi, I had the pleasure of standing in the driving rain in The Canal End that day!!!) All Ireland winner in underage coaching at different levels. His next challenge has to be the senior job, he knows the youth talent inside out and has managed O Neill Walsh etc. Cuthbert as selector would work well too, again has the experience and knowledge to make a big contribution. These guys deserve the chance to bring Cork football back to the top again. We need a new half back line and a partner for Walsh in midfield. Walsh must be settled in midfield as well, it's his best position and moving him around doesn't work. I have great hope for our footballers in the near future, we have the players that can deliver, we just need a manager that can put the pieces of the jigsaw together.
A massive " go raibh mile mile maith agat" to Counihan, Canty, Kissane, O Connor, Quirke, great players that delivered success to The Blood and Bandage. And now we move to this Sunday and hopefully a win for the hurlers.
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I must admit I'd be happy enough if O Connor was given the role, he has the energy and experience to make us challenge again. However, I believe the only man for the job is John Cleary. Look at his career, All Ireland winner as player (remember his 2 penalties against the Dubs in the semi, I had the pleasure of standing in the driving rain in The Canal End that day!!!) All Ireland winner in underage coaching at different levels. His next challenge has to be the senior job, he knows the youth talent inside out and has managed O Neill Walsh etc. Cuthbert as selector would work well too, again has the experience and knowledge to make a big contribution. These guys deserve the chance to bring Cork football back to the top again. We need a new half back line and a partner for Walsh in midfield. Walsh must be settled in midfield as well, it's his best position and moving him around doesn't work. I have great hope for our footballers in the near future, we have the players that can deliver, we just need a manager that can put the pieces of the jigsaw together.
A massive " go raibh mile mile maith agat" to Counihan, Canty, Kissane, O Connor, Quirke, great players that delivered success to The Blood and Bandage. And now we move to this Sunday and hopefully a win for the hurlers.
CORCAIGH ABU!!!!!!!
I dont think Cleary is the solution. He has lost few times in U21 level most notably in 2011 against Galway when we were fancied to go all the way after hammering Kerry. I know it can happen but IMO it would be more of the same with Cleary. Before i get attacked i state IMO he isnt the best option. Not ruthless enough in my opinion. Others here might disagree.0 -
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Can I ask as to why Cadogan is still started in every game?
He was awful in the Munster final and got roasted by different players in the first half and then taken off.
He was then taken apart by Meehan against Galway and on Saturday an off-form Brogan beat him to every ball.
He looks completely out of his depth as an intercounty man-marker0 -
How about JBM as manager for both codes?.......Jimmy's winning matches
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Will cork people be going into Hill 16 on sunday or will it be swamped with dubs??? Just wondering whether or not to get a hill ticket?0
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Cadogan and Shields were both caught for a lot of pace this year. I'm not sure if this is a new thing though. I don't think Cadogan ever looked right this year. It wouldn't surprise me if he was carrying some sort of a niggly injury.Poor_old_gill wrote: »Can I ask as to why Cadogan is still started in every game?
He was awful in the Munster final and got roasted by different players in the first half and then taken off.
He was then taken apart by Meehan against Galway and on Saturday an off-form Brogan beat him to every ball.
He looks completely out of his depth as an intercounty man-marker
I don't think it's fair to judge Cleary on the performance of the U21s. You can only do so much at that level. You're restricting by the age limit, it's very hard to keep continuity in a team. Look at how impressive the Galway U21s have been and at senior level have been a disappointment. Having said all that, I agree that Cleary would be a mistake. He's untested at senior management. I'd like to see him manage another team at senior inter county level and get more experience that way before taking over Cork.0 -
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The_Kew_Tour wrote: »Cork might not turn up for football, but they will for Hurling.
I know that's probably true. But the home of Cork football is west Cork. We always travel in big numbers to Fitzgerald stadium but I have to say I'm not a fan of Páirc Uí Chaoimh. There's no atmosphere there. I'd much prefer Thurles. And putting the Cork footballers on last Saturday night at 7pm made it impossible for fans to travel in big numbers. I don't know why they couldn't bring that game to Thurles. They could easily have brought the football between Galway and Cork to Thurles as well0 -
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John Fintan Daly would be a great choice0
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He is an excellent manager and is from a local parish to me! The man eats drinks and sleeps football. And as said in previous posts the home football in Cork lies west of Mallow. We need a Duhallow man to take over the reigns. JFD is very tactically astute and has proven himself in Kerry too.0
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JFD???? stop, seriously? When has he last been successful? No, too eccentric for an inter county team. What about Ned English or Ephie Fitzgerald while we are at it? No we need a youngish former player to step up to the mark, i heard anthony lynch mentioned but is there any former players (nothing before 88) coaching club teams or involved in management?0
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I've no doubt cork will show up in numbers but im wondering about the Hill 16 in particular?0
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In relation to Jack o connor,i agree he is a very good manager,and i dont have any problem with him.
My problem,is that money cork would spend on him,is much needed elsewhere like the development squads.People seem to be olivibous to the fact,all money is focused on the Pair project.
Does any see how cork would fund Jack?
The same county board that despite the PR bravado and bull,we would have cork leauge games in clon or mallow etc,to increase the attendences,one the Board realise the clubs would keep most of the gate receipts,it was shot down at the meeting as they need all funds primarily for their overpriced white elephant.
All the dreams of jack or an outside man are way of the mark.
And my view is Jack is no better or worse than Morgan.Yes morgan lost finals,so too did Jack to tyrone.
While Boylan was Morgans superior Harte was Jacks.Boylan is gone,But Harte is still and will be around for a while yet.
Would i be confident of Cork beating tyrone with Jack?certainly not,he at times failed with kerry,whats to say he would win with cork.
So if a Miracle happened and cork wanted an outside man,then Jack is not the answer,and the money would be better served kept,and get Morgan,who would want F**k all to manage Cork,but Respect which he has earned.
John fintan daly,be a superb coach,but having won a u21 title in 94,was overlooked in 97,in favour of Larry,and over looked for under age jobs in cork since,and the fact Duhallow dont sit well with the Board,mean he hasnt a hope in hell of even getting an interview.
As seen by Counihan,Ger fitzgerald,Larry tompkins,great players are not a reason to get a managers job.
Anthony lynch,has No expierence so no way should he get it.
The county board meet next tuesday, and a sub committee then be set up,and then they will draw up a list,and consult the Clubs.
Their will be names thrown out their in the media,and it will seem like the clubs have a huge say,when at the end of the day,the board and only the board will have the say who gets the job.
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Thinkstoomuch wrote: »In relation to Jack o connor,i agree he is a very good manager,and i dont have any problem with him.
My problem,is that money cork would spend on him,is much needed elsewhere like the development squads.People seem to be olivibous to the fact,all money is focused on the Pair project.
Does any see how cork would fund Jack?
The same county board that despite the PR bravado and bull,we would have cork leauge games in clon or mallow etc,to increase the attendences,one the Board realise the clubs would keep most of the gate receipts,it was shot down at the meeting as they need all funds primarily for their overpriced white elephant.
All the dreams of jack or an outside man are way of the mark.
And my view is Jack is no better or worse than Morgan.Yes morgan lost finals,so too did Jack to tyrone.
While Boylan was Morgans superior Harte was Jacks.Boylan is gone,But Harte is still and will be around for a while yet.
Would i be confident of Cork beating tyrone with Jack?certainly not,he at times failed with kerry,whats to say he would win with cork.
So if a Miracle happened and cork wanted an outside man,then Jack is not the answer,and the money would be better served kept,and get Morgan,who would want F**k all to manage Cork,but Respect which he has earned.
John fintan daly,be a superb coach,but having won a u21 title in 94,was overlooked in 97,in favour of Larry,and over looked for under age jobs in cork since,and the fact Duhallow dont sit well with the Board,mean he hasnt a hope in hell of even getting an interview.
As seen by Counihan,Ger fitzgerald,Larry tompkins,great players are not a reason to get a managers job.
Anthony lynch,has No expierence so no way should he get it.
The county board meet next tuesday, and a sub committee then be set up,and then they will draw up a list,and consult the Clubs.
Their will be names thrown out their in the media,and it will seem like the clubs have a huge say,when at the end of the day,the board and only the board will have the say who gets the job.
Its between cuthbert and cleary for the job.
Ultimately you're right it probably will be Cleary or Cuthbert. I'd like to make one point in favour of Jack O' Connor. At least he's had a very successful inter-county career with Kerry. His record can be scrutinized. Also Morgan's career can be dissected. But we honestly haven't a clue how Cuthbert, Cleary or any other unknown will be like at inter county level. It's a completely different challenge to underage.
In respect of the money argument. You could argue that a high profile appointment like Jack O' Connor and a successful All-Ireland bid with Cork could in the future pay for itself by attracting a bigger sponsor. But, in this climate, it's difficult to attract a sponsor. Cork have lost O2 and Dublin have lost Vodafone.0 -
Thinkstoomuch wrote: »In relation to Jack o connor,i agree he is a very good manager,and i dont have any problem with him.
My problem,is that money cork would spend on him,is much needed elsewhere like the development squads.People seem to be olivibous to the fact,all money is focused on the Pair project.
Does any see how cork would fund Jack?
The same county board that despite the PR bravado and bull,we would have cork leauge games in clon or mallow etc,to increase the attendences,one the Board realise the clubs would keep most of the gate receipts,it was shot down at the meeting as they need all funds primarily for their overpriced white elephant.
All the dreams of jack or an outside man are way of the mark.
And my view is Jack is no better or worse than Morgan.Yes morgan lost finals,so too did Jack to tyrone.
While Boylan was Morgans superior Harte was Jacks.Boylan is gone,But Harte is still and will be around for a while yet.
Would i be confident of Cork beating tyrone with Jack?certainly not,he at times failed with kerry,whats to say he would win with cork.
So if a Miracle happened and cork wanted an outside man,then Jack is not the answer,and the money would be better served kept,and get Morgan,who would want F**k all to manage Cork,but Respect which he has earned.
John fintan daly,be a superb coach,but having won a u21 title in 94,was overlooked in 97,in favour of Larry,and over looked for under age jobs in cork since,and the fact Duhallow dont sit well with the Board,mean he hasnt a hope in hell of even getting an interview.
As seen by Counihan,Ger fitzgerald,Larry tompkins,great players are not a reason to get a managers job.
Anthony lynch,has No expierence so no way should he get it.
The county board meet next tuesday, and a sub committee then be set up,and then they will draw up a list,and consult the Clubs.
Their will be names thrown out their in the media,and it will seem like the clubs have a huge say,when at the end of the day,the board and only the board will have the say who gets the job.
Its between cuthbert and cleary for the job.
Very little to disagree with here.
I never rated Counihan highly and also thought that his selectors from 2008-12 held him back greatly but as limited as I felt about the management the failings of Cork football can be traced to the CCB and one man in particular.
David Brady spoke on OTB tonight about how Mayo trainer donie buckley had brought expertise from College American Football having been over there for 3/4 months and had players wearing earpieces to communicate with them about possible mistakes in training.It shows how much things have moved on from the past.
This is just an example of 1 modern method brought into GAA.Could you imagine trying to convince someone like frank or the rest of the CCB the merits of buying into this.You'd probably be laughed out of it.The public dont realise that for all the talent cork has in a county at any given time devoting little things to issues like other sporting innovations can sometimes be the difference between winning and losing.
Objections should really be put in place to the redevelopment of PUC.It would be a huge mistake and would be a reminder of not just a sporting folly but also the celtic tiger era rash building boom and all that went with it.
If the CCB do as they wish you will possibly have the next football all ireland to look forward to in 2029.0 -
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shockframe wrote: »Very little to disagree with here.
I never rated Counihan highly and also thought that his selectors from 2008-12 held him back greatly but as limited as I felt about the management the failings of Cork football can be traced to the CCB and one man in particular.
David Brady spoke on OTB tonight about how Mayo trainer donie buckley had brought expertise from College American Football having been over there for 3/4 months and had players wearing earpieces to communicate with them about possible mistakes in training.It shows how much things have moved on from the past.
This is just an example of 1 modern method brought into GAA.Could you imagine trying to convince someone like frank or the rest of the CCB the merits of buying into this.You'd probably be laughed out of it.The public dont realise that for all the talent cork has in a county at any given time devoting little things to issues like other sporting innovations can sometimes be the difference between winning and losing.
Objections should really be put in place to the redevelopment of PUC.It would be a huge mistake and would be a reminder of not just a sporting folly but also the celtic tiger era rash building boom and all that went with it.
If the CCB do as they wish you will possibly have the next football all ireland to look forward to in 2029.
To be fair, PUC is not fit for purpose any more. It has become outdated and some redevelopment needs to take place. I think there has been an arrogance in Cork and with other counties like Kerry. There has been a reluctance to adopt change. I also heard David Brady talking about the ear pieces. It's another innovation. Jim McGuinness, Mickey Harte, James Horan have all piloted innovative tactics, coaching techniques and technologies. It's time the so called tradition big counties like Cork and Kerry go with the flow. Galway is another county that serious needs its structures to be revamped because Galway is a pure embarrassment.0 -
Archer3083 wrote: »To be fair, PUC is not fit for purpose any more. It has become outdated and some redevelopment needs to take place. I think there has been an arrogance in Cork and with other counties like Kerry. There has been a reluctance to adopt change. I also heard David Brady talking about the ear pieces. It's another innovation. Jim McGuinness, Mickey Harte, James Horan have all piloted innovative tactics, coaching techniques and technologies. It's time the so called tradition big counties like Cork and Kerry go with the flow. Galway is another county that serious needs its structures to be revamped because Galway is a pure embarrassment.
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I wouldn't know a huge amount about Galway's structures, but there is something wrong with a county that has had incredible success at underage level, especially winning U21 titles in '11 and '13 and then not being able to develop that talent through to senior level. Galway have chopped and changed their mangers too often over the last number of years, O Flatharta, Sammon, Kiernan. It's been impossible to have continuity. I know Galway have stuck with Alan Mulholland for a second year and will probably stay with him for a third year but I don't think he has the tactical awareness at senior inter county level. Galway looked a complete shambles against Mayo this year, there were so many basic errors, it's hard to believe that players were coached properly leading into that game.How so?0 -
Nobody disputes it needs to be redeveloped,but it Does need our justfiy the 67m even accounting for the docklands project,to be spent on it.Archer3083 wrote: »To be fair, PUC is not fit for purpose any more. It has become outdated and some redevelopment needs to take place. I think there has been an arrogance in Cork and with other counties like Kerry. There has been a reluctance to adopt change. I also heard David Brady talking about the ear pieces. It's another innovation. Jim McGuinness, Mickey Harte, James Horan have all piloted innovative tactics, coaching techniques and technologies. It's time the so called tradition big counties like Cork and Kerry go with the flow. Galway is another county that serious needs its structures to be revamped because Galway is a pure embarrassment.
The same board didnt even give the Pairc a lick of paint the last few years,and now there obessed with it.
And we dont need another centre of excellence.Their are faclities already availble that are much better then the proposed newly built one.It would be much better for Cork Gaa if the redevelopment ,was refused,and scaled back.0 -
Archer3083 wrote: »I wouldn't know a huge amount about Galway's structures, but there is something wrong with a county that has had incredible success at underage level, especially winning U21 titles in '11 and '13 and then not being able to develop that talent through to senior level. Galway have chopped and changed their mangers too often over the last number of years, O Flatharta, Sammon, Kiernan. It's been impossible to have continuity. I know Galway have stuck with Alan Mulholland for a second year and will probably stay with him for a third year but I don't think he has the tactical awareness at senior inter county level. Galway looked a complete shambles against Mayo this year, there were so many basic errors, it's hard to believe that players were coached properly leading into that game.
Mullaholland is a very good manager and in one year has made huge progress.He got Galways best run in the qualifers in ages,and like any good manager,can suffer a mauling ,but its how he learns from it is the key.
JBM has suffered a mauling with Cork in 2012,Sean boylan did with meath against tyrone ,doesnt make them a bad manager.
If its a rare occurance it can happen the best,once it does not become the normal.
A young Galway were massacred by mayo.Hasnt though in all fairness,that happened every team that Mayo played this year suffered the same fate.The apparently Great Jimmy mcguiness suffered the same fate .
Galway improved since Mayo and won games they normally loose,and tactially even against Cork got it spot on.
Against Cork,they played super football.And the way the game is changing,it will suit their style.
To suggest anything other than Mulloholland who won Galway an U21 all ireland,after Galways best season in years is tactically inept after one year is way of the mark.0 -
CORK hurling team named later tonight.0
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The Cork Senior Hurling team to play Dublin in Sunday's All-Ireland Semi-Final at 3.30pm in Croke Park will line out as follows:
1. Anthony Nash
Kanturk
2. Stephen McDonnell 3. Shane O'Neill 4. Conor O'Sullivan
Glen Rovers Bishopstown Sarsfields
5. Tom Kenny 6. Christopher Joyce 7. William Egan
Grenagh Na Piarsaigh Kilbrin
8. Lorcan Mc Loughlin 9. Daniel Kearney
Kanturk Sarsfields
10. Seamus Harnedy 11. Jamie Coughlan 12. Pa Cronin
St. Ita's Newtownshandrum Bishopstown
13. Luke O'Farrell 14. Patrick Horgan 15. Conor Lehane
Midleton Glen Rovers Midleton
16. Darren McCarthy Ballymartle
17. Kilian Murphy Erin's Own
18. Brian Murphy Bride Rovers
19. Mark Ellis Millstreet
20. Stephen White Ballygarvan
21. Rob O'Shea Carrigaline
22. Cian McCarthy Sarsfields
23. Stephen Moylan Douglas
24. Cathal Naughton Newtownshandrum
25. Michael Cussen Sarsfields
26. Michael O'Sullivan Tracton
Jimmy Barry-Murphy has made no changes in personnel to the team that defeated Kilkenny in the All-Ireland Quarter-Final. Brian Murphy returns to the panel following a serious shoulder injury sustained in a club game.0 -
I wouldn't want to be a Galway basher or an Alan Mulholland basher but I genuinely feel that he is out of his depth. I think in the grander scheme of things the qualifiers were a bit of an anomaly and Cork were not at the races against Galway, and prob were not at the races this year at all. Armagh were a shambles under Grimley. Galway were brilliant last year against Roscommon but were absolutely hammered by Sligo and were beaten by a poor Antrim in the qualifiers. I genuinely think Mulholland is an incredibly nice man but I'm not sure if he's up to at this level. Hopefully next year will prove me long. Nice guys don't always have to finish last!Thinkstoomuch wrote: »Mullaholland is a very good manager and in one year has made huge progress.He got Galways best run in the qualifers in ages,and like any good manager,can suffer a mauling ,but its how he learns from it is the key.
JBM has suffered a mauling with Cork in 2012,Sean boylan did with meath against tyrone ,doesnt make them a bad manager.
If its a rare occurance it can happen the best,once it does not become the normal.
A young Galway were massacred by mayo.Hasnt though in all fairness,that happened every team that Mayo played this year suffered the same fate.The apparently Great Jimmy mcguiness suffered the same fate .
Galway improved since Mayo and won games they normally loose,and tactially even against Cork got it spot on.
Against Cork,they played super football.And the way the game is changing,it will suit their style.
To suggest anything other than Mulloholland who won Galway an U21 all ireland,after Galways best season in years is tactically inept after one year is way of the mark.0 -
VETERAN Cork hurler Brian Murphy hasn't ruled out seeing some action before the end of the season, even if getting some game-time against Dublin on Sunday looks like a long shot.
The defender has gone to extraordinary lengths to get back from the shoulder injury he suffered in a club game in late June which looked to have finished his season.
A friend of Murphy's, Joe O'Neill, who works in the racing industry in England, has pointed him in the direction of Dr Philip Pritchard in Birmingham who has a reputation for getting jockeys with collarbone problems quickly back in the saddle.
"He told me that if I was a jockey, he'd hope to have me back in two weeks," Murphy revealed. "So far, it's going well. It has given me hope."
Against all expectations, he is back training with the Rebels again and, given his experience, Cork would be thrilled to get any game-time out of him. Murphy remains just one of two players left among the four semi-finalists (along with Cork team-mate Tom Kenny) to have won an All-Ireland medal on the field of play.0 -
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There should be 6 or seven of the Junior team getting a run out with Cork next year,in O'sullivan who has trained with the seniors,Hanahran,Kiely(never got a fair crack with Counihan) and Rory Deane,and Cathal Vaughan.
Mark sugrue has great potenial,but JBM has apparently been keeping an eye on him.He is a fine hurler as shown by a superb goal against Tipp.It will be interesting to see what codes he chooses,likewise Jamie wall.0 -
Forgive my stupidity but what do the levels such as junior and Intermediate mean exactly? Are these levels for people not good enough for senior or are they to see who can play senior? I have always wondered about them!0
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CorkonianRebel wrote: »Forgive my stupidity but what do the levels such as junior and Intermediate mean exactly? Are these levels for people not good enough for senior or are they to see who can play senior? I have always wondered about them!
Anyone that plays the level for club,bar senior can play.
I wouldnt say that junior is a black mark for senior,just a lot of the players are from small clubs.,like Aoc for example who played with St colums,and junior for cork then senior.
In fact a good majority of the panel of the footballers,played junior with cork,im sure aidan walsh played junior for Cork,like Doc etc.
In fact there would be a strong case that some of the guys on the junior team ,would be much better than guys like kissane,and AOC who have not the legs anymore.
Kiely and Rory o Sullivan would have been much better.A few guys like O mahony would have played senior and been out of their depth,but a lot of this panel are young,from the u21 team,this year and the last few years,and deserve to be tried at senior leve next year mainly in poistions from 1 -9,where we need new blood and more cover.0 -
I saw this year that Fiachra Lynch was playing with the Cork Juniors. Can anyone tell me if this is the same Fiachra Lycnh that was so promising at U21 and played with the seniors up til 2012. I remember reading that he took a job in UAE as a teacher but realistically wasn't happy under Counihan. Made the job opportunity worth going for.
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Thats the man,plays with valley rovers.Was excellent against kerry in a junior final,thus called up.Archer3083 wrote: »I saw this year that Fiachra Lynch was playing with the Cork Juniors. Can anyone tell me if this is the same Fiachra Lycnh that was so promising at U21 and played with the seniors up til 2012. I remember reading that he took a job in UAE as a teacher but realistically wasn't happy under Counihan. Made the job opportunity worth going for.
Don't forget the juniors are travelling this weekend to Lancashire. Being overshadowed by the hurlers
He wouldnt make it as a forward.He is a John hayes,kevin mcmahon prototype.Good but lacking a bit on big intercounty days.
However,he played corner back in a legaue game,once and was very good.Would have been worth a run at midfield.
Forwards wise,their are much better players on the pamel,or like David Gould,Donal Og Hodnett or hes club man Dan mac Eoin that have better scoring power.0 -
What Cork need next year is 2 more corners backs,(eoin cotter should be one),to find the right balance at half back from the two Clancys,cahalane,loughrey and even though very young,Kevin Crowley of milstreets should be looked at.
And one midfield partner for Walsh at midfield,with Gould and Rory o sullivan and Rory Deane the front runners.
Ian Maguire,still under 21 for the next two years has the physquie,but time will tell if he has the mobility.The potential is there.
There is plenty of forwards,to find the right balance,and a game plan to get them fast ball,is what they need here.0 -
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I think we can all agree that Cork's problems are in defense. When you consider that Cork have O'Neill (hopefully back to his best next year after second cruciate), Hurley, Goulding, Sheehan, Kerrigan, Kelly and Walsh, I think it's fair to say that is one of the strongest forward lines in the country if not in fact the strongest. Walsh needs a new partner in midfield. However if Cork get a new manager in the same mould as JBM players like AOC might actually come back to form and play better. So I think the key is to get new players in and also motivate the existing players because the quality is there. Has anyone seen A.J. O'Connor playing for the juniors. I saw him playing for them back in 2011 (He wasn't with the juniors last year because of Cork's rule that a winning junior team can not come back the following year, but he is back playing with them this year) and he looks an excellent corner back/wing back. He's not very big but would remind you of Mark McHugh.Thinkstoomuch wrote: »What Cork need next year is 2 more corners backs,(eoin cotter should be one),to find the right balance at half back from the two Clancys,cahalane,loughrey and even though very young,Kevin Crowley of milstreets should be looked at.
And one midfield partner for Walsh at midfield,with Gould and Rory o sullivan and Rory Deane the front runners.
Ian Maguire,still under 21 for the next two years has the physquie,but time will tell if he has the mobility.The potential is there.
There is plenty of forwards,to find the right balance,and a game plan to get them fast ball,is what they need here.0 -
That's a step down for Lynch so. I remember he played well against Down back in 2011 and then was very poor in the quarter final against Mayo which Cork lost. I suppose it didn't help that Counihan was in charge. I think he's actually ruined a couple of players over the years. I don't think any player has blossomed under him.Thinkstoomuch wrote: »Thats the man,plays with valley rovers.Was excellent against kerry in a junior final,thus called up.
He wouldnt make it as a forward.He is a John hayes,kevin mcmahon prototype.Good but lacking a bit on big intercounty days.
However,he played corner back in a legaue game,once and was very good.Would have been worth a run at midfield.
Forwards wise,their are much better players on the pamel,or like David Gould,Donal Og Hodnett or hes club man Dan mac Eoin that have better scoring power.0 -
Archer3083 wrote: »That's a step down for Lynch so. I remember he played well against Down back in 2011 and then was very poor in the quarter final against Mayo which Cork lost. I suppose it didn't help that Counihan was in charge. I think he's actually ruined a couple of players over the years. I don't think any player has blossomed under him.
Id agree.Counihan nearly ruined colm o neill too,by not starting him against dublin or down in2010.
Counihan was a dissaster .0 -
Colm O'Neill was amazing in 2009. He scored an amazing goal against Kerry in the final. Superb. Then Counnihan seemed to go off him. I think Counihan was too stubborn in those situations. Let's hope that O'Neill comes back to the form he was in last year after the cruciate. He was a big loss against Dublin. Sheehan isn't a big man but he caught alot of ball this year against Kerry when he came on at the end and against Dublin. Just imagine O'Neill and Sheehan on the full forward line with Hurley. Hurley isn't great in the air but he can sweep up a lot of ball if it's knocked down to himThinkstoomuch wrote: »Id agree.Counihan nearly ruined colm o neill too,by not starting him against dublin or down in2010.
Counihan was a dissaster .0 -
I said it here this year,and in the lead up to dublin,AOC is well and truly finished.A great servant,great commitment and dedication but the pace of the game is too fast for him now.Archer3083 wrote: »I think we can all agree that Cork's problems are in defense. When you consider that Cork have O'Neill (hopefully back to his best next year after second cruciate), Hurley, Goulding, Sheehan, Kerrigan, Kelly and Walsh, I think it's fair to say that is one of the strongest forward lines in the country if not in fact the strongest. Walsh needs a new partner in midfield. However if Cork get a new manager in the same mould as JBM players like AOC might actually come back to form and play better. So I think the key is to get new players in and also motivate the existing players because the quality is there. Has anyone seen A.J. O'Connor playing for the juniors. I saw him playing for them back in 2011 (He wasn't with the juniors last year because of Cork's rule that a winning junior team can not come back the following year, but he is back playing with them this year) and he looks an excellent corner back/wing back. He's not very big but would remind you of Mark McHugh.
Even in 2011 against Aidan o shea,a raw,immature o shea back then destroyed him,and Alan was in the form of hes life for cork in the lead up to that game.
Now see the graph in o shea ,who has improved under horan,to Alan who has got extremely worse.Even Harry houdini coudn't escape the weaknessess,O Connor has now.
Even in comparison to Walsh,Horan improved O shea while Counihan neary ruined walsh.
Cork dont need big men at midfield what we need is athletic,strong,mobile players who can win breaking ball to compliment walsh.
If Cork are stuck for options ,and O sullivan,gould or deane dont solve the problem,sheehan would do a great job there.
Superb under the high ball,and can still control a game,create chances and score from their.
Cork need to forget about,kissane,o leary,o connor,o neill etc,if they are to have any chance of moving forward.0 -
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I'd agree about Kissane, O'Leary and Pearse O'Neill. Time has simply caught up with all those players and all 3 players had an awful habit of putting the head down and soloing the ball up the field. Sure, by the the time the ball reached the Cork forwards every single man was marked. You need quick ball to forwards and catch defenders out. I think AOC might still come back to form. Maybe that's wishful thinking. Gould is certainly a good option in midfield. He's not a forward, can't score heavy enough but is honest and hard working. I'm not sure if he is creative enough. Maybe with Walsh it might be a better option to have a more defensive midfielder. Walsh is great catching the ball and is great and driving forward with the ball. It might be better to let him roam moreThinkstoomuch wrote: »I said it here this year,and in the lead up to dublin,AOC is well and truly finished.A great servant,great commitment and dedication but the pace of the game is too fast for him now.
Even in 2011 against Aidan o shea,a raw,immature o shea back then destroyed him,and Alan was in the form of hes life for cork in the lead up to that game.
Now see the graph in o shea ,who has improved under horan,to Alan who has got extremely worse.Even Harry houdini coudn't escape the weaknessess,O Connor has now.
Even in comparison to Walsh,Horan improved O shea while Counihan neary ruined walsh.
Cork dont need big men at midfield what we need is athletic,strong,mobile players who can win breaking ball to compliment walsh.
If Cork are stuck for options ,and O sullivan,gould or deane dont solve the problem,sheehan would do a great job there.
Superb under the high ball,and can still control a game,create chances and score from their.
Cork need to forget about,kissane,o leary,o connor,o neill etc,if they are to have any chance of moving forward.0 -
Archer3083 wrote: »Colm O'Neill was amazing in 2009. He scored an amazing goal against Kerry in the final. Superb. Then Counnihan seemed to go off him. I think Counihan was too stubborn in those situations. Let's hope that O'Neill comes back to the form he was in last year after the cruciate. He was a big loss against Dublin. Sheehan isn't a big man but he caught alot of ball this year against Kerry when he came on at the end and against Dublin. Just imagine O'Neill and Sheehan on the full forward line with Hurley. Hurley isn't great in the air but he can sweep up a lot of ball if it's knocked down to him
I dont think Colm would have made any difference,as couinhan as proven against donegal in 2012 and the league game against kildare this year,just bombed any ball he got up to him when he was surrounded by defenders.
We could have had Maurice Fitzgerald,Colin Corkery,Peter Canavan or the Gooch,and they would be poor under counihan as they would get little,fast quality ball.They would only get it,in drifts and drabs.
The Kildare game,really was awful to watch,o neill at one stage had 3 players hanging of him,a blind man could see it,yet corks tactic was bomb ball after ball to him.
I have rarely seen a manager ,as poor at reading a game,or adapting to its flow.0 -
I think you have to have a balance between long direct ball and playing the ball through the hand. It can't be one all the time because that would be too predictable but Counihan insisted on slow build up and that has made Cork very unattractive to watch and completely predictableThinkstoomuch wrote: »I dont think Colm would have made any difference,as couinhan as proven against donegal in 2012 and the league game against kildare this year,just bombed any ball he got up to him when he was surrounded by defenders.
We could have had Maurice Fitzgerald,Colin Corkery,Peter Canavan or the Gooch,and they would be poor under counihan as they would get little,fast quality ball.They would only get it,in drifts and drabs.
The Kildare game,really was awful to watch,o neill at one stage had 3 players hanging of him,a blind man could see it,yet corks tactic was bomb ball after ball to him.
I have rarely seen a manager ,as poor at reading a game,or adapting to its flow.0 -
Corks defence is being ripped to shreads by Armagh,in the Ladies game.
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Cork 16 to Armagh 2-9.
A worrying performance from Cork,up by seven at h time,completely out run in the second half.Armagh should have equailsed but for a poor missed free ,with the last kick of the game.
They looked a tired team.
Juliet murphy was superb,as was Geraldine o Flynn and Doireann O Sullivan was involved in a lot of Cork's good play .
They play Dublin next.
What is it with Cork and Dublin this year in every code.0 -
Castleheaven beat Newcestown 13-to 11,with Brian Hurley getting 9 points.
Pa Kelly played last night proving he was fit enough for Cork.
St VIncents beat Clonakity,ist win in 16 years at senior.Ricken doing a superb job with them.
Cloyne 2-10 youghal 16,the Rock got 2-8 for Cloyne0 -
Cork junior footballers game v Warkicksire at 1pm tommorrw is being done broadcast by 103 fm live,for anyone not going to croker 2 mrrow thats wants to listen to it.
For those that are in Dublin,Cork gaa on twitter ,will have updates,i presume.
Best of luck to our camoige team in their semifinal against KK in knowlan park,and best of luck to Cork juniors and seniors.
Pa cronins sister Denise is playing with the camoige team.
Lets hope for a Rebel Treble tommorrw and we will have 3 finals to look forward to.0 -
A huge day for Cork Hurling.A win and a chance to get in our first final in seven years.Getting to the final would be immense for this team,and JBM was a hero long before,and no matter what happens today,is a Cork legend forever.
What he has done in just two years with Cork and limited rescources has been remarkable.
Their is a Need for a lot more work to be done in Cork hurling,regardless if we win or not.
Cork have been flying in training all week,and the talk is they firmly believe they will win today.
Cork are going to get a huge test of physicality,but their aware of this.
It may seem like ages ago,but a challenge match last June in limerick between the two teams,will be of benefit to cork.
I have referenced this match before.Simply as the physicality ,Dublin brought to the game,and challenges,left a lot of Corks team,which was a lot of young guys in awe at how far of the physicality they were.A lot of the players coudnt believe how lightweight they were to Dublin.
This cork side have grown up and as Cody would say adapted to the Manly side of the game.Today we will see ,have we more to go.
Dublin had,Keaney,Rushe,Hiney and Ryan O 'Dwyer who got injured in that game.
Some of the cork players were blown away,however they still won by two points.
It was played in intervals of three.Whats of note here is young hardnedy played and held hes own and was very good and was one of the cork lads that took never took a step back.Moylan scored a goal.
JBM at least knows Dublin will hit hard and that was just a challenge,today is championship.
And thats the last time Cork played Dublin,but know they must not take a step back.We got to live on the edge,but not cross it.
Cork can win,and the weather is good ,not too hot or too cold.
Come on The Blood and Bandage.0 -
Spillane for the Cork Football Manager job? Looking at the Sunday World piece he's suggested he'll will help...0
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Thinkstoomuch wrote: »A huge day for Cork Hurling.A win and a chance to get in our first final in seven years.Getting to the final would be immense for this team,and JBM was a hero long before,and no matter what happens today,is a Cork legend forever.
What he has done in just two years with Cork and limited rescources has been remarkable.
Their is a Need for a lot more work to be done in Cork hurling,regardless if we win or not.
Cork have been flying in training all week,and the talk is they firmly believe they will win today.
Cork are going to get a huge test of physicality,but their aware of this.
It may seem like ages ago,but a challenge match last June in limerick between the two teams,will be of benefit to cork.
I have referenced this match before.Simply as the physicality ,Dublin brought to the game,and challenges,left a lot of Corks team,which was a lot of young guys in awe at how far of the physicality they were.A lot of the players coudnt believe how lightweight they were to Dublin.
This cork side have grown up and as Cody would say adapted to the Manly side of the game.Today we will see ,have we more to go.
Dublin had,Keaney,Rushe,Hiney and Ryan O 'Dwyer who got injured in that game.
Some of the cork players were blown away,however they still won by two points.
It was played in intervals of three.Whats of note here is young hardnedy played and held hes own and was very good and was one of the cork lads that took never took a step back.Moylan scored a goal.
JBM at least knows Dublin will hit hard and that was just a challenge,today is championship.
And thats the last time Cork played Dublin,but know they must not take a step back.We got to live on the edge,but not cross it.
Cork can win,and the weather is good ,not too hot or too cold.
Come on The Blood and Bandage.
As we get ready for the match today, I can't help but feel the exact opposite of the football game against Dublin.
Before that game, I had a feeling that we would lose a game that we could win due to the manager being Counhihan. I wondered if the players truely believed in him and his abilities.
This game I have a feeling that we will win as the players believe in JBM and have that inner belief in themselves. If Cork can make Dublin doubt themselves a tiny bit by getting an early goal or a great start then Dublin may misfire as i see them either playing brilliantly or very poorly.On the other hand if Dublin get a great start then it will be hard to stop them once they get going. Then is a matter of taking the points and not going mad for goals. We did this in second half against Limerick and looked desperate. I know there was a man sent off but no need to go crazy for goals.If we are sending on Cussen to get a goal then the game is over for Cork! :pac:
It should be remembered that even though Cork havent scored any goals, they havent conceded any yet. I think if you are relying on goals to win games then eventually you won't get them due to missing or goalkeeper saving them.
I see Cork winning this game much like the ladies football game yesterday. That team belief and when you go a point down with a few mins left to come back and get points to win the game. The Ladies missed a few goal chances but then took their points.Mind you Armagh missed a late free too :pac:0 -
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