Nelson Mandela has passed

LordSutch · 05-12-2013 11:38pm

I remember when I first became aware of Mandella, and of all things it was a song on Top of The Pops by a band called the Special AKA, who sang about freeing this person called Nelson Mandella, so who's this Nelson fella then? twenty one years in captivity, etc . . .

[-0-] · 05-12-2013 11:39pm

Lord Trollington wrote: »

I am far from a "shinbot". I just find it amusing the reaction he gets despite his own past being not too dissimilar to events that happened a few miles up the road.

That's because those who carry out the double standards are uneducated regarding their own history. It's comical.

Donkey Oaty · 05-12-2013 11:39pm

Nodin wrote: »

That was to do with in-fighting in Natal. He was offered early release if he renounced violence and refused it.

Well, there's a debate to be had about his views on violence - especially when it comes to Irish Republicanism - but maybe now is not the right time.

Hope you'll agree, though, that the quote below is typical of the guy in his later years.

“In a world driven by violence and strife, Gandhi’s message of peace and non-violence holds the key to human survival in the 21st century, said Mandela.

“He rightly believed in the efficacy of pitting the sole force of the satyagraha against the brute force of the oppressor and in effect converting the oppressor to the right and moral point.”

(via Reuters, quoted in Zambia's Mail and Guardian, January 2007)

My name is URL · 05-12-2013 11:39pm

Clandestine wrote: »

So the end justifies the means? I'm sure all those civilians killed at the hands of his group Umkhonto we Sizwe agree with you.

You can keep on spewing shite as long as you want to, but it won't change the fact that Mandela is and will continue to be viewed as one of the most influential and widely admired people in history.

The bitterness shown by you and others here will soon be forgotten however

SeaDaily · 05-12-2013 11:40pm

Femme_Fatale wrote: »

In your opinion.

Yes, obviously in my opinion. Surely I don't need to write "in my opinion" at the end of every single post I make.

PropJoe10 · 05-12-2013 11:41pm

Lord Trollington wrote: »

I am far from a "shinbot". I just find it amusing the reaction he gets despite his own past being not too dissimilar to events that happened a few miles up the road.

What Mandela did is inspire endless generations of downtrodden and persecuted people around the world. He became President of a country that traditionally treated his people as slaves. I dont see anyone up North inspiring anyone to that extent, do you?

Mech1 · 05-12-2013 11:43pm

JuliusCaesar wrote: »

Just to be a grouch - he died.

People pass exams; he/she passed his/her exams.

If you're religious, you can pass from this world to the next.
If you're spiritual, you can pass to a different dimension.

But for heaven's sake, use the proper expression.

RIP anyway.

OP here, not my title, thats due to the mod that merged the threads.

whupdedo · 05-12-2013 11:43pm

And I was looking forward to irish pictorial weekly

ElChe32 · 05-12-2013 11:43pm

"As I walked out the door toward the gate that would lead to my freedom, I knew if I didn't leave my bitterness and hatred behind, I'd still be in prison."

lala88 · 05-12-2013 11:44pm

Living or dead, think about his message of equality and acceptance. His body may have died but the rest of him carries on forever.

Iwasfrozen · 05-12-2013 11:44pm

FTA69 wrote: »

Sorry, it's just hard for some of us to listen to bare faced hypocrisy. Many of those lauding him now would have been cursing him to high heaven when he was in jail.

This is going to be my last response to you. Mandela was wrong not to renounce violence I won't condone his actions but his cause was just and humanity was made better off by his existence. That you would try to hi-jack his death to compare him to miserable IRA killers is disgusting and disrespectful and for the sake of Mandela not a conversation I am going to engage you in.

.jacksparrow. · 05-12-2013 11:44pm

Have to admit it is rather ironic the view of some people in here, considering he was the head of a terrorist group.

Legs.Eleven · 05-12-2013 11:45pm

LordSutch wrote: »

I remember when I first became aware of Mandella, and of all things it was a song on Top of The Pops by a band called the Special AKA, who sang about freeing this person called Nelson Mandella, so who's this Nelson fella then? twenty one years in captivity, etc . . .

Me too. I remember my brother, 12 years older than me, being a massive ska fan and having this song playing all the time when it was released. I know all the lyrics word for word. I remember asking him who it was about and him giving me a run down.

RIP Nelson Mandela.

Clandestine · 05-12-2013 11:46pm

goose2005 wrote: »

Do you have any actual proof? SA isn't paradise but it's doing OK. It's more prosperous than it was in 1991.

"South Africa is still burdened by a relatively high rate of poverty and unemployment, and is also ranked in the top 10 countries in the world for income inequality

World Bank research shows that South Africa has one of the widest gaps between per capita GNP versus its Human Development Index ranking, with only Botswana showing a larger gap.

According to official estimates, a quarter of the population is unemployed, however unofficial estimates put the real unemployment rate as high as 40%.

A quarter of South Africans live on less than US $1.25 a day.

Crime is considered a major or very severe constraint on investment by 30% of enterprises in South Africa, putting crime among the four most frequently mentioned constraints.

According to the 2011 UNAIDS Report, South Africa has an estimated 5.6 million people living with HIV – more than any other country in the world. "

It is estimated that 500,000 women are raped in South Africa every year with the average woman more likely to be raped than complete secondary school.
A 2009 survey found one in four South African men admitted to raping someone and another survey found one in three women out of 4000 surveyed women said they had been raped in the past year.
Rapes are also perpetrated by children (some as young as ten).
Child and baby rape incidences are some of the highest in the world, largely as a result of the virgin cleansing myth, and a number of high-profile cases (sometimes as young as eight months) have outraged the nation.

http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,2057744,00.html

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/8107039.stm

http://www.frontline.org.za/Files/PDF/murder_southafrica%20(5).pdf

SeaDaily · 05-12-2013 11:46pm

http://www.theonion.com/articles/nelson-mandela-becomes-first-politician-to-be-miss,34755/?utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=SocialMarketing&utm_campaign=LinkPreview:1:Default

^this is very apt.

Femme_Fatale · 05-12-2013 11:47pm

Clandestine wrote: »

"South Africa is still burdened by a relatively high rate of poverty and unemployment, and is also ranked in the top 10 countries in the world for income inequality

World Bank research shows that South Africa has one of the widest gaps between per capita GNP versus its Human Development Index ranking, with only Botswana showing a larger gap.

According to official estimates, a quarter of the population is unemployed, however unofficial estimates put the real unemployment rate as high as 40%.

A quarter of South Africans live on less than US $1.25 a day.

Crime is considered a major or very severe constraint on investment by 30% of enterprises in South Africa, putting crime among the four most frequently mentioned constraints.

According to the 2011 UNAIDS Report, South Africa has an estimated 5.6 million people living with HIV – more than any other country in the world. "

http://www.frontline.org.za/Files/PDF/murder_southafrica%20(5).pdf

... But he helped end apartheid. What's your point?

Maybe confirm, or people will just assume you're either going against the grain for the sake of it, or a bit of an apartheid fan.

Firewalkwithme · 05-12-2013 11:47pm

RIP Nelson Monks.

Too soon?

Lord Trollington · 05-12-2013 11:48pm

PropJoe10 wrote: »

What Mandela did is inspire endless generations of downtrodden and persecuted people around the world. He became President of a country that traditionally treated his people as slaves. I dont see anyone up North inspiring anyone to that extent, do you?

John Hume and David Trimble like Nelson Mandella won the Nobel peace prize.

Apartheid actually took place in Northen Ireland too. Its not well documented because of the people who carried it out.

There may have been no slavery but Catholics had no working or voting rights, poor education, less opportunities so I suppose its all relative to it region.

Santa Cruz · 05-12-2013 11:49pm

jebus84 wrote: »

Mandela, while you're up there in heaven, fist bump Paul Walker

And say hello to Jimmy Saville and tell Roy Orbison we will never forget him. If you could have held on one more day Nelson you could share anniversaries with Roy

Sunnyisland · 05-12-2013 11:50pm

Hope Bono is ok...

Joe prim · 05-12-2013 11:51pm

SeaDaily wrote: »

http://www.theonion.com/articles/nelson-mandela-becomes-first-politician-to-be-miss,34755/?utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=SocialMarketing&utm_campaign=LinkPreview:1:Default

^this is very apt.

Brilliant, out of the mouths of babes and satirists...RIP Nelson Mandela, saw you in Croke Park and I'll be telling the grandkids about it in years to come....

Addle · 05-12-2013 11:51pm

Such a coincidence that he died the same night as the Mandela movie is being premiered in London.
The PR people couldn't have planned better publicity!

Clandestine · 05-12-2013 11:51pm

Femme_Fatale wrote: »

... But he helped end apartheid. What's your point?

Maybe confirm, or people will just assume you're either going against the grain for the sake of it, or a bit of an apartheid fan.

I disagree with aprtheid, but the country is worse off as a whole (crime, poverty etc have increased) since it ended. I have family in South Africa, and my mother (and her parents etc.) grew up there too. They'd all say the same thing aswell, the country was just not well managed at all. At the least the whites knew what they were doing, but I disagree with authoritarian regimes.

Santa Cruz · 05-12-2013 11:52pm

ElChe32 wrote: »

"As I walked out the door toward the gate that would lead to my freedom, I knew if I didn't leave my bitterness and hatred behind, I'd still be in prison."

Who says prison doesn't work? He never reoffended after 23 years inside.

Timmyctc · 05-12-2013 11:53pm

quote from twitter

You don't have to agree with his politics to see that when he finally had the upper hand, he consciously chose peace.

Plazaman · 05-12-2013 11:53pm

Clandestine wrote: »

I disagree with aprtheid, but the country is worse off as a whole (crime, poverty etc have increased) since it ended. I have family in South Africa, and my mother (and her parents etc.) grew up there too. They'd all say the same thing aswell, the country was just not well managed at all. At the least the whites knew what they were doing, but I disagree with authoritarian regimes.

Okily dokily.

Martin1979 · 05-12-2013 11:54pm

RIP

brevity · 05-12-2013 11:54pm

People love the attention

Gael23 · 05-12-2013 11:54pm

A chapter in the history of the world has now closed. The contribution he made to this world will never be forgotten.

randy hickey · 05-12-2013 11:56pm

RIP.

Daqster · 05-12-2013 11:57pm

In '89 this song was being played as his release was thought to imminent.

Great song:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfk13uUuD8Q

A truly great inspirational man, R.I.P

PropJoe10 · 05-12-2013 11:57pm

Clandestine wrote: »

I disagree with aprtheid, but the country is worse off as a whole (crime, poverty etc have increased) since it ended. I have family in South Africa, and my mother (and her parents etc.) grew up there too. They'd all say the same thing aswell, the country was just not well managed at all. At the least the whites knew what they were doing, but I disagree with authoritarian regimes.

Rightio.

Beavishead · 05-12-2013 11:58pm

I don't know much about Nelson Mandela, but I do know that South Africa is going down the toilet.

South Africa will turn into another Zimbabwe.

MJ23 · 06-12-2013 12:00am

Rest in Peace Brutha.

D1stant · 06-12-2013 12:00am

Clandestine wrote: »

I disagree with aprtheid, but the country is worse off as a whole (crime, poverty etc have increased) since it ended. I have family in South Africa, and my mother (and her parents etc.) grew up there too. They'd all say the same thing aswell, the country was just not well managed at all. At the least the whites knew what they were doing, but I disagree with authoritarian regimes.

Is this the Afrikaner equivalent of "I'm not a racist but..."

I have been to SA many times over the last 15 years. I often hear that type of nostalgia for the good old days. But only from Afrikaans.

sinead88 · 06-12-2013 12:01am

"No one is born hating another person because of the colour of his skin, or his back ground, or his religion. People must learn to hate, and if they can learn to hate, they can be taught to love, for love comes more naturally to the human heart than its opposite."

What an incredible man, and such sad news.

RobbingBandit · 06-12-2013 12:05am

Man was a hero for what he did for his people, true inspiration to us all. Rest now.

AerynSun · 06-12-2013 12:08am

I'm sad that a post about the passing of a great, great man gets trolled by people who can't save the racist digs and political commentary for another thread.

Rest in Peace, tata Madiba. I honour you, and I thank you for your legacy. Hamba kahle. Sleep in peace x

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nhG0IDrKiaI

wp_rathead · 06-12-2013 12:09am

Clandestine wrote: »

I disagree with aprtheid, but the country is worse off as a whole (crime, poverty etc have increased) since it ended. I have family in South Africa, and my mother (and her parents etc.) grew up there too. They'd all say the same thing aswell, the country was just not well managed at all. At the least the whites knew what they were doing, but I disagree with authoritarian regimes.

gonna have a wild guess and say they were white?

Femme_Fatale · 06-12-2013 12:10am

brevity wrote: »

People love the attention

As do you, it seems.

Witchie · 06-12-2013 12:10am

I knew it was coming but that still doesn't dull the pain and sadness of my hero dying. I first learned of him as an impressionable child, watched him walk free as a conscientious teenager, witnessed him change the world as a free thinking adult and now in his death I will mourn him by continuing his fight for a world free of racism, hate and violence.

Thank you Madiba for giving us a better world and may we all continue to do your work. x

Lucas Castroman · 06-12-2013 12:11am

Paul Walker, Nelson Mandela. These things happen in threes, ya know.

SimonQuinlank · 06-12-2013 12:13am

Leo Vradkar next then hopefully.

Iwasfrozen · 06-12-2013 12:14am

SimonQuinlank wrote: »

Leo Vradkar next then hopefully.

That's a disgusting thing to say.

wp_rathead · 06-12-2013 12:15am

Lucas Castroman wrote: »

Paul Walker, Nelson Mandela. These things happen in threes, ya know.

no disrespect to Paul Walker but really- having him in same sentence as Mandela?

plus that whole "happen in threes" thing is a load of horsesh!te

SimonQuinlank wrote:

Leo Vradkar next then hopefully.

cop on

brevity · 06-12-2013 12:15am

Femme_Fatale wrote: »

As do you, it seems.

Huh?

Mint Aero · 06-12-2013 12:17am

Just bought and downloaded his book, night all

rwg · 06-12-2013 12:23am

"I learned that courage was not the absence of fear, but the triumph over it. The brave man is not he who does not feel afraid, but he who conquers that fear".

NM

wp_rathead · 06-12-2013 12:26am

rwg wrote: »

"I learned that courage was not the absence of fear, but the triumph over it. The brave man is not he who does not feel afraid, but he who conquers that fear".

NM

That is basically the main theme of Harry Potter

Thoughts with his family and all of South Africa

rednik · 06-12-2013 12:27am

RIP.

Nelson Mandela has passed

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