Paleo

NinetyForNone · 27-05-2014 10:17am

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

Anyone know where I can get some mammoth?

Soon..

Wikipedia wrote:

De-Extinction

As of 2014, there are ongoing projects such as that from Sooam attempting to recover the mammoth population. Similar to the method popularised in the film Jurassic Park, the projects are based on finding suitable DNA in frozen bodies. The next step is to recover and, if possible, combine the DNA with similar living animals such as the elephant, which may give birth to some mammoth-related or mammoth species.

jimmer123 · 27-05-2014 12:03pm

tonsiltickler wrote: »

I have coconut milk with cashew/almonds and some berries etc... Delicious!

I tried this last night and this morning after reading your post. I added raisens and a raspberry, lime and sugar syrup I had made for a drink and it was one of the nicest things I have ever eaten. Thanks for the idea :P

MaggieZ · 27-05-2014 12:28pm

Regarding oats, from what I understand, the issue from the Paleo diet's view, is not so much that they are processed, but that they contain phytic acid, which binds with molecules of minerals such as calcium, zink, iron, etc and prevents them from being absorbed by our bodies. Soaking can somewhat help, but there is no consensus on that in the scientific community.

mickman · 27-05-2014 12:34pm

conzy wrote: »

So they are not "processed" like frosties are... But there is no way a caveman had access to them. Which just further proves how limiting your food choices based on what cavemen could get is not optimal.. Because rolled oats are savage

It would be nice to be living in caves and just walking around all day picking berries :-)

MaggieZ · 27-05-2014 12:39pm

mickman wrote: »

interesting . Lots of fruit and veg also and plenty sunshine :-)

Which is exactly what Paleo diet's proponents are saying is good for you. It's not just meat, you know. In fact, fruit and vegetables should make up the bulk of human's diet, no arguments there.

MaggieZ · 27-05-2014 12:51pm

mickman wrote: »

Fair enough also but the facts dont lie. I have never read about a healthy / vibrant race that lives past 100 regularly in near perfect health that eat a lot of meat

Now its also possible that they dont eat meat as they dont have access to lots of it , would be interesting to see how they fared if they ate a lot of meat as maybe its other factors that enable them to live longer i.e. clean air / water etc

One example would be the Maasai of Kenya, there are others.

mickman · 27-05-2014 2:46pm

MaggieZ wrote: »

One example would be the Maasai of Kenya, there are others.

The Maasai have a life expectancy of less than 60

Alf Veedersane · 27-05-2014 2:52pm

Live fast, die young.

An occupational hazard.

MaggieZ · 27-05-2014 3:28pm

mickman wrote: »

The Maasai have a life expectancy of less than 60

This maybe so, but considering that they are free from Western world diseases, I would argue that their shorter life span maybe the result of factors other than diet. Accidents, viruses, bacterial infections (I would imagine, antibiotics are not readily available to them), death in childbirth, generally harsher conditions of life - all of it can shorten life expectancy.

mickman · 27-05-2014 3:52pm

MaggieZ wrote: »

This maybe so, but considering that they are free from Western world diseases, I would argue that their shorter life span maybe the result of factors other than diet. Accidents, viruses, bacterial infections (I would imagine, antibiotics are not readily available to them), death in childbirth, generally harsher conditions of life - all of it can shorten life expectancy.

yes but they are likely free of western world diseases because they die young. The majority of degenerative disease in the west affects older people, i know it does affect young people too when they are very unhealthy in general but its likely the Masai would develop lots of problems if they lived longer.

All societies with extraordinary longevity, and there are quite a few, are distinctly similar in several key factors. All eat a primarily plant based diet, all have moderate physical activity most of the day, and all have strong social structure with both family and community.

Just to add - i eat meat and plenty of it

MaggieZ · 27-05-2014 4:33pm

mickman wrote: »

yes but they are likely free of western world diseases because they die young. The majority of degenerative disease in the west affects older people, i know it does affect young people too when they are very unhealthy in general but its likely the Masai would develop lots of problems if they lived longer.

All societies with extraordinary longevity, and there are quite a few, are distinctly similar in several key factors. All eat a primarily plant based diet, all have moderate physical activity most of the day, and all have strong social structure with both family and community.

Just to add - i eat meat and plenty of it

I would say there is plenty of time to develop heart disease and diabetes before 60...Anyway, the point is, Paleo does not require you to eat steak for breakfast. What it promotes is to eat plenty of fruit and vegetables, healthy fats and oils, meats (especially organ meat), fish, exercise, fresh air and plenty of sunshine. Avoid sugar and highly processed food. Grain and legumes are avoided due to their high phytic acid content. True, some traditional diets contain grains, but they soak and ferment them before consuming, which helps to get rid of anti-nutrients. We simply do not do that. Most of the things listed above you mentioned as the ones observed in long-living populations. So I really do not see a contradiction there.

mickman · 27-05-2014 4:35pm

MaggieZ wrote: »

I would say there is plenty of time to develop heart disease and diabetes before 60...Anyway, the point is, Paleo does not require you to eat steak for breakfast. What it promotes is to eat plenty of fruit and vegetables, healthy fats and oils, meats (especially organ meat), fish, exercise, fresh air and plenty of sunshine. Avoid sugar and highly processed food. Grain and legumes are avoided due to their high phytic acid content. True, some traditional diets contain grains, but they soak and ferment them before consuming, which helps to get rid of anti-nutrients. We simply do not do that. Most of the things listed above you mentioned as the ones observed in long-living populations. So I really do not see a contradiction there.

ok fair enough. i only got involved in this discussion as an earlier poster was saying he was having a pork chop for breakfast

Alf Veedersane · 27-05-2014 4:41pm

mickman wrote: »

an earlier poster was saying he was living the dream

Fixed.

mickman · 27-05-2014 4:56pm

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

Fixed.

all that meat is going to your head :-)

Blacktie. · 27-05-2014 4:59pm

mickman wrote: »

all that meat is going to your head :-)

Are you implying he's a... meathead?

I'll get my coat.

Davei141 · 28-05-2014 7:07pm

MaggieZ wrote: »

I would say there is plenty of time to develop heart disease and diabetes before 60...Anyway, the point is, Paleo does not require you to eat steak for breakfast. What it promotes is to eat plenty of fruit and vegetables, healthy fats and oils, meats (especially organ meat), fish, exercise, fresh air and plenty of sunshine. Avoid sugar and highly processed food. Grain and legumes are avoided due to their high phytic acid content. True, some traditional diets contain grains, but they soak and ferment them before consuming, which helps to get rid of anti-nutrients. We simply do not do that. Most of the things listed above you mentioned as the ones observed in long-living populations. So I really do not see a contradiction there.

Legumes don’t tend to have great nutritional profiles. They’re not bad but they’re not great.

They tend to have a high carbohydrate content for what they do provide. They’re not as bad as processed foods or grains but if weight loss is your goal, there are definitely much better (and paleo) choices out there for you.

Lets take Kidney beans as an example of a legume.

http://www.whfoods.com/genpage.php?tname=foodspice&dbid=87

Calories 200+
Total Carbs 36 g
Dietary Fiber 15 g
Sugars 2 g
Protein 17 g

They have a great nutritional/vitamin/mineral profile, are cheap and bloody delicious, but you have to cut them out because Paleo says so.

MaggieZ · 28-05-2014 8:08pm

Davei141,

Legumes contain phytic acid and also lectins. There is plenty of scientific articles on both, if you don't trust Paleo authors. In the end, we all make our own decisions about what is best for our bodies. This thread was started by someone practicing Paleo diet looking for advice from like-minded people. You don't see me barging into vegetarian thread and tell people that their diet is stupid and they should all eat meat. Just saying.

Davei141 · 28-05-2014 9:04pm

MaggieZ wrote: »

Davei141,

Legumes contain phytic acid and also lectins. There is plenty of scientific articles on both, if you don't trust Paleo authors. In the end, we all make our own decisions about what is best for our bodies. This thread was started by someone practicing Paleo diet looking for advice from like-minded people. You don't see me barging into vegetarian thread and tell people that their diet is stupid and they should all eat meat. Just saying.

Phytic acid can bind to minerals in the digestive tract and make them less available to the body. However, this is most problematic in areas of the world with already-established nutrient and mineral deficiency that rely primarily on foods containing high amounts of phytic acid.

On the plus side, phytic acid can act as antioxidant, exhibits anti-cancer properties, and may have a positive impact on cholesterol and blood sugar. Preparation methods can reduce the phytic acid content in food, as well as adjusting meal times and food choices.

One of the reasons you shouldn't eat legumes as well according to Paleo is because of bloating, gas and IBS. That cuts out a boat load of fruit and veg...

I am just sick of hearing the rules on Paleo that make zero sense. White potato is not paleo but sweet potato is blah blah, some of the reasons i have read - High GL (what the heck that has to do with anything i don't know, so high GL fruit is fair game but not potato, makes no sense) Nightshade - Never hear anyone saying you can't eat tomatoes, peppers or aubergine?

It seems what could have been a great idea for just getting people to eat real foods turned into something with silly rules and weak justification for them rules.

The whole thing is symbolic of the fitness/diet industry, try to complicate stuff so the lay person is dazzled and spends cash. Because simple doesn't sell. Like i said the core principles of it are great, eat fresh whole foods. Leave all the other BS out.

MaggieZ · 04-06-2014 2:02pm

I personally prefer Mark Sisson's Primal approach, it allows dairy for those who can tolerate it, wine, chocolate, and potatoes. He even puts legumes in "OK" category

His blog has wealth of free information, so no need to spend money. I also think that following *anything* in life dogmatically is bad for the soul and the belly

Davei141 · 04-06-2014 8:53pm

MaggieZ wrote: »

I personally prefer Mark Sisson's Primal approach, it allows dairy for those who can tolerate it, wine, chocolate, and potatoes. He even puts legumes in "OK" category His blog has wealth of free information, so no need to spend money. I also think that following *anything* in life dogmatically is bad for the soul and the belly

Agreed a million!

Gem31 · 06-06-2014 8:37am

Hey!

Just wondering if anyone knows where I can buy sweet potato vermicelli in Dublin?

Cheers

frickfrack · 12-06-2014 8:24am

You can get buckwheat and sweet potato vermicelli in some health food stores, but I have yet to locate pure sweet potato ones. You could try making you own if you have a spiralizer or a julienne peeler, though the vermicelli you would get in asia would be made from starch rather than the whole tuber. Maybe try an asian grocer....

Blacktie. · 12-06-2014 8:32am

frickfrack wrote: »

You can get buckwheat and sweet potato vermicelli in some health food stores, but I have yet to locate pure sweet potato ones. You could try making you own if you have a spiralizer or a julienne peeler, though the vermicelli you would get in asia would be made from starch rather than the whole tuber. Maybe try an asian grocer....

This post has lots of words I'm pretty sure are foods and food equipment yet I've never heard of them.

frickfrack · 12-06-2014 8:53am

A spiralizer is a ridiculous yet quite fun gadget that makes noodles out of veggies, a julienne peeler peels veggies into spaghetti style strands for you. I was only replying to somebody else's post about finding sweet potato vermicelli in dublin, which I've looked for myself. No need for the ould stinkeye Blacktie. We're all friends here, surely?

Blacktie. · 12-06-2014 9:03am

frickfrack wrote: »

A spiralizer is a ridiculous yet quite fun gadget that makes noodles out of veggies, a julienne peeler peels veggies into spaghetti style strands for you. I was only replying to somebody else's post about finding sweet potato vermicelli in dublin, which I've looked for myself. No need for the ould stinkeye Blacktie. We're all friends here, surely?

Comment was made in fun of my ignorance not at your expense... I probably should have added a :pac: dude to it but I'm tired and these things slip my mind.

frickfrack · 12-06-2014 9:16am

nah, I shoulda been more specific, its not like we're tripping over noodle making gadgetry every time we leave the house. I'm gonna try to make sweet potato noodles tonight and see if they turn out gross. Courgette noodles were good, so...
Btw, saw coconut aminos in health and fitness over here in the Naas Monread Tesco shopping centre. First time I've seen them in Ireland outside of the interwebs. Big bottle for a hefty tenner, it kills me to shell out so much for a soy sauce with no soy, but needs must on the whole 30.

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