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US laws prevent the use of welfare in liquor stores and gambling establishments

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  • 09-07-2012 6:45pm
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    crapmanjoe
    Registered Users Posts: 472 ✭✭


    USA has passed a federal law requiring all states to come up with system / laws / legislation to prevent the use of welfare in liquor stores, gambling establishments and adult entertainment businesses by 2014.

    Do not want to get into a dole bashing argument here but if this can be implemented in the US across 50 different states surely it can be implemented here.

    Social welfare can be lodged into a special account for the recipient, cash withdrawals are prevented, receipents just use their card (or wire transfers for bills, rent etc) and the cards use is banned in certain locations.

    Anyway brief highlight of the story and a link to the full article

    "Under a new federal law, all states must prevent the use of cash benefits in liquor stores, gambling establishments and adult entertainment businesses by 2014. States that fail to establish policies face cuts in federal support.

    Welfare recipients use debit cards to buy things or get cash at ATMs. A report by the House Ways and Means committee cited news reports in eight states about people with welfare debit cards withdrawing thousands of dollars from ATMs in casinos, liquor stores and strip clubs. The report did not estimate how often that happened or how much money was involved




    http://content.usatoday.com/dist/custom/gci/InsidePage.aspx?cId=hattiesburgamerican&sParam=56100508.story


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    #2
    Biggins
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    Yay for America!

    "...But America's bad!"

    O' :eek:

    ...Boooo for America!


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    #3
    Tombi!
    Registered Users Posts: 6,689 ✭✭✭Tombi!


    So all it does it creates more crime and people selling food stamps (I assume it's that) to get cash for alcohol?

    Or even if it's a kind of "spend these magical dollars on food only" all the welfare folks do is buy whatever, sell that for cash and buy booze.


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    Jesus Shaves
    Registered Users Posts: 2,959 ✭✭✭Jesus Shaves


    How would I get drunk everyday then?


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    Dartz
    Registered Users Posts: 4,369 ✭✭✭Dartz


    Yet again, the idiotic minority and the self rightepous right ruin everything for the rest of us who just want to have five minutes to ****ing relax with the cash we've managed to save at the end of the week, either through careful purchases or good bloody luck and chance..

    Nothing about this law will stop someone on welfare from gambling, enjoying adult entertainment, or drinking..... it'll just make it far more expensive.

    Prohibition doesn't work. It just makes arrogant politico's feel better about themselves.

    It's also a bit **** if the only working ATM is the one in the off license, isn't it?


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    christmas2012
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,827 ✭✭✭christmas2012


    Do not want to get into a dole bashing argument here but if this can be implemented in the US across 50 different states surely it can be implemented here.

    Are you proposing welfare supermarket stamps like walmart etc,where some supermarkets have the gravy train of welfare customers,while others lose out?Not to mention taking someones dignity of choice away..


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    El Weirdo
    Registered Users Posts: 11,646 ✭✭✭✭El Weirdo


    Fuck it, lets just let the dole scum live on Soylent Green and have it done with.


    :rolleyes:


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    Sunnyisland
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,562 ✭✭✭✭Sunnyisland


    christmas 2012 wrote: »
    Are you proposing welfare supermarket stamps like walmart etc,where some supermarkets have the gravy train of welfare customers,while others lose out?Not to mention taking someones dignity of choice away..


    :D Christmas2012 I am getting addicted to your posts,Fair play to ya :D;)


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    Lapin
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 18,184 ✭✭✭✭Lapin


    Jesus Shaves wrote: »
    How would I get drunk everyday then?

    Easy -

    Use your welfare card to get your neighbours weekly shopping.

    Your neighbour gives you cash in return.

    You then head to the pub with the cash for ales and jigs. :)


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    [Deleted User]
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    Horse...stable door.....


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    golden lane
    Registered Users Posts: 1,364 ✭✭✭golden lane


    crapmanjoe wrote: »
    USA has passed a federal law requiring all states to come up with system / laws / legislation to prevent the use of welfare in liquor stores, gambling establishments and adult entertainment businesses by 2014.

    Do not want to get into a dole bashing argument here but if this can be implemented in the US across 50 different states surely it can be implemented here.

    Social welfare can be lodged into a special account for the recipient, cash withdrawals are prevented, receipents just use their card (or wire transfers for bills, rent etc) and the cards use is banned in certain locations.

    Anyway brief highlight of the story and a link to the full article

    "Under a new federal law, all states must prevent the use of cash benefits in liquor stores, gambling establishments and adult entertainment businesses by 2014. States that fail to establish policies face cuts in federal support.

    Welfare recipients use debit cards to buy things or get cash at ATMs. A report by the House Ways and Means committee cited news reports in eight states about people with welfare debit cards withdrawing thousands of dollars from ATMs in casinos, liquor stores and strip clubs. The report did not estimate how often that happened or how much money was involved






    http://content.usatoday.com/dist/custom/gci/InsidePage.aspx?cId=hattiesburgamerican&sParam=56100508.story[/QUOTE]


    great idea in theory....but it leave open a lot of avenues for misure......and for sharks to make a killing...


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    gaffer91
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    What if someone on the dole just enjoys a few cans at the weekend? Depending on the drink that could be easily under €10. Should this not be allowed? Or someone on the dole who is going to meet a girl/boy for dinner and wants to bring a bottle of wine or the like?

    ****ing stupid law. The way some people look down their noses at people on the dole is pathetic.


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    V_Moth
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    El Weirdo wrote: »
    Fuck it, lets just let the dole scum live on Soylent Green and have it done with.


    :rolleyes:

    Even better, turn them into Soylent Green to feed our Entrepreneurs. :D


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    Biggins
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    I just wish they would own up and tell us that little aliens are amid us!

    * http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/08/roswell-ufo-cia-agent-chase-brandon_n_1657077.html?utm_hp_ref=mostpopular

    * http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2170831/Roswell-UFO-landing-CIA-agent-Chase-Brandon-speaks-65th-anniversary.html


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    Chuck Stone
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    Bastards.

    They're trying to police the behaviour of the poor while the robber baron scum who almost collapsed the world economy get away scot free.

    The US needs a fucking revolution.


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    mattjack
    Registered Users Posts: 5,389 ✭✭✭mattjack


    realies wrote: »
    :D Christmas2012 I am getting addicted to your posts,Fair play to ya :D;)

    Thank fuck , I'm not the only one.


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    Red Crow
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,139 ✭✭✭Red Crow


    Welfare money shouldn't be used for alcohol or gambling anyway.

    Our system is a joke anyway. When a man is better off living off the state than working in it there is something horribly wrong.

    The system allows itself to be abused. A rigorous means test should be involved and anybody under 23 living with there parents should get less than 50 euro a week.

    I hope the welfare is slashed.


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    vard
    Registered Users Posts: 537 ✭✭✭vard


    I can't believe there are people beginning to defend dole money being spent on drink.

    I'm self employed; I can't afford nights out. I can just about afford food and transport. I'm one of many, yet still an insanely delusional few believe that their drinking habits should be paid for by people like us who can't afford the same luxuries they treat as entitlements.

    There is a serious problem with this mentality in Ireland. With attitudes like this becoming the norm, I'm beginning to fear for the little chance we have of recovery.


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    #19
    Red Crow
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,139 ✭✭✭Red Crow


    gaffer91 wrote: »
    What if someone on the dole just enjoys a few cans at the weekend? Depending on the drink that could be easily under €10. Should this not be allowed? Or someone on the dole who is going to meet a girl/boy for dinner and wants to bring a bottle of wine or the like?

    ****ing stupid law. The way some people look down their noses at people on the dole is pathetic.

    No, the state should not have to pay for alcohol for people. This country is embarrassing with attitudes like this.


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    mattjack
    Registered Users Posts: 5,389 ✭✭✭mattjack


    Eli Manning wrote: »
    Welfare money shouldn't be used for alcohol or gambling anyway.

    Our system is a joke anyway. When a man is better off living off the state than working in it there is something horribly wrong.

    The system allows itself to be abused. A rigorous means test should be involved and anybody under 23 living with there parents should get less than 50 euro a week.

    I hope the welfare is slashed.

    Are you telling me I've to be sober collecting the dole .


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    Jesus Shaves
    Registered Users Posts: 2,959 ✭✭✭Jesus Shaves


    vard wrote: »
    their drinking habits should be paid for by people like us

    :rolleyes:


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    Pedant
    Closed Accounts Posts: 919 ✭✭✭Pedant


    If it were me who has the say I would limit welfare (especially dole) to coupons for various essentials, like food coupons, medical care and stationary coupons to help with writing up CVs. The degree of freedom one has with their dole would be relative to their PRSI contribution.


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    #23
    mattjack
    Registered Users Posts: 5,389 ✭✭✭mattjack


    Jesus Shaves wrote: »
    :rolleyes:

    I'll see your one and raise ya two..:rolleyes::rolleyes:


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    starviewadams
    Registered Users Posts: 6,116 ✭✭✭starviewadams


    Pedant wrote: »
    If it were me who has the say I would limit welfare (especially dole) to coupons for various essentials, like food coupons and medical care.

    Well thank christ it isn't you then!


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    Lyaiera
    Registered Users Posts: 5,818 ✭✭✭Lyaiera


    Pedant wrote: »
    If it were me who has the say I would limit welfare (especially dole) to coupons for various essentials, like food coupons and medical care.

    Medical care!?! If they're not working they're not contributing so why should they be entitled to a healthy life?


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    Ellis Dee
    Registered Users Posts: 2,512 ✭✭✭Ellis Dee


    Why not just lock them up in workhouses and control every morsel they eat, every drop (of water only, naturally) they drink, what rags they wear, how often they wash and with what kind of soap, make them sleep in gender-segregated dormitories ---:rolleyes::rolleyes:

    Yessir, the USA can play a pioneering role here and we'll all line up to follow their example.;);)

    --- And wonder why no one ever thought of it before.:):)


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    Jesus Shaves
    Registered Users Posts: 2,959 ✭✭✭Jesus Shaves


    mattjack wrote: »
    I'll see your one and raise ya two..:rolleyes::rolleyes:

    I'll see your 2 and offer you 2 food vouchers in lieu of 1 rollseyes smiley


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    Red Crow
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,139 ✭✭✭Red Crow


    Lyaiera wrote: »
    Medical care!?! If they're not working they're not contributing so why should they be entitled to a healthy life?

    Good point. They'd only trade it off for drugs anyway.


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    #29
    Lyaiera
    Registered Users Posts: 5,818 ✭✭✭Lyaiera


    Ellis Dee wrote: »
    Why not just lock them up in workhouses and control every morsel they eat, every drop (of water only, naturally) they drink, what rags they wear, how often they wash and with what kind of soap, make them sleep in gender-segregated dormitories ---:rolleyes::rolleyes:

    Yessir, the USA can play a pioneering role here and we'll all line up to follow their example.;);)

    --- And wonder why no one ever thought of it before.:):)

    I'm way ahead of you Ellis. http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=79506663


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    #30
    Fight_Night
    Registered Users Posts: 720 ✭✭✭Fight_Night


    It is policing the way people(usually from disadvantaged areas) live which OK is wrong, but on the other hand, social welfare isn't huge, surely the money could be better spent?


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    gaffer91
    Registered Users Posts: 1,211 ✭✭✭gaffer91


    Eli Manning wrote: »
    No, the state should not have to pay for alcohol for people. This country is embarrassing with attitudes like this.

    An attitude that we should maintain a basic sense of decency to people less fortunate than us? It's a small comfort, and it's putting money back in the economy, don't see the big problem. Just because someone is on the dole and enjoys a few drinks a week doesn't make him/her an alcoholic "scrounger" who has no intention of working again.

    Just because you are paying tax and a jobseeker temporarily isn't doesn't mean you have a right to control his or her life.


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