Cervical cancer vaccine program scrapped

Hi there,

just found a solution as outlined in my post right here.

Stop water fluoridation of drinking water, save the millions, live healthier, and spend the millions on cervical cancer vaccine!
But she was trying so hard to find a few millions, there you go Mary Harney!

Simple and easy!

Think about it.

regards

Nuravictus wrote: »

Look at the Flu Vaccinations which causes Alzheimers

WTF???

Try to contain the scaremongering!

Hey, i know that this is a little off topic, and i dont know if this has been posted elsewhere. So Mods, if it is in the wrong place or if it has ben mentioned already feel free to move/delete it.

Below is a link to Ray Darcy's page on the Today FM Website. He is asking people to sign a petition on the page which will be sent to the department of health.

I have signed and i hope many more of the wimmins (and men of course) will do the same.

http://www.todayfm.com/Article.asp?id=971162

taconnol wrote: »

OK so I did some checking on gynaecologist salaries:

IE:€180k/year plus bonus
UK: c. €120k/year plus bonus
France: €90k/year plus bonus
Mexico: €108k/year plus bonus

I have yet to find any other country's public health service that pays its consultants as much as Ireland does. I wonder why exactly people go into these jobs if they won't get out of bed for less than €150k/year, if they hate them so much?

I mean, where is all the money going into the health service go?? Administrators? Does the government not provide a break-down?

Now compare those salaries on a pro-rata basis to the governments top legal and financial people. What would you pay a plumber to work 60 hours a week, plus be on call for a huge chunk of their careers, plus having to sometimes work 18-20 hour shifts. It would be less than what a consultant gets, but not enormously so. Same with lawyers or accountants.

Australia and the US pay many of their doctors more than in Ireland. Plus you're ignoring the cost of living in ireland when you're comparing salaries. You talk about the UK.....when I was a junior doc there I was living in a top floor really plush apartment in the expensive bit of town, while earning no more than my electrician mate back in dublin. On that salary i would have struggled to even rent in Dublin, for example. So you have to be careful with comparisons.

I never said consultants hate their jobs. I made the following points..no more, no less......

1) They have a really really stressful job, and they work long hours. They should be paid for this. 50 euro an hour isn't ridiculous for what they do.

2) For that money you're getting some of the best minds in the country, and you've bastardised them of their 20s and 30s working slave hours for the public health service. They've literally spent up to 13 years of their life working shifts that are up to 72 hours long to get where they are.

3) If you take the whole 9 million per annum straight out of the consultants' salaries, they'll quite rightly tell you to stop taking the piss, and go and work in the Beacon hospital for more money, less hours and less stress. The fact that these people work in the private sector makes them the good guys. You can earn literally a fortune in the private sector. I was a PATIENT at a private clinic in Dublin when I was back home recently, and they offered me a job with a massive payrise to come and work for them! While I was ill!!! These greedy bastard consultants could easy cream in half a million a year in the private sector. No bother at all. Many would make more than that. Why don't they?

4) If you take the piss like that, they will quite rightly leave the public sector. I'm absoloutely commited to public work and have never taken a cent of private money from a patient. But if someone told me after a 24 hour shift with no break, making life and death decisions all night that I'm overpaid and greedy and they were taking a huge chunk of my salary away, then I'd leave there and then. If the good people leave the public sector, then you'll get what you want. That's cool with me. I have private healthcare. If I have daughters they'll be able to access the vaccine very easily. But I'm arguing the point to try and make the point that the frontline health workers are not the evil people here.

But, like I said, BUPA pay my medical bills, and you get what you pay for. So knock yourself out with importing Mexican consultants all over the place if you want.

But, regardless of what you believe people's motives are, if you loose the top people in the health service, you certainly won't be naking things any better.

luckat wrote: »

In relation to cervical cancer being spread by sex - it's kind of a non-issue. Anyone who wants to have children is likely to have sex, unless the people proposing abstention are also proposing that all children should be born through IVF.

And even if a woman only has sex with one man all her life, she can't be certain that he won't have sex with others.

In relation to the scare stories about vaccines - the vaccine wasn't proposed to be compulsory. Those who are worried about vaccination's possible side effects are perfectly welcome to refuse it for their daughters.

(My own, non-scientific, view on MMR and autism is this: I have a gut feeling that people with a predisposition to autism may also have an intolerance to some component of the vaccine or the substance used as a carrier for it. If/when that 'autism gene' is found, it will be possible to skip the vaccination for those children. I suspect that autism may be something the same as PPK, one of the problems for which the heel-prick test is given to newborns. With PPK (phenylketonuria), children who eat normal food gradually become brain damaged, but if they eat a special, restricted diet, they do not suffer that damage.)

I have close friends who are the heartbroken family of a severely damaged darling adult autistic son. But if I had a child, I'd still have it vaccinated. However, if there were autism in my family, I'd be very cautious about the vaccine, and also about any man becoming a father when he was over 30.

I totally respect your right to hold the opinions above. But can I just pop in here and put the other side of it out there, just because a huge portion of people who read this will be parents some time in the future.....

In populations of kids who have never been vaccinated, the rates of autism are no lower than in populations where kids have been vaccinated. There is absoloutely zero evidence of a link between vaccines and autism.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but i think it's important to acknowledge when our opinions are just that, and compare them to what the actual evidence is. And in fairness to luckat, she did just that.

tallaght01 wrote: »

Now compare those salaries on a pro-rata basis to the governments top legal and financial people. What would you pay a plumber to work 60 hours a week, plus be on call for a huge chunk of their careers, plus having to sometimes work 18-20 hour shifts. It would be less than what a consultant gets, but not enormously so. Same with lawyers or accountants.

Australia and the US pay many of their doctors more than in Ireland. Plus you're ignoring the cost of living in ireland when you're comparing salaries. You talk about the UK.....when I was a junior doc there I was living in a top floor really plush apartment in the expensive bit of town, while earning no more than my electrician mate back in dublin. On that salary i would have struggled to even rent in Dublin, for example. So you have to be careful with comparisons.

I never said consultants hate their jobs. I made the following points..no more, no less......

1) They have a really really stressful job, and they work long hours. They should be paid for this. 50 euro an hour isn't ridiculous for what they do.

2) For that money you're getting some of the best minds in the country, and you've bastardised them of their 20s and 30s working slave hours for the public health service. They've literally spent up to 13 years of their life working shifts that are up to 72 hours long to get where they are.

3) If you take the whole 9 million per annum straight out of the consultants' salaries, they'll quite rightly tell you to stop taking the piss, and go and work in the Beacon hospital for more money, less hours and less stress. The fact that these people work in the private sector makes them the good guys. You can earn literally a fortune in the private sector. I was a PATIENT at a private clinic in Dublin when I was back home recently, and they offered me a job with a massive payrise to come and work for them! While I was ill!!! These greedy bastard consultants could easy cream in half a million a year in the private sector. No bother at all. Many would make more than that. Why don't they?

4) If you take the piss like that, they will quite rightly leave the public sector. I'm absoloutely commited to public work and have never taken a cent of private money from a patient. But if someone told me after a 2 hour shift with no break, making life and death decisions all night that I'm overpaid and greedy and they were taking a huge chunk of my salary away, then I'd leave there and then. If the good people leave the public sector, then you'll get what you want. That's cool with me. I have private healthcare. If I have daughters they'll be able to access the vaccine very easily. But I'm arguing the point to try and make the point that the frontline health workers are not the evil people here.

But, like I said, BUPA pay my medical bills, and you get what you pay for. So knock yourself out with importing Mexican consultants all over the place if you want.

But, regardless of what you believe people's motives are, if you loose the top people in the health service, you certainly won't be naking things any better.

From friends working in UK on such salaries the say tax is much higher there than here offsetting the cost of living differences to a large degree.Also London is more expensive than Ireland and consultants there manage despite less salary than those here on "mickey mouse money".