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Munster Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread II

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    #7352
    [Deleted User]
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    @ Fireball07, here's an alarmingly similar post from just over a year ago.

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=78629445&postcount=8688


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    #7353
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    trouttrout wrote: »
    Well you said that Munster only gave gametime to 2 10's and 2 9's for one

    pedantic much?
    Deleted User wrote: »

    Edit, please don't make this a Leinster v Munster thing (though I clearly have above). The Leinster examples are the ones I know best, and I've used them as such. Specific (198 minutes for my player vs 174 minutes for yours) examples aren't what I'm trying to show here, but an overall trend of not using players outside of a set group. It's something that EOS did @ Ireland and got chastised for, it's something that Kidney did at Munster but was fine because they were all young (fine in short term anyway) and it's something that Kidney did at Ireland and it gutted him eventually.

    As posted previously, 2 games at 10 is hardly 'giving gametime' to Hanrahan, and how many games did Sherdian play when Munster were still in sight of the playoffs?


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    #7354
    Lelantos
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    trouttrout wrote: »
    Really nice gesture from the lads at Donal Walsh's funeral, RIP

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    Yes, saw that this morning. Guard of honour from both his gaa club & Tralee Rugby club. Main street in town was lined on both sides by the townspeople & the cortege was applauded as it passed thru. Very moving & amazing to see how someone so young has had such a positive effect on the whole country


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    #7355
    Eod100
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    Any word on ROG's and Murray's contracts?


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    #7356
    trouttrout
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    pedantic much?


    Ah come off it. It's not pedantic to point out that you were wrong in saying Munster only gave gametime to 4 players in key positions this season when infact the number is 6 in a debate about developing players


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    #7357
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    trouttrout wrote: »
    Ah come off it. It's not pedantic to point out that you were wrong in saying Munster only gave gametime to 4 players in key positions this season when infact the number is 6 in a debate about developing players

    Without being pedantic, that's exactly what pedantic is.

    Point scoring instead of responding to an overall message.


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    #7358
    irishbucsfan
    Registered Users Posts: 37,978 ✭✭✭✭irishbucsfan


    If Emmet says something that is wrong and you point it out, it is only because you are looking to do some point scoring.

    (I consider that another point in the bag)


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    #7359
    irishbucsfan
    Registered Users Posts: 37,978 ✭✭✭✭irishbucsfan


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Without being pedantic, that's exactly what pedantic is.

    Point scoring instead of responding to an overall message.

    You said "Where have I exaggerated?" And then he pointed out a fairly large exaggeration.

    Seems to me he was responding to that message pretty directly.


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    #7360
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    cool.

    Real cool


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    #7361
    trouttrout
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    irishbucsfan wrote: »
    You said "Where have I exaggerated?" And then he pointed out a fairly large exaggeration.

    Seems to me he was responding to that message pretty directly.

    dis


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    #7362
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    irishbucsfan wrote: »
    You said "Where have I exaggerated?" And then he pointed out a fairly large exaggeration.

    Seems to me he was responding to that message pretty directly.

    Statement : "Munster invested gametime in one other out half this season"
    Fact: Hanrahan played 2 games at ten.

    Statement: "Munster invested gametime in one other scrum half this season"
    Fact: Sheridan has had a couple of starts since the league was over. (4 starts 4 subs total) In a season when Murray and Stringer weren't available for large portions.

    Fairly large exaggeration?

    Come off it.

    Night folks.


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    #7363
    trouttrout
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,234 ✭✭✭trouttrout


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Statement : "Munster invested gametime in one other out half this season"
    Fact: Hanrahan played 2 games at ten.

    Statement: "Munster invested gametime in one other scrum half this season"
    Fact: Sheridan has had a couple of starts since the league was over. In a season when Murray and Stringer weren't available for large portions.

    Fairly large exaggeration?

    Come off it.

    Night folks.

    It was

    Sheridan has started 4 games for Munster and benched in a HC semi. 8 appearances overall. Your statement is a large exaggeration because it ignores all those appearances and implies that Murray and Williams are the only 2 nines given game time for Munster this year

    Same with ROG and Keatley being the only 10's to play when JJ has played at ten this year

    I don't know how you can't see how what you said was wrong/an exaggeration


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    #7364
    Ruck Inspector
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    trouttrout wrote: »
    It was

    Sheridan has started 4 games for Munster and benched in a HC semi. 8 appearances overall. Your statement is a large exaggeration because it ignores all those appearances and implies that Murray and Williams are the only 2 nines given game time for Munster this year

    Same with ROG and Keatley being the only 10's to play. JJ got two full games at 10


    two full games is a nothing investment for a player of JJ's potential


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    #7365
    trouttrout
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    Ruck Inspector wrote: »
    two full games is a nothing investment for a player of JJ's potential

    That's only at 10, he's played at 12 this season too. In fact I was reasonably happy with the amount of senior gametime JJ got this year


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    #7366
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    trouttrout wrote: »
    I don't know how you can't see how what you said was wrong/an exaggeration

    I will ensure to be robotically precise from now on. No problem.

    In my opinion there's no chance you could consider 2 games adequate development time for a backup ten in the final season of your starting 10s contract.
    In my opinion 4 games as a starter to try to find a second choice scrum half when you consider your first choice scrum half is missing for 1/4 the season is almost an insult.

    Anyway, I'm done debating this manically depressively circular argument. I bowed out last season in much the same vein. Carry on ignoring internal development. I'm a Leinster fan, I don't mind in that regard. Just means that for Ireland we're going to see a lot more of Ulster's product coming through, and we'll need to see Connacht's production system getting the rewards it deserves.


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    #7367
    marienbad
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    Care to take any of what was said and rebut it or just going to leave a throwaway sarcastic comment in response to genuine constructive criticism?

    No I am happy to leave the throwaway sarcastic comment , but thanks for asking.


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    #7368
    Buer
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    For a 20 year old lad, JJH had plenty of game time this season. He's not the second coming. He's a kid who is developing and is being managed. His performances did not demand more game time which is not to say he was disappointing at all. He made 11 appearances (including 5 starts) this season which is plenty for a bloke learning the ropes at 20 years old.

    Jan Serfontein who was undoubtedly deserving of the IRB U20 Player of the Year, has only 4 starts for the Bulls this season and is far more physically prepared for professional rugby.


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    #7369
    Mahatma Geansai
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    Ya Munster are terrible at developing young players. Its the reason why are back and front rows are over the hill. Why Murray is with the Lions. Why players like Zebo and LOD have never kicked on.

    I guess we just have to be happy we reached one last HEC semifinal as its not like we've a young squad that can push on from where they left off this season.


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    #7370
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    Mahatma Geansai wrote: »
    Ya Munster are terrible at developing young players. Its the reason why are back and front rows are over the hill. Why Murray is with the Lions. Why players like Zebo and LOD have never kicked on.

    I guess we just have to be happy we reached one last HEC semifinal as its not like we've a young squad that can push on from where they left off this season.


    Squad can certainly push on, but to suggest Munster were a very strong team this year is hilarious. They can still get up for the once off occasion especially when POC is around but without his inspiring presence you were decidedly below average for most of the season


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    #7371
    ormond lad
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    Mahatma Geansai wrote: »
    Ya Munster are terrible at developing young players. Its the reason why are back and front rows are over the hill. Why Murray is with the Lions. Why players like Zebo and LOD have never kicked on.

    I guess we just have to be happy we reached one last HEC semifinal as its not like we've a young squad that can push on from where they left off this season.
    Terrible no but could be much better. No the back-row is not over the hill.
    How has Zebo not kicked on???
    We have the bones of a good squad that can go on and do well the next few years


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    #7372
    Micky Dolenz
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    ormond lad wrote: »
    Terrible no but could be much better. No the back-row is not over the hill.
    How has Zebo not kicked on???
    We have the bones of a good squad that can go on and do well the next few years


    I think you are missing his point a tad.


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    #7373
    ormond lad
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    Micky Dolenz wrote: »
    I think you are missing his point a tad.
    Yeah reading post again I prob am but...

    Anyway here's an academy update
    http://www.munsterrugby.ie/news/11936.php


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    #7374
    Mahatma Geansai
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    Ruck Inspector wrote: »
    Squad can certainly push on, but to suggest Munster were a very strong team this year is hilarious. They can still get up for the once off occasion especially when POC is around but without his inspiring presence you were decidedly below average for most of the season

    Did I suggest that Munster were a very strong team? Its a new group of unproven but largely exciting players who now have proof that they can go toe-to-toe with the best in Europe. Sure there are areas of concern in the squad, but things should only grow from here.


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    #7375
    Lelantos
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    Eod100 wrote: »
    Any word on ROG's and Murray's contracts?

    Nothing as of yet. Its probably a safe bet to say Murray is getting a central contract. ROG could stay for 1 more year after the efforts of Tremenjus


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    #7376
    Clareman
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    Murray is just after getting a full contract, he'll be getting a central contract when anything comes up.

    As for not trying out new players, I know stats are great for showing a lot of stuff, but I think it's important to have younger players supported when they come through, no point in just throwing in 15 under 20s and letting them play, having someone like Horan on the pitch will mean that younger players can look to him for leadership or he can give some tips on what to do. Over the past couple of years Munster have had a completely new pack and backline, it's difficult to give more players a chance when the players they'd be replacing would only be getting used to each other. In almost every position we have 2 players than can play there without weakening the team, hopefully we'll be getting a few more lads out to get up to 3 in a lot of positions, especially where we'll be losing players to the Irish setup.


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    #7377
    shuffol
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    Is there a culture in Munster of players staying on longer towards the end of their careers compared to other provinces, I know with Leinster in particular guys have left with plenty of mileage left in the clock, most notably Hickie and Gleeson. I know Cullen, BOD, D'arcy are old but still first choice so would have no reason to retire.


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    #7378
    Clareman
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    shuffol wrote: »
    Is there a culture in Munster of players staying on longer towards the end of their careers compared to other provinces, I know with Leinster in particular guys have left with plenty of mileage left in the clock, most notably Hickie and Gleeson. I know Cullen, BOD, D'arcy are old but still first choice so would have no reason to retire.

    Mick O'Driscoll could have played on for another couple of years I reckon. I don't think it's a provincial thing, it's more a tax incentive and being offered a longer contract, I can't think of many players that have being given a "mercy" contract.


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    #7379
    Ruck Inspector
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    Clareman wrote: »
    Murray is just after getting a full contract, he'll be getting a central contract when anything comes up.


    His contract is up this summer and nothing has been announced.


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    #7380
    Clareman
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    Ruck Inspector wrote: »
    His contract is up this summer and nothing has been announced.

    You sure? He just finished in the academy in 10/11, I always thought his first contract was 3 years, no matter, whenever it's up he'll be getting a Central Contract, no player who's the starting player in his position AND on the Lions tour will be skipped over.


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    #7381
    Ruck Inspector
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    Clareman wrote: »
    You sure? He just finished in the academy in 10/11, I always thought his first contract was 3 years, no matter, whenever it's up he'll be getting a Central Contract, no player who's the starting player in his position AND on the Lions tour will be skipped over.

    Obviously I'm not advocating he shouldn't be offered a contract, just that its being reported that his contract is up this summer.


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