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30 year old woman dies during London Marathon

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  • #102
    ThisRegard
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    youtube! wrote: »
    Just as an aside when I was a kid my best mates Dad ran Marathons all the time,never drank or put junk food in his body, a total long distance running freak he had a quadruple bypass at the age of 46, he died at 58, not saying it was because of the marathon running but it wouldnt surprise me in the least.

    It would completely surprise me.


  • #103
    28064212
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    youtube! wrote: »
    Look mate read the article,regardless of it being made up of several studies and regardless of it not being 100% conclusive it does make a lot of valid points
    Which valid points, in which specific source papers? For a contrary opinion, the Berkeley National Laboratory (in a far, far larger study), found that 40 miles a week was an optimal distance for running, a target which you're not likely to reach training for 5k and 10k races

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  • #104
    nerraw1111
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    Well, this just proves why you should never read youtube comments.


  • #105
    ThePiedPiper
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    Right so.. In the same way that there are plenty of people that reach 80 years or more who have smoked fags all their lives and drank too much. I'd say the fags and the booze are the things that contributed to their longevity....

    Oh wait, sorry, they would probably be isolated cases that would be the exception rather than the rule. QED. Is my reply now scientifically conclusive?


  • #106
    rom
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    youtube! wrote: »
    Look mate read the article,regardless of it being made up of several studies and regardless of it not being 100% conclusive it does make a lot of valid points, when I started only last year to do the C25K prog which is absolutely brilliant in every way, I promised myself that one day I would run a marathon,however even though I can run 5k-10ks in my sleep literally now, I have educated myself to reason that it is not a good idea to overdo it. HIT training is where its at no doubt in my mind about that. Check out the BBC Horizon programme "the truth about exercise" for a real eye opener about training.

    Just as an aside when I was a kid my best mates Dad ran Marathons all the time,never drank or put junk food in his body, a total long distance running freak he had a quadruple bypass at the age of 46, he died at 58, not saying it was because of the marathon running but it wouldnt surprise me in the least.

    There are other risk factors.

    High blood cholesterol and triglyceride (tri-GLIS-er-ide) levels (a type of fat found in the blood)
    High blood pressure
    Diabetes and prediabetes
    Overweight and obesity
    Smoking
    Lack of physical activity (looks like he didn't have this one)
    Unhealthy diet (looks like he didn't have this one)
    Stress

    He could still have had 6 out of 8 of those.


  • #107
    nerraw1111
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    RunForestRun wrote: »
    . Is my reply now scientifically conclusive?

    Stick a few "maybes," "on the other hand" and an example of your mate's brother's uncle and you'll be on solid scientific grounds.


  • #108
    menoscemo
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    youtube! wrote: »
    Check out the BBC Horizon programme "the truth about exercise" for a real eye opener about training.

    Most of us here didn't think that was a real eyeopener at all:

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=77326511


  • #109
    youtube!
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    rom wrote: »
    There are other risk factors.

    High blood cholesterol and triglyceride (tri-GLIS-er-ide) levels (a type of fat found in the blood)
    High blood pressure
    Diabetes and prediabetes
    Overweight and obesity
    Smoking
    Lack of physical activity (looks like he didn't have this one)
    Unhealthy diet (looks like he didn't have this one)
    Stress

    He could still have had 6 out of 8 of those.


    He didnt smoke, wasnt ever a diabetic (i know this because I am still best mates with his son) wasnt overweight, dunno about hight blood pressure or cholesterol but I can find out, stress meh thats all rubbish about stress causing heart problems in the first place,


    more proof

    http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/04/110405194101.htm


  • #110
    ThePiedPiper
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    I'm annoyed at myself for even biting at this old debate. I ran London last year, conditions were warm and muggy, and the runner who died was, although misguided in whatever choices she made, extremely unlucky. This shouldn't have become some sort of slagging match about the dangers of overtraining or whatever.


  • #111
    28064212
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    youtube! wrote: »
    more proof
    Of what? That is totally unrelated to your assertion that "Marathon running... is a very dangerous act"

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  • #112
    pansophelia
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    Last year I mentioned to a friend I was thinking of running a marathon. She had a bit of a rant about how it was dangerous to do that level of exercise. At the time she was working in the cardiology department of a busy hospital - I asked how many of her patients over the previous few months had been marathoners - none.
    The main point the coroner here made was that this young woman bought an exercise supplement in good faith online, as many many people do, without being fully aware of the potential consequences.


  • #113
    menoscemo
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    youtube! wrote: »
    more proof

    http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/04/110405194101.htm

    That's laughable and doesn't prove anything.
    The only conclusion is that it is more time efficient to do short intense busts than 'long' (20 minute :rolleyes:) sessions of excercise. Anyone with half a brain would know that anyway....The assumption seems to be that people don't want to waste time excercising.
    You do realise most people on here actually enjoy running for long periods? You do also realise that most marathon runners do actually run short, intense intervals as part of their training (just not every day)?
    Most of us probably do more 'HIT' than you but just don't label it as such...


  • #114
    ger664
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    We will all die from something. Stop worrying about it and go out and do whatever rocks your boat before its too late.


  • #115
    Cabaal
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    I find that exercise being blamed for deaths here somewhat odd,

    The same paper youtube! links to suggests that a drug "maybe" involved in Claire Squires death during the London marathon

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthnews/9837613/Jack3D-the-controversial-supplement-linked-to-Claire-Squires-death.html


  • #116
    louthandproud
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    "After our recent articles on this topic,1 3–5
    Amby Burfoot, winner of the 1968 Boston
    Marathon and Editor-at-Large for Runner’s
    World Magazine, challenged our assertions
    about the dangers of extreme endurance
    efforts by demanding, ‘Show me the
    bodies’. Amby has a good point: the risk of
    dropping dead in a marathon is remote,
    about 0.5 to 1 in 100,000 participants    .6 But
    the occasional marathoner or triathlete who
    dies while strenuously exercising is the
    ‘canary in the coal mine’. Chronic extreme
    exercise appears to cause excessive
    ‘wear-and-tear’ on the heart, inducing
    adverse structural and electrical remodeling,
    which offsets some of the CV benefits and
    longevity improvements conferred by moderate
    physical activity. Thus, even though
    chronic extreme exercise may not kill you, it
    may erase many of the health advantages of
    regular moderate exercise."


    This is the key paragraph for me in the article I linked yesterday, there's a lot of "may's" in it and I would like to see a lot more conclusive research on the topic. I won't be changing my moderate to high exercise regime just yet! As anecdotal observations I have made is that runners live longer and healthier lives than non runners and that includes those that run marathons.


  • #117
    robinph
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    99% of people who take part in marathon running are only ever running at moderate intensity.

    The lads who are knocking out 26 sub5's in a row can be classed as putting in some extreme effort, the rest of us are not. Of course we all claim otherwise up the pub afterwards.


  • #118
    average_runner
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    youtube! wrote: »
    He didnt smoke, wasnt ever a diabetic (i know this because I am still best mates with his son) wasnt overweight, dunno about hight blood pressure or cholesterol but I can find out, stress meh thats all rubbish about stress causing heart problems in the first place,


    more proof

    http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/04/110405194101.htm


    Stress is a very big factor in heart issues for god sake. When you do a medical the first thing they want to know is how stress out you get. It causes blood pressure to rise.


  • #119
    MrCreosote
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    The whole "strenuous exercise is bad for you so don't do it" argument is total bull. So much of what we do is not optimal for health.

    If you're exercising purely for longevity then fine, keep it to moderate exercise. If you want to exercise strenuously or do endurance events because shock, horror, you enjoy doing them, then go for it.

    And please, no more "I know someone who exercised like crazy and dropped dead at 50" It adds nothing to any argument. What you don't know is how long he would have lived if he never exercised. Look at Jim Fixx- died at 52 while running is all you ever hear about, but he had been a heavy smoker and his father had a heart attack at 35 and died at 42...


  • #120
    rom
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    Next time someone say running marathons is dangerous ask them do you know anyone that has died from running marathons or shortly afterwards ?
    Answer will probably be no.

    Then ask do you know anyone who has died from or had any of the following ?
    1. Heart disease.
    2. Cancer.
    3. Obesity related disease.
    4. Suicide.
    5. Diabetes.
    6. Stroke.
    7. Respiratory system diseases.

    Then ask the person do you think lack of exercise is risk factor towards each of you just mentioned. Then ask them has a member of their own family died from one of these and if so why are they living sedimentary life because what they are doing is much more dangerous to their health.


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  • #121
    the_syco
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    youtube! wrote: »
    stress meh thats all rubbish about stress causing heart problems in the first placel
    As opposed the bollox you've written so far? You attribute X Y znd Z, but not stress, even though it's a factor in heart related deaths. Heck, I'd say stress kills more people than any marathon does!

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  • #122
    average_runner
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    I have done a good few races over the years from 5k to marathons.
    But i only seen two people get cpr in all the races i have done and they were 5miles and 10k!


    So if your that worry and going by my science:rolleyes: you should stop doing 5miles and 10k races and do marathons!!


    Actually what did the study say about ultras?


  • #123
    rom
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,142 ✭✭✭rom


    Remember talk to my father that back in the day he got up at 4 in the morning and cycled from Cork to Dublin for the all-Ireland and cycled back the next day. No fancy bikes in those days and it was no big deal as loads of people did it. People are soft today. Back in the day when agriculture was the dominant sector in Ireland people trained more than they did today and did a day's hard work also. There was a lot less medical problems and people died from stuff that is today curable.


  • #124
    ultrapercy
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    youtube! wrote: »
    Look mate read the article,regardless of it being made up of several studies and regardless of it not being 100% conclusive it does make a lot of valid points, when I started only last year to do the C25K prog which is absolutely brilliant in every way, I promised myself that one day I would run a marathon,however even though I can run 5k-10ks in my sleep literally now, I have educated myself to reason that it is not a good idea to overdo it. HIT training is where its at no doubt in my mind about that. Check out the BBC Horizon programme "the truth about exercise" for a real eye opener about training.

    Just as an aside when I was a kid my best mates Dad ran Marathons all the time,never drank or put junk food in his body, a total long distance running freak he had a quadruple bypass at the age of 46, he died at 58, not saying it was because of the marathon running but it wouldnt surprise me in the least.
    Running 5k to 10k in your sleep is very dangerous. It may be time efficient but can lead to injury and in some cases even death.


  • #125
    Ceepo
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    youtube! wrote: »

    Just as an aside when I was a kid my best mates Dad ran Marathons all the time,never drank or put junk food in his body, a total long distance running freak he had a quadruple bypass at the age of 46, he died at 58, not saying it was because of the marathon running but it wouldnt surprise me in the least.

    Just because someone is fit, it does not mean they are healthy.


  • #126
    the_syco
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    rom wrote: »
    There was a lot less medical problems and people died from stuff that is today curable.
    And bipolar people were locked away into the mental homes for the rest of their lives. Many men didn't talk about health problems and rarely went to their GP, even if they were pissing blood.


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  • #127
    Cabaal
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    rom wrote: »
    Remember talk to my father that back in the day he got up at 4 in the morning and cycled from Cork to Dublin for the all-Ireland and cycled back the next day. No fancy bikes in those days and it was no big deal as loads of people did it. People are soft today. Back in the day when agriculture was the dominant sector in Ireland people trained more than they did today and did a day's hard work also. There was a lot less medical problems and people died from stuff that is today curable.

    Was also common for people to walk with cattle from the likes of Kerry to Wexford, Kilkenny etc to sell them. Took them days to walk with the cows but sure people did it.

    I'd agree people are abit soft these days,


  • #128
    dna_leri
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    Cabaal wrote: »
    Was also common for people to walk with cattle from the likes of Kerry to Wexford, Kilkenny etc to sell them. Took them days to walk with the cows but sure people did it.

    I'd agree people are abit soft these days,

    How many of them lived past 80 to tell the story ?


  • #129
    b.harte
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    People are soft these days because they pay too much attention to studies that have little relevance to their own situation or circumstances.
    People read what they want to read into specific reports and base their own opinion on what others choose to publish.
    People are in effect too wrapped up on what's (perceived) to be right or wrong they often overlook the obvious.
    If you want to run a marathon, then train for and run a marathon, paying appropriate attention to your own abilities or limitations, don't do so or not do so because some paper you read tells you to (or not...whatever).
    Same with that HIT stuff.. that's where it's at?
    Seriously, it's not.
    That's where some reports, citing some evidence is telling you "it is at", to limit and settle on one opinion or mindset is a bit silly, there is so much conflicting reports the sensible option is to not do anything and become morbidly obese, but at least you won't die doing a marathon.
    FFS, there's bigger stuff out there than reading studies and basing your activities around them, life is short, be sensible and be balanced, in terms of what to eat, how you exercise and how you deal with other life stuff, it's about balance.
    Anything else is doing you the worst disservice on many levels.
    Run fast, run slow, run long or run short, lift heavy objects and put them back down again, repeat, ultimately it matters very little so long as you are doing something that improve fitness and reduces your chance of well documented and well proven life threatening illnesses / conditions, anything beyond that is to satisfy your inner cravings to be faster, stronger, whatever.
    To not do something because there may be a slight chance of a minor risk of something potentially going wrong isn't in my opinion (and that's not is any study) a rewarding way to live a life.
    (Sorry, bad day at the office -this mini-rant is my balance):o

    On the subject of people walking to markets, out of necessity, now we're spoiled getting to drive everywhere. That's what has changed, we now don't want to do what people needed to do many years ago, underneath we're pretty much the same, but nowadays the preferred option for a sizeable chunk of us is to take the easier option and not walk / cycle or run as part of our normal day, we segment and compartmentalise it into a lifestyle choice or allocate specific time to it, instead of it forming a core part of our day, it's an appendage.
    To be fair I'm sure many of those you did make the physical effort many years ago would have envied the alternative, but I'm beginning to think we've lost a bit of our selves through modernity.
    I keep thinking of that movie Wall-e where everything is automated and people are unable to do anything, I actually see that as a potential problem, and I attribute some of it to ill-founded, poorly-reproduced, populist and propagandised articles recycled en-mass to convince that exercise a is better/worse than exercise b,c,d for no other reason than to herd us sheep like into the next big marketable buzz.
    Cross-fit anyone?
    :mad:
    (Really bad day)


  • #130
    b.harte
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    in b4 the
    TL;DR
    (spending too much time in after hours) :rolleyes:


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