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Reeling in the years

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  • #92
    rainbowtrout
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,463 ✭✭✭✭rainbowtrout


    OU812 wrote: »
    The latter ones (2000'd) aren't as good, I'm assuming different editors working on them.

    I think they should do it every year rather than ten

    It's not the editing, it's that they didn't wait long enough to make it. It was made in 2011 I think, and that's not enough time to see what events have a longterm impact.

    E.g. Some of the earlier ones show clips in the 60s/70s of Mary Robinson campaigning as a student... fast forward to 1990 and she's president. They were able to pull those clips of her at student protests knowing how her career developed 20 years later. There's no way an editor would be able to pick a person out of a protest now as being a significant public figure in the future.

    If Trump gets elected in November and make some controversial decisions a few years down the road, then the 2016 RITY could rightly show some of the controversial elements of his campaign from this year and what it led to. If he loses it probably wouldn't feature at all. But if you were to make the program next year, an editor is likely to stick in it because it's a big news story now. We have no idea of how it is going to pan out down the road. I'd prefer if they waited 8-10 years for hindsight.


  • #93
    riclad
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,184 ✭✭✭riclad


    Yes there was unemployment.wages were low, there was emigration.
    theres plus,s and minus,es .
    There was no social pressure to be on facebook or social media ,
    There was no pressure to post loads of pics or selfies or to pretend i am cool ,look at my instragram/ snapchat .
    my first job was 50 euro per week,
    i don,t think i have rose coloured glasses .
    people did not go to pubs or cafes and just look at phones .
    I,m not saying life was easy in the 80.s or the 90s .


  • #94
    syklops
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,966 ✭✭✭✭syklops


    rainbowtrout wrote: »
    It's not the editing, it's that they didn't wait long enough to make it. It was made in 2011 I think, and that's not enough time to see what events have a longterm impact.

    E.g. Some of the earlier ones show clips in the 60s/70s of Mary Robinson campaigning as a student... fast forward to 1990 and she's president. They were able to pull those clips of her at student protests knowing how her career developed 20 years later. There's no way an editor would be able to pick a person out of a protest now as being a significant public figure in the future.

    If Trump gets elected in November and make some controversial decisions a few years down the road, then the 2016 RITY could rightly show some of the controversial elements of his campaign from this year and what it led to. If he loses it probably wouldn't feature at all. But if you were to make the program next year, an editor is likely to stick in it because it's a big news story now. We have no idea of how it is going to pan out down the road. I'd prefer if they waited 8-10 years for hindsight.

    Spot on.

    A RITY from 2008 showing the US copying the BBCs "The Apprentice" format with Trump hosting, would seem interesting and relevant now. But in 2010, editing a 2008 RITY episode, you wouldnt include it because who cares about Donald Trump in 2010?


  • #95
    Billy86
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    OU812 wrote: »
    The latter ones (2000'd) aren't as good, I'm assuming different editors working on them.

    I think they should do it every year rather than ten
    I actually reckon doing it every year would make the problem you are talking about worse; the 2000s had less time for hindsight since they were made right after them, which leads to them seeming to have less 'direction'. Won't happen but someone else mentioned, it might be best to leave the 2010-19 ones until around 2030 to make.


  • #96
    OU812
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,095 ✭✭✭OU812


    Trump's version of the apprentice came first by several years, Even Martha Strwart had a version before Sir Alan.

    She was ever so polite, instead of "You're Fired", she'd stand up, walk them out, shake their hand and tell them "It was very nice to meet you"


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  • #97
    Billy86
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    riclad wrote: »
    you did not work as an intern for 50 euros.
    riclad wrote: »
    my first job was 50 euro per week,
    i don,t think i have rose coloured glasses .
    :p


  • #98
    Billy86
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    syklops wrote: »
    Spot on.

    A RITY from 2008 showing the US copying the BBCs "The Apprentice" format with Trump hosting, would seem interesting and relevant now. But in 2010, editing a 2008 RITY episode, you wouldnt include it because who cares about Donald Trump in 2010?
    Actually, the US version came first. My irrelevant, nitpicky point of the day is done now, and it's not even 10am! :D

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Apprentice_(U.S._TV_series)
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Apprentice_(UK_TV_series)


  • #99
    syklops
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,966 ✭✭✭✭syklops


    Billy86 wrote: »
    Actually, the US version came first. My irrelevant, nitpicky point of the day is done now, and it's not even 10am! :D

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Apprentice_(U.S._TV_series)
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Apprentice_(UK_TV_series)

    OK fair enough, but I think you understood my point anyway.


  • #100
    Billy86
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    syklops wrote: »
    OK fair enough, but I think you understood my point anyway.

    Ah yeah completely and I do agree, it's just one of those rare times the Brits copied the Yanks for TV so we might as well give them some credit. I was just being a pre-coffee pedant. :p


  • #101
    andekwarhola
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,641 ✭✭✭andekwarhola


    Been watching it again recently on RTE.

    What's great about it is the format: the music and footage take precedence.

    None of the usual retro show bollocks of getting Z List celebrities to reminisce about what they were doing in 1982 while you're trying not to boot in the fcuking screen in annoyance, waiting for decent archive footage.


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  • #102
    Capt'n Midnight
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 95,741 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    FizzleSticks wrote: »
    This post has been deleted.
    Especially the bit after Trump declares himself God-Emperor.


  • #103
    tylercheribini
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,016 ✭✭✭tylercheribini


    Ballinspittle, the blind hysteria is truly terrifying and it wasnt that long ago either.


  • #104
    Billy86
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    tylercheribini wrote: »
    Ballinspittle, the blind hysteria is truly terrifying and it wasnt that long ago either.

    Could be worse, could be leprechauns in the trees.


  • #105
    zl1whqvjs75cdy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,041 ✭✭✭zl1whqvjs75cdy


    tylercheribini wrote: »
    Ballinspittle, the blind hysteria is truly terrifying and it wasnt that long ago either.

    Makes me glad I didn't grow up in that version of Ireland. Seems like there was a lot more total nutters around.


  • #106
    Always number 1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,139 ✭✭✭Always number 1


    osarusan wrote: »
    I forget the year, but there is an episode which ends with a focus on emigration - loads of people waiting for buses and planes to the UK/USA, and the music is Mary Black singing 'As I leave behind Neidin'.

    It's really haunting stuff.

    That is one episode and piece of footage that really stuck with me. I was only 4 at the time so wouldn't have known much about it but it's sad to think 30 years later our young people are still leaving in droves - at least now with Skype/Facetime and more frequent/accessible transport options young people can get home for visits... I digress...
    Every time I hear Sound of Silence by Simon & Garfunkel I think of JFK assassination and when I hear Teardrop by Massive Attack I think of the Omagh bomb... A song, a memory, jesus I'm getting old and sentimental


  • #107
    Wigglepuppy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 397 ✭✭Wigglepuppy


    riclad wrote: »
    before the celtic tiger people drove cars 10-20 years old.
    I dunno... A 10-year-old/20-year-old car now would be in far better nick than a 10-year-old/20-year-old car would have been in 1996.
    Cars are better now. There was less money back then for sure, but cars were simply not roadworthy for as long as they tend to be now.


  • #108
    buried
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,980 ✭✭✭buried


    Always number 1 wrote: »
    That is one episode and piece of footage that really stuck with me. I was only 4 at the time so wouldn't have known much about it but it's sad to think 30 years later our young people are still leaving in droves - at least now with Skype/Facetime and more frequent/accessible transport options young people can get home for visits... I digress...
    Every time I hear Sound of Silence by Simon & Garfunkel I think of JFK assassination and when I hear Teardrop by Massive Attack I think of the Omagh bomb... A song, a memory, jesus I'm getting old and sentimental

    The clip of the aftermath of 9/11 in the 2001 episode with Radiohead's "Pyramid song" playing in the background is the one that does it for me. The month before hand that August 2001, I went to see Radiohead play Grant Park in Chicago. I remember them playing that song and looking at the skyscrapers behind the stage. Crazy.

    Bullet The Blue Shirts



  • #109
    ArmaniJeanss
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,928 ✭✭✭✭ArmaniJeanss


    rainbowtrout wrote: »
    It's not the editing, it's that they didn't wait long enough to make it. It was made in 2011 I think, and that's not enough time to see what events have a longterm impact.

    100% agreed and given that they'll be under pressure to make 2010-2019 in 2020 it's likely going to be the same problem going forward.

    One solution they should be open to is doing a re-edit, i.e, in 2020 as well as doing the new episodes they could redo say 2001 to include An Taoiseach Healy Rae at his first council meeting, footage of Annalise Murphy at the community games sailing and anything else which has with hindsight become relevant. Whether they cut to make room or add a few minutes on can be debated.

    Theres no rule that the RITY2001 already shown has to be the definitive and only edition of it and a new re-edited version also has some marketing potential.


  • #110
    uch
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,033 ✭✭✭uch


    I still shed a tear when they show the clip of Ray Houghton scoring against the auld enemy in Stuttgart, first time in me life I got nervous was watching that match.

    21/25



  • #111
    Always number 1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,139 ✭✭✭Always number 1


    buried wrote: »
    The clip of the aftermath of 9/11 in the 2001 episode with Radiohead's "Pyramid song" playing in the background is the one that does it for me. The month before hand that August 2001, I went to see Radiohead play Grant Park in Chicago. I remember them playing that song and looking at the skyscrapers behind the stage. Crazy.

    Slightly on topic here - tonight's episode finished with Paul Brady - The Island and I remember the Friday after 9/11 he was on the show and he sang it...

    Slightly off topic (the topic is now just a dot to me) but New York by Ryan Adams is one song that really gives me goosebumps - he filmed the video at (I think) Brooklyn Bridge (with the Twin Towers in the background) something like 2 or 3 days before 9/11


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  • #112
    tylercheribini
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,016 ✭✭✭tylercheribini


    Interesting and tragically funny, Father Ted- esque BBC piece on Ballinspittle

    The moving statue of Ballinspittle grotto (Irelan…: http://youtu.be/kZjM83wZmWw


  • #113
    LordSutch
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,069 ✭✭✭✭LordSutch


    Looking at that^ video and it could be something from the 1950s never mind the 1980s. Quite embarrassing & amazing carry on, almost like a mass form of hysteria?

    Cue Reeling in the years from this year (in twenty years time) with RTE looking back at 2016 with all the 1916 commemorations, the death of David Bowie, Brexit-Boris, goodbye Cameron hello May .... and then the Rio Olympics, with fantastic feats in track & field, Bolt, Phelps, sailing, swimming, dressage, hockey etc ....

    And the O.C.I Pat Hickey ticket scandal :((
    http://img.rasset.ie/000cb613-642.jpg


  • #114
    El_Duderino 09
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,204 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    When you see the scenes with refugees you know that the right thing to do is to open the border and let them in. In the moment we always find reasons not to do the right thing though.

    It's a really important show. Those who forget history are doomed to repeat it. Thus show gives the history and the context. It's brilliant. Well done RTE.


  • #115
    tylercheribini
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,016 ✭✭✭tylercheribini


    LordSutch wrote: »
    Looking at that^ video and it could be something from the 1950s never mind the 1980s. Quite embarrassing & amazing carry on, almost like a mass form of hysteria?http://img.rasset.ie/000cb613-642.jpg

    Dev and McQuaid set us back decades and we still arent out of the woods yet. When you consider the social upheaval that was taking place in America during the 60's compared to the religious extremist regime we were under at the same time we still have a good bit of catching up to do.


  • #116
    robbiezero
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,898 ✭✭✭robbiezero


    tylercheribini wrote: »
    Ballinspittle, the blind hysteria is truly terrifying and it wasnt that long ago either.

    Don't see what's terrifying about it. That's what that generations morons did. This generations morons have social media to keep them occupied.


  • #117
    eigrod
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,130 ✭✭✭eigrod


    robbiezero wrote: »
    Don't see what's terrifying about it. That's what that generations morons did. This generations morons have social media to keep them occupied.

    This generations morons have Danny Healy Rae. Plus ca change.


  • #118
    Kat1170
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,762 ✭✭✭Kat1170


    tylercheribini wrote: »
    Dev and McQuaid set us back decades and we still arent out of the woods yet. When you consider the social upheaval that was taking place in America during the 60's compared to the religious extremist regime we were under at the same time we still have a good bit of catching up to do.

    Yeah, because there is no religious extremism in America. :rolleyes:


  • #119
    robbiezero
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,898 ✭✭✭robbiezero


    tylercheribini wrote: »
    Dev and McQuaid set us back decades and we still arent out of the woods yet. When you consider the social upheaval that was taking place in America during the 60's compared to the religious extremist regime we were under at the same time we still have a good bit of catching up to do.

    Was Dev not elected in a democracy? The people voted for him.
    Also I don't believe the Catholic puts a gun to anyones head to follow their teachings.
    They gave the people what they wanted.


  • #120
    tylercheribini
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,016 ✭✭✭tylercheribini


    Kat1170 wrote: »
    Yeah, because there is no religious extremism in America. :rolleyes:

    Never said there wasnt, any religious extremism in U.S, read again. Religion never had a "special position" enshrined in U.S constitution like Dev did with the Church. Religion was the de facto government here for a time.


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  • #121
    tylercheribini
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,016 ✭✭✭tylercheribini


    robbiezero wrote: »
    Don't see what's terrifying about it. That's what that generations morons did. This generations morons have social media to keep them occupied.

    Says man commenting through social media. :)


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