London 2012 Daily Diary

locum-motion · 01-08-2012 3:36pm

Re: Discards:

I was quite surprised when I saw that the Olympic rules were one discard from 10-15 races.

At the level at which I sailed (ie club races where each of the 6 or so series per season was 2-3 races each weekend over 4 weeks) you usually had either 2 or three discards per series. On an 8-race series, you'd get 2 discards. On 12, you'd get 3. (if I recall correctly; haven't raced in a couple of years)

KevIRL · 01-08-2012 3:37pm

aidan18 wrote: »

any update on David McCann in the time trial

David McCann has finished in the cycling Individual Time Trial, and is currently fourth, 1:30.56 behind leader Lars Yting Bak of Denmark, who finished in 54:33.21.

locum-motion · 01-08-2012 3:41pm

gerire wrote: »

what were peoples opinions of Nevins entry into the ring, didnt notice it myself 1st time around probably because i had half an eye on here, but they both enter the ring at the same time. Nevin moves very fast accross the ring, turns his back to his opponent very close to him and wipes his feet in his corner.

To me it reminded me of a dog throwing dirt back up behind him, very disrespectful imo

Itts available on the eurovision site

I thought that was very 'unsportsmanlike' behaviour.

Speak Now · 01-08-2012 3:42pm

aidan18 wrote: »

any update on David McCann in the time trial

Finished about 2 minutes behind the current leader. Will be well down the field.

Pisco Sour · 01-08-2012 3:42pm

locum-motion wrote: »

If she gets good strong winds in the remaining 3 race days, and wins Gold, are you gonna say "Arra, sure, give it back. She only won because conditions suited her. She wasn't the best sailor in the competition."?
Or would you cheer and clap and be delighted like the rest of the country?

Of course I'll be delighted. Just seems a bit weird that so many people are so obsessed with the weather. To win gold you'd imagine she'd need to be strong in all conditions and to depend on the weather wouldn't exactly be reliable tactics. You'd imagine that the gold medalist will end up being the best all rounder who can deal with all conditions because over the space of 7 days the weather is not going to stay the same. I'm no expert at all so correct me if I'm wrong.

locum-motion · 01-08-2012 3:48pm

Great to see all the finalists in the K-1 Slalom congratulating, commiserating and hugging each other. The commentator said something before about there being a real cameraderie between the top guys, and he was right
Now that's how to be a real sportsman. JJ Nevin should take note.

VinLieger · 01-08-2012 3:54pm

Pisco Sour wrote: »

Of course I'll be delighted. Just seems a bit weird that so many people are so obsessed with the weather. To win gold you'd imagine she'd need to be strong in all conditions and to depend on the weather wouldn't exactly be reliable tactics. You'd imagine that the gold medalist will end up being the best all rounder who can deal with all conditions because over the space of 7 days the weather is not going to stay the same. I'm no expert at all so correct me if I'm wrong.

Well you kind of are wrong, some sailors are better than others at different aspects of the sport, just like every other sport out there.
Also a 7 day regatta means nothing you could have the wind blow pretty consistently from the same direction for 7 days no problem, or it could end up being shocking and the boats drift around with no wind for 7 days.

Sailing is not something you can consistently predict

locum-motion · 01-08-2012 3:57pm

Pisco Sour wrote: »

Of course I'll be delighted...

Glad to hear it!

Pisco Sour wrote: »

... Just seems a bit weird that so many people are so obsessed with the weather...

More so than any other sport in the world, sailing and performance therein is completely dependant on the weather (The closest parallel I can think of is the fact that some racehorses have great stamina and do well when it's been raining and the going is very heavy, while others do better when it's been dry and the going is good).

Personally, I'm a fairly big guy, and the guy that owns the other half of my boat isn't much smaller. Together we weigh about 28-29 stone. I'm fairly sure that we never ever won a race where the wind wasn't blowing strongly. In lighter winds, we would (barring mishaps or mistakes) usually finish behind crews that weighed <25 stone or so.

Does that take away from my achievement on those occasions when I did win a race or series?

Speak Now · 01-08-2012 3:58pm

Looks like gold Wiggins, silver Martin and bronze Froome in the TT.

VinLieger · 01-08-2012 4:01pm

locum-motion wrote: »

More so than any other sport in the world, sailing and performance therein is completely dependant on the weather (The closest parallel I can think of is the fact that some racehorses have great stamina and do well when it's been raining and the going is very heavy, while others do better when it's been dry and the going is good).

Exactly, when your going sailing the first thing you do when you get up is look out the window at the weather because it will dictate everything about the racing to come that day

rebel girl 15 · 01-08-2012 4:29pm

Badminton - disqualifications stand. Indonesia withdrew their appeal, other appeals were rejected

KevIRL · 01-08-2012 4:30pm

David leads Glioath

Bagdatis 1 set up v Murray

F-Stop · 01-08-2012 4:38pm

KevIRL wrote: »

David leads Glioath

Bagdatis 1 set up v Murray

Murray 3 games to 2 first set on my TV. (BBC)

KevIRL · 01-08-2012 4:42pm

F-Stop wrote: »

Murray 3 games to 2 first set on my TV. (BBC)

misread the update I got, he lost the first game not the first set.

DOH

F-Stop · 01-08-2012 4:43pm

I was wondering if you were from the future, because it's looking like it might go that way.

desaparecidos · 01-08-2012 4:45pm

gerire wrote: »

what were peoples opinions of Nevins entry into the ring, didnt notice it myself 1st time around probably because i had half an eye on here, but they both enter the ring at the same time. Nevin moves very fast accross the ring, turns his back to his opponent very close to him and wipes his feet in his corner.

To me it reminded me of a dog throwing dirt back up behind him, very disrespectful imo

Itts available on the eurovision site

I can't find it on that site http://www.eurovision.tv

I saw it live though, he did it in the previous round so probably does it every match. I couldn't are less what he does as long as he wins.

KevIRL · 01-08-2012 4:48pm

F-Stop wrote: »

I was wondering if you were from the future, because it's looking like it might go that way.

Just got back as it happens

rebel girl 15 · 01-08-2012 4:49pm

He did it in his first fight as well - I thought the same tbh, disrespectful

calex71 · 01-08-2012 4:49pm

Just flicked on to the gymnastics on RTé, pleasantly surprised to hear Colm Murrays voice.

rebel girl 15 · 01-08-2012 5:11pm

calex71 wrote: »

Just flicked on to the gymnastics on RTé, pleasantly surprised to hear Colm Murrays voice.

I'm watching it on BBC - but thanks for posting that, delighted that he is on duty for the Olympics!

TICKLE_ME_ELMO · 01-08-2012 5:22pm

Orozco failed badly on the pommel. Only the second apparatus for him but it was so bad he's pretty much out of the running. Sat down on his vault in the team finals too. Having an absolute mare.

locum-motion · 01-08-2012 5:34pm

Something I don't understand about the Gymnastics, perhaps someone can enlighten me:

Kieran Behan qualified to take part in the Men's Individual All-Around competition, didn't he?
Now, I know he had a 'mare in the Qualification phase on the Floor, but why did that mean that he was out at that point?
Surely he should have had a chance to catch up on Vault, Rings, Parallel Bars etc, shouldn't he?
What's the point in being in an "All-Around" competition if you don't even get an opportunity to show what you can do on all the apparatus?

Cardinal Richelieu · 01-08-2012 5:38pm

calex71 wrote: »

Just flicked on to the gymnastics on RTé, pleasantly surprised to hear Colm Murrays voice.

It's a different Colm Murray, it is Colm Murray the gymnastics judge.

Mr. Guappa · 01-08-2012 5:47pm

How come there are no Chinese in the gymnastics today? Didn't they win the team? I'd have thought two of them would be in this.

locum-motion · 01-08-2012 5:49pm

Cardinal Richelieu wrote: »

It's a different Colm Murray, it is Colm Murray the gymnastics judge.

The voice is different, but there are similarities, so I can see how one might have thought it was the same Colm Murray. However, I've never heard Murray talk about ANY other sport other than horse racing. It's like as if other sports don't exist to him. I don't know what the fuss is about him, anyway. I mean, I'm sorry the guy is sick and all, and I wouldn't wish MND on my worst enemy, but it's always baffled me why people talk about him as if the sun shines out of his ar5e. To me he's nothing but a whole load of hackneyed clichés (every Irish horse in Cheltenham is described as "the Irish raider", for example).

rebel girl 15 · 01-08-2012 6:00pm

locum-motion wrote: »

Something I don't understand about the Gymnastics, perhaps someone can enlighten me:

Kieran Behan qualified to take part in the Men's Individual All-Around competition, didn't he?
Now, I know he had a 'mare in the Qualification phase on the Floor, but why did that mean that he was out at that point?
Surely he should have had a chance to catch up on Vault, Rings, Parallel Bars etc, shouldn't he?
What's the point in being in an "All-Around" competition if you don't even get an opportunity to show what you can do on all the apparatus?

I think a number of gymnasts prefer to specialise in one piece of apparatus over another due to the huge amount of talent and work that goes into being competitive on all apparatus. Some gymnasts go for the all round title, with more favouring one or two pieces of apparatus, simply because it is the top 8 in the qualification that go through to the final of each piece. The competition is divided up into all round, as well individual competitions in each piece of apparatus, which will come later in the week

locum-motion · 01-08-2012 6:14pm

rebel girl 15 wrote: »

I think a number of gymnasts prefer to specialise in one piece of apparatus over another due to the huge amount of talent and work that goes into being competitive on all apparatus. Some gymnasts go for the all round title, with more favouring one or two pieces of apparatus, simply because it is the top 8 in the qualification that go through to the final of each piece. The competition is divided up into all round, as well individual competitions in each piece of apparatus, which will come later in the week

I'm not sure if I'm misreading or misunderstanding or what, but I think the question you've answered (Thanks, BTW) is a different one to the one I asked.
If Behan was in the All Around competition (the final of which is on now) rather than a single-apparatus competition, why did he only get to go on one apparatus?

rebel girl 15 · 01-08-2012 6:17pm

locum-motion wrote: »

I'm not sure if I'm misreading or misunderstanding or what, but I think the question you've answered (Thanks, BTW) is a different one to the one I asked.
If Behan was in the All Around competition (the final of which is on now) rather than a single-apparatus competition, why did he only get to go on one apparatus?

He went on three, the floor, which is his speciality, the vault and the high bar. All round competition qualification is what is used to qualify gymnasts for the single apparatus finals. The qualification that was on Saturday was actually used for all gymnastic finals, team events, all round individual and individual apparatus events

TICKLE_ME_ELMO · 01-08-2012 6:22pm

locum-motion wrote: »

I'm not sure if I'm misreading or misunderstanding or what, but I think the question you've answered (Thanks, BTW) is a different one to the one I asked.
If Behan was in the All Around competition (the final of which is on now) rather than a single-apparatus competition, why did he only get to go on one apparatus?

The first set of gymnastics that were on, the ones we say Kieran in, were the qualifiers for the final of the team and all around events. As Kieran was the only Irish guy he obviously couldn't qualify for team finals.
He was eligible to compete on all the apparatus to try to qualify for either the All Around final, or the individual apparatus finals. However, as he was carrying a shoulder and ankle injury he opted to only do floor (his speciality) and he also did the vault, but they didn't show that on the telly. I think he sat down on his landing or something on that so it wasn't great for him.

rebel girl 15 · 01-08-2012 6:36pm

Yeah, he did sit down on the vault, dunno did he actually compete in the horizontal bar after all, one report says yes,

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