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Wear a burqa - face a €750 fine

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    #32
    Nodin
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    Piste wrote: »
    I bought a balaclava recently, it's the most non-threatening item of clothing ever. It's woollen knitted in different stripy colours with a giant pom-pom on top. I look like the gayest burglar ever.

    ...your victims find their furniture tastefully rearranged and a quiche in the oven?


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    #33
    Exon
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    No it's not a bit extreme, it's Christian Europe!

    Wear a burka face execution would be more like it.


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    #34
    wes
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    So the logic behind is that there Husbands make them wear the Burqa (with no allowances that some may very well wear it out of there own free will), so instead the government is going tell them what they can't wear instead. I fail to see much in a way of a difference.


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    #35
    stovelid
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    Nodin wrote: »
    'If I get punched by a man in a track suit, I should punch every man in a track suit I see'

    Great stuff.

    Not sure that's the point being made.

    If you have to abide by the edicts of the religious country when there, then why not likewise abide by the laws of a secular country?

    I'm undecided about the banning myself, but I assume that is the (not unreasonable) point that's been made.


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    #36
    Kipperhell
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    CrazyRabbit wrote: »
    1. The Burka is a traditional dress, not a religious one.
    2. Most Islamic women who wear a Burka do so by their own free will. It's not just the men who choose to follow tradition!
    3. Non believers are not required to wear a Burka when visiting Islamic countries. You are however expected to dress fairly conservatively. This applies to men and women.
    4. The proposed French law does seem to target people from specific ethnic backgrounds and is therefore immoral. It also fails to protect a womans right to choose to wear the Burka if she wants to.
    5. There are security concerns with people concealing their face etc, and any potential legislation should just focus on that rather than singling out specific types of clothing.

    Did you read the article and the proposal? It specifically doesn't target an ethnic group. The right to cover your face is at odds with safety and as such isn't really a right that anybody has. Many religious teachings are not allowable in societies.

    Female friends working in Islamic countries were told they had to wear the Burka when outside the offices. Tv presenters showed similar but maybe it isn't a legal requirement either way people don't have a choice in some countries. It certainly now has religious links whether traditional clothing or not.

    Don't get why you would try to deny what is a reality.


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    #37
    Sheeps
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    Maybe it's the stealthy first step of a plan to remove Muslims from France all together.

    If they can ban hoodies from shopping centers, they should have legislation in place to protect the owners of shopping centers also banning people with Burkas.


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    #38
    SV
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    Proper order tbh


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    #39
    Sheeps
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    What I find scary about the Burkas is that you could be walking along side a girl in a Burka and she might be really hot, and you would never know. Infact, Burkas should probably be compulsory for fatties and ugly people.


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    #40
    Cookie_Monster
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    SV wrote: »
    Proper order tbh

    +1


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    #41
    Cookie_Monster
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    Sheeps wrote: »
    What I find scary about the Burkas is that you could be walking along side a girl in a Burka and she might be really hot about to blow herself up, and you would never know.

    FYP ;)


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    #42
    mike65
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    France has about 3.5 million muslims, this sounds like a revenue raising excerise.


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    #43
    Cookie_Monster
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    mike65 wrote: »
    France has about 3.5 million muslims, this sounds like a revenue raising excerise.

    ~half women * At least 1 fine each = €1.3bn

    Nice revenue source, we should try it


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    #44
    Dyr
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    Oppressing people for their religious beliefs? Where do those French think they are? Saudi Arabia? Kuwait? Iran? :eek:


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    #45
    fitz0
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    tudlytops wrote: »
    Well if I travel to most Islamic countries as a women I am required to wear an Islamic veil regardless of my believes, so why shouldn't they have to take it off when coming to our countries?

    Because Islam is the true religion and us heathens that don't accept it are lower than dogs and should be put to the sword?


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    #46
    Agricola
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    fitz0 wrote: »
    Because Islam is the true religion and us heathens that don't accept it are lower than dogs and should be put to the sword?

    Theres more than a sliver of truth to this i think.
    The French are right to be honest. Whatever about it being Christian Europe, its fast becoming secular Europe. When we go to their country / region, we are expected to adhere to their rules, so when they come to ours, the same principle should apply.


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    #47
    Heroditas
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    unkel wrote: »
    That said, there is a woman living my housing estate in Lucan who wears a burqa while driving a car. A case for careless / dangerous driving?


    I don't think removing the burqa will improve the careless/dangerous driving.


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    #48
    Mr. Presentable
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    unkel wrote: »
    Draft legislation in France

    Article

    Exerpt:



    A bit extreme, isn't it? Freedom of expression and all that?

    That said, there is a woman living my housing estate in Lucan who wears a burqa while driving a car. A case for careless / dangerous driving?

    Not extreme. They should adhere to the customs in their country of residence, like how you would be prosecuted in Oman for consuming alcohol, or Saudi for banging your mate's wife.


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    #49
    truecrippler
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    We can't do this no more? :(


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    #50
    iguana
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    Kipperhell wrote: »
    Female friends working in Islamic countries were told they had to wear the Burka when outside the offices.

    Unless they are living in very specific regions I doubt they were told to wear a burqa. They probably have to wear a hijab which is completely different.

    Burqa. Hijab.


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    #51
    antodeco
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    Senna wrote: »
    Those crazy frogs and their mad ideas, what ever will they get up to next.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k85mRPqvMbE


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    #52
    jimmycrackcorm
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    Heroditas wrote: »
    I don't think removing the burqa will improve the careless/dangerous driving.

    True - it's still a woman driver underneath.


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    #53
    CrazyRabbit
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    General Zod wrote: »
    nope. There's no prohibition on having your face covered anywhere public.

    Yup, but try walking into a store with a motorcycle helmet on and you quickly see how welcome you are. :D


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    #54
    Mike 1972
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    Nowhere in the Qur'an does it state that a woman must wear one.

    What has that got to anything ?

    Nowhere in the antenna designers handbook does it specify I have to wear any clothes at all (other than a hard hat and safety boots when working at heights).
    CrazyRabbit wrote: »
    Yup, but try walking into a store with a motorcycle helmet on and you quickly see how welcome you are. :D
    Doesnt stop anyone from weatring one in the street though. Cant you tell the difference ?
    Agricola wrote: »
    its fast becoming secular Europe. When we go to their country / region, we are expected to adhere to their rules
    Nothing secular about making laws about how an individual is allowed to dress.
    Kipperhell wrote: »
    Female friends working in Islamic countries were told they had to wear the Burka when outside the offices. Tv presenters showed similar but maybe it isn't a legal requirement .
    I have access to television channels from over a dozen predominantly Islamic countries and have yet to see a presnter wearing a Burka.
    tudlytops wrote: »
    Well if I travel to most Islamic countries as a women I am required to wear an Islamic veil regardless of my believes, so why shouldn't they have to take it off when coming to our countries?
    Because as a country we like to kid ourselves we are more progressive than some backwater theocratic shytehole ?
    mike65 wrote: »
    France has about 3.5 million muslims, this sounds like a revenue raising excerise.
    More like an incitment to widespread public disorder/terrorism


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    #55
    monkeypants
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    CrazyRabbit wrote: »
    Yup, but try walking into a store with a motorcycle helmet on and you quickly see how welcome you are. :D
    My Da does that all the time and refuses to take it off if it's raining. Makes quite a fuss about it if queried. But then again, he's 68 and giving out about "nowadays" is what older folks do.


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    #56
    WindSock
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    I don't like the 'if we were in their country we would have to wear one' argument. Surely that is what makes our country better?

    In saying that though, I think forcing anyone to wear or to not wear an item of clothing is stupid. If these Burqha wearing women were forced by their families to wear them, then they most likely will be forced to not go out in public with their 'rapeable' faces again.


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    #57
    Mike 1972
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    WindSock wrote: »
    If these Burqha wearing women were forced by their families to wear them.

    In France if the women are adults and not being held against their will then their family cannot force them to do anything ?


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    #58
    Morlar
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    WindSock wrote: »
    most likely will be forced to not go out in public with their 'rapeable' faces again.

    Does this mean the govt should back down anytime anyone threatens to do something illegal if they don't get their way ? If muslim families are imprisoning their daughters/mothers/sisters they should be prosecuted vigorously. Saying we can't ban burkas because some neanderthal might imprison female family members is retarded.


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    #59
    techdiver
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    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/dubai/6949008/British-woman-arrested-in-Dubai-after-being-raped.html

    as alluded to in - http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055791867

    Of course the excuse for this is that it was a Muslim country, so now the shoe is on the other foot. Fair play France.


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    #60
    wes
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    techdiver wrote: »
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/dubai/6949008/British-woman-arrested-in-Dubai-after-being-raped.html

    as alluded to in - http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055791867

    Of course the excuse for this is that it was a Muslim country, so now the shoe is on the other foot. Fair play France.

    So we should be more like Dubai then?


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    #61
    WindSock
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    Mike 1972 wrote: »
    In France if the women are adults and not being held against their will then their family cannot force them to do anything ?

    Of course they can be prosecuted if taken to court. However when a person is under control in a domestically abusive situation, most of the time they won't take action out of fear, and or not realising what is happening to them is wrong.
    Morlar wrote: »
    Saying we can't ban burkas because some neanderthal might imprison female family members is retarded.

    Well, I didn't say that it can't be banned because imprisonment might happen. I just said that it might happen. If a person can control what another wears, they can just as easily control and manipulate any other aspect of their lives.


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