Cork GAA Discussion Thread

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

Terry dillion ,is the player ,clonakily man played rubgy highfield,like shea fahy and the rock also in the past


Few games under tomkins

Father was kevin ,a kerryman that played for cork

Kevin Dillon would be from my part of the world TTM, was meant to be a fantastic footballer. Little piece on him here in case anyone's interested.

http://www.hoganstand.com/Cork/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=119404

The rock will have a job picking a squad out of the players on view in Limerick. Some of the A players are simply not good enough its easy to talk about the talent thats there the likes of young gunning and a few others but this A squad was inherited from last year and is in my opinion badly put together. but some of the so called B players should be pushing for places on the A squad. The likes of Ahern and Harrington both just 15 and playing major roles for their respective clubs at minor level should be given considerstion. Both posses strenght and ability not often seen in kids of their age. This should be nurtured as cork teams are full of nice wristy hurlers but lack real power. Any one watching the recent interdivisional blitz over easter would have seen the two lads playing for Seandun where they gave exhibitions. Harrigtons free taking and alround play was super while his teammate's power and interplay would put many senior players to shame

A lot I agree with,some I take issue with
That u16 team is well coached ,and is team that has a huge chance in september.

Around 9 that team could be minors and will be.
Paddy sheehan and Darragh Guiney at the full back,Murphy blarney,Niall o leary ,and then Tadhg Deasy ,Tristan o leary ,and daniel gunning then ,Cashman at full forward
And yes aherne and harrington I mentioned must be on it .


They beat limerick 4 weeks ago march 29th,they had a few out,cork had also ,looney,smith ,mcdonnell-tracey ,beausang and garan manley were with midelton in u16 all ireland


They with a full strengtH team would rattle arrabawn tournament .
guiney is some talent at corner back for newtown ,but half back is where he plays at club ,he be a huge part Charville dean ryan cup team next year , and with newtown minors with tim o mahony at half back beside him.A great temparment ,down to earth .


Harrington is great talent as you say would and I said it put some seniors cork midfielders candiates to shame.This passage man(great great club,)has drive,hunger and steel ,and mixes it and isnt afraid rough hurling,what hands he has ,lad has hurling left and right side.He will be mark my words ,minor next year,panel.Wont start as butty mac,be starting but christ what a paternship we have if he did


Both real,hard ,gritty,lots of hurling in them.Hurlers but warriors inside.Two great talents I have huge faith in .

Harrington was awesome ,team got beat,b team .A limerick selector told me after,hugely taken by hes display.

Aherne is a fine talent .Strong and works hard,great on a beaten b team.Hes living in mallow I believe but going to Ag mhuhre.People are na piarsaigh,but moved to the mallow aera,like Glen kennifick a glen man living in kilshannig.A fine talent,unlucky with injury.Unlucky not be on football or hurling panel in the minor.Was with both,but for injury would made it imo.


Adam o sullivan that club,a tough ,talen ed hurler also that could make the starting team.

Rock is a good coach and doing good with them.


I wouldnt judge lads soley on easter camp today ,or during week as ,that is just against cork lads .Real real intensity is next wknd mallow and in tipp I think when the 16 and 17 a and b plays in inter divisonal intercounty comp against west clare ,north tipp etc.i go to the a or b games .
That u16 team is a fine team ,and 9 aprox limerck lads cork a beat ,beat clare u16 last week .Thats how good our lads are .


I agree we need physical hurlers,but musnt comprimse on the skill level .

We have a great blend of both here and at minor .

Gary Neville wrote: »

I'd heard that Ray Carey wouldn't be up to IC anymore. Hard to know who will play in the corner Tom Clancy/Galvin/Jamie.

Interesting to hear about the inexperience showing at the training camp. We'll have a month to prepare for the Tipp game and that should be enough time but the dual players might miss some of it.

Good to hear that Paudie Kissane is doing well with Clare - hopefully we'll see him involved with Cork before too long.

He's still flying fit himself, played against Clyda a few weeks back - they're playing some good stuff - smart football moreso.

You'd imagine the management on the line have their tactics in order and Paudie would have a bearing on how they're training re: fitness as their conditioning seemed very good when we played them.

fair comment thinks too much, I still feel that the overall picture could be better. The team this year will be better coached no doubt. Last year selections were difficult, Yes there is great talent there it just need to be brought through now. Looking forward to the year in prospect.

TTM, its terry Dillon your talking about, played centre for highfield when they were doing well in the AIL back when it started, very strong a fine player but off the pace for senior inter county. Is he coaching clon in rugby now?
As for noel galvin, how are fellas doubting him over who exactly???? who has done better then galvin in the full back line over the league? bar shields, cadogan hasn't got games, osullvian has been ok, Clancy is out of position. Galvin will do fine and I expect him to push hard for corner back.
Don't worry about dineens cows ffs lads, he is old and mature enough to have made a decision to come into the set up and have things ok back home, he is well worth his place and his toughness is required in what is essentially a 'nice' team, especially gould and walsh at midfield neither of whom would be in any way physical despite being huge men.
As for barry o driscoll, has done very well when selected and typtified vs Kerry when himself and colm o driscoll cleaned up on broken ball and we know what happened vs Dublin when they were replaced by donncha and goulding!!!
Cork are essentially playing 2 inside men, the third man plays in the half forward line with Collins dropping further back. It is this mans job to win breaking ball and link midfield/half back line with the inside line, barry is well capable of doing this as like all nemo footballers he is intelligent.
Its why he is under NO pressure from dan maceoin as dan is an out in out target man inside and will have a say on this championship yet.
Surprised with Crowley being brought straight in think he is one of these wing backs who soloes first and as a young player he will run into trouble at this level doing this.
Cadogan will see very little time with the hurlers this year and including him in the 'development' panel is only a smokescreen, he has committed to the hurlers first and fair enough, bad enough having 3 dual players but having more would be an even bigger joke, walsh and cadogan have been hampered by injuries since februaury at this stage

Internet shocking charville post pic progamme later


Nash,sul,eoin kean,burke,

Ellis,egan cahalane
Walsh lawton

Oshea,cian-cooper

Moylan,bud,alan 2d


Limerk

Quaid,walsh,rich.e,condon
O brien,wayne,gav o . Mah

Browne ,tom ryan

Allis,dodge,reidy
Mulchay,downes,tobin

H time. 2-9 limerick to 1-11
Bud some frees,ellis,walsh and cian mac


Nash goal

Aidan walsh awesome game winning lots ball at h forward

Ghrame mul 2-3 frrom play Had 3 goal but for awesome save point blank save

Cahalane great game and great poin

Downes 3rd goal


Report later match
and if I can upload photas if internet is okay later

Nash 2nd penalty


Cork to 2-18 3-14 5 left

Wexford in knowlan park next saturday then a game in portaloise v dublin are next up

My aplogies if there was a lot short hand updates and grammar etc,bv it was pouring rain ,blowing in to the stand,and bitterly cold


Will have report later be late though,

Thanks for the updates.

Happy to hear Walsh did well. Appears a good result on the face of it.

Cork team was changed from the programme even the subs

Limerick had one change

Cork had nash,sulliujan,keane,burke
Ellis,egan(shane o neill replace him )
Cahalane was down as 7,was cormac murphy who was lad got two great pointr,damien came on
O shea,lawton

cian,cooper,and walsh
Moylan,bud,and cads

Subs as programme

Mccarthy
Mcdonnell
Kearney
Lehane
Bud
Harnedy
Joyce
O neill
Cahalane

As I said above team lined out differently
Murphy wasnt in programme started
Mcdonnell,harndy,lehane were nt there



Cold and dry but then heavy rain and greasy ,and average crowd.Stand was full.
Temp was 12o c,slight south westerly wind.
Tame atmosphere as in very jovial as you expect these games

Great nick was the ptich and programmes werent 100 per cent but they were free


Limerick were up 1-4 to 3 after ten minutes then nash penalty we got going.

Im a huge fan of keane ,said had get a chance and at 3.Im man enough and honest to call a spade a spade ,he was awful tonight,in a slow physicak game,wet ground,against team wanted physicalty ,he should thrived.
He was poor,fumbled lot high balls and beaten easily be he man ,mulchay then downes and caught way out of position .At fault for all 3 goals,imo

He was poor,and I mean bad.Hes strengths like ,high ball,was even poor .He had zero cofidence and thurles 3 wks ago,when he was at 5 has really drained it .
He wont start in may.We have real problems at 3.Shouldnt been at 5 in league .He was a pale shadow lad I saw past.Cant start in may.

Nash-two great penalties ,great stuff begrudgers,by that talent again.
Was at fault for downes goal,when downes batted it past him,like steffan edberg 1988 wimbledon at the net ,against becker .He went for the pile driver,i expected it,nash did,we both decieved by easy tap in .
Couldnt have chance two mulchay goalrs.
Great two saves in match,a pile driver point blank mulchay a point up.

Conor sul,struggled at times,however just back injury ,grew in to it.

Burke,was in dire troble v muchay.Couldnt handle him .
Murphy shouldnt be dropped.burke is potential do.

Ellis-aint a fan,had a good game though,loved the phyiscality ,had a good game,but allis ,suited him in a wet ptich.
Dowling would cause him problems and allis dry ptich.great point.
I remain to be convinced .

Just back from injury,good game .


O neill had solid game,but dodge lorded high ball ,and same reason shane isnt a 3 is same at 6.
Cormac murphy,superb game.2nd game 4 days saw lad ,superb.
Two great points.
However reidy isnt that great.
Still great game.Midfield maybee.
O shea -great game ,worked hard ,and ran a lot ,solid

Lawton-fan always,said other day didnt do it league games and looked way of player he was

Tonight was magnifcent.Showed a real appettie,and hunger of and on the ball.
Got 3 great points at crucial times need greatest .
Had super touch and loved midfield.
Shows that hunger in every game may be option,has hurling

Cian-good frees,same old display.
Won lot early ball ,and then faded ,then came in to it.Again limited,in movement swall ptich and heavy going,he still at times of the pace.


COoper.Won lot ball of wayne mac,had real hunger,worked hard,had a bit cut ,and never gave inch wayne mac.Raw and a work in progress,twice broke two tackles but penalised for over playing it and had few wides.

However missed year hurling,and also lost a bit due to rubgy,late developer but has potential.
Perist with lad,as he works and brave,just sharpen up hurling

Walsh -green helmet wasnt why he was noticeable.He was awesome.He has clearly spent lot time hurling than football,as football ,edge is gone,but hurling is touch was greasy sliothar like a magnet .He was superb,roasted o brien then mahony ,under aerial ball ,had huge work rate,two great points play .

He ran at limerick time and again ,and got a great goal,tight angle,and superb side line cut as good u21 2011
What power ,athlesticm .Should,always said,only dual star ,both codes that is starter .Its tough but may do it.Breathtaking display and I would think on that game management vfry happy with him ,murphy and lawton in particular


Moylan-busy ,condon kept him in toe,however stuck at it

Bud-okay ,and got few points,thinj frees,however not standout .
Clean in on goal and a very bad fresh air ground swipe.
Imo,not at this level

Cadogan kept busy,lovely poinst-fouled for a penalty,created a lot real talent and pace.
Hurling is hes prirorty so should be fine this year.
He would be superb in thurles or croker



A good win with so many out.We had a great touch ,and intensity that we hadnt l year.And what we do we do well.

Lorchan wasnt on the programme .came on for o neill,had a great game,at 6 in the last 15 .He was great covering.

Limerick unlike in feb,however played an orthdox game 15 v 15 hit ball after down on our backs ,and we were alert to it.Limerick were so predictable.Had around 20 wides so players got to take responbilty.


Tipp play maher as a sweeper ,and they have much bigger probs that tonight.
Cork cant get carried away ,as we wont met as naive manager as tj again,and most teams play a sweeper ,test us .


I expected limerick to win ,as stronger team ,and expected a rection from them.They were flat ,and looked a team that had no energy.And I didnt expect it with full strength side close to it tonight.
They have real problems going forward.


Talent is there but they blew away any chance,with o grady gone.
1973 style in even a challenge game wasnt much good to them.
We have serious worries at 3,and midfield ,but ,o shea,and lawton and murphy are options


Two game next two weeks,two neutral venues apparatently as want big test and opponents want the same.
Wexford sat knowlan park kilkenny and dubs week after portlaoise

horse thats no bother buddy,i said I would do updates ,im always true to my word.Only two happy to help .
Non opertatimal,no bother lad any time ,yeah postives in certain aeras .awful night.
We will get a better test against wexford though.


Limerick

Quaid,walsh,riche,condon(king as injured)
O brien ,wayne mac,gavin o mahony
Browne,tom ryan
James ryan didnt start,allis did
Dodge,
Reidy
Muclchay
Downes
Tobin

Hannon,hickey ,o loughlin(brother is with minors,and played harty with chareville, got game,hannon two great points

The subs they had per programme(not 100 per cent)

Hennesy
King
O loughlin
Morrisey
Allis
Hickey
Fitzgibbon
O. brien
Quaid hannon


Apolgies wrong info re cahalane etc but programme was wrong


Limerick best men ,riche ,condon,wayne at time,dodge ,and hannone,ghraeme mul .


Dodge great time for however should got the line by james owens ,as nash had got penalty,minding hes own buisness ,running up ,and dodge blatanty hit him of the ball.
People go bout nash being a danger in penaltes ,how ridaclous in truth.

What dangerous is players now target the lad of the ball.But there wont be a whisper .

Yeah sean thanks man got it last night.A very hard,tough player but lacked the quailty for intercounty.
Had heart and guts though.
Tremendous attuide for the game.
Played out half for Highfield.A solid 12 wasnt it ,and did he play outhalf also and a good ball carrier.
I always felt he would have been a great 8 sean in the back row.Savage leg power .

Coaching clon now as far as im aware.Father kevin a fine player,fine player.A kerry man orignally ,family played with kerry .
Speaking of Clon,i would like if anyone can confirm ,but is that Barry O Donovan ,ex player them ,minor with cork around 15 years ago , the same sports journalist with the Eveining Echo??
Im not sure if it is ,i think it is.
A fine journalist, writes,articultae articles,lad knows he's stuff .Great reading.


If Terry Dillon had the finese and talent of Newmarkets Mark O Sullivan,lovely player,super feet,lacked heart and temparament big games ,great golfer also,would be sum player and vice versa ,he had terrys tough and resilent,what a player we would have had.The best club player of hes time,like hayes and masters lacking that work ethic to do it in the Big games,like the great,i mean really great players.



Dualism is here to stay as you said here weeks ago Sean.Anyone saying otherwise,is way of the mark.
See way both panels were named,and not a word regards dualism.
I wouldnt be so sure ,its a non definete next year either.

Crowley be fine Sean ,he just needs coaching and ciaran sullivan a half back is up to it what I saw the weekend .Hes good in the coaching.Crowley Sean,honest to God ,i have seen enough lad,is going to be Great ,once hes developed.U21 next two years,he is going to be better and better.He had a great 2nd half last week.Looks shy and quite,on the field never takes a step back ,he is the ultimate warrior.Imo ,be as great Ciaran Sullivan .

Off the field ,very like Harnedy,unassuming,and shy.
On it,a real real competitor with Natural talents .If talent was a tear drop,he would be the ocean.Thats how much I rate the lad.Seen loads lad playing down the years.No fear there Seam,imo.


We must get more ruthless also in all aeras on and of the field imo.
Other counties make it clear ,even in there training ,there world ,and they set the statement .Nothing is comprised.They make the rest comprimse to there Standards.Its the same with dualism,were comprimising our standards.
Limerick shared a ptich last year with the minors.
Again ,would Clare ,kk,Kerry,Dublin do it ??

Davy wouldnt share a ptich with anyone ,espiceally when they pay to use it. Again people may say,ah I wouldnt worry bout it.However the best worry about everything,its like a compulisve obbession to winning,and great to have,cody,davy,keane,fr bertie troy ,jbm ,harte,AP MCCOY,Ruby Walsh,Katie Taylor,Eammon Ryan all had that quailty.Davy doesnt comprimse to anyone,makes othes do.

Lit v ul ,fitzgibbon cup,he made he team train at ul end ptich,made hosts feel uncomfortable before game even started.Lit wouldnt go in to dressing room.Parked bus on plassey road,lads ran in over hedge,through bushes and briers ,saying we make our own way ,we go our route not the route you want us to take.Again a statement of intent.Games are won and lost in those moments.Epic,epic defining moments,before the game had begun.
Like him or him not,i underestand the man for it,martin johnson ,the president snub in landsowne road.

I see why he had to do it,as he had a statement for intent ,hes team laying down a marker .
You must have that mentailty.After it,ex irish rubgy lads said had no anomisty towards johno.
He done what he had to as captain.He insipired others to be great.Thats what Real Real leaders do .


Donnacha be fine ,again is a warrior,ideal to slow the game down .There is times play a tempo game,times when like Munster v toluse 2008,you kill it in a game and play down the clock.Dublin thirve of momentum.Doc should stayed on ,to negate that .

Noel Galvin ,i totally agree,was one man show here for months saying he had it and better than mcloughlin ..He needs a clear run of injuries.He is fine .Tough and abrasive ,just what I want against kerry.


Colm o driscoll,one swallow never made a summer.Kerry wasnt game to judge lads totally.lets wait and see ,in more games.
Brian is much better imo ,and was good last week.

I agree Sean,as you saidNemo,always had intelligent players,and a city arrogance and cockiness you must have with a balance of course.


Barry o driscoll ,is potentially up to it ,but must do it me ,two big games to earn my approval ,and kerry game was a non event ,so I would not read much in to that .
Like for example make no mistake marc o se will be on hurley in champinship.That kerry game ,is a non event imo.


I agree Sean, nice footballer arent what we need on there own,we need resoulte,men of steel,that when need is greatest we have Warriors that we can rely on.

Dinnen as you say is that ,not just big on the outside.In the inside he has real heart and ,resilence.Like beauty ,no good from outside in ,as it wears off.Beautfiul people from the inside out are the real treasures of life.You can never take that beauty away .Same in a heart and hunger in a player.


Same a player that has a big heart ,to match talent,is a real real treasure.
Everything you want against kerry.Always known as pure footballers,the greatest that graced the game ,however had real characthers ,real players of steel,gooch,galvin,o se by 3,galvin ,donaghy ,mahony ,fitzmurice etc,thats why they were winners.Had talent and inner resolve.


Training last week was a real eye opener for me ,lads I didnt expect stood up and lads I expected to lead I was suprised,expected more of them .Not that they were bad,but I expected more ,of them .


In forward v backs hurley v shields,was a titanic match up,epic.None gave an inch .Sum battle.Two warriors.Two lads cork are lucky to have.


Cahalane ,collins,dinneen,clancy kelly were to the fore front.
Ken in goals was vocal,really driving it.I mean really to the fore .


Thats what you want ,you crave for.That desire and want in the team.
I remember I watched keane 2003 charity shield final.Start of the season.Had won it all in the game .No need to proof a dime of anything at the start of the season.Could saved himself,a tired ravaged body for the long season ahead .
Not in he's DNA.All or nothing.To comprise that Mentailty he had just once,meant he lost that edge that made him the Leader,the Great,not good or very Good,a really really Great player,a man you could go to to War with .

However ,its wasnt man u v arsenal.
It was keane v veira .
He had always that mindset,greateset enemy ,had to at least break equal.Viera was just the same.
Thats why that game you could judge both players.Both chased and ran every ball as it was life depended on it .
Thats what cork must develop ,that real ,inner will,unquinchable drive within .
We must develop those characthers.to do that enviroment must be right,we must have conviction ,and drive ,from management down .Keane had that drive ,but Clough and Fergie tough love,hardened a lad already with a sharp edge .Managements Role in this Group ,cannot be underestimated in determining the future of the team,imo.In that drive and resilence cant be diluted or undermined by poor,naive,tactical nous from management
This is year one,but crucial to the development of the team .

Myself and you ,Sean speak in unity when we say all issues and obstacles in this Cork teams way to win an all ireland are a hundred per cent fixable ,and totally within in there control .The key word is they must TAKE Control.
Either way Management will Create a legacey.Lets hope its the right one.

They win Cork an all ireland ,playing pure football,i like many back those lads through thick and thin,cause they earned that respect.
They fail ,and they will be remembered as a set up that didnt meet expectation with the next generation.
Theres no point in saying otherwise.

Three years ,by 2016,plenty time win it .Again my huge worry is no one has said ,when Cork must win it by.
Jbm in fairness said when he took over it was a 3 year plan .So a great judge at the end of this year of our progress.


We fail to win Munster against kerry and get a competive semi final,then they should be reviewed.Harsh no,a reality ,that is perfectly attainable target ,and we cant waste crucial time with this group on management if they arent up to it.We will know after year 1 what signs are.Must always be an upward steady curve of constant progress,in the complete succesful evoloution of any winning team .


They fail to beat kerry ,next year ,or get to an all ireland final again must be asked questions .As I said before must be mininum standards that a basic requirment is met even without winning ,even in year one .

Obivously if major injuries deplete the squad or a woeful referee costs you a game,you make an exception ,and adjust the targets and review accordingly .THERE isnt a job in ireland that you don't have a 6 month review or at least a year with any boss.Cork must ,have that same accountability with unproven management but we don't.

With A Director of each code,it brings Accountabilty ,responsibilty and ownership for all involved.
Jack o connor called for a Director of Football in Kerry.Chances are they will in time do that.Cork has zero chance of that happening .

I watched jason sherlock late late.Showed that goal 95,still haunts me ,mark o connor slipped ,goal.
He was a fine full back the Bantry man .


Clare as I raid would rattle tipp in div 4 final.

Watched it now .
Clare put up a great display and kissane doing a great job.

Kilkenny minors hurlers beaten by dublin,our lads beat dubs handy in a challenge ,so a good sign .

I heard more great news if true re our minor hurlers today.

Limerick

sean mac wrote: »

TTm, thanks for the reports appreciated. As for terry Dillon, played in the centre for highfield and a tough operator. May have played with a fella called brian Cuthbert! who also lined out for highfield for a while, playing number 8 and was another abrasive character on the pitch.

Go way.Cubby played rubgy?


Jesus I never knew that sean


Thanks did he play long?

No bother sean at all