Vegetarians, sane or mad??

joseph brand · 28-01-2005 01:03AM #1

I believe that long ago man found that there was better nourishment from beef, than a handful of crappy berries, and leaves, and he was right!!

While I was away in the States four years ago, there was a girl who came over with us, and she was a veggie/vegan.

This girl, as far as I could see was fairly thin and did not really like 'Any' food.

She did lots of smoking and tea drinking, . . . . . .and that's all, as far as nourishment is concerned.

One day she was calling out the name of a guy from next-door, not knowing that I was in next room, slightly hungover. He didn't answer as he was elsewhere.

After about 5 minutes I shouted out to her, "you ok?"
She replied "no!!".

What had happened was, she fainted on the floor and woke up scared.

I would have offered her tea and a sausage sambo only the sausages aren't really that nice over there.

This is my view of Veggies/Vegans.

Also, my friends sister is one and her twin daughters are now also, beacause she told them to join her???

I think they are all weird and a little tapped isteach sa head.

Ro: maaan! · 28-01-2005 01:11AM

Eh...

I knew a guy who used to wear a pink shirt. One day he went on a killing spree. Now I only talk to people who wear white shirts.

Nukem · 28-01-2005 01:15AM

Ro: maaan! wrote:

Eh...

I knew a guy who used to wear a pink shirt. One day he went on a killing spree. Now I only talk to people who wear white shirts.

Ok?

No don't agree with veggie/vigan: while i respect peoples choice i personally don't agree with it.Body needs meat.

Karl Hungus · 28-01-2005 01:15AM

Eh, they're not all mad really, but a cup of tea as food is ****ing retarded, your friend deserves a Darwin award for that.

Pet · 28-01-2005 01:18AM

I met a Chinese guy one day and he was a little odd and the chinese eat rats so from those two pieces of information I can extrapolate that Chinese people are really weird and horrible to animals, all 1 billion+ of them.

Chinafoot · 28-01-2005 01:19AM

eh well i dont think you can base all veggies on that one girl.....sounds more like an eating disorder in her case.

one of my very good mates is a vegetarian and he's very healthy.

tuxy · 28-01-2005 01:20AM

one vegetarian is stupid = all vegetarian are stupid
this thread is stupid = all your threads are stupid

seamus · 28-01-2005 11:22AM

I knew a non-vegetarian once who ate so much meat that he clogged his arteries and died.

Now I think all non-vegetarians are dead.

monster_fighter · 28-01-2005 11:30AM

Nukem wrote:

Ok?

No don't agree with veggie/vigan: while i respect peoples choice i personally don't agree with it.Body needs meat.

Body needs meat?

You and me, outside, NOW!

... should sort out who's body needs meat....

But seriously, your body doesn't need meat. I easily get the 1gram per
kilo needed. Actually I normally eat about 2 grams per kilo so I don't waste anyeffort in the gym.

flikflak · 28-01-2005 11:48AM

Some people use vegetarianism as a smoke screen for eating disorders. I think that was what the person you knew was doing. By saying "Oh I am a vegetarian" they think you will not find it strange that all they do is smoke fags and drink tea. A proper vegetarian diet is fine and healthy provided you are varying your diet and not relying on one food source.

Therefore in answer to your question I think that it does not matter if someone is a veggie or not there are some maaaaaaaad people about no matter what they eat/dont eat.

Kingsize · 28-01-2005 11:55AM

nice idea but no! dont be so silly
im a vegetarrian & dont make any fuss about it,i sit down at xmas dinner & watch my loved ones eat the carved dead flesh of what was once a living being.
I'm eternally annoyed by folks poking & sniffing at my lunch like dogs rooting through bin bags.
Its really no big deal but there are loads of ppl who cant get there head round it though .

seriously you dont eat meat?
no im vegetarian i dont eat any animals at all.
what do you eat then?
erm......vegetables!!
But you can eat Fish?
???????****s sake!!!
ive started telling people that im a hare Krishna & its part of my religion & would they like to come to a meeting,that usually stops em in their tracks

seamus · 28-01-2005 11:58AM

flikflak wrote:

Some people use vegetarianism as a smoke screen for eating disorders. I think that was what the person you knew was doing. By saying "Oh I am a vegetarian" they think you will not find it strange that all they do is smoke fags and drink tea. A proper vegetarian diet is fine and healthy provided you are varying your diet and not relying on one food source.

Yep, can happen. By pretending to be a strict vegan, people with anorexia, in particular can very easily find ways of refusing food.
As you say, it's quite likely that this girl just drank tea and smoked fags to stave off her hunger pangs. Fainting and lethargy is much less common in vegetarians than it is in strict vegans, since you'll find that even though a lot of vegetarians don't eat a balanced enough diet, they haven't cut out enough foods to leave themselves malnourished.

Joseph, was she a vegetarian or a vegan? There's a big difference in diets. A bit like me saying "Oh he was a Jew/non-vegetarian"..

Zombienosh · 28-01-2005 12:00PM

Vegetarians, mad?? no more mad than the rest of us.

.....thought u had to eat meat to be mad anyway?......or maybe i missed the mad brocoli disease.

2 cows in a field......

Cow1: hey, did you hear about that mad cow disease, does it worry you?
Cow2: nah, I don't need to worry about that.
Cow1: why not?!
Cow2: cos I'm a horse.

koneko · 28-01-2005 12:04PM

That girl sounds like she was anorexic rather than vegetarian, as others have suggested.

I've known plenty of really sound vegetarians, ones that do the research, know what foods to get to replace what they miss out on in meat, and are really healthy happy people.

Having said that, it's not for me, I like eating animals. You can't beat a nice big juicy steak.

Nukem · 28-01-2005 12:05PM

monster_fighter wrote:

You and me, outside, NOW!

... should sort out who's body needs meat....

Lets Dance!!!!!

blondie83 · 28-01-2005 01:04PM

mmmm...steak! I went to America a couple of years ago, and there were 2 vegies in our group, but they ate loads - they said they had to eat more than us cos they needed more protien and suchlike stuff, which makes a bit of sense. It never caused any problems or anything though, cos most places where you eat do do vegetarian options. In fact they got me hooked on the subway "vegie delight" sub!

Oeneus · 28-01-2005 01:17PM

To the point someone made about a chinese guy eating rats. The Chinese aren't actually weird at all (this goes for most Asian cultures), they're just more efficiant with their eating. They don't believe in wasting food. they will eat anything thats edible and won't throw away left overs. Which in my opinion is a great attitude.

I know a family who own a chinese restaurant and went in one day and they were all feasting on a dish based on chicken feet. It kind of grossed me out but come to think of it it's no different to eating its wing! I enjoy Pate and technically that's more discusting!

RasTa · 28-01-2005 04:19PM

Strange topic, veggie myself.

Dont label people

The_B_Man · 28-01-2005 04:27PM

i know a few veggies. one gir lis a veggie, not because of all the animal rights issues, but just coz she doesnt like the taste of meat or thethought of eatin something that was walkin around a field not so long ago!
she eats replacements for meat though, like that Quorn stuff, which she has me eatin aswell, and you can get some beans aswell that are designed for veggies that have all the protein u get from meat. in the case of the bird in the original post, i'd say its just her thats mad! if her face is skeletal, then i'd go wit the others regarding the eatin disorder.

Talliesin · 28-01-2005 04:37PM

joseph brand wrote:

I believe that long ago man found that there was better nourishment from beef, than a handful of crappy berries, and leaves, and he was right!!

At the time though meat was hard to get and evolution is a slow process. Our bodies have evolved to live on a vegetarian diet ocassionally supplemented by meat. Certainly vegetarians that pay attention to what they eat (1 is not a statistically valid survey) are a lot healthier than the likes of myself, who find it hard to consider something a meal unless at least one animal died to prepare it.

I'm reminded of Thoreau recounting being told by a farmer "You cannot live on vegetable foods solely, for they furnish nothing to build bones with" and Thoreau musing "All the while he is talking he is walking behind his oxen which with vegetable-made bones jerks him and his plow along."

shazza1 · 28-01-2005 04:54PM

Nukem wrote:

Body needs meat.

Yeah i agree. I was a vegetarian for about two years. just before xmas i ended up in hospital as i was constantly fainting, missing school, missing work and i would sleep 24/7 if i got the chance.
Was in hospital for 8 days with amenia.
Was v. low in iron therefore catching everything going around and always ill.
On iron tablets now and i eat a little meat, i dont really like it but i suppose its better than ending up in hospital again.
s.

windowgazer · 28-01-2005 05:05PM

I was a veggie for 10 years and recently started munching meat again. I was veggie for ethical reasons, but I found that as a lazy vegetarian, I was becoming very unhealthy. Starting a 'real job' put alot more stress on my time than being a student was and I didn't take to time to make good meals. my hormones were messed up from lack of fish oils and I was very underweight.
So, my point is that people have to take responsibility for themselves. If you have the time and are willing to make the effort to replace what you're missing as a veggie, then go ahead!(I'll do it again myself when I can)
But if you're just going to cut meat out and not replace the lost vitamins and minerals then don't do it! You body will soon let you know how stupid you're being.

heggie · 28-01-2005 06:42PM

I've been a strict vegetarian for 12 years now. Something the 'normal' meat eaters could learn from us is to check ingredients of what you eat. For 12 years i've checked whats in the food I eat, whether it contains geletine, or colourant made from beetles etc, its a good practice to get into. Whether u eat meat or not, we should all know whats in our food, you'd be suprised, and maybe a little freaked out.

Emerson · 28-01-2005 09:27PM

I'm eating mostly veggie for the benefit of my health.
If you become vegetarian and live on tea, white bread, crisps, chocolate, fags, processed cereals and use starchy potatoes as your main/only vegetable serving then you're heading for an early grave.

If you eat a sh*t load more fruit, vegetables (any greens particularly), legumes and a certain amount of WHOLE grains including quinoa you stand a chance of becoming far healthier than the average meat eater. The higher nutrition density per calorie & fibre of these foods delivers optimal nutrition to your system leaving very little room for filling up on nutritionally devoid foods.

You increase you're intake of phytochemicals, anti-oxidants, vitamins & minerals, replace saturated fat for unsaturated fat AND feel a whole lot better about yourself.

I used to have coco pops for breakfast, cuppa soup and 4 slices of white toast washed down with 2 litres of mucous forming pasteurised milk for lunch, pizza and chips or some mince beef & potato for dinner and eat endless bowls of sugary cereal in between.
I suffered acne all over, persistent itchy red streaming eyes, severe pains in my stomach in the mid morning (think it was the milk fermenting) and plummeting attention span in school as well as a constant running nose and stuffed up sounding voice.

I've replaced the cereal with porridge with ground flax/cranberry (ya get it in health stores, full of omega 3), the milk with water (try not to wash my food down though as ya gotta chew if your gonna get the nutrients out of food!), and I eat an absolute ton of fruit/veg every day. I take cod liver oil (for extra omega 3/vit.d) every day and a b12 supplement (VERY important for vegies!).

The last time I ate a substantial amount of beef, I felt fairly unwell for about 2 days. It seemed to sit there, in my stomach, like a brick.

Since making the changes, I've never felt better and the above ailments have slowly but surely disappeared!

If you're going to pursue the vegetarian thing, please do a bit of nutritional research first. I'd strongly recommend you read Dr. Joel Fuhrman's "Eat to Live" book. This is what initially spurred my interest in the subject.

Remember, broccoli has more protein per 100 calories than beef! http://www.vsc.org/protein.htm
Regarding iron intake.. green vegetables provide more than enough for your system although not as easily absorbed, the body shifts up it's absorption rate when an increase in iron is necessary. The body can't, however, squeeze blood from a stone. There ain't much iron in tea 'n' toast!

Altheus · 28-01-2005 09:37PM

Quite clearly insane. Give up steak, salt and pepper chicken winds, doner kebabs, turkey and ham at christmas? Pah. We are human, we suck anyway, and face it; They'd eat you.

heggie · 29-01-2005 01:24AM

Altheus wrote:

Quite clearly insane. Give up steak, salt and pepper chicken winds, doner kebabs, turkey and ham at christmas? Pah. We are human, we suck anyway, and face it; They'd eat you.

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hmmm, if i translated that stuff into its proper names then YOU would be 'quite clearly insane'.

banquo · 29-01-2005 01:54AM

hmm. I always thought of vegetarianism as being this ugly little piece of self-indulgence that turns animal welfare into some kind of personal fashion statement, like the anti-war-in-iraq "Not In My Name" campaign. 248 million people* die from famine in the last 100 years and it's "i dont want to eat pig".

*source = "all the trouble in the world", P.J. o' Rourke.

heggie · 29-01-2005 02:41AM

banquo wrote:

hmm. I always thought of vegetarianism as being this ugly little piece of self-indulgence that turns animal welfare into some kind of personal fashion statement, like the anti-war-in-iraq "Not In My Name" campaign. 248 million people* die from famine in the last 100 years and it's "i dont want to eat pig".

Lol, stupidist comment i've heard in a long time

banquo · 29-01-2005 03:17AM

heggie wrote:

stupidist comment i've heard in a long time

this is what i'm talking about: the substitution of facts for.. something else? or the substitution of a reasonable argument for "I don't like you".

Heggie, in a earlier post you spent some time explaining not why vegetarianism is good, but rather why the people who ate meat were bad. Admittidly, to be careful about what we eat is excellent advice, and we'd all do well to take heed there, but you can't swap pathos for logos and get an argument based on reason.

heggie · 29-01-2005 05:26AM

i wasnt attacking meat eaters, just making a point that at times its not the healthiest lifestyle. Vegetarian benefits are obvious, i dont think i need to point them out. But seroiusly, linking 3rd world starvation to imply that vegetarians are arrogant, and even greedy/selfish because they are 'too good' for a pig that poorer people would love to eat, thats just plain stupid, and stretching this 'debate' a little too far. I dont eat meat mainly for ethical, and semi-religious reasons, but surely there is a type of food that you dont like, should you eat it because other people somewhere in the world need that food ?

monster_fighter · 29-01-2005 05:47AM

Nukem wrote:

Lets Dance!!!!!

Bring it on

PS: banquo- I think you'll find heggie is not so scrawny. His arguments may make little sense at ten to five on a saturday morning (he probably spent the night in Angels and I am more than sure he's drunk).

Vegetarians, sane or mad??

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