Irish Army missing Styers??

iceage · 28-09-2008 07:55PM #1

Has anyone read this mornings irish news of the world? and if so, is it true cos I just can't beleive that it could be. Just seems a bit far fetched to me.

And before you start taking the mickey, I don't read the rag, it was just mentioned to me this morning. I'm sure its sh*te anyway.

Poccington · 28-09-2008 08:28PM

Military orders check on gun supplies for replicas
Irish Independent
27/09/2008
By: Tom Brady and Barry Duggan

The military authorities have ordered stringent checks of all supplies of Steyr rifles to prevent their weapons being replaced by replicas.

Senior officers are concerned that the replicas, which are described as remarkably similar, could be substituted in stocks to cover up the theft of the army’s standard rifle.

However, initial checks at military barracks around the country have confirmed that no weapons are missing.

A Defence Forces spokesman said that the instruction had been issued as a precaution and stressed the importance of being vigilant because of the number of replicas in circulation.

A weekly check on all military weapons is carried out nationwide and additional audits under the eye of a commanding officer are completed on a monthly basis.

“We know there are imitation guns out there and they are very similar to our weapons. We have no evidence or intelligence suggesting that any attempt would be made to replace some of our stocks with replicas and merely took precautionary steps”, the spokesman added.

It is understood that the Chief of Staff of the Defence Forces, Lieutenant General Dermot Early has discussed the amount of replica rifles in circulation with Garda Commissioner Fachtna Murphy.

What's above is what is actually happening.

Not the ****e that the NOTW put in the paper.

bennyblanco · 28-09-2008 08:33PM

There should be a law against sensationalist scaremongering

iceage · 28-09-2008 08:39PM

thanks guys, I knew it had to be ****e, bloody NOTW obviously got nothing else to write about.:)

eroo · 28-09-2008 08:59PM

Still, the question has to be put out there.. What sorts of DF personnel would contemplate doing such a thing? The risk is there, or otherwise they wouldn't be taking ''precautions''. Who are DF afraid will get their hands on real Steyr AUG's? Criminal gangs? Subversives?

Poccington · 28-09-2008 09:11PM

Santa Claus

iceage · 28-09-2008 09:18PM

eroo wrote: »

Still, the question has to be put out there.. What sorts of DF personnel would contemplate doing such a thing? The risk is there, or otherwise they wouldn't be taking ''precautions''. Who are DF afraid will get their hands on real Steyr AUG's? Criminal gangs? Subversives?

Don't worry yourself mate, storm in a teacup, its just more proof of poor Journalistic practise by the notw.

minidazzler · 29-09-2008 12:33AM

eroo wrote: »

Still, the question has to be put out there.. What sorts of DF personnel would contemplate doing such a thing? The risk is there, or otherwise they wouldn't be taking ''precautions''. Who are DF afraid will get their hands on real Steyr AUG's? Criminal gangs? Subversives?

The above article says they have recieved no credible threats but are simply doing it as a precaution!

Have you seen the Airsoft AUG's? They are remarkably similar and it is very possible to miss the differences by a quick look.

The "enterprising" type might try it.

But In reality noone will ever really try it. Too much risk, too little reward.

Hagar · 29-09-2008 06:13AM

The NOTW is a Sunday titty magazine. Their stock in trade is bawdy sensationalist tripe. I'm sure like many of the English papers their Premiership soccer coverage is good but I wouldn't put any creedance in any of the "news" that they print.

concussion · 29-09-2008 09:08AM

I'm still having a chuckle over the fact they had a photo of a Steyr with the caption 'actual Army AUG' (paraphrasing) which was actually an airsoft weapon - priceless!

Pyridine · 29-09-2008 09:27AM

Surely this wouldn't make sense anyway as I assume you still have to sign every weapon out of the stores so whichever rifle number comes up missing is just traced back to the last soldier who had it and he/she gets into a **** storm!

The Golly Wog · 29-09-2008 09:38AM

eroo wrote: »

Still, the question has to be put out there.. What sorts of DF personnel would contemplate doing such a thing?

The same type of wanker who sold the .50 Cal from the position at Ayta az Zutt in Lebanon a few years ago.

Fratton Fred · 29-09-2008 10:05AM

This is typical gutter press creating a story over a few pints.

"Hey, these replica steyrs are very realistic, i wonder if one could be swapped for a real one without anyone noticing"

"yeah, quick, phone the DF and see what steps they have put in place to stop this happening"

"yep, they are aware of it and in THEORY it COULD happen but it hasn't done because they have checked"

"OK, they have had to check, quick, write a story, don;t quote any names, just say a DF spokesperson, that way people think it is real, but the DF can't deny it because we haven't given a name".

"Ok, same again or join me in a port and lemon".

I hate these sort of journalists.

29-09-2008 11:57AM

Well, it's better to be wary for no good reason than to be ignorant when there's good reason not to be.

Tenger · 29-09-2008 01:26PM

Pyridine wrote: »

Surely this wouldn't make sense anyway as I assume you still have to sign every weapon out of the stores so whichever rifle number comes up missing is just traced back to the last soldier who had it and he/she gets into a **** storm!

Thought that would be the process. Or even each soldier has a serial number assigned to him as in some militaries.

concussion wrote: »

I'm still having a chuckle over the fact they had a photo of a Steyr with the caption 'actual Army AUG' (paraphrasing) which was actually an airsoft weapon - priceless!

Class

arybvtcw0eolkf · 29-09-2008 01:51PM

Bramble wrote: »

Thought that would be the process. Or even each soldier has a serial number assigned to him as in some militaries.

Class

The Styer is a personal issue.

Morpheus · 29-09-2008 02:25PM

Thought that would be the process. Or even each soldier has a serial number assigned to him as in some militaries.

If you are a serving member of the PDF/RDF please be careful not to release information that may be deemed OpSec info as you may be held responsible for breaking the OSA.

Tackleberry. · 04-10-2008 01:01PM

i was down in gorey to a local gun dealer and he was telling lads that " there is a load of sh*t in the army ranks as someone replaced a issued styer with a Airsoft " he sells airsoft and some carry the same weight and are full metal copies i can see that he is getting a laugh out off this story and is using it to sell to the young lads so..... i'm sure his sales pitch may get better

Grizzly 45 · 04-10-2008 02:49PM

Dunno why anyone would be worried about anyone nicking the AUG in the 1st place.POS is how most Irish Army blokes describe it .True or no?
Not much good to me as I'm a leftie,and I hear the Irish issue are all right hookers?

concussion · 04-10-2008 03:36PM

I'm left-handed and I've never had any problems with it. I'll leave the POS comment to others as I have no other rifle to compare it too, save saying its light, compact and, in my experience, reliable.

Boston · 04-10-2008 03:44PM

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

Dunno why anyone would be worried about anyone nicking the AUG in the 1st place.POS is how most Irish Army blokes describe it .True or no?
Not much good to me as I'm a leftie,and I hear the Irish issue are all right hookers?

I don't understand why anyone would be concerned by the thought of a fully automatic assault rifle in the hands of criminals, I mean don't they know it doesn't compare to the German made G36? No self respecting drug dealer would be seen dead with a styer.

:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

Poccington · 04-10-2008 05:03PM

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

Dunno why anyone would be worried about anyone nicking the AUG in the 1st place.POS is how most Irish Army blokes describe it .True or no?
Not much good to me as I'm a leftie,and I hear the Irish issue are all right hookers?

Who's most Irish Army blokes?

The only thing I have even the slightest problem with is the optical sights. Overall though, it's a quality weapon.

concussion · 04-10-2008 07:21PM

Boston wrote: »

I don't understand why anyone would be concerned by the thought of a fully automatic assault rifle in the hands of criminals, I mean don't they know it doesn't compare to the German made G36? No self respecting drug dealer would be seen dead with a styer.

:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

Ha ha, quality

Grizzly 45 · 04-10-2008 07:49PM

Maybe it's because the criminals already have or can custom order what they fancy in assault rifles.I mean to have street cred you GOT TO have a blinged up chrome AK!!!Who would want to knock off tatty,used Irish army issue AUGs???????:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::eek:

most Irish Army blokes...Well,mostly those that I have talked to down in the Southern Command,who have been there since the FAL days.All rate the FAL as the better rifle.
Concussion
How do you fire that if the ejection port is on the right side???Dont you get a cheek full of spent shell with every shot???

Tribunius · 04-10-2008 07:55PM

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

Dunno why anyone would be worried about anyone nicking the AUG in the 1st place.POS is how most Irish Army blokes describe it .True or no?
Not much good to me as I'm a leftie,and I hear the Irish issue are all right hookers?

Not true at all. It is a very good weapon. I have had a chance to use quite a few different rifles since then (on a range mind you not in the field). M4, Tavor, SL8(civi version of G36), vz58, Sig SG551. It compares well to all of them my only gripe is the sights. But that is only because I have used all the fancy sights. ACOG, Aimpoint, Eotech.

I am right handed but I have seen many lefties trained to use the steyr so in my opinion the fact that its right handed only in the DF is no problem.

Boston · 04-10-2008 07:58PM

Yes, its a well known fact that the streets of limerick and Dublin resemble bagdad. I mean just the other day I was walking down O'Connell street and tripped over a discarded AK, burger King must have been doing their "buy a euro saver meal, get a free AK" deal again.

Poccington · 04-10-2008 08:01PM

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

Maybe it's because the criminals already have or can custom order what they fancy in assault rifles.I mean to have street cred you GOT TO have a blinged up chrome AK!!!Who would want to knock off tatty,used Irish army issue AUGs???????:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::eek:

most Irish Army blokes...Well,mostly those that I have talked to down in the Southern Command,who have been there since the FAL days.All rate the FAL as the better rifle.
Concussion
How do you fire that if the ejection port is on the right side???Dont you get a cheek full of spent shell with every shot???

And there's a few from the days of the .303 that would rate it as a better rifle. In the world of todays modern Assault Rifles, the Steyr stands up with the rest quite well.

Anyway, all those boys down the South are backwards... Especially since there's no such thing as the Southern Command :P

Shinealight · 04-10-2008 08:07PM

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

Dunno why anyone would be worried about anyone nicking the AUG in the 1st place.POS is how most Irish Army blokes describe it .True or no?
Not much good to me as I'm a leftie,and I hear the Irish issue are all right hookers?

It mite be a piece of ****, fortunately criminals probably wont be to fussy seen as it can still put a considerable hole in ya the same way as any other .223 would.

concussion · 04-10-2008 08:33PM

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

Concussion
How do you fire that if the ejection port is on the right side???Dont you get a cheek full of spent shell with every shot???

No, I just fire it from the right shoulder like I've been trained. It's not a problem whatsoever, though I suspect I'm slightly better off the left, which is why I sometimes fire the mag on that side, just to shake things up a bit :pac::pac:

iceage · 04-10-2008 09:30PM

Ahem..http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q7oLjVfshNI

The boys look well don't they? 1 min 56 secs in on the vid. a leftie I believe.

Tenger · 05-10-2008 03:07PM

Tribunius wrote: »

I have had a chance to use quite a few different rifles .................M4, Tavor, SL8(civi version of G36), vz58, Sig SG551. ..............................I am right handed but I have seen many lefties trained to use the steyr so in my opinion the fact that its right handed only in the DF is no problem.

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

Not much good to me as I'm a leftie,and I hear the Irish issue are all right hookers?

To Tribunius: What is the Tavor like? I am not a serving military person but as an amateur militarian I think the Tavor looks great. And reading about it online gives it good marks.

To Both: Can the Steyr AUg be changed to left handed use? Does the Irish DF insist on righthanded use?

Irish Army missing Styers??

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