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Sauces with pasta/rice? Healthy butter suggestions?

  • 01-04-2009 01:04AM
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,015 ✭✭✭


    Any long term good eaters out there that have any tips?
    Obviously its brown rice and brown pasta-im finding im getting bored with combos with chicken and its fairly dry too!
    Also any healthy butter brands out there with no trans fats or hydrogenated fats etc- thanks!:)


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 532 ✭✭✭slemons


    I dont think the words 'good eaters' and pasta go in the same sentence. Doesnt matter what color it is, its still processed crap with little nutritional value.

    Id go for the pound block of Kerrygold butter. The 100% real stuff. Sparingly though. Better fat sources are from coconut, almonds, walnuts, and fish of course


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 97 ✭✭daisyplant


    With regard to the dryness you could use tinned chopped tomatoes as a sauce or sauce base. Add various herbs, spices and garlic to vary the taste. Will work well with either pasta or Rice and is very healthy.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,015 ✭✭✭rccaulfield


    slemons wrote: »
    I dont think the words 'good eaters' and pasta go in the same sentence. Doesnt matter what color it is, its still processed crap with little nutritional value.

    Id go for the pound block of Kerrygold butter. The 100% real stuff. Sparingly though. Better fat sources are from coconut, almonds, walnuts, and fish of course

    Not true the pastas a great source of carbs- no additives- if you dont know your stuff dont post mate. Im lookin for sauces with no sugar corn syrup crap to go with. In meal 4 of 6 for me iv pasta with Chicken and broccoli spreading a 50 35 15 macronutrient ratio- perfect the goals-thanks anyway!
    Btw a pound block of real butter? Thats 100 cals per teaspoon largely unsaturated fats! Also i cant spread cocunuts or nuts or fish on my toast!!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,015 ✭✭✭rccaulfield


    daisyplant wrote: »
    With regard to the dryness you could use tinned chopped tomatoes as a sauce or sauce base. Add various herbs, spices and garlic to vary the taste. Will work well with either pasta or Rice and is very healthy.

    Sounds good-thanks, Dunno if id like it with the rice tho- Can use the tomatoes as a fibrous carb in the meal too!:)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 532 ✭✭✭slemons


    lol...
    I bow...

    Anyway butter is saturated fat. 100% nearly.
    Maybe you meant saturated.

    Whats wrong with saturated fat? Its great stuff.
    Coconut oil is 70% saturated. And its very spreadable. Of course you knew that and that medium chain triglycerides can enter the Krebs cycle as a fuel source with relative ease meaning that coconuts are a super food. All the benefits of fats, plus a source of fuel.

    Now if you could just post a link that shows the real health benefits of pasta then i'll go on my little way. lol

    Of course all carbs are equal so why not just eat mars bars? 'A mars a day, helps you work rest and play'. You know its true for you. All foods are equal once divided into Carbs, fats and proteins. So Im ditching my fruit, veg, nuts and fish and going living off glucose, pasta and whey shakes. Thanks for the help

    Pasta is awful stuff, regardless of the colour. Maybe especially because of the colour


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 864 ✭✭✭Aedh Baclamh


    Pasta rules.

    As does pesto.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,394 ✭✭✭Transform


    man your post is as bad as a bag of screaming cats!

    So many misconceptions.

    Lets start with butter - a perfectly good fat and full of MCT

    The following is the most significant piece of research with this regard that has been published

    Am J Clin Nutr. 2008 Mar;87(3):621-6. Links
    Weight-loss diet that includes consumption of medium-chain triacylglycerol oil leads to a greater rate of weight and fat mass loss than does olive oil.St-Onge MP, Bosarge A.
    College of Physicians and Surgeons, Columbia University and New York Obesity Research Center, St Luke's/Roosevelt Hospital, New York, NY 10025, USA. ms2554@columbia.edu

    BACKGROUND: Clinical studies have shown that consumption of medium-chain triacylglycerols (MCTs) leads to greater energy expenditure than does consumption of long-chain triacylglycerols. Such studies suggest that MCT consumption may be useful for weight management. OBJECTIVE: We aimed to determine whether consumption of MCT oil improves body weight and fat loss compared with olive oil when consumed as part of a weight-loss program. DESIGN: Forty-nine overweight men and women, aged 19-50 y, consumed either 18-24 g/d of MCT oil or olive oil as part of a weight-loss program for 16 wk. Subjects received weekly group weight-loss counseling. Body weight and waist circumference were measured weekly. Adipose tissue distribution was assessed at baseline and at the endpoint by use of dual-energy X-ray absorptiometry and computed tomography. RESULTS: Thirty-one subjects completed the study (body mass index: 29.8 +/- 0.4, in kg/m(2)). MCT oil consumption resulted in lower endpoint body weight than did olive oil (-1.67 +/- 0.67 kg, unadjusted P = 0.013). There was a trend toward greater loss of fat mass (P = 0.071) and trunk fat mass (P = 0.10) with MCT consumption than with olive oil. Endpoint trunk fat mass, total fat mass, and intraabdominal adipose tissue were all lower with MCT consumption than with olive oil consumption (all unadjusted P values < 0.05). CONCLUSIONS: Consumption of MCT oil as part of a weight-loss plan improves weight loss compared with olive oil and can thus be successfully included in a weight-loss diet. Small changes in the quality of fat intake can therefore be useful to enhance weight loss.

    Finally, brown pasta is still quite ok for fibre but has feck all in the way of vitamins and minerals. Brown rice is grand but you still have to earn the carbs.

    What are your goals and shape your currently in?
    The bbc/food website is excellent for food ideas.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 864 ✭✭✭Aedh Baclamh


    Transform - I'm looking for an evening meal (not post workout) that will equal roughly 500 cals. Usually have pasta/chicken/peppers/pesto. Would like to ditch the pasta but that equates to nearly 300 cals...what would you replace them with? It would take a ****load of veg to make that number! I have rice during the day so wouldn't particularly fancy it again at night.

    Thanks.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,394 ✭✭✭Transform


    sweet potatoes.

    one more piece of research from a few years ago -

    Proc Natl Acad Sci U S A. 2001 Nov 6;98(23):13294-9. Epub 2001 Oct 23. Links
    Compared with saturated fatty acids, dietary monounsaturated fatty acids and carbohydrates increase atherosclerosis and VLDL cholesterol levels in LDL receptor-deficient, but not apolipoprotein E-deficient, mice.Merkel M, Velez-Carrasco W, Hudgins LC, Breslow JL.
    Laboratory of Biochemical Geneticsand Metabolism, The Rockefeller University, New York, NY 10021, USA.

    Heart-healthy dietary recommendations include decreasing the intake of saturated fatty acids (SFA). However, the relative benefit of replacing SFA with monounsaturated fatty acids (MUFA), polyunsaturated fatty acids (PUFA), or carbohydrates (CARB) is still being debated. We have used two mouse models of atherosclerosis, low density lipoprotein receptor-deficient (LDLRKO) and apolipoprotein E-deficient (apoEKO) mice to measure the effects of four isocaloric diets enriched with either SFA, MUFA, PUFA, or CARB on atherosclerotic lesion area and lipoprotein levels. In LDLRKO mice, compared with the SFA diet, the MUFA and CARB diets significantly increased atherosclerosis in both sexes, but the PUFA diet had no effect. The MUFA and CARB diets also increased very low density lipoprotein-cholesterol (VLDL-C) and LDL-cholesterol (LDL-C) in males and VLDL-C levels in females. Analysis of data from LDLRKO mice on all diets showed that atherosclerotic lesion area correlated positively with VLDL-C levels (males: r = 0.47, P < 0.005; females: r = 0.52, P < 0.001). In contrast, in apoEKO mice there were no significant dietary effects on atherosclerosis in either sex. Compared with the SFA diet, the CARB diet significantly decreased VLDL-C in males and the MUFA, PUFA, and CARB diets decreased VLDL-C and the CARB diet decreased LDL-C in females. In summary, in LDLRKO mice the replacement of dietary SFA by either MUFA or CARB causes a proportionate increase in both atherosclerotic lesion area and VLDL-C. There were no significant dietary effects on atherosclerotic lesion area in apoEKO mice. These results are surprising and suggest that, depending on the underlying genotype, dietary MUFA and CARB can actually increase atherosclerosis susceptibility, probably by raising VLDL-C levels through a non-LDL receptor, apoE-dependent pathway.

    This and other studies led to changes in the current food guide pyramid to drop the overemphasis on starchy carbs.

    I have a ton of other papers i can put up that shows low GI, low carbs (40% or less of diet) is the way to go for better health - so eat your veggies, no overdoing it on pasta if your not training alot and bang in the fats (butter, olive oil, fish, nuts etc)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,015 ✭✭✭rccaulfield


    slemons wrote: »
    lol...
    I bow...

    Anyway butter is saturated fat. 100% nearly.
    Maybe you meant saturated.

    Whats wrong with saturated fat? Its great stuff.
    Coconut oil is 70% saturated. And its very spreadable. Of course you knew that and that medium chain triglycerides can enter the Krebs cycle as a fuel source with relative ease meaning that coconuts are a super food. All the benefits of fats, plus a source of fuel.

    Now if you could just post a link that shows the real health benefits of pasta then i'll go on my little way. lol

    Of course all carbs are equal so why not just eat mars bars? 'A mars a day, helps you work rest and play'. You know its true for you. All foods are equal once divided into Carbs, fats and proteins. So Im ditching my fruit, veg, nuts and fish and going living off glucose, pasta and whey shakes. Thanks for the help

    Pasta is awful stuff, regardless of the colour. Maybe especially because of the colour

    From Tom Venutos book burn the fat feed the muscle-
    3. Saturated and processed fats (trans-fatty acids) cause serious health problems.
    Certain types of fats, especially the saturated fats and trans fats, are bad for your
    health. According to Dr. Erasmus, "Degenerative diseases that involve fats prematurely
    kill over two-thirds of the people living in affluent, industrialized nations." Saturated fats
    have been linked to heart disease, cancer, diabetes and too many other problems to list.



    ALSO-

    5. Saturated fats reduce insulin sensitivity
    Insulin sensitivity refers to the responsiveness of your muscles to insulin. Insulin
    carries the sugar into the muscles for energy and glycogen storage. It also carries the
    amino acids into the muscles for growth and repair. When you have poor insulin
    sensitivity, it’s like insulin is standing outside with protein and carbs, knocking on the
    muscle cell’s door, but the muscle cell won’t let the insulin bring the carbs or protein
    (aminos) inside. So blood sugar continues to build up, and you release even more insulin
    to try to get the nutrients into the cells. Not only are the high insulin levels disastrous to
    your fat loss efforts, severe insulin sensitivity is essentially an early stage of diabetes.



    FYI


    1.Saturated fat
    Saturated fats are the most harmful, leading to increased levels of cholesterol in the
    blood. They also lack the essential fatty acids you’re looking for. Butter, cheese,
    chocolate, egg yolk, meat fat, dairy fat, shortening, palm oil, palm kernel oil and coconut
    oil are all saturated fats. With the exception of the tropical oils (Palm, palm kernel and
    coconut), saturated fats are primarily animal fats and for the most part, they tend to be
    solid at room temperature.
    2. Unsaturated fat (Polyunsaturated and monounsaturated)
    Vegetable fats are mostly poly or mono unsaturated. Polyunsaturated and
    monounsaturated fats tend to lower levels of blood cholesterol and contain the healthy
    essential fatty acids (EFA's) such as omega 3's and omega 6's. Polyunsaturated fats
    include fish, walnuts, pecans, almonds, flax, some salad dressings, soybean oil, sunflower
    oil, and safflower oil. Monounsaturated fats include avocados, cashews, peanuts, pecans,
    natural peanut butter, olives and olive oil.
    Essential fatty acids (EFA’s)
    Like other “essential” nutrients such as “essential” amino acids, an essential fatty
    acid is one that the body cannot make and must be supplied through the diet. The
    monounsaturated and polyunsaturated fats contain the essential fats – these are the good
    guys. Essential fatty acids are found in all the monounsaturated and polyunsaturated fats I
    mentioned earlier, but some unsaturated fats are higher in EFA’s than others.
    The two EFA’s are
    Omega 6 - (linoleic acid or LA)
    Omega 3 – (alpha linolenic or LNA)
    Most people don’t get enough EFA’s. People who intentionally restrict fat to very
    low levels are often borderline deficient. Although a true clinical EFA deficiency is rare,
    a very low fat diet is clearly not going to give you optimal amounts of these beneficial good fats- hope this helps.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,015 ✭✭✭rccaulfield


    Transform wrote: »
    man your post is as bad as a bag of screaming cats!

    So many misconceptions.

    Lets start with butter - a perfectly good fat and full of MCT

    The following is the most significant piece of research with this regard that has been published

    Am J Clin Nutr. 2008 Mar;87(3):621-6. Links
    Weight-loss diet that includes consumption of medium-chain triacylglycerol oil leads to a greater rate of weight and fat mass loss than does olive oil.St-Onge MP, Bosarge A.
    College of Physicians and Surgeons, Columbia University and New York Obesity Research Center, St Luke's/Roosevelt Hospital, New York, NY 10025, USA. ms2554@columbia.edu

    BACKGROUND: Clinical studies have shown that consumption of medium-chain triacylglycerols (MCTs) leads to greater energy expenditure than does consumption of long-chain triacylglycerols. Such studies suggest that MCT consumption may be useful for weight management. OBJECTIVE: We aimed to determine whether consumption of MCT oil improves body weight and fat loss compared with olive oil when consumed as part of a weight-loss program. DESIGN: Forty-nine overweight men and women, aged 19-50 y, consumed either 18-24 g/d of MCT oil or olive oil as part of a weight-loss program for 16 wk. Subjects received weekly group weight-loss counseling. Body weight and waist circumference were measured weekly. Adipose tissue distribution was assessed at baseline and at the endpoint by use of dual-energy X-ray absorptiometry and computed tomography. RESULTS: Thirty-one subjects completed the study (body mass index: 29.8 +/- 0.4, in kg/m(2)). MCT oil consumption resulted in lower endpoint body weight than did olive oil (-1.67 +/- 0.67 kg, unadjusted P = 0.013). There was a trend toward greater loss of fat mass (P = 0.071) and trunk fat mass (P = 0.10) with MCT consumption than with olive oil. Endpoint trunk fat mass, total fat mass, and intraabdominal adipose tissue were all lower with MCT consumption than with olive oil consumption (all unadjusted P values < 0.05). CONCLUSIONS: Consumption of MCT oil as part of a weight-loss plan improves weight loss compared with olive oil and can thus be successfully included in a weight-loss diet. Small changes in the quality of fat intake can therefore be useful to enhance weight loss.

    Finally, brown pasta is still quite ok for fibre but has feck all in the way of vitamins and minerals. Brown rice is grand but you still have to earn the carbs.

    What are your goals and shape your currently in?
    The bbc/food website is excellent for food ideas.

    What dya think im eatin pasta all day long ffs? I eat 50 g in one meal and get 180 carbs to go toward my daily caloric intake- if i was looking for vitamins and minerals i wouldnt be looking for it in pasta!
    This forums not great for advice only one person answered my question the rest either misread post or are misguided!
    In shape of my life at the moment lbm142 pounds bf% 9 down from 16 two months ago! Goals are get bf down till ripped 6 pack shows well while maintaining muscle mass then build up some more muscle from there!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,394 ✭✭✭Transform


    did i answer your question - yes, BBC site is excellent for food ideas and OBSERVER new paper site is good also.

    You posted up nothing but a few quotes and discussion points - if you want to make a point then use published peer reviewed studies.

    Trying to 'teach' me about diet is a little unkind seeing as i have proved myself worthy to listen to a few times on this forum.

    Overall, trans fats and hydrogenated fats are to be avoided at all costs. Saturated fats however do not deserve the bad press they get and there is no evidence that saturated fats from butter, meat, eggs etc are harmful to health (obviously burning the fat through overcooking is a different ball game).

    Finally, a few convincers (was not at my own pc earlier)

    Recently the Journal of the America Medical Association (JAMA) published a study in which 50,000 women between 50-79years of age. They concluded that:
    “Decreased fat and increased fruit and vegetables and grains did not decrease the risk of CVD”

    There is also a false belief that eating fat is bad for our heart. In 2003 The British Medical Journal did a fourteen year study and found:
    “There is no support for dietary fat/cholesterol and risk of stroke in men”

    Now please provide some papers for me and i will listen but outside of a study with 50,000 women and a 14 year study you are not going to find ANYTHING more convincing that saturated fat is not evil

    I'm off to have some butter with smoked salmon on 4 oatcakes- protein, fat and low GI carbs


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 532 ✭✭✭slemons


    What dya think im eatin pasta all day long ffs? I eat 50 g in one meal and get 180 carbs to go toward my daily caloric intake- if i was looking for vitamins and minerals i wouldnt be looking for it in pasta!

    Eat Mars Bars so. All carbs are the same apparently so eat away. Actually scrub that, drink about 6 pints instead.

    This forums not great for advice only one person answered my question the rest either misread post or are misguided!

    Thanks!
    I spose i knew i was misguided. My diet knowledge is sketchy at best. I'll freely admit it. I didnt know that Transform's was though. So i'll ignore his advice from now on, and listen to yours. Who's with me?

    Transform, i think you'd better change your nick on this board. Your rep is now in tatters...

    ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,686 ✭✭✭RealistSpy


    Brown rice + red saurce
    Pasta :)
    Brochli
    Spinich - when cooked right
    etc African organic foods :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,015 ✭✭✭rccaulfield


    RealistSpy wrote: »
    Brown rice + red saurce
    Pasta :)
    Brochli
    Spinich - when cooked right
    etc African organic foods :)

    Cool- cheers mate!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,015 ✭✭✭rccaulfield


    Transform wrote: »
    did i answer your question - yes, BBC site is excellent for food ideas and OBSERVER new paper site is good also.

    You posted up nothing but a few quotes and discussion points - if you want to make a point then use published peer reviewed studies.

    Trying to 'teach' me about diet is a little unkind seeing as i have proved myself worthy to listen to a few times on this forum.

    Overall, trans fats and hydrogenated fats are to be avoided at all costs. Saturated fats however do not deserve the bad press they get and there is no evidence that saturated fats from butter, meat, eggs etc are harmful to health (obviously burning the fat through overcooking is a different ball game).

    Finally, a few convincers (was not at my own pc earlier)

    Recently the Journal of the America Medical Association (JAMA) published a study in which 50,000 women between 50-79years of age. They concluded that:
    “Decreased fat and increased fruit and vegetables and grains did not decrease the risk of CVD”

    There is also a false belief that eating fat is bad for our heart. In 2003 The British Medical Journal did a fourteen year study and found:
    “There is no support for dietary fat/cholesterol and risk of stroke in men”

    Now please provide some papers for me and i will listen but outside of a study with 50,000 women and a 14 year study you are not going to find ANYTHING more convincing that saturated fat is not evil

    I'm off to have some butter with smoked salmon on 4 oatcakes- protein, fat and low GI carbs

    Nice retreat ..lol!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,015 ✭✭✭rccaulfield


    slemons wrote: »
    Eat Mars Bars so. All carbs are the same apparently so eat away. Actually scrub that, drink about 6 pints instead

    ;)

    Nope! All calories are not created equal. If a calorie were just a calorie, then any two
    diets at the same calorie level would have the same effects on your body composition
    regardless of their macronutrient profile. If a calorie was just a calorie, then a 2400-
    calorie diet of 100% sugar would have the same effect as a 2400-calorie diet of 100%
    lean protein - but it doesn't! “Junk foods” have little or no nutritional value and they
    don’t boost your metabolism. That’s why they’re also called “empty calories.” You
    simply cannot eat “junk foods” on a regular daily basis and expect to get good results.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 532 ✭✭✭slemons


    Oh thats interesting. Can you expand on that a little? Macronutrient profile?
    What would you consider 'empty calories'?

    It'd be cool if you could maybe give some examples.
    Thanks!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,394 ✭✭✭Transform


    RETREAT??

    I am being nice as pie right now so explain to me how i am retreating please.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,386 ✭✭✭✭rubadub


    Transform wrote: »
    RETREAT??

    I am being nice as pie right now so explain to me how i am retreating please.
    I think it was a typo and meant to be "retort".

    Typo in your sig BTW, achieve ;)


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,015 ✭✭✭rccaulfield


    rubadub wrote: »
    I think it was a typo and meant to be "retort".

    Typo in your sig BTW, achieve ;)

    Nah retreats just fine:) If ur man wants to push what works for him or thinks works for him on other people thats his problem- unfortunately fitness and nutrition is a mans(womans) own business-so hes kinda like a born again christian type forcing his way on other people.
    These kind dont realise that yea theyrs fundamentals that will never change but there's also different body types etc etc , different peoples reactions to insulin(or carbs or sugar) different mindsets towards food and different reactions to fats and so on.
    So i'll say the same thing i say to the religious nuts at the door- I dont care how defensive you are- how cud you know!
    Anyway the thread proved useful despite the odd one who refuses to accept that we are not all clones and just cos one person thrives on a certain diet we all shud( circa 1981).
    The wife went over and bought me a nice tin of chopped tomatoes today for the pasta= a lovely meal to burn the fat feed the muscle was had!
    Well done Robbie Keane tonight-we'r still in it!!:D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,015 ✭✭✭rccaulfield


    slemons wrote: »
    Oh thats interesting. Can you expand on that a little? Macronutrient profile?
    What would you consider 'empty calories'?

    It'd be cool if you could maybe give some examples.
    Thanks!

    Pm me ur email address i'll email ya a gud book that lotsa good dedicated people been workin off-ur man waters on youtubes a good example of it- basically a spread of 50% carbs 35% protein and 15% good fats is a decent ratio in your 6 meal day plan for fat loss-ya gotta factor your total daily caloric expenditure aswell as from your weight and bf% your Lean body mass. also i use zig zagging the calorie intake to boost metabolism and carb tapering during the day which works very well for me!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,137 ✭✭✭c montgomery


    So is pasta bad for you???
    Currently trying to lose a bit of a belly but eat 3 pasta based meals a week consisting of 200g pasta per serving.
    Is this counter productive??I always considered pasta a healthy food.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 532 ✭✭✭slemons


    Pm me ur email address i'll email ya a gud book that lotsa good dedicated people been workin off-ur man waters on youtubes a good example of it- basically a spread of 50% carbs 35% protein and 15% good fats is a decent ratio in your 6 meal day plan for fat loss-ya gotta factor your total daily caloric expenditure aswell as from your weight and bf% your Lean body mass. also i use zig zagging the calorie intake to boost metabolism and carb tapering during the day which works very well for me!

    rofl
    Its worse than i thought...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 532 ✭✭✭slemons


    So is pasta bad for you???
    Currently trying to lose a bit of a belly but eat 3 pasta based meals a week consisting of 200g pasta per serving.
    Is this counter productive??I always considered pasta a healthy food.

    In a word, yes.

    Ditch it immediately. Especially for weight loss.
    Instead of all those horrible, useless, processed carbs that sicken my stomach even thinking about them, you could eat a tonne of broccoli salad with almonds, oil and cottage cheese. Or whatever similiar you have

    Pasta as a health food is a common misconception, mainly touted due to high performance athletes like Phelps and Paul O Connell living off the stuff.
    But these guys also train very, very hard every day and need the extra empty calories. However I've heard rumours of some top rugby players with Type 2 Diabetes

    Its all a question of whether you want to be the best you can be or just do better than you did before.

    Go with pasta if thats your thing, it wont kill you.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,394 ✭✭✭Transform


    rubadub wrote: »
    I think it was a typo and meant to be "retort".

    Typo in your sig BTW, achieve ;)
    mother of god how did i not see that - cheers


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,394 ✭✭✭Transform


    Pm me ur email address i'll email ya a gud book that lotsa good dedicated people been workin off-ur man waters on youtubes a good example of it- basically a spread of 50% carbs 35% protein and 15% good fats is a decent ratio in your 6 meal day plan for fat loss-ya gotta factor your total daily caloric expenditure aswell as from your weight and bf% your Lean body mass. also i use zig zagging the calorie intake to boost metabolism and carb tapering during the day which works very well for me!
    oh my god that just put a smile on my face.

    well off i go to try to convert a few more with my silly and unfounded beliefs. sorry for taking up your time and hope you have more success in your diet and training


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 532 ✭✭✭slemons


    Transform wrote: »
    oh my god that just put a smile on my face.
    I know man. lol


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 636 ✭✭✭Heineken Helen


    slemons wrote: »

    Whats wrong with saturated fat? Its great stuff.
    Coconut oil is 70% saturated. And its very spreadable. Of course you knew that and that medium chain triglycerides can enter the Krebs cycle as a fuel source with relative ease meaning that coconuts are a super food. All the benefits of fats, plus a source of fuel.

    That's good to know :) I recently made a chicken dish with a tin of tomatoes and half a tin of coconut milk for the sauce... and some herbs and spices of course... and plenty of garlic :) it was absolutely delish.

    And OP... I had it with rice ;)

    Another one I made was chicken with basil and lime in creme fraiche... it was yummy too.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 636 ✭✭✭Heineken Helen


    slemons wrote: »
    In a word, yes.

    Ditch it immediately. Especially for weight loss.
    Instead of all those horrible, useless, processed carbs that sicken my stomach even thinking about them, you could eat a tonne of broccoli salad with almonds, oil and cottage cheese. Or whatever similiar you have

    That sounds really really nice... what kinda oil? Or how important is oil and what oil you choose these days? I still use olive oil for everything... is it still good or have they changed their minds on that?:D


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