Rory Best injury - Collar Bone

overshoot · 02-10-2011 1:20pm

GerM wrote: »

Andy Kyriacou is definitely an option that people are forgetting. I think it would be Sherry though.

i though of him at first too but personally i dont think he has been at the level he was at in his debut ulster season, playing ireland A etc. i think ireland may be in trouble here. Best has been on flying form and its a definate step down to Cronin. (iv good hope for the future for him but he is a work in progress) unfortunately though it is a big step again to the next man. its annoying that ireland have good cover for almost the entire squad but the front row is the one place where there is such a gap between 1st and 2nd choice. (or at least when we are minus flannery too)

personally i think varley probably has to be the go to guy here, only one with full caps and there isnt much between whats left

Medkaren · 02-10-2011 1:26pm

What exactly did cronin do wrong today? Made all his line outs the only one he didn't was because donnacha Ryan let it go through his grasp but the timing was good. Also had a good scrum carried and tackled well.. I think he's come on leaps and bounds since this time last year and think he'll be our no 1 before long

RoryMc23 · 02-10-2011 1:32pm

I'm pretty sure Flavin will be called up.

conf101 · 02-10-2011 1:32pm

Someone on Twitter saying that Strauss is now eligible. Wonder if he's a possibility. Don't think that a call out to the WC is the ideal time to be bringing him into the Irish squad. Could be pretty unsettling for everyone.

I say this as a big Strauss fan btw

GerM · 02-10-2011 1:34pm

Medkaren wrote: »

What exactly did cronin do wrong today? Made all his line outs the only one he didn't was because donnacha Ryan let it go through his grasp but the timing was good. Also had a good scrum carried and tackled well.. I think he's come on leaps and bounds since this time last year and think he'll be our no 1 before long

25 minutes can't dispel what we've all seen and known for a long time. He's very mobile, fantastic carrier and decent at the breakdown for a front row player. However, his throwing is dubious and our scrum is significantly weaker with him on the field. Best is miles ahead of him and will be a huge loss if confirmed. Cronin right now will struggle a fair bit to be the number one at his province let alone his country.

GerM · 02-10-2011 1:34pm

conf101 wrote: »

Someone on Twitter saying that Strauss is now eligible. Wonder if he's a possibility. Don't think that a call out to the WC is the ideal time to be bringing him into the Irish squad. Could be pretty unsettling for everyone.

I say this as a big Strauss fan btw

They're wrong. Strauss isn't eligible until autumn 2012.

Fireball07 · 02-10-2011 1:34pm

conf101 wrote: »

Someone on Twitter saying that Strauss is now eligible. Wonder if he's a possibility. Don't think that a call out to the WC is the ideal time to be bringing him into the Irish squad. Could be pretty unsettling for everyone.

I say this as a big Strauss fan btw

People say a lot of things on Twitter.

If he's the best choice, then he should be called up. But I don't think he's eligible...

phog · 02-10-2011 1:35pm

conf101 wrote: »

Someone on Twitter saying that Strauss is now eligible. Wonder if he's a possibility. Don't think that a call out to the WC is the ideal time to be bringing him into the Irish squad. Could be pretty unsettling for everyone.

I say this as a big Strauss fan btw

Not a hope of it, even if he is eligible. Nothing against him but he has ever been in camp with the irish squad and I'd hope a couple of the other lads must surely have been or played Churchill Cup.

Flincher · 02-10-2011 1:41pm

That's a real pity if Best is out, he's played some excellent rugby over the last few weeks.

Sherry would be the next choice. He has been solid this season, but the chances are he won't be called upon if he does fly out, so its probably academic enough.

I don't think there's a lot between Cronin and Varley. I'd probably go for Cronin based on his familiarity and experience with the squad, Varley hasn't had the same involvement.

The main advantage Varley has is his ability to win turnovers and, he very regularly wins penalties on the deck for Munster, and that might be something the coaches will look at, especially considering how strong Warburton is on the ground.

tonedef · 02-10-2011 1:41pm

Not trying to derail the discussion but has anyone seen any other sources on the story that Best was taken to hospital other than Planet Rugby?

It's a wonder RTE or the BBC haven't picked up on this story yet, I mean the game finished a couple of hours ago at this stage

copacetic · 02-10-2011 1:46pm

tonedef wrote: »

Not trying to derail the discussion but has anyone seen any other sources on the story that Best was taken to hospital other than Planet Rugby?

It's a wonder RTE or the BBC haven't picked up on this story yet, I mean the game finished a couple of hours ago at this stage

Rte tweeted it looked like he might have to go for scan on shoulder, it's the middle of night there though so it won't be reported until there are actual facts in the morning I'd imagine.

.ak · 02-10-2011 1:54pm

Fingers crossed it's just a bad knock?

scriba · 02-10-2011 3:00pm

Watching the replay on TG4 a while ago, it looked bad. Italian tackler's head seemed to go straight into the collar bone area. But fingers crossed. As others have said, to lose two players in the same position of such calibre would be very unfortunate. He's definitely needed against the Welsh.

If not, then step up Seán Cronin, and we'll see what you've got.

Lord Trollington · 02-10-2011 3:16pm

Just seen tweet there from Tony Leen (Irish Examiner sports editor) saying he has a reliable team source in NZ that says best is 99% certain to be out of the Q-Final of the World Cup.

Also stated in another tweet that his collar bone is gone and the front row issues may not end there.....

What we can read into that is anyones guess.

02-10-2011 3:20pm

whycliff wrote: »

Just seen tweet there from Tony Leen (Irish Examiner sports editor) saying he has a reliable team source in NZ that says best is 99% certain to be out of the Q-Final of the World Cup.

@tonyleen Tony Leen wrote:

Very reliable team source in New Zealand tells me "99% certain" Rory Best is out of World Cup q final with shoulder injury. Mike Sherry?

puke

Fireball07 · 02-10-2011 3:23pm

whycliff wrote: »

Just seen tweet there from Tony Leen (Irish Examiner sports editor) saying he has a reliable team source in NZ that says best is 99% certain to be out of the Q-Final of the World Cup.

Also stated in another tweet that his collar bone is gone and the front row issues may not end there.....

What we can read into that is anyones guess.

Noooooo

Lord Trollington · 02-10-2011 3:24pm

Deleted User wrote: »

puke

It gets worse:

@tonuleen:
@PPaudioteam Collarbone gone, tournament over I'm afraid. And the front row issues may not end there.....

Fireball07 · 02-10-2011 3:27pm

whycliff wrote: »

It gets worse:

@tonuleen:
@PPaudioteam Collarbone gone, tournament over I'm afraid. And the front row issues may not end there.....

:eek:

Picassso · 02-10-2011 3:27pm

most unfortunate for Ireland
Best has been performing like a lion, a lion in his prime, ravaging all before him.

ambid · 02-10-2011 3:28pm

whycliff wrote: »

Just seen tweet there from Tony Leen (Irish Examiner sports editor) saying he has a reliable team source in NZ that says best is 99% certain to be out of the Q-Final of the World Cup.

Also stated in another tweet that his collar bone is gone and the front row issues may not end there.....

What we can read into that is anyones guess.

What a nightmare.

Taking on Wales would have been 50/50 anyway but without Best, Wales would probably be favourites. Ireland still perform best as underdog.

If it is true, at least the coaches would have a full week to work with Cronin practicing lineouts and scrums. It would be worse to lose a player late in the week.

*straining to see a bright side*

padser · 02-10-2011 3:28pm

whycliff wrote: »

Deleted User wrote: »

puke

It gets worse:

@tonuleen:
@PPaudioteam Collarbone gone, tournament over I'm afraid. And the front row issues may not end there.....

It was insane that Kidmey didn't make a raft of changes on 60 given we were 20 points clear (he waited until 70) - I know he couldnt have replaced everyone but getting some of them off the pitch for the last 20 given the chances the Italian discipline would go seemed like a no brainer tbh

02-10-2011 3:28pm

who's the other worry!?

ughghghghg

Picassso · 02-10-2011 3:31pm

padser wrote: »

It was insane that Kidmey didn't make a raft of changes on 60 given we were 20 points clear (he waited until 70) - I know he couldnt have replaced everyone but getting some of them off the pitch for the last 20 given the chances the Italian discipline would go seemed like a no brainer tbh

Relax dude
he took POC off, he took BOD off
you cant wrap everyone in cotton wool
this is a feature of tournament rugby
you lose players to injury
ireland have been coasting up to now

Lord Trollington · 02-10-2011 3:33pm

Deleted User wrote: »

who's the other worry!?

ughghghghg

Can only be Cian Healy or Ross with best already allegedly gone.

If 2 of our front row are missing, we talking about a mammoth performance to beat the welsh.

Cypher_sounds · 02-10-2011 3:34pm

padser wrote: »

It was insane that Kidmey didn't make a raft of changes on 60 given we were 20 points clear (he waited until 70) - I know he couldnt have replaced everyone but getting some of them off the pitch for the last 20 given the chances the Italian discipline would go seemed like a no brainer tbh

Well that wouldn't have mattered anyway because best went off on 53 minutes so you cant be blaming the management that he wasn't taken off at 60 because he was already gone by then and O Connell was taken off on 59 mins.

Picassso · 02-10-2011 3:38pm

If we need to play tony buckley for any amount of time against wales we are well and truly cooked.
Cooked i say.

ambid · 02-10-2011 3:47pm

Picassso wrote: »

Relax dude
he took POC off, he took BOD off
you cant wrap everyone in cotton wool
this is a feature of tournament rugby
you lose players to injury
ireland have been coasting up to now

Good point that DK can't wrap everybody in cotton wool. He can't guess who will get injured, and Best is a senior player who we needed to guide the ship home.

However we've not exactly been coasting with injuries - we have lost two first team team starters (Flannery & Wallace), and had two more struggling (POC and Darcy) even before this Best injury. That's five senior players either out or carrying injuries, plus a sixth (Jones) who is a talented squad player. That is more than our fair share.

Picassso · 02-10-2011 3:58pm

Flannery granted is a big loss, on and off the field
Wallace also - altho he would not have been in starting 15
POC has picked up a slight knock - nothing too major, precautionary resting, he'll be fine
Darcy seems to be back motoring
Adding Feliz to the list is a bit of a stretch tho - prob 6th choice FB, just before Girvan Dempsey / Gavin Duffy

danthefan · 02-10-2011 4:01pm

Picassso wrote: »

Wallace also - altho he would not have been in starting 15

Actually I think he would have been. He's a big loss but the backrow today is easily our strongest.

Monty Burnz · 02-10-2011 4:03pm

Picassso wrote: »

Flannery granted is a big loss, on and off the field
Wallace also - altho he would not have been in starting 15

I wouldn't be sure about that at all.

Picassso wrote: »

Adding Feliz to the list is a bit of a stretch tho - prob 6th choice FB, just before Girvan Dempsey / Gavin Duffy

Is this a wind-up or what? :eek:

overshoot · 02-10-2011 4:04pm

would flannery have been ahead of Best, Best is/was on the form of his life and neither have really been head and shoulders above the other in the last couple of years.
i think jones might have gone to the world cup but murphy i reckon is the better option. too early for jones

SuprSi · 02-10-2011 4:04pm

If this news is true, it's put a real dampener on the result. Best has been brilliant for the team, always well up there in the ratings. Losing him, while obviously not as bad as losing SOB/Ross/Healy/etc, is still a big blow and will definitely have a major impact on how we play against Wales.

ambid · 02-10-2011 4:09pm

Picassso wrote: »

Flannery granted is a big loss, on and off the field
Wallace also - altho he would not have been in starting 15
POC has picked up a slight knock - nothing too major, precautionary resting, he'll be fine
Darcy seems to be back motoring
Adding Feliz to the list is a bit of a stretch tho - prob 6th choice FB, just before Girvan Dempsey / Gavin Duffy

Think we'll have to disagree on that

RachaelVO · 02-10-2011 4:14pm

Tweeted an hour ago by Tony Leen, Irish Examiner sports editor:

Very reliable team source in New Zealand tells me "99% certain" Rory Best is out of World Cup q final with shoulder injury. Mike Sherry?

And

Collarbone gone, tournament over I'm afraid. And the front row issues may not end there.....

nkay1985 · 02-10-2011 4:18pm

This is really awful news and, if true about the other front row worries, could spell disaster for us. I've been critical of Best in the past but he's been excellent in the tournament so far. Would be a terrible thing to happen to the chap.

Let's just hope it's not as bad as feared.

GerM · 02-10-2011 4:25pm

Ross and Healy were both on the pitch after the final whistle for photos so no injury can be that bad hopefully. Healy, who was taken off with 8 minutes left, looked to be in great spirits and did a lap, applauding the fans.

Brewster · 02-10-2011 4:27pm

Terrible news if true. I have championed Rory for years on here and elsewhere and always maintained he was our most complete hooker. I am delighted he was finally getting the credit he richly deserved. This is just awful news for Irish and Ulster rugby as he will be out the game for some time. Hoping against hope that someone has got their wires crossed somewhere.

jk86 · 02-10-2011 4:27pm

Collarbone gone, tournament over I'm afraid. And the front row issues may not end there.....

What the hell does that mean?? I won't be able to sleep now...

padser · 02-10-2011 4:29pm

ambid wrote: »

Picassso wrote: »

Good point that DK can't wrap everybody in cotton wool. He can't guess who will get injured, and Best is a senior player who we needed to guide the ship home.
.

It's not a question of guessing who will get injured - it's about being sensible with your key players once Italy were beaten.

Im open to correction on exact timings as I havnt re watched the match, but from memory we were 20 points up with 60 mins gone and 4 of our 7 subs were still on the bench with 70 mins gone.

That's not good player management in anyones book.

EDIT: just so it's clear, I'm not saying that the best injury could have been avoided - just that kidney was slow to get key players off the park

GerM · 02-10-2011 4:35pm

Have to tend to agree. Why is someone like BOD left on the pitch when we're winning 26-6 until the 74th minute? And Healy, who had treatment again today after recovering from a damaged eye 2 weeks ago left on until the 72nd? Just seems really pushing it.

danthefan · 02-10-2011 4:37pm

GerM wrote: »

Have to tend to agree. Why is someone like BOD left on the pitch when we're winning 26-6 until the 74th minute? And Healy, who had treatment again today after recovering from a damaged eye 2 weeks ago left on until the 72nd? Just seems really pushing it.

Was it the same eye even?

RachaelVO · 02-10-2011 4:51pm

jk86 wrote: »

What the hell does that mean?? I won't be able to sleep now...

I dunno, but loads of people have asked him, haven't seen a reply het.

Brewster · 02-10-2011 5:02pm

GerM wrote: »

Have to tend to agree. Why is someone like BOD left on the pitch when we're winning 26-6 until the 74th minute? And Healy, who had treatment again today after recovering from a damaged eye 2 weeks ago left on until the 72nd? Just seems really pushing it.

When you have someone of Trimble's ability on bench it is all the more surprising..

peterireland · 02-10-2011 5:20pm

Could be an issue with Sean Cronin, he took a big blow around 70 mins, rib or something?

Monty Burnz · 02-10-2011 5:26pm

peterireland wrote: »

Could be an issue with Sean Cronin, he took a big blow around 70 mins, rib or something?

I'd actually rather that than lose Ross or Healy.

padraig.od · 02-10-2011 5:31pm

Could be a citing rather than an injury?

Monty Burnz · 02-10-2011 5:37pm

padraig.od wrote: »

Could be a citing rather than an injury?

They might cite Healy for attacking Ghiraldini's fingers with his eyes. Or for smacking Bergamasco's fist with his nose.

padraig.od · 02-10-2011 5:40pm

Monty Burnz wrote: »

They might cite Healy for attacking Ghiraldini's fingers with his eyes. Or for smacking Bergamasco's fist with his nose.

he's got a vicious head

overshoot · 02-10-2011 5:50pm

http://www.irishtimes.com/sports/rugby/2011/1002/1224305134835.html
another link but still no definate he is out

Brewster · 02-10-2011 6:09pm

overshoot wrote: »

http://www.irishtimes.com/sports/rugby/2011/1002/1224305134835.html
another link but still no definate he is out

Won't be confirmed till later tonight I'd imagine, Monday morning in NZ.

:(

Rory Best injury - Collar Bone

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