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Rangers FC lodge papers to go into administration

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  • #32
    bobmalooka
    Registered Users Posts: 1,521 ✭✭✭bobmalooka


    stovelid wrote: »
    Dunno what the laughing is for. Without Rangers around, Celtic will be even more pants in Europe with only the rest of the fodder in the league to routinely hammer.

    Plus Celtic without Rangers would be like atheism without believers. Your very essence depends on being sanctimoniously measured against The Dark Other.

    It'll force the spl to make long term restructuring to the benefit of the scottish game.

    For too long the SPL has relied on the 'old firm' to get people interested forcing other fans to lose interest in their local teams. The scots dont get the same hard on for the english game us irish do so with the right changes they can grow their domestic game.


  • #33
    KeithAFC
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,239 ✭✭✭✭KeithAFC


    bobmalooka wrote: »
    It'll force the spl to make long term restructuring to the benefit of the scottish game.

    For too long the SPL has relied on the 'old firm' to get people interested forcing other fans to lose interest in their local teams. The scots dont get the same hard on for the english game us irish do so with the right changes they can grow their domestic game.
    The other clubs don't have enough fans. So you can have 16 teams or 20 teams and so on, will not make a bit of difference.


  • #34
    Coillte_Bhoy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,909 ✭✭✭Coillte_Bhoy


    stovelid wrote: »

    Plus Celtic without Rangers would be like atheism without believers. Your very essence depends on being sanctimoniously measured against The Dark Other.

    What utter bull****. You have no idea of what it means to be a celtic fan


  • #35
    Eirebear
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,014 ✭✭✭Eirebear


    Revolution9 wrote: »
    Eirebear wrote: »
    They've been singing about "having a party when the June go bust" for the last couple of weeks.

    the June:confused:
    Lol, phone didn't like the word "huns"


  • #36
    bobmalooka
    Registered Users Posts: 1,521 ✭✭✭bobmalooka


    KeithAFC wrote: »
    The other clubs don't have enough fans. So you can have 16 teams or 20 teams and so on, will not make a bit of difference.

    It wont work overnight Keith but removing the 'old firm' obsession from scottish football will eventually get more fans through the turnstiles of a lot of smaller clubs.

    No matter where you are in Scotland if you follow football you are either Rangers or Celtic 'orientated', the next generation of fans will be more inclined to follow their local club if there was no more 'old firm'.


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  • #37
    Dempsey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,553 ✭✭✭✭Dempsey


    KeithAFC wrote: »
    The other clubs don't have enough fans. So you can have 16 teams or 20 teams and so on, will not make a bit of difference.

    That makes no sense and flies in the face of the proposals outlined


  • #38
    MrStuffins
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,256 ✭✭✭✭MrStuffins


    stovelid wrote: »
    Dunno what the laughing is for. Without Rangers around, Celtic will be even more pants in Europe with only the rest of the fodder in the league to routinely hammer.

    Plus Celtic without Rangers would be like atheism without believers. Your very essence depends on being sanctimoniously measured against The Dark Other.
    Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »
    What utter bull****. You have no idea of what it means to be a celtic fan

    Or an atheist by the looks of things!


  • #39
    karma_
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,798 ✭✭✭karma_


    MrStuffins wrote: »
    Or an atheist by the looks of things!

    Well played, well played.


  • #40
    KeithAFC
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,239 ✭✭✭✭KeithAFC


    MrStuffins wrote: »
    Or an atheist by the looks of things!
    :pac: Yeah.


  • #41
    bohsman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,881 ✭✭✭bohsman


    bobmalooka wrote: »
    It wont work overnight Keith but removing the 'old firm' obsession from scottish football will eventually get more fans through the turnstiles of a lot of smaller clubs.

    No matter where you are in Scotland if you follow football you are either Rangers or Celtic 'orientated', the next generation of fans will be more inclined to follow their local club if there was no more 'old firm'.

    The short to medium term where clubs lose several large gate incomes a season will do a hell of a lot of damage first though as well as sponsorship and TV deals suffering.


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  • #42
    Bobeagleburger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,734 ✭✭✭✭Bobeagleburger


    It's Andy Goram I feel sorry for. How is he going to break the news to himself?!


  • #43
    ColeTrain
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,681 ✭✭✭ColeTrain


    Whyte has told SSN that the tax bill could be upwards of 75million :pac:

    If that's the case then liquidation is looking very likely.


  • #44
    stovelid
    Closed Accounts Posts: 27,252 ✭✭✭✭stovelid


    MrStuffins wrote: »
    Or an atheist by the looks of things!

    It's a valid analogy.

    The few sea lion laughs that your answer elicited from people - that probably can't formulate their own worthwhile replies - notwithstanding.


  • #45
    Dempsey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,553 ✭✭✭✭Dempsey


    http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11781/7519143/Whyte-Long-time-coming
    "There is no realistic or practical alternative to our approach as HMRC has made it plain to the club that should we be successful in the forthcoming tax tribunal decision, they will 'appeal, appeal and appeal again' the decision.

    "This would leave the club facing years of uncertainty and also having to pay immediately a range of liabilities to HMRC.

    "Even if the club were to succeed in the tax tribunal, it would still face substantial liabilities. Zero liability will not happen.

    "Whilst it appears that a consensual restructuring looks unlikely outside of a formal insolvency procedure, the above steps, if agreement cannot be reached with HMRC, will bring an end to the legacy threat of closure and will provide stability required to enable the required investment to be made into the future of the club.

    "I can, however, reassure Rangers supporters that the club will continue and can emerge as a stronger and financially fitter organisation that will compete at the levels of competition our fans have come to expect."

    HMRC want their money!


  • #46
    woodoo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,219 ✭✭✭woodoo


    Badly managed over the last 10 years by the looks of it.


  • #47
    Dempsey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,553 ✭✭✭✭Dempsey


    woodoo wrote: »
    Badly managed over the last 10 years by the looks of it.

    August 4, 1997 ;)


  • #48
    dartbhoy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,328 ✭✭✭dartbhoy


    Watched the STV 6 00 news this evening and they showed a clip of Whyte announcing about the intention to go into administration. He was greeted by a hostile bunch of rangers fans! 1 question I'd like the answer to is did Whyte know 100% what was ahead of him when he took over the club? He has some job on his hands now to turn this club around from it's current position!


  • #49
    Jelle1880
    Registered Users Posts: 9,839 ✭✭✭Jelle1880


    He always knew that this was a possible outcome, he said so himself.


  • #50
    bobbysands81
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,213 ✭✭✭bobbysands81


    rarnes1 wrote: »
    It's Andy Goram I feel sorry for. How is he going to break the news to himself?!

    Gazza is going to break it to him with a can of lager, some chicken, fishing rod, a Newcastle shirt and a dressing gown.


  • #51
    dartbhoy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,328 ✭✭✭dartbhoy


    Jelle1880 wrote: »
    He always knew that this was a possible outcome, he said so himself.
    Fair enough but in hindsight was the man mad to take over a club that was in such a poor financial position?


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  • #52
    bobbysands81
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,213 ✭✭✭bobbysands81


    Jelle1880 wrote: »
    He always knew that this was a possible outcome, he said so himself.

    He bloody well engineered it intentionally.

    Seriously Jelle, and I said it before on here, how come a club that can't afford it's day to day running costs can afford to put it's more sellable players on long term contracts paying them £15m more and paying agents £1m?

    Answer: Because he knew that Rangers would have gone not admin by then and he'd get a good price for them.


  • #53
    A Dub in Glasgo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,278 ✭✭✭✭A Dub in Glasgo


    This is what I posted in the Rangers thread in October 2011

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=75077885#post75077885

    'It looks very likely that Mr Whyte will put Rangers into Administration if they lose their 'water tight' case against the taxman. Whyte is in the media saying 'Rangers are in crisis'.

    The current 10 point gap over Celtic seems to be allowing their next move'


  • #54
    dartbhoy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,328 ✭✭✭dartbhoy


    bobbysands81 wrote: »
    He bloody well engineered it intentionally.

    Seriously Jelle, and I said it before on here, how come a club that can't afford it's day to day running costs can afford to put it's more sellable players on long term contracts paying them £15m more and paying agents £1m?

    Answer: Because he knew that Rangers would have gone not admin by then and he'd get a good price for them.
    Well judging by the scenes outside Ibrox this evening the fans smell a rat with Whyte IMO. Why would anyone want to take over any football club in such a dire financial position in the first place? Certainly your answer Bobby makes a lot of sense.


  • #55
    bobmalooka
    Registered Users Posts: 1,521 ✭✭✭bobmalooka


    dartbhoy wrote: »
    Well judging by the scenes outside Ibrox this evening the fans smell a rat with Whyte IMO. Why would anyone want to take over any football club in such a dire financial position in the first place? Certainly your answer Bobby makes a lot of sense.

    Speaking to my boss earlier (accountant) and he reckons there is a possibility Whyte could make a fortune out of this, there is just so much money unaccounted for.

    Where exactly has the money for the season tickets gone?

    How did this guy get approved for ownership.


  • #56
    bobbysands81
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,213 ✭✭✭bobbysands81


    bobmalooka wrote: »
    Speaking to my boss earlier (accountant) and he reckons there is a possibility Whyte could make a fortune out of this, there is just so much money unaccounted for.

    Where exactly has the money for the season tickets gone?

    How did this guy get approved for ownership.

    Most importantly, if Rangers go into liquidation, as long as Whyte can hold onto Ibrox then he can lay claim Rangers 2012 who will be debt free and worth feckin millions on their day of inception.


  • #57
    mikeym
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,985 ✭✭✭mikeym


    I wonder will the Rangers fans stand by the club and keep going to the matches because when they played Dundee Utd Ibrox was half empty.


  • #58
    Eirebear
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,014 ✭✭✭Eirebear


    mikeym wrote: »
    I wonder will the Rangers fans stand by the club and keep going to the matches because when they played Dundee Utd Ibrox was half empty.

    3 years ago against DUFC in a similar cup game, we got a similar crowd.

    Don't read too much into that.


  • #59
    ItsAWindUp
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,325 ✭✭✭ItsAWindUp


    Kind of sad to see it happen to any club


  • #60
    MrStuffins
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,256 ✭✭✭✭MrStuffins


    stovelid wrote: »
    It's a valid analogy.

    The few sea lion laughs that your answer elicited from people - that probably can't formulate their own worthwhile replies - notwithstanding.

    No it's not!

    Atheism is lack of belief in God.

    it depends on others believing in God just as much as me not believing Superman is real is dependant on people who actually think he's a real person!

    You're analogy is bad!


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  • #61
    Beefy78
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,166 ✭✭✭Beefy78


    ColeTrain wrote: »
    Whyte has told SSN that the tax bill could be upwards of 75million :pac:

    If that's the case then liquidation is looking very likely.

    No it does, it makes administration very likely, at which point the tax liabilitiy will almost certainly got substantially reduced.


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