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Investigations

  • 16-05-2013 5:37pm
    #1
    Riamfada
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,246 ✭✭✭✭


    Is there anyone out there doing or interested in doing a non group led investigation. The type of thing we used to do where someone would book a location and a group of strangers would all meet up and go looking for ghosts.

    PLEASE


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  • #2
    maccored
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,714 ✭✭✭✭maccored


    Cant say we do. We're still doing that old fashioned thing where someone ring ups up, asks for a bit of help and then you go and see if you can answer any questions for them.


  • #3
    Riamfada
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,246 ✭✭✭✭Riamfada


    Essentially what I'm looking for is a non affiliated group of like minded people doing independent paranormal research at the same time in the same location with the possibility of tea,coffee and paranormal chat.

    Do Charleville castle or Ross Castle still cater for unsupervised groups. I dont want to have to be lead by a ghostbuster, I just want to sit in the dark, ask stupid questions to an empty room and eat penguin bars.

    Anyone else?


  • #4
    maccored
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,714 ✭✭✭✭maccored


    you should check out carlow shopping centre. well - i dont knoe if it would have the scare appeal, but theres something very strnge about that place. its a pity superquinn wont let anyone into their place after lockup - next time im in there at night I'm putting as many recording devices as possible outside superquinn. still havent figured out what was going on the last time.


  • #5
    Riamfada
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,246 ✭✭✭✭Riamfada


    I always wanted to do Carlow shopping center. Ive done a few radio interviews about ghosts in the place but never actually been in it. Cheers maccored for the tip


  • #6
    maccored
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,714 ✭✭✭✭maccored


    check out the contact details at http://www.carlowshoppingcentre.com/; and give him a buzz - John is the centre managers name. Let me know, cus I'd go (if only to set up recorders around superquinn and nothing else)


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  • #7
    leddpipe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 513 ✭✭✭leddpipe


    sound good


  • #8
    jessabell88
    Closed Accounts Posts: 51 ✭✭jessabell88


    I'd actually really like that too!


  • #9
    Milly33
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,657 ✭✭✭Milly33


    Riamfada wrote: »
    Essentially what I'm looking for is a non affiliated group of like minded people doing independent paranormal research at the same time in the same location with the possibility of tea,coffee and paranormal chat.

    Do Charleville castle or Ross Castle still cater for unsupervised groups. I dont want to have to be lead by a ghostbuster, I just want to sit in the dark, ask stupid questions to an empty room and eat penguin bars.

    Anyone else?

    Haha Id be like you. We went on one with a ghost team and while it was nice one ruined it but doing stupid things so I gave up. I even enjoy just going to see the buildings as most of them are quite funky. You can book Ross Castle and that for private parties, we have talked about it many times to see if we would head up with a group of friends. I would be interested in going on them tis just to set it up. We are suppose to head somewhere in Cork tom to have a look around


  • #10
    celica00
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 880 ✭✭✭celica00


    i d love to do this but im down in cork :( ?


  • #11
    Urizen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,354 ✭✭✭Urizen


    You know I'd be up for it, and I know a couple of others that would too. It's a shame that these things never actually come to fruition though.

    I'd actually love it though. Consider me an indefinite yes; I'll damn well make time whenever I need to.


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  • #12
    Milly33
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,657 ✭✭✭Milly33


    celica00 wrote: »
    i d love to do this but im down in cork :( ?


    Sure aren't I in Cork too..I can give you a email sometime if you like if we are heading off anywhere..

    We took a trip to St.Kevins at the weekend but could not get in anywhere all was well boarded up but tis nice to even walk around the buildings good place to take a few pics..

    But we were talking after about Ross Castle in Meath, we went before with a Ghost hunt group which was good except for one member of team ruining it for us but you can rent it out completely, might be worth a shot sometime, if we ever start planning ill be sure to let ye know


  • #13
    Riamfada
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,246 ✭✭✭✭Riamfada


    I would book Ross Castle no problem. Id deal with the owners and make payment. The only thing would be that people who have to pay in advance. The last two times I organised Ross for groups (of people I know) loads of people pulled out on the day and I had to foot the entire bill.

    If anyone really is interested Ill do the booking but deposits via paypal in advance! Minimum of 10 people in order to book Ross but to be honest you could get away with 8.

    Ghost hunting, ghost stories, paranormal investigation, food ect.


  • #14
    Kettleson
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,047 ✭✭✭Kettleson


    @Riamfada. Fair play to you for getting something going. But how would you record, evaluate and analyse the nights proceedings?

    I see above that you mentioned that you wouldn't want to be led and would just want to sit and chat and wait. I understand your view point, but surely unless you all see or hear something significant and the event be recorded, then surely the night spent would, albeit it enjoyable but research wise, a waste of time?


  • #15
    Riamfada
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,246 ✭✭✭✭Riamfada


    Kettleson wrote: »
    @Riamfada. Fair play to you for getting something going. But how would you record, evaluate and analyse the nights proceedings?

    I see above that you mentioned that you wouldn't want to be led and would just want to sit and chat and wait. I understand your view point, but surely unless you all see or hear something significant and the event be recorded, then surely the night spent would, albeit it enjoyable but research wise, a waste of time?

    Hey Kettleson,

    In my opinion there is no shortage of groups of there doing paranormal research and attempting to control their environment and record data in a scientific manner. I tried to do this myself with a group for a long time. What I discovered was that there is never any way to have 100% control over the factors that influence your research and any findings that you do capture or record can never truely be scientifically watertight.

    I think that the ghost hunting/paranormal investigation thing is a subjective experience and personally I cant document anything that is of any value to anyone other than myself. Im not a scientist and I dont understand the science sufficiently to lecture on electromagnatism and infrasound (other than what I read on wikipedia).

    So lets all go to a castle, armed with cameras and torches and if you get a photo or an EVP recorded then all the best. I find that when I go on investigations that are led by a group, Im being told what to do and where to go by someone who dosnt really know what they are doing anyway and being lectured about EVP by someone with less qualifications on the matter than me. I also find these investigations less enjoyable as they attract people who expect to be given equipment and torches whereby if people are responsible for their own investigation then they can team up on the night, get to meet people and have fun. :)

    Would be great to get something going. Here is a link to one we organised years ago. http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=3403692


  • #16
    Kettleson
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,047 ✭✭✭Kettleson


    @Riamfada. I can see clearly now where you are coming from, and that does make a lot of sense. Thanks for that. :)

    PS: I'd be interested in getting involved, but I'm up in the north west.


  • #17
    Urizen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,354 ✭✭✭Urizen


    Hate to resurrect threads, but I really do want this to happen. So, who's up for it?


  • #18
    vauraine
    Registered Users Posts: 38 ✭vauraine


    I'd be interested in this! Having never done anything like this, it would be great to be able to talk to more experienced people and pick their minds.


  • #19
    Ziycon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,987 ✭✭✭Ziycon


    I've got more free time these days so I'd be up for it.


  • #20
    Riamfada
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,246 ✭✭✭✭Riamfada


    Im still interested. I was thinking about this and the main problem in the past has been 10 people saying they will turn up and in reality only 3 arriving then the organiser gets stung by the landlord. Would anyone be open to the idea of paying any costs in advance via paypal ect? Ill happily organise it if Im not liable for people not showing up ..... (again)

    Personally id do an investigation in Oct/Nov. Its darker and thats when the ghosts come out ;)


  • #21
    vauraine
    Registered Users Posts: 38 ✭vauraine


    Riamfada I'd be fine with paying costs in advance once the date is set before I pay, so that I know 100% if I can make it.


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  • #22
    Riamfada
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,246 ✭✭✭✭Riamfada


    Okay well after August I'll set a date and location for Sept/Oct and give everyone plenty of notice.


  • #23
    bnear
    Registered Users Posts: 178 ✭✭bnear


    Hi I'd be interested in going along, always been curious....... Thanks:)


  • #24
    Ziycon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,987 ✭✭✭Ziycon


    @Riamfada try not make it one of the usual boring places that everyone knows about :D


  • #25
    Riamfada
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,246 ✭✭✭✭Riamfada


    Ziycon wrote: »
    @Riamfada try not make it one of the usual boring places that everyone knows about :D

    The choices are usually Ross Castle or Charleville Castle unfortunately. Is there anyone groups out there still organising these types of events. Could someone please PM me if they know.


  • #26
    Milly33
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,657 ✭✭✭Milly33


    Ghost Hunt Ireland do these events Breda is lovely there one of the team not too sure about. But you could ask but again these are all the typical places you would go too.


  • #27
    maccored
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,714 ✭✭✭✭maccored


    Riamfada wrote: »
    The choices are usually Ross Castle or Charleville Castle unfortunately. Is there anyone groups out there still organising these types of events. Could someone please PM me if they know.

    why do castles = ghosts? if they do exist, im sure they're sick of old castles. I may stick in one of these in case ye freak out- :P


  • #28
    Riamfada
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,246 ✭✭✭✭Riamfada


    maccored wrote: »
    why do castles = ghosts? if they do exist, im sure they're sick of old castles. I may stick in one of these in case ye freak out- :P

    Im open to suggestions of other locations that will allow this type of paranormal investigation.:pac:


  • #29
    maccored
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,714 ✭✭✭✭maccored


    i can only think of the one, which I already suggested ... but at the same time, Im not too sure it would suit a large group.


  • #30
    maccored
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,714 ✭✭✭✭maccored


    off the top of my head though, I could tell you of four or five places between here and dublin that currently have strange things going on, but again they wouldnt suit groups. ive found the paranormal and large groups of people tend not to work.


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  • #31
    Kettleson
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,047 ✭✭✭Kettleson


    Hi folks.

    What would be the necessary criteria for picking a location?

    Maybe it would help to focus in a bit?

    1) How far will people travel?
    2) what accommodation will be needed? Or do participants stay up all night at the location and leave in the morning? Ie: will participants need to book a B&B to crash out in at 4am?
    3) how and where is the information/experiences evaluated?
    4) what's the criteria for selection of location? Would it be worth considering lesser known sites?
    5) does the site have to be enclosed with a roof on it? Or will folk sit in a graveyard sorta thing? Time of year. Weather etc..
    6) and of course, I have no doubt in absolutely recommending that all costs are paid up front.

    These are only a few rambling ideas. I'd like to participate, but practically I'm limited to the north-west.

    Hope this helps to focus in on getting things rolling.


  • #32
    Riamfada
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,246 ✭✭✭✭Riamfada


    1) How far will people travel?

    Locations available to this sort of this are either Charleville Castle, Wicklow Gaol or Ross Castle. Charleville is in Tullamore and is looking like the most likely candidate, its also smack in the center of the country for most. Ross is more expensive and needs a minimum of 10 and Wicklow Gaol is more of a "tour" and is also expensive and obviously located in .. Wicklow.

    2) what accommodation will be needed? Or do participants stay up all night at the location and leave in the morning? Ie: will participants need to book a B&B to crash out in at 4am?

    Generally people have spent the nights and left at about 9am or 10am however this is uncomfortable and unpleasant and also unnecessary. What I am trying to do is organise that we will have a location from 6pm-3am and argue for a lower price. Afterwards we can head back or people can organise their own accommodation if they wish. Most I assume with just head home.

    3) how and where is the information/experiences evaluated?

    This forum can be used as a hub for pre and post conversation. However the experience is completely subjective. If anyone wants to do real "paranormal research" Maccored is probably the man to talk to about how to get involved in that end of it but it is insanely more boring and fruitless :P

    4) what's the criteria for selection of location? Would it be worth considering lesser known sites?

    The main critera is 1)availability followed by 2) cost and a close 3) reports of paranormal activity. Im certainly open to suggestions.

    5) does the site have to be enclosed with a roof on it? Or will folk sit in a graveyard sorta thing? Time of year. Weather etc..

    Personally I think that we should really get together as a group first and investigate an established or comfortable site. Most people will not have done anything like it before and if they do like it perhaps we can consider more difficult outdoor locations and I am suggesting that we will have 8-10 people.


    6) and of course, I have no doubt in absolutely recommending that all costs are paid up front.

    Thanks! I am trying to get the locations for 35-40 euro a head. I am making the case that we are not overnighting and that really is our budget. Its looking like it going to be a date on a Friday or Saturday night mid/late September?


  • #33
    Ziycon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,987 ✭✭✭Ziycon


    Riamfada wrote: »
    1) How far will people travel?

    Locations available to this sort of this are either Charleville Castle, Wicklow Gaol or Ross Castle. Charleville is in Tullamore and is looking like the most likely candidate, its also smack in the center of the country for most. Ross is more expensive and needs a minimum of 10 and Wicklow Gaol is more of a "tour" and is also expensive and obviously located in .. Wicklow.

    2) what accommodation will be needed? Or do participants stay up all night at the location and leave in the morning? Ie: will participants need to book a B&B to crash out in at 4am?

    Generally people have spent the nights and left at about 9am or 10am however this is uncomfortable and unpleasant and also unnecessary. What I am trying to do is organise that we will have a location from 6pm-3am and argue for a lower price. Afterwards we can head back or people can organise their own accommodation if they wish. Most I assume with just head home.

    3) how and where is the information/experiences evaluated?

    This forum can be used as a hub for pre and post conversation. However the experience is completely subjective. If anyone wants to do real "paranormal research" Maccored is probably the man to talk to about how to get involved in that end of it but it is insanely more boring and fruitless :P

    4) what's the criteria for selection of location? Would it be worth considering lesser known sites?

    The main critera is 1)availability followed by 2) cost and a close 3) reports of paranormal activity. Im certainly open to suggestions.

    5) does the site have to be enclosed with a roof on it? Or will folk sit in a graveyard sorta thing? Time of year. Weather etc..

    Personally I think that we should really get together as a group first and investigate an established or comfortable site. Most people will not have done anything like it before and if they do like it perhaps we can consider more difficult outdoor locations and I am suggesting that we will have 8-10 people.


    6) and of course, I have no doubt in absolutely recommending that all costs are paid up front.

    Thanks! I am trying to get the locations for 35-40 euro a head. I am making the case that we are not overnighting and that really is our budget. Its looking like it going to be a date on a Friday or Saturday night mid/late September?

    Looking good so far, let us know when you've set a date.


  • #34
    Riamfada
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,246 ✭✭✭✭Riamfada


    Update 03/08/2013
    • Its most likely going to be Charleville Castle
    • The Paranormal Research Association of Ireland will be supervising the use of the castle but not involved in the investigation
    • The cost will be 45 euro per person
    • Will run into the early morning but we wont be sleeping in the castle
    • Dates will be some time mid to late Sept/Oct
    • Is there an interest in this?


  • #35
    mrmorgan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 805 ✭✭✭mrmorgan


    yes I would be very interested, would someone give me a lift? ha


  • #36
    Ziycon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,987 ✭✭✭Ziycon


    Yes, I'm interested depending on date.


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  • #37
    Milly33
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,657 ✭✭✭Milly33


    mmm is this just the same as booking with any of the other groups


  • #38
    vauraine
    Registered Users Posts: 38 ✭vauraine


    I'm definitely interested depending on the date.


  • #39
    buttonteaser
    Registered Users Posts: 89 ✭✭buttonteaser


    id be very interested in going. im in the south east and iv no probem driving up there. have you gotten enough numbers to go yet?


  • #40
    Riamfada
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,246 ✭✭✭✭Riamfada


    New thread on this


  • #41
    gavingaz
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 75 ✭✭gavingaz


    I spoke to them earlier and they are charging 60. Any reason for this?


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  • #42
    Riamfada
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,246 ✭✭✭✭Riamfada


    We are not a team and this isn't a team based thing, actually want to try and keep teams out of this. I stopped doing team stuff years ago when it all got a bit sad and the fun went out of it. I wouldnt pay 60 euro for it anyway. 45 is a bit more manageable. If your team want to book the castle I think it will be about 60 euro.


  • #43
    Trazeshallow
    Registered Users Posts: 2 ✭Trazeshallow


    Trazeshallow wrote: »
    Can i point out two details in this if i may,
    Yes i am a member of The paranormal research association of Ireland, but when i am at the castle i am running as a castle volunteer,
    I help to facilitate group bookings and do supervision of said groups,

    The fee for booking the castle is 60 euro per person and always has been, The fee of 45 i would like ot know who gave you that price.
    There is a group called spook group tours who book the castle for paranormal nights from 8 pm till 3 am, this is not a over night and thus is why the fee that they charge is 40, as people would have to try pay for accommodation in a local hotel and accrue that cost,
    Yes the money raised from this does go to the castle but the fee the castle charges is 600, for say if its a group of 10 60 euro per , and so on,
    If anyone has any questions regarding the castle, feel free to mail me trazecastle@gmail.com
    To Correct, a deal was made in july for this event, apologies for all the confusion,
    Becasue this event is not running till the following day the fees stated are the fees being charges, 60 euro is for a full over night untill the following day 12 noon,
    again sorry for any mixup


  • #44
    mrmorgan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 805 ✭✭✭mrmorgan


    So is Chareville Castle a defo then?


  • #45
    Riamfada
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,246 ✭✭✭✭Riamfada


    So no one got back about this on the thread. Had to let it go. Sorry guys but it was looking unlikely that 10+ people were going to get in on this.


  • #46
    Elmidena
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,570 ✭✭✭Elmidena


    I'm afraid that I'm dependent on places that are relatively easy for me to access (Based in Wexford, with no car) and thus said castle was too much trauma to try and get to :(


  • #47
    Kettleson
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,047 ✭✭✭Kettleson


    Riamfada wrote: »
    So no one got back about this on the thread. Had to let it go. Sorry guys but it was looking unlikely that 10+ people were going to get in on this.

    Riamfada, why did you need so many people? Surely such a large number in itself would have proven problematic for a first meet up. Surely 3 persons would have been enough to get things going?

    Did it have to be such a popular ghost hunters destination?

    Surely there are plenty of other places that could have been investigated?

    Fair play to you for setting it up, but I think a smaller group, in splinter regional groups might have worked. From the outset I was always going to be limited to the north west.

    http://www.abandonedireland.com/Seafield.html


  • #48
    gavingaz
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 75 ✭✭gavingaz


    Kettleson wrote: »
    Riamfada, why did you need so many people? Surely such a large number in itself would have proven problematic for a first meet up. Surely 3 persons would have been enough to get things going?

    Did it have to be such a popular ghost hunters destination?

    Surely there are plenty of other places that could have been investigated?

    Fair play to you for setting it up, but I think a smaller group, in splinter regional groups might have worked. From the outset I was always going to be limited to the north west.

    http://www.abandonedireland.com/Seafield.html

    I agree, the more people the more chance of contamination of sound and video, hence decreasing the certainty of documenting potential paranormal activity. Thanks for trying to organise it though, would have been quite fun. Perhaps another time with less people.


  • #49
    maccored
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,714 ✭✭✭✭maccored


    Fair dues to ye for trying. its a thankless task. You put the idea out there, people say they'll go, you go to the hassle and time to organise something and then nothing. not a sausage. There's nothing more annoying, so I feel for you brother.

    Riamfada wrote: »
    So no one got back about this on the thread. Had to let it go. Sorry guys but it was looking unlikely that 10+ people were going to get in on this.


  • #50
    Gannicus
    Registered Users Posts: 1,736 ✭✭✭Gannicus


    Riamfada wrote: »
    Essentially what I'm looking for is a non affiliated group of like minded people doing independent paranormal research at the same time in the same location with the possibility of tea,coffee and paranormal chat.

    Do Charleville castle or Ross Castle still cater for unsupervised groups. I dont want to have to be lead by a ghostbuster, I just want to sit in the dark, ask stupid questions to an empty room and eat penguin bars.

    Anyone else?
    jessabell88 wrote: »
    I'd actually really like that too!

    I'd be up for going on one aswel.


  • #51
    Rachiee
    Registered Users Posts: 880 ✭✭✭Rachiee


    Id of been totally up for it just had a prior committment ( family birthday) would love to some other time though


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