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Silver-Tiger · 16-03-2012 11:21am

Jolly Red Giant wrote: »

64 tackles, 3 ints, 1 forced fumble last year.

Good in pass coverage and a major upgrade on current roster. I agree that Trufant would also be a good signing.

I was really annoyed at this as were most Cleveland fans. He always seemed to be the most liked guy in the locker room and from following him on twitter it was clear he wanted to stay, almost embarrassingly begging for a new deal.

When TJ Ward went down early he came in and played his heart out till the end. Never gave up on a play.

Ward looks a great safety but old injury concerns he had in college have come back to haunt him and that is not good.

Any Bengals fans on here?
Your thoughts on Frostee Rucker leaving and coming over to us?

poldebruin · 16-03-2012 11:33am

This is why I don't follow the Salary cap and all it's machinations:
inside the numbers of Calvin Johnson's contract

poldebruin · 16-03-2012 12:15pm

Eddie Royal has left to join the Chargers.

I know this might not be big news in the overall free agency news frenzy, but I loved Royal and felt (feel) he could be a very good receiver. Denver did not get the best out of him in my opinion.

His rookie year with Cutler throwing to him, showed wht he could do, and he is a good punt/kick returner to boot.

Would have liked to see him reunite with Shanahan or Cutler (and out of the division)
http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_20184982/eddie-royal-leaves-broncos-sign-rival-chargers

etloveslsd · 16-03-2012 3:53pm

Is anyone else disappointed that Mario Williams joined the Bills?

I feel a player of his skill and standing should have gone to a team with a chance of winning. I know in the end it was his choice.

16-03-2012 4:09pm

etloveslsd wrote: »

Is anyone else disappointed that Mario Williams joined the Bills?

I feel a player of his skill and standing should have gone to a team with a chance of winning. I know in the end it was his choice.

some players want a sb some want money hes the latter.
having said that there d line looks unreal this year they could be a dark horse for the playoffs.

the lb market is slowwwwww apparently there all looking for silly money

neilster · 16-03-2012 4:13pm

etloveslsd wrote: »

Is anyone else disappointed that Mario Williams joined the Bills?

I feel a player of his skill and standing should have gone to a team with a chance of winning. I know in the end it was his choice.

I think he wanted a certain level of contract and they paid the money but in articles on their chase of Williams he was very detailed on how the defence would be and with Kyle Williams , Dareus and himself , they will get after the passer.

If the defence plays well it would probably mean a winning season , much like Detroit a mean defence will turn things around . I dont think he would have joined if they werent going to significantly improve on defence . Fitz as a QB still causes doubts but if the defence puts him in a position to win much like the 49ers good things can happen

As to Frostee Rucker he is serviceable but it was big money for someone who doesnt get sacks . At low money what was wrong with Matt Roth , Mark Anderson or Andre Carter. Hell they could wait on Fridays release of Raider Kamerion Wimbley , 3 times the sacks to Rucker

16-03-2012 4:16pm

neilster wrote: »

. Fitz as a QB still causes doubts but if the defence puts him in a position to win much like the 49ers good things can happen

i think he can be better than people realise i thought he played pretty well last year intelligent guy with a very quick release. bills would be very dangerous if they didnt trade lynch to the Seahawks

mikemac1 · 16-03-2012 4:17pm

Panthers sign Haruki Nakamura Safety from the Ravens

Special teams ace
Good young player, never started a game in four years but hey, no shame in backing up Ed Reed.

Had a look at the Panthers forum and they reckon he has a strong shot of becoming starter there. I don't know much about the Panthers secondary

16-03-2012 4:26pm

mikemac1 wrote: »

Panthers sign Haruki Nakamura Safety from the Ravens

Special teams ace
Good young player, never started a game in four years but hey, no shame in backing up Ed Reed.

Had a look at the Panthers forum and they reckon he has a strong shot of becoming starter there. I don't know much about the Panthers secondary

and what a player to learn from

poldebruin · 16-03-2012 4:40pm

etloveslsd wrote: »

Is anyone else disappointed that Mario Williams joined the Bills?

I feel a player of his skill and standing should have gone to a team with a chance of winning. I know in the end it was his choice.

I was disappointed, yep. But maybe he can help the Bills make the jump with their improving D and they went on a tear early in the year with Fitzpatrick. Still would have liked to see him go to a playoff ready team (whatever that might mean in the NFL!)

16-03-2012 4:42pm

not to pushed about williams making a sb not he made his choice id much rather see an andre johnson or larry fitz or calvin johnson type player whos stuck with there team through some rough years win it.(i know there all wrs no particular reason for that just the first 3 that came to mind)

Syferus · 16-03-2012 5:16pm

Kassandra Alive Geisha wrote: »

not to pushed about williams making a sb not he made his choice id much rather see an andre johnson or larry fitz or calvin johnson type player whos stuck with there team through some rough years win it.(i know there all wrs no particular reason for that just the first 3 that came to mind)

What the friggin' fudge nuts.

Mario Williams would have been very, very happy to stay in Houston and the Texans would have been very, very happy to have him but the cap situation and the emergence of other good pass rushers in his absences last season, who are far cheaper, meant the writing was on the wall. This isn't a Haynesworth situation, he'd probably have accepted noticeably less if the Texans had been able to offer it.

16-03-2012 5:22pm

Syferus wrote: »

What the friggin' fudge nuts.

Mario Williams would have been very, very happy to stay in Houston and the Texans would have been very, very happy to have him but the cap situation and the emergence of other good pass rushers in his absences last season, who are far cheaper, meant the writing was on the wall. This isn't a Haynesworth situation, he'd probably have accepted noticeably less if the Texans had been able to offer it.

haha What the friggin' fudge nuts is my favorite quote ever well played sir.

ya i see your point with that he does seem like a decent chap il retract my statement

mikemac1 · 16-03-2012 8:21pm

Colts sign Ravens safety Tom Zbikowski

Makes perfect sense, Chuck Pagano was secondary coach in Baltimore before becoming DC

Zibby spent the lockout on the boxing circut fighting at cruiserweight and light heavyweight

Here's an old video from his Notre Dame days

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-8BYolVPVw

That's the second safety signed away from the Ravens today

Chucky the tree · 16-03-2012 8:30pm

As expected Raiders cut Wimbley, loving this off-season so far. Made excellent moves all across the board.

Jolly Red Giant · 16-03-2012 9:30pm

spiralism wrote: »

Not sure what i make of Abraham, he's a situational pass rusher that looks on the decline.

Abraham signs a 3 year deal with Atlanta.

Chucky the tree · 16-03-2012 11:40pm

Raiders sign former Texans guard Mike Beisel and former Rams cornerback Ron Bertell, two solid pick-ups.

spiralism · 17-03-2012 3:03am

Jolly Red Giant wrote: »

Abraham signs a 3 year deal with Atlanta.

Probably because we were too busy getting jilted by Manning in Raleigh to properly sort a visit. Not pushed anyways, past it and situational.

Jolly Red Giant · 17-03-2012 2:14pm

spiralism wrote: »

Probably because we were too busy getting jilted by Manning in Raleigh to properly sort a visit. Not pushed anyways, past it and situational.

Come on spiral - cheer up - Hayes, McClain and Trufant all had medicals yesterday.

spiralism · 17-03-2012 2:17pm

Jolly Red Giant wrote: »

Come on spiral - cheer up - Hayes, McClain and Trufant all had medicals yesterday.

Per orangemane, none signed and we're just looking to re-sign Joe Mays and Wesley Woodyard instead. I wouldn't blame them not signing, pure insult that our DC had to meet him because nobody was home.

If we sign nobody apart from Adams in Free Agency, and that's now highly likely, it's a ****ing disgrace with the money we have. We're going to feel like massive gob****es when Manning goes to the Niners or Titans and we've 50 million in the bank that could have gone on Mario Williams or something. smh

Jolly Red Giant · 17-03-2012 6:39pm

spiralism wrote: »

Per orangemane, none signed and we're just looking to re-sign Joe Mays and Wesley Woodyard instead. I wouldn't blame them not signing, pure insult that our DC had to meet him because nobody was home.

If we sign nobody apart from Adams in Free Agency, and that's now highly likely, it's a ****ing disgrace with the money we have. We're going to feel like massive gob****es when Manning goes to the Niners or Titans and we've 50 million in the bank that could have gone on Mario Williams or something. smh

Spiral - you should be aware that the strategy of EXF is to build through the draft and use free agency for depth. Last year they didn't throw money around and they won't do it this year - with the sole exception of getting the best ever free agent to hit FA. EXF made it clear two weeks ago that their intention was to attempt to re-sign all their free agents and add a few more for competition - trying to re-sign Mays and Woodyard was always going to happen. Furthermore the free agent contracts are negotiated by Mike Sullivan who was in Denver. Last year the Broncos made most of their signings towards the end of free agency - I don't expect it to be any different this year.

Justin10 · 18-03-2012 2:06am

Spiral just a guy I follow on twitter has been spot on and a day or more ahead of main stream media.

He claims the contract is done with the Broncos, claimed this a while back and still does.

In saying that, cant figure out why he was allowed leave Denver?

I think Denver have a great chance, 49ers are the best team though but many in the media claimed he wouldnt go to the NFC.

If that is true then its a 50/50.
Do agree with you that Denver have really put all the eggs in one basket.

While the Chargers and Chiefs have been doing pretty well this off season.

Xavi6 · 18-03-2012 4:20am

Brady Quinn to the Chiefs

JaMarcus Hustle · 18-03-2012 4:49am

Mario Manningham joins Randy Moss in San Francisco.

Syferus · 18-03-2012 5:26am

The 49ers are set for a Superbowl run next year, they're now the best team in the league no matter if Manning or Smith is at QB.

Would honestly love to see Smith getting to play with so many weapons after suffering behind bad o-lines and minimal passing weapons for so many years. Davis, Moss, Crabtree and Manningham are as good a set as any in the league.

JaMarcus Hustle · 18-03-2012 6:15am

Syferus wrote: »

Davis, Moss, Crabtree and Manningham are as good a set as any in the league.

Let me get this straight....

You've got a 35 year old who hasn't played football in over a year and didn't do anything the year before when he was playing (and I use the term "playing" lightly - couldn't get on the field for the Titans or the Vikings, was too busy not giving a damn).

You've also got a wide receiver who is coming from a team where he was 3rd on the depth chart where he barely put up over 500 yards with a measly 4 touchdowns last year.

You've got a #10 overall pick who has shown nothing like what a #10 should expect, who is more concerned with getting paid and bad mouthing his own QB than he is learning how to run a route properly.

And you've got Vernon Davis, who I won't say a bad word about

You're saying those 4 guys are better than, say...

Wes Welker coming off of a 1,600 yard season, two tight ends in Rob Gronkowski and Aaron Hernandez who had more yards and touchdowns between them than those four 49ers players above had added together, and Brandon Lloyd who put up 1,400 yards the last time he was in this system.

Not one of those 49ers receivers is better than his Patriots' counterpart. Saints, Packers and Falcons also have better receiving depth than the 49ers. You're talking out of your hoop. Don't be so reactionary.

Syferus · 18-03-2012 6:50am

I didn't say they were the 'best'. The Patriots passing game is obviously loaded like a Saturn V rocket at this point. Saints are ahead of them too but the balance the 49ers offer now means they're very much comparable to the Saints now.

The fact is Moss is obviously hungry, and from all reports, can still play. Crabtree has undoubted talent and should flourish now that he has other receivers that'll draw attention. Manningham's always impressed me, he was a little unlucky that last season, when the Giants let Smith go and opened up a opportunity for him, Cruz emerged with such a ridiculous stat-line. He's certainly one of the very best #3's in the league, and that's obvious how he'll be used in San Fran. Davis is obviously top 5 material in terms of tight ends and will probably have more impact now teams won't be able to just account for him in the red zone and man-mark everyone else.

The 49ers have built a balanced and cost-effective passing attack this off season and that was just about their only weakness. The fact they have a very good line and top class backs will also contribute hugely to their passing game, neither the Packers, Lions or Patriots (last season's most effective passing teams outside the Saints) have that sort of balance.

Harbaugh'll be opening up the passing game more next season now he has some weapons and that - likely - Smith is developing and settled in the system.

18-03-2012 1:05pm

Syferus wrote: »

I didn't say they were the 'best'. The Patriots passing game is obviously loaded like a Saturn V rocket at this point. Saints are ahead of them too but the balance the 49ers offer now means they're very much comparable to the Saints now.

The fact is Moss is obviously hungry, and from all reports, can still play. Crabtree has undoubted talent and should flourish now that he has other receivers that'll draw attention. Manningham's always impressed me, he was a little unlucky that last season, when the Giants let Smith go and opened up a opportunity for him, Cruz emerged with such a ridiculous stat-line. He's certainly one of the very best #3's in the league, and that's obvious how he'll be used in San Fran. Davis is obviously top 5 material in terms of tight ends and will probably have more impact now teams won't be able to just account for him in the red zone and man-mark everyone else.

The 49ers have built a balanced and cost-effective passing attack this off season and that was just about their only weakness. The fact they have a very good line and top class backs will also contribute hugely to their passing game, neither the Packers, Lions or Patriots (last season's most effective passing teams outside the Saints) have that sort of balance.

Harbaugh'll be opening up the passing game more next season now he has some weapons and that - likely - Smith is developing and settled in the system.

sorry syf im gona have to disagree with you there there an improvement over last year but still not near top 5 in the nfl davis is a beast probably the bet recieving te in the nfl at this stage. but in my opinion
moss-blessed with talent and should have beaten jerry rices numbers but is one of the biggest wastes of talent iv ever seen he could be a good receiver but i cant see it at this stage

manningham- is not that good at all iv been watching him since he was drafted and hes never overly impressed he performed in the sb so credit where credit is due but the pats where letting him open trying to cover other recievers

crabtree-has shown flashes but i cant see him turning into the player he could have been seems a bit lazy to me but i cant discount him if he puts in a good offseason and making a sb will motivate him now it didn't seem possible before

off the top of my head id put
pats
eagles
giants
falcons
saints
lions
packers
cowboys
texans
ahead of them

this is just my opinion but i think there level with
bengals
chiefs
redskins(although much more cost effective)
and maby giants(but there just as likely to pull another few receivers out of nowhere

i agree that there cheaper than some of the above and alex smith is not as bad as people think so he's going to help just don't thing there better

SK1979 · 18-03-2012 1:42pm

Just saw on twitter (Jamie cuthridge), can't link on phone, that smith is talking to Miami. Surely that means 49ers are seriously talking to manning?

Justin10 · 18-03-2012 5:16pm

Slow down there. If that 49ers pass rush slows down they become middle of the table.

49ers offence is poor. had I think 1-15 3rd down converted in the playoffs two weeks in a row.

Yes Manning will help that, but I in no way think there near a finished article.
Good team though and if Manning goes there, im sure they will be in the playoffs.

Jolly Red Giant · 18-03-2012 9:34pm

Alex Smith has sacked Tom Condon as his agent - big surprised there given how things have panned out.

Benimar · 18-03-2012 10:18pm

Matt Flynn just signed with Seattle - 3 years, $26m. As a Dolphins fan, I am not a happy camper at all.

Jolly Red Giant · 18-03-2012 10:27pm

Benimar wrote: »

Matt Flynn just signed with Seattle - 3 years, $26m. As a Dolphins fan, I am not a happy camper at all.

What happens the 49ers if Smith signs for Miami and Manning picks the Broncos or Titans?

Benimar · 18-03-2012 10:37pm

Jolly Red Giant wrote: »

What happens the 49ers if Smith signs for Miami and Manning picks the Broncos or Titans?

Go wih Kaepernik I assume. Smith won't end up in Miami anyway. The Dolphins will F this one up too.

rosskeen · 18-03-2012 11:11pm

I've had to sign up just to vent my frustration. It's really hard work being a Miami fan at the minute. Any slack I was prepared to cut Stephen Ross is gone. He's turned a once proud franchise into a laughing stock.

There's clearly no leadership in the franchise. Things have gone backward not forward since the end of the season. How is Jeff Ireland still in a job?

We'll be lucky to be competing in 3 years time never mind next year which, considering some of the talent at their disposal, is scandalous. Even the Bills can sign a big name free agent! :mad:

I don't know whether to laugh or cry!

mikemac1 · 18-03-2012 11:12pm

Matt Moore did a good/decentish job last year

Would you be happy with Matt Moore next season?

Seemed to improve as the season went on

Jolly Red Giant · 18-03-2012 11:15pm

Benimar wrote: »

Go wih Kaepernik I assume. Smith won't end up in Miami anyway. The Dolphins will F this one up too.

The 49ers themselves will admit that Kaepernik is not ready and won't be for a couple of years - that's why they offered Smith a 3 year contract.

rosskeen · 18-03-2012 11:23pm

Moore did a solid job last year and might do again next year. I'd love to know how he is feeling at the minute? I know I'd be fairly pissed off if I was him. The powers that be in Miami clearly have no faith in him.

His main weapon has been taken away from him in Brandon Marshall and his job has been touted to just about ever QB with a functioning shoulder (and some without). The front office have been absolutely appalling.

The worst part of it is that I was never really sold on Matt Flynn. Giving him big money would have been madness.

The frustrating part for me is that over the last 10 years the front office has consistently made poor decisions and failed to address the quarterback position and made a hash of it again this offseason.

I don't think Tannehil is the answer and certainly not worth drafting at 8.

spiralism · 18-03-2012 11:32pm

Jolly Red Giant wrote: »

The 49ers themselves will admit that Kaepernik is not ready and won't be for a couple of years - that's why they offered Smith a 3 year contract.

Niners could well take weeden themselves though, good chance he's available at 30

Jolly Red Giant · 18-03-2012 11:42pm

spiralism wrote: »

Niners could well take weeden themselves though, good chance he's available at 30

Yes they could - outside of Luck and Griffin (and possibly ahead of Griffin) he is the only NFL ready QB - part of the reason I think the Broncos will take him at 25.

49ers fans now praying that if Manning doesn't sign with them he goes to titans so they can get Hasselback.

Jolly Red Giant · 18-03-2012 11:54pm

Broncos re-sign Joe Mays

Jolly Red Giant · 19-03-2012 12:01am

It now appears that the Dolphins have offered Smith a multi-year deal worth about $8million a year.

49ers could be left in the soft brown stuff

RGIII · 19-03-2012 2:01am

Weeden is far from NFL ready. Anyone taking him in the first round is crazy.

Justin10 · 19-03-2012 2:14am

Broncos took Tebow in the 1st?? (Not a dig at Tebow)

Someone will panic on the day and have to take him early then they would of wanted. Its a pretty poor class after the top 2.

Justin10 · 19-03-2012 2:27am

Well that chart is way off with the Falcons trade last year and the Redskins this year.

For example, if the 49ers end up with nothing what do they do?
Trade for Hasselbeck? etc or go with the rookie and take him early to make sure they get him.

Tough choice.

Jolly Red Giant · 19-03-2012 3:22am

RGIII wrote: »

Weeden is far from NFL ready. Anyone taking him in the first round is crazy.

Weeden is regarded as the one QB who can start in the NFL on day one. Luck is way better and will also start day one but Weeden is widely regarded as more NFL ready. Don't take my word for it - go read Mike Mayock's commtnts about him.

JaMarcus Hustle · 19-03-2012 4:00am

RGIII wrote: »

Weeden is far from NFL ready. Anyone taking him in the first round is crazy.

Thank God someone said it.

Weeden was under-rated up to about a month ago when he was being mocked in the 3rd/4th rounds, now all of a sudden he's everyone's binkie and is a 1st round sleeper. Truth is he's probably somewhere in between. A mid to late second would represent his true value, but that's solely because of the lack of depth in the class this year at his position. Let's not forget Ryan Tannehill is the consensus 3rd rated QB this year, and he's a poor man's Jake Locker (who is an infinitely better QB than Tannehill btw).

frostie500 · 19-03-2012 4:14am

JaMarcus Hustle wrote: »

RGIII wrote: »

Weeden is far from NFL ready. Anyone taking him in the first round is crazy.

Thank God someone said it.

Weeden was under-rated up to about a month ago when he was being mocked in the 3rd/4th rounds, now all of a sudden he's everyone's binkie and is a 1st round sleeper. Truth is he's probably somewhere in between. A mid to late second would represent his true value, but that's solely because of the lack of depth in the class this year at his position. Let's not forget Ryan Tannehill is the consensus 3rd rated QB this year, and he's a poor man's Jake Locker (who is an infinitely better QB than Tannehill btw).

Most mocks ive seen have weeden ad a second rounder which seems about right. Tannehill on the other hand....i just dont get what the fuss about him is all about!

RGIII · 19-03-2012 10:39am

Weeden more NFL ready than Luck? Sorry but your just saying that because of his age. The Oklahoma State offence has the QB utilise three, five, even seven yard drop backs from the shotgun. That's the shotgun, not under center. By having the receivers run deep this creates a lot on space underneath. This allowed Dez Bryant and Justin Blackmon a lot of space to run wild. You won't he able to run this offence in the NFL.

Weeden will need to learn to take snaps under center, make a quick and accurate read and deliver a pass into a crowded, tighter field, learn the concepts of play action. He needs to learn the footwork required playing within a pro-offence.

Weeden also stares his receiver down on every single play. This is why he has multiple multiple interception games. If he does not get out of this habit in the NFL, DBs will have a field day.

This could take up to 2 years and suddenly he's 31. In my opinion a highly overrated prospect.

HigginsJ · 19-03-2012 11:43am

Same thing that happened last year will happen again this year, Tannehill and Weedon will both go in the 1st. Browns will end up with one of them. I think they might be crazy enough to take Tannehill at 4 or if not they will def take Tannehill/Weedon at 22.

Its going to be very exciting next season, so many teams with a new QB under centre

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