Photo Thread.

lord lucan · 12-02-2012 8:53pm

Not a pic of a train but of old railway signage. I came across this in the Ivy House Pub in Drumcondra of all places,out in the yard on the way to the smoking area. I can only assume the WD & LR is the Waterford,Dungarven and Lismore Railway.

corktina · 12-02-2012 10:19pm

fake sign. They are all over with the same typeface but many different railways...Ive got a GSWR one unless someone nicked it from my gate.

gsxr1 · 12-02-2012 11:06pm

CIE · 13-02-2012 12:17am

corktina wrote: »

fake sign. They are all over with the same typeface but many different railways...Ive got a GSWR one unless someone nicked it from my gate.

Fake or replica?

Judgement Day · 13-02-2012 12:30am

corktina wrote: »

fake sign. They are all over with the same typeface but many different railways...Ive got a GSWR one unless someone nicked it from my gate.

The W.D.& L.R sign may in fact be genuine as it is one of the few authentic gate signs that were quite plentiful right into the 1980s - along the course of the line - don't bother going for a look now though!

Missed this rather nice negative on eBay over the weekend - location anybody?

Loughrea%2BCabin.JPG

Eiretrains · 13-02-2012 12:46am

Judgement Day wrote: »

location anybody?

It's Loughrea, one of the smaller type MGWR cabins provided at small branch line termini and stations.:cool:

corktina · 13-02-2012 9:12am

CIE wrote: »

Fake or replica?

fake. They are all exactly the same except for the company name.

Judgement Day · 13-02-2012 10:38am

corktina wrote: »

fake. They are all exactly the same except for the company name.

Not true! Some are genuine and it's only when you can examine them close-up for wear and tear that you can be 100% sure. That said, they appear for all sorts of companies that never in their wildest dreams could have aspired to cast iron gate signs. I doubt that the Kanturk & Newmarket Light Railway ever had such signs but I'm sure that you could have one made if only you could pin down the source of all the replicas.

Judgement Day · 13-02-2012 10:42am

Eiretrains wrote: »

It's Loughrea, one of the smaller type MGWR cabins provided at small branch line termini and stations.:cool:

Just testing! As far as I can remember it was more of a ground frame than anything else, with the staff instruments being located in the station building. I never remember it as being more than a base with some rodding sticking out. WISRA (the predecessors of Westrail) were given its remains but did a half arsed job of removing them and I've no idea what happened to the parts that were salvaged.

dmcronin · 13-02-2012 11:19am

lord lucan wrote: »

Not a pic of a train but of old railway signage. I came across this in the Ivy House Pub in Drumcondra of all places,out in the yard on the way to the smoking area. I can only assume the WD & LR is the Waterford,Dungarven and Lismore Railway.

JD is correct, WD&LR signs did exist, but this particular one is faketty-fake.
The 'W', 'D' and 'L' are in a slightly thinner font than the '&' and 'R'.
A GS&WR sign was taken as a pattern, a replica was cast, the unwanted letters were ground off, W, D and L were stuck on and a finished item was cast from this. Voila.
There are always exceptions to the rule, but basically, if this type of 40 shillings sign has anything other than 'GS&WR' or 'GSR' as a heading it is definitely a fake.
Also, there can't have been that many farmers crossing gates along the WD&LR to account for the vast numbers of WD&LR plates I've seen selling at car boots, on display in pubs etc.

corktina · 13-02-2012 11:32am

exactly, and here is mine to prove the point. I seen them with Lough Swilly, Co Donegal, wwwlr all sorts!

a bit of a smaller version of the photo!

corktina · 13-02-2012 12:38pm

see also here

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/G-S-W-R-old-cast-iron-railway-sign-ireland-great-southern-western-railway-/280825513108?pt=UK_Collectables_Railwayana_RL&hash=item4162814494

dmcronin · 13-02-2012 12:41pm

corktina wrote: »

see also here

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/G-S-W-R-old-cast-iron-railway-sign-ireland-great-southern-western-railway-/280825513108?pt=UK_Collectables_Railwayana_RL&hash=item4162814494

Hard to tell whether its the real deal or rust from an overnight spell in the garden.

corktina · 13-02-2012 12:45pm

ah but if you check his other items for sale I think it all becomes clear!

Judgement Day · 13-02-2012 2:23pm

corktina wrote: »

ah but if you check his other items for sale I think it all becomes clear!

Clear in what sense? Unconvinced what they are from pics and the lamp is genuine. The Great Northern signs are English and they might well have come out of some shed somewhere. Judging from the seller's feedback they are an enthusiast or an ex.enthusiast.

Ken Lennan's 'Fake Railwayana' is a useful source of info on fake Irish signs: http://www.irishrailwayana.com/pa306.htm

lord lucan · 13-02-2012 5:07pm

Never realised fake railway paraphernalia was so prolific!

Losty Dublin · 13-02-2012 5:28pm

Judgement Day wrote: »

Clear in what sense? Unconvinced what they are from pics and the lamp is genuine. The Great Northern signs are English and they might well have come out of some shed somewhere. Judging from the seller's feedback they are an enthusiast or an ex.enthusiast.

Ken Lennan's 'Fake Railwayana' is a useful source of info on fake Irish signs: http://www.irishrailwayana.com/pa306.htm

Oh ho, good old Mr Lennan. Some years ago, I mailed said gentleman for an approximate price for a miniature staff that I have at home. He informed me without looking at it that mine was either a fake or perhaps a training staff as he "sold the real one 3 years ago".

Oh course, the fact that the auld fella drove the last train on the line under ETS had no bearing on it's legitimacy :rolleyes:

Judgement Day · 13-02-2012 7:08pm

Losty Dublin wrote: »

Oh ho, good old Mr Lennan. Some years ago, I mailed said gentleman for an approximate price for a miniature staff that I have at home. He informed me without looking at it that mine was either a fake or perhaps a training staff as he "sold the real one 3 years ago".

Oh course, the fact that the auld fella drove the last train on the line under ETS had no bearing on it's legitimacy :rolleyes:

While I can't comment on the case you refer to, I think from my experience of dealing with Ken Lennan that I would have complete faith in him, his website and cataloging of railwayana - after all he's only being doing it for 20+ years. Aside from his website I have found him to be generous with his time and possessions - he donated a number of quite valuable items to the C+L during my time there.

Itssoeasy · 13-02-2012 9:47pm

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The father was pulling down a shed in the back garden.

Cookie_Monster · 14-02-2012 8:13pm

That sign belongs in the bedroom :pac:

Judgement Day · 16-02-2012 12:53am

A21 at Islandbridge Junction from a slide on eBay tonight.

L1011 · 16-02-2012 1:29am

lord lucan wrote: »

Never realised fake railway paraphernalia was so prolific!

I know someone who actually produces fake enamel signs, albeit mostly for drink/cigarette ads of the type pubs buy en masse but has done some railway stuff. He sells them as fakes, but suspects some of his bulk customers don't resell them as fake...

gsxr1 · 18-02-2012 12:14pm

Took this yesterday with permission . Would be very impressed if anyone knew where it was taken.

Judgement Day · 18-02-2012 1:12pm

Is it somewhere out of use judging by the state of the levers? Nenagh branch? Or somewhere like Clonmel or Carrick-on-Suir? If I hadn't got rid of my Hirsch & Doyle "Rly Lines of CIE & NIR" I could tell you by counting the levers.

gsxr1 · 18-02-2012 2:52pm

It is Galway Station. Redundant levers .

dowlingm · 25-02-2012 8:11pm

A guy managed to get a tour of VIA Rail's Winnipeg Maintenance Centre including a look inside a rebuilt EMD F40PH - here's a photo of its 16-645 prime mover.

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More here:
http://blog.traingeek.ca/search/label/wmc

25-02-2012 9:30pm

dowlingm wrote: »

A guy managed to get a tour of VIA Rail's Winnipeg Maintenance Centre including a look inside a rebuilt EMD F40PH - here's a photo of its 16-645 prime mover.

More here:
http://blog.traingeek.ca/search/label/wmc

Nice. I love GM engines!

sporty56 · 27-02-2012 3:37pm

Breakdown or were 141 and 121s compatable then ?

Jehuty42 · 27-02-2012 3:48pm

They've always been compatible I thought, lots of photos of the two class in multiple on beet trains.

What's being built in the background? That area now is offices in Harbourmaster Place, I think.

27-02-2012 4:18pm

Looks like a failure to me. The 121 is facing the wrong way for a double header.

The 121s were not capable of multiple working from new, they was retrofitted a while later, primarily as a reason to prevent them running bonnet first or having to be turned on turntables. Once fitted, they could work with a 141 or 181. Chances are, when this photo was taken, that the 121s did not have their MU gear yet.

sporty56 · 27-02-2012 4:23pm

That's Sherriff street sorting office for the post. It even had it's own bar so no excuse to leave the job !!!!

Oscar Bravo · 27-02-2012 4:28pm

Nice footage of the small GM'S hard at work here including a 121 and 141/181 hauling Beet www.youtube.com/watch?v=nyMtCcwLGP8&feature=related

Judgement Day · 27-02-2012 4:38pm

Looks like doubleheading to me - surely those are passengers on the train - there again it's probably my eyesight.

Victor · 28-02-2012 1:21am

Why use two smaller locos on beet trains when larger locos were available? Were 071s reserved for passenger trains?

28-02-2012 1:25am

Victor wrote: »

Why use two smaller locos on beet trains when larger locos were available? Were 071s reserved for passenger trains?

I'd say so, they would have been needed for Sligo and Rosslare services as well as some Waterford and Galway trains. Not to mention the Taras where they were, and still are, a must.

Losty Dublin · 28-02-2012 2:07am

121/141/181 classes were the main intended motive power on the beets from the mid 90's, mainly because they were surplus to requirement's elsewhere as their duties were passed on to other loco's and DMU's. 071's also found their way onto the beets when they had less to do and could be spared for the whole season; this being the case as 071's could haul longer laden trains than pairs.

The photo below of a pair is probably a double header. In the 60's, Heuston was closed on a Sunday so Connolly was used for all ex Dublin departures and arrivals. The Park Royals which are in the consist were then considered the best coach before Cravens arrived on the scene so chances are that it is a Cork bound train. These were often doubled headed to help keep up speeds on select heavier services so a pair would be common enough on . If you look closely the lead locomotive is moving away from the platform while it has a single lamp on it's front; this showed that the train was an important service of some sort and not on shunting or transfer duties.

Oscar Bravo · 28-02-2012 2:54am

What loco was that on the right at 8.mins and 1 sec on the video??

flyingsnail · 28-02-2012 10:02am

Oscar Bravo wrote: »

What loco was that on the right at 8.mins and 1 sec on the video??

That looks like B103, it belongs to the ITG.

starhillroad · 01-03-2012 11:23am

Victor

why use two smaller locos on beet trains when larger locos were available? Were 071s reserved for passenger trains?

Normally between the 1960's and early 1990's, the A (001) Class were pretty much standard on the Sugar Beet trains. This was because they had a 'go anywhere' 14 tonne axleload. This enabled them to cover a much wider spectrum of routes.

It is hard to believe, or remember that the 071 Class were the 'elite' on the system, and were worked intensively, and worked hard on a daily basis from their arrival into service in 1977 (They were tested in 1976, but drivers were initially not keen on them because they were a nightmare to start up apparently).

Due to lack of investment, a shortage of funds, the locomotive fleet was gradually run down, despite the trojan efforts of engineers at Inchicore to keep things 'on track' pardon the pun. There was a lot more freight back then, be it:

- Mail trains (Dublin-Cork/Galway)
- Cement
- Asahi to Ballina
- Containers
- Sugar Beet
- Tara Mines

So the mixed traffic idea, concept of using locomotives on both passenger trains and freight made perfect sense at the time, and the economies of scale, although unseen were greater.

But railfreight, from an accounting perspective had a huge weakness. If one customer was lost, then the whole trading sector was affected. This was predicted in an Oireachtais investigation into Iarnrod Eireann and CIE under the auspices of the (then) Transport minister Michael Lowry, who may have been working on another, more sinister agenda. Luckily, we did'nt find out if he was or not.

This investigated why the 201 Class locomotive were procured instead of more Multiple Units. There were comments from drivers back then such as:

"Sure we could have got 50 more of the 071's for the same price as 30 of those fancy new yokes with computers, bells and whistles we hardly need in this country"

There was a locomotive shortage in Ireland from the time the DART was introduced and the C type 201's were withdrawn, to the arrival of the GM 201 (River) Class. This was particularly acute in 1986-1987 when the 071 class had to be withdrawn due to bogie cracks. Apparently the boys in Illinois had never been told that they were going to be worked on heavy express passenger trains at 75mph/90mph on a daily basis.

cml387 · 01-03-2012 7:38pm

29 August 2003 at the level crossing at St Patrick's Well, Clonmel

Rud · 09-03-2012 3:20am

Here's 072 on the DFDS liner to Waterford looping the Waterford to Dublin 22k set last Friday 2nd of March in Athy

cml387 · 10-03-2012 5:54pm

Today, a beautiful spring afternoon at Clonmel

dowlingm · 10-03-2012 8:16pm

ballast wagons and track panels for the works happening this week?

Judgement Day · 10-03-2012 8:30pm

Lifting train from South Wexford line - didn't know they did ballast recovery too.

101sean · 10-03-2012 10:53pm

There was an 071 plus rake of new ballast wagons parked in Clonmel Wednesday am facing Waterford, couldn't see which one from Tesco's car park as it was partly hidden by bushes.

Oscar Bravo · 11-03-2012 12:32am

Lovely photo and a good example of how they are useing 141/181 doors on the 071's-Note 086's door.Just out of interest were the locos left running for the weekend?

cocoshovel · 11-03-2012 2:21am

hmm, I said back in summer I might post a video. I dont think I ever got around to it so here it is. Im a bit drunk now so I might have posted it somewhere else on here I just cant remember.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2VfsjIJzemo

flyingsnail · 11-03-2012 11:41am

cocoshovel wrote: »

hmm, I said back in summer I might post a video. I dont think I ever got around to it so here it is. Im a bit drunk now so I might have posted it somewhere else on here I just cant remember.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2VfsjIJzemo

I can see me in that video:D

foggy_lad · 13-03-2012 4:37pm

Rear of the 18.10 service to Maynooth from Platform 7 Connolly station 12th March 2012, this 22000 does not appear to be numbered externally?

Jehuty42 · 13-03-2012 5:01pm

It's 22007. The 22000s were delivered with just that number in a circle approach, most were repainted, but not 22007 evidently.

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