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Rangers FC lodge papers to go into administration

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,623 ✭✭✭lubo_moravcik


    Jelle1880 wrote: »
    Glad you think so. Do you remember bears.net?

    Not a clue, but it's no Operation Tango.
    Operation Tango was well orchestrated, good on you. However, it lasted all of 2 mins if that. Ask them on ff about bears.net :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,706 ✭✭✭premierstone


    Jelle1880 wrote: »
    Also, he's obviously lying about FF, everybody knows he has a login there so he should know that FF is extremely anti-Whyte these days (apart from timmy infiltrators trying to stir **** up ;) ).

    Doh thats hes point, that it is only now in the aftermath that the droolers have coped on to Whyte when it was plain to see for everyone else since he arrived.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,534 ✭✭✭SomethingElse


    Irresponsible Scots financier Fred Goodwin has lodged a bid with the club's administrators to buy Rangers.

    Fred, formerly Sir Fred, said in his shed that he had the funds to rescue the popular Unionist outfit from their current malaise. "I have - before tax - almost a hundred pounds," said (Sir) Fred, "And I'm prepared to put most of that at the disposal of this vital Glaswegian institution."

    On behalf of the club's administrators Crookid and Bentt a spokesman said, "We appreciate all approaches from fiscally opportunistic parties and we'll consider them in due course. Unfortunately, just at the moment, we're concentrating on stripping the lead from the Ibrox roof."

    Fred expressed discontent at the delay. "I'm a busy man," said Fred. "I have fingers in many scotch pies and my hundred pounds can only stretch so far. I'd like the administrators to come down from the roof and address my concerns."

    Celtic owner Sir Desmond Desmond expressed nothing but glee but Prime Minister David Cameron, on a recent visit to Scotland, said he should be careful what he (Sir Desmond) wishes for.

    The Oxford Dictionary of Over-Familiar Phrases said that being careful for what one wishes for had recently become glib and nonsensical.

    from a reliable source


  • Registered Users Posts: 9,839 ✭✭✭Jelle1880


    Doh thats hes point, that it is only now in the aftermath that the droolers have coped on to Whyte when it was plain to see for everyone else since he arrived.

    It's not like Spiers saw through Whyte right away, he too waited until all was clear to come out against him.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,706 ✭✭✭premierstone


    Jelle1880 wrote: »
    It's not like Spiers saw through Whyte right away, he too waited until all was clear to come out against him.

    I dont particurarly follow spiers or pay much attention to he's comments but I was under the impression he was one of the first to question Whyte, while even in the day or two after administration Rangers fans were still backing Whyte and were too busy hating Murray to see what was infront of them.


  • Registered Users Posts: 9,839 ✭✭✭Jelle1880


    Not really, he never really came out pro-Whyte in the beginning but also didn't ask questions.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,553 ✭✭✭✭Dempsey


    http://news.stv.tv/scotland/west-central/298783-craig-whyte-mortgaged-rangers-catering-income-to-upgrade-kitchens-at-ibrox/
    Rangers owner Craig Whyte used future income from the club's match-day catering to pay for new kitchen equipment at Ibrox.

    The club received new cookers and other catering equipment in a deal with finance house Close Leasing in October 2011.

    This equipment from the Surrey company made up part of the £1.7m investment to upgrade the kitchens and big screens at Ibrox, promised by Mr Whyte in his purchase agreement when he took over the club last May.

    According to documents lodged with Companies House, the agreement with Close Leasing sees it receive a proportion of the income Rangers make from their contract with catering firm Azure. It is understood this revenue stream is being used to pay back the debt for the kitchen equipment.

    The amount Rangers owe Close and the length of the deal is not publicly available. Close Leasing refused to comment, stating that it was a "confidential client matter".

    Last year, Azure renewed its contract with Rangers for nine years, and also took over cleaning duties at Ibrox, in a deal worth £35m.

    The use of the finance tactic by Mr Whyte to pay for part of his pledged investment in Rangers comes after he finally confirmed he had sold future season ticket sales to London firm Ticketus to £24.4m to help fund his takeover.

    Administrators Duff and Phelps revealed £18m had been taken from the Ticketus deal to pay off the club’s debt to Lloyds Banking Group, while the insolvency firm is currently trying to account for the remaining £6m or so from the season tickets payment.

    £1.7m of season ticket money on TV's, cookers, pots and pans. LOL

    Azure are paying out £35m over 9 years? You can imagine the profits they are making out Rangers if they were happy to sign a 9 year contract.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,706 ✭✭✭premierstone


    Jelle1880 wrote: »
    Not really, he never really came out pro-Whyte in the beginning but also didn't ask questions.

    Fair enough my mistake so, in that case he is just a hypocrite so.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,534 ✭✭✭SomethingElse


    Dempsey wrote: »
    £1.7m of season ticket money on TV's, cookers, pots and pans. LOL

    Maybe they're going throwing the kitchen sink at the opposition


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,166 ✭✭✭Beefy78


    Dempsey wrote: »
    £1.7m of season ticket money on TV's, cookers, pots and pans. LOL

    It's not £1.7m of season ticket money, it's £1.7m of future income for the match-day catering. The story there isn't that the upgrades were that much as we don't know if that's value or not it's that the upgrades were a commitment that was part of his takeover and again he's fulfilled that commitment by borrowing against the club's future revenue streams just as he did with the money from Ticketus.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,553 ✭✭✭✭Dempsey


    Ah, I misread (distracted). Rangers have already sold off the matchday catering and cleaning to Azure for a further 9 years and they got an advance on that to pay for upgrades to the stadium to bring it back up to scratch? Its still a big LOL at what he's done to their cashflow.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,553 ✭✭✭✭Dempsey


    http://sport.stv.tv/football/scottish-premier/rangers/298833-gordon-smith-i-wasnt-allowed-to-do-my-job-at-rangers/
    Smith has been made redundant by the club's administrators, Duff and Phelps, along with chief operating officer Ali Russell. Both will leave their posts at the end of February.

    The former chief executive of the Scottish Football Association was appointed by Whyte in June last year. Smith though says he had little or no say in recruitment at the club during his tenure.

    He was happy to take a wage despite doing **** all.

    Imagine that waster ran the SFA and only stepped down over the Winters fiasco


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,553 ✭✭✭✭Dempsey


    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-17146506
    Rangers are unlikely to be out of administration in time to be eligible to play in European football next season, BBC Scotland understands.

    The club need to lodge audited accounts and other financial statements by 31 March to compete.

    But administrators appointed by the club hold out little hope its finances can be sorted out by that deadline.

    It is also understood the club owes HMRC much more than chairman Craig Whyte has suggested.

    European competitions have provided a vital income stream to Rangers in recent years in terms of prize money, TV money and gate money.

    The club's potential absence from the Champions League or Europa Cup next season would be extremely damaging as it looks to emerge from administration.

    Rangers went into administration last week after HMRC took action over an unpaid tax bill of just over £9m.

    In a statement released on Tuesday, Mr Whyte claimed that some £4.4m of that total could be attributed to the so-called 'wee tax case' which the club has been disputing.

    But BBC Scotland has now seen evidence which suggests that statement is not true.
    Full amount

    BBC Scotland has seen HMRC documents indicating the £4.1m it froze from Rangers accounts last year to cover the 'wee tax bill' has been used for another purpose.

    Instead that £4.1m was used to pay VAT due on the £24m Rangers received as an advance on season ticket sales from the London-based finance firm Ticketus.

    That means the entire small tax bill, totalling about £4.4m, remains unsettled. BBC Scotland understands the administrators are withdrawing the appeal against it.

    And - contrary to Mr Whyte's claims - the small tax bill is unrelated to the £9m unpaid tax bill. Both have yet to be settled.

    With the tax bill rising by more than £1m a month, by the end of February the full amount owed will be close to £15m.

    That does not take into account the potential £49m "big bill" faced by the club if it loses a separate tax case.


    A spokesman for Craig Whyte said he stood by the statement he made on Tuesday.

    Despite this, administrators are confident they can get creditors to agree to a Company Voluntary Agreement, meaning HMRC would get a portion of what they are owed without the club going into liquidation.

    However, BBC Scotland understands this is contingent on Craig Whyte no longer being involved at Ibrox.

    Meanwhile, Scotland's First Minister, Alex Salmond, has described recent revelations about Rangers' finances as "very concerning".

    At Holyrood question time, Mr Salmond said administrators faced a very difficult task trying to meet the club's obligations to taxpayers, keep Rangers in business and save jobs.

    The first minister also said his government would support Ibrox workers if and when redundancies were announced.

    No European football next year and the threat of liquidation gets bigger.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,483 ✭✭✭Fenian Army


    Dempsey wrote: »



    No European football next year and the threat of liquidation gets bigger.

    Can't wait to get stuck in

    images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSExA7hGInlHALXaC0hs9eAcdew7C9dI7T2JRxH0lLovhbtxj5rP_O3jlbU


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 189 ✭✭fionnsda


    The tax bill got a lot bigger and .......

    Despite this, administrators are confident they can get creditors to agree to a Company Voluntary Agreement, meaning HMRC would get a portion of what they are owed without the club going into liquidation.

    dream on :)


  • Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional North East Moderators Posts: 10,869 Mod ✭✭✭✭PauloMN


    Estimated tax due since Whyte/White took over now closer to £15m:
    http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/football/spl/rangers/2012/02/24/rangers-in-crisis-unpaid-ibrox-tax-bill-since-craig-whyte-s-takeover-jumps-to-15m-86908-23762918/

    This is just astonishing. The more I read about this club, the more I think it's getting closer to being liquidated. A few weeks ago, I'd never have thought liquidation was a possibility. It's really beginning to look like a possibility now, unless someone will step up to the plate and throw a hell of a lot of money in.

    If these claims against Whyte/White are true, he needs locking up.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 795 ✭✭✭Fandango


    PauloMN wrote: »
    Estimated tax due since Whyte/White took over now closer to £15m:
    http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/football/spl/rangers/2012/02/24/rangers-in-crisis-unpaid-ibrox-tax-bill-since-craig-whyte-s-takeover-jumps-to-15m-86908-23762918/

    This is just astonishing. The more I read about this club, the more I think it's getting closer to being liquidated. A few weeks ago, I'd never have thought liquidation was a possibility. It's really beginning to look like a possibility now, unless someone will step up to the plate and throw a hell of a lot of money in.

    If these claims against Whyte/White are true, he needs locking up.

    Same here, Sorta expected a few big player sales and they would get back to normal in a few years but looking alot worse than that. Whyte reminds me alot of the old Anglo bankers tbh, more skeletons and dodgy deals in the closet than shirts! :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,166 ✭✭✭Beefy78


    fionnsda wrote: »
    The tax bill got a lot bigger and .......

    Despite this, administrators are confident they can get creditors to agree to a Company Voluntary Agreement, meaning HMRC would get a portion of what they are owed without the club going into liquidation.

    dream on :)

    HMRC will get a lot more £££s under a CVA than they will in the event of a liquidation as the Club has next to no assets and HMRC are not a preferred credtor. That's why a CVA is still far more likely than liquidation is.


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,406 ✭✭✭Pompey Magnus


    PauloMN wrote: »
    It's really beginning to look like a possibility now, unless someone will step up to the plate and throw a hell of a lot of money in.

    I really can't see that happening. Where were all the saviours when Murray was looking to sell up and they only had to deal with his mess?

    Whyte/White has only been around 9 months and he isn't a million miles from equally the damage Murray achieved over 20 years.

    Rangers are in a hell of a worse state than they were at the end of Murray's tenure. Murray left them with a big bill but plenty of success and a good reputation, Whyte/White will leave them with an even bigger bill, no real prospect of success in the short term and a reputation in absolute tatters.

    If there is a buyer out there they have made their job a hell of a lot tougher than had they come forward last year.

    The only consolation is they can't do worse than Whyte.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 9,839 ✭✭✭Jelle1880


    Can't wait to get stuck in

    images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSExA7hGInlHALXaC0hs9eAcdew7C9dI7T2JRxH0lLovhbtxj5rP_O3jlbU

    Is that the infamous Torbett Sorbet ?


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,320 ✭✭✭RoryMac


    PauloMN wrote: »
    Estimated tax due since Whyte/White took over now closer to £15m:
    http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/football/spl/rangers/2012/02/24/rangers-in-crisis-unpaid-ibrox-tax-bill-since-craig-whyte-s-takeover-jumps-to-15m-86908-23762918/

    This is just astonishing. The more I read about this club, the more I think it's getting closer to being liquidated. A few weeks ago, I'd never have thought liquidation was a possibility. It's really beginning to look like a possibility now, unless someone will step up to the plate and throw a hell of a lot of money in.

    If these claims against Whyte/White are true, he needs locking up.

    I think everything Whyte has done since he took over has pushed them closer to liquidation, the club was firmly in the HMRC sights prior to the take-over so not paying PAYE & VAT was suicidal.

    I believe Whyte's plan for the club was liquidation which could allow them to regain control of the revenue streams sold off under his and Murray's ownership.


  • Registered Users Posts: 9,839 ✭✭✭Jelle1880


    He actually has the balls to tell people he'll be back at Rangers.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,623 ✭✭✭lubo_moravcik


    So how much has each of my fellow bears pledged to saverangers?


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,406 ✭✭✭Pompey Magnus


    So how much has each of my fellow bears pledged to saverangers?

    I want to know why it isn't savetherangers?


  • Registered Users Posts: 9,839 ✭✭✭Jelle1880


    So how much has each of my fellow bears pledged to saverangers?

    Total would be around 5m so far, not counting the obviously massive amount of pledges from our good friends in green and grey :cool:


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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,406 ✭✭✭Pompey Magnus


    Jelle1880 wrote: »
    Total would be around 5m so far, not counting the obviously massive amount of pledges from our good friends in green and grey :cool:

    Out of interest how do they know that figure isn't counting fake pledges?


  • Registered Users Posts: 9,839 ✭✭✭Jelle1880


    Because they didn't count the -75.000.000 posted earlier ? :pac:

    It's an estimate obviously, but I think it does give a fair overview that fans are willing to chip in if necessary.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,521 ✭✭✭bobmalooka


    I happen to know a few people who pledged 5k each. Hope they're good for it :D

    They really should have used a way where people would have to register as Rangers fans first or something, that site is just asking for fake pledges.


  • Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional North East Moderators Posts: 10,869 Mod ✭✭✭✭PauloMN


    Jelle1880 wrote: »
    It's an estimate obviously, but I think it does give a fair overview that fans are willing to chip in if necessary.

    Seriously, don't kid yourself. Even assuming only genuine pledges have been counted, how much of that money do you think could actually be realised?

    You would be doing extremely well to get even 5% of that in actual money from fans. That would cover around a week of the interest you guys are being charged for unpaid taxes.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,623 ✭✭✭lubo_moravcik


    Jelle1880 wrote: »
    So how much has each of my fellow bears pledged to saverangers?

    Total would be around 5m so far, not counting the obviously massive amount of pledges from our good friends in green and grey :cool:
    how much have you pledged though? I'm in for 75,000 so far


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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,406 ✭✭✭Pompey Magnus


    A far better scheme would be if you organised a petition to the Administrators requesting them to invalidate all season tickets and allow you all to pay at the gate.

    Instead of just sitting around setting up websites and pledging imaginary money which is open to abuse who not actually go and do something which might actually help.

    Were there many volunteers with buckets around Ibrox at the last game collecting from the fans? £5 from every fan would have raised enough to match what White/Whyte got for the Arsenal shares.


  • Registered Users Posts: 9,839 ✭✭✭Jelle1880


    And do what, hand over the money to Whyte/The administrators ?

    Paul Murray is meeting with them to talk about a possible take-over of the club, until there is no more information about that (Or possible other offers) there's not much use in collecting money now.

    The website was a mere indication to see, if necessary, if the fans would be willing to give money.

    Make of that what you will, I'm certain that if asked many of the fans would be willing to donate.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,483 ✭✭✭Fenian Army


    I've pledged thousands


  • Registered Users Posts: 9,839 ✭✭✭Jelle1880


    Aye, and your pledge will be weeded out, as will most of the timmy ones ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,553 ✭✭✭✭Dempsey


    Jelle1880 wrote: »
    Aye, and your pledge will be weeded out, as will most of the timmy ones ;)

    The "Rangers" pledges will be very reliable information :rolleyes:


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,521 ✭✭✭bobmalooka


    Jelle1880 wrote: »
    Aye, and your pledge will be weeded out, as will most of the timmy ones ;)

    how?

    Just found another 5k I can give :D


  • Registered Users Posts: 9,839 ✭✭✭Jelle1880


    bobmalooka wrote: »
    how?

    Just found another 5k I can give :D

    Because most of them come from 'SeanBhoy1888FTQ' or something like that, I'd assume :D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,239 ✭✭✭✭KeithAFC


    I've pledged thousands
    Good job Fenian Army.


  • Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional North East Moderators Posts: 10,869 Mod ✭✭✭✭PauloMN


    Jelle1880 wrote: »
    Because most of them come from 'SeanBhoy1888FTQ' or something like that, I'd assume :D

    Oh right, so they only counted the "BillyLoyal1690FTP" ones so? ;)


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,666 ✭✭✭blahfckingblah


    Dempsey wrote: »
    The "Rangers" pledges will be very reliable information :rolleyes:

    for every 5k a celtic fan falsely donates a rangers fan will donate 10k :D;)


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,483 ✭✭✭Fenian Army


    Read this today and found it interesting, thought some here might like to read it, so, as the good folks over at saverangers.com will tell you, I'm a very generous man, I decided I'd share.
    EUROPEAN EXAMINER END OF WEEK COMMENT:

    "Goodbye, goodbye, you were the Billy Boys"!

    So let me get this right, with Rangers in administration and in total and utter disarray, we now have the likes of First Minister Alex Salmond and Glasgow University Professor, who is involved in Catholic teacher training, Robert Davis, referring respectively to Rangers as "part of the fabric of the Scottish nation" and a "cultural focus".

    My question to those from politics to academia to beyond; please do tell what history, tradition, culture we are talking about? Please do explain the detail of this "fabric" and "cultural focus"?

    Let me give an anecdote for insight for anyone coming late to the thing which we know as Glasgow Rangers. Growing up in the 1980s it was natural to play football with other boys and girls on the street, in which there were more Aberdeen and Dundee United tops than Rangers, due to the two former, the New Firm, being European powers and the latter being mediocre. However, on meeting up one night one of the Dundee United supporting boys turned around to my brother and myself and told us he was not playing with “a Fenian”. It not being the usual language of a New Firm fan, it was obvious something had happened? Ah yes, he had just attended his first Rangers match under the leadership of Graeme Souness!

    So let me ask again, what is this tradition, culture, history, we are talking about? Again, please do explain the detail of this "fabric" and "cultural focus"?

    No more than 8-years-old, returning from visiting relatives in Glasgow and cramped into a two-hour train journey, packed with post-match Rangers fans who were reminiscing about the recent away European match in Dublin. The talk was not about the game but about attacking Dubliners, invading homes and ripping down Rosary Beads from walls, etc, etc, etc. One part of the two-hour-hate-spew, which has never in 30 years left me, was the scholarly argument over Terry Wogan and Gloria Hunniford. In essence, Mr Wogan was “a f***ing Fenian”, while “f***ing Fenian Hunniford” was a case of mistaken identity as she was really Glorious Gloria, a good Protestant – or at very least “no a f***ing Fenian”!

    Those same grown men should not have been talking like that, full stop. Those same grown men should not have been talking like that in front of strangers, full stop. Those same grown men should not have been talking like that in front of a mother and her two small children, full stop.

    And as we left the train that night, with half of the same group disembarking at the same stop, it is only now you realize they knew who we were and what they were doing. They knew we were part of the local five per cent Catholic population. But to bully and intimidate and dominate is part of their DNA. They might as well have said that for every fiver we spent on train fares they would spend ten!!

    So, let’s try again, exactly what is this history, tradition, culture we are talking about? And again, please do explain the detail of this "fabric" and "cultural focus"?

    But of course that is all in the pre-Mo Johnstone-ok-now-lets-sign-Catholics-not-because-bigotry-is-wrong-but-because-we-need-to-to-win-trophies days?

    March 2011, as now a proud father with small children who are starting to wake up to the beauties of football. Flicking on the television excitedly to watch the Scottish League Cup Final, a Glasgow derby between Celtic and Rangers, we had all been reassured by the SNP Government that the authorities were now prepared to clamp down on “sectarianism” – aka. anti-Catholicism.

    However, it was, to put it simply, a 120 minutes of reality hate-TV, in which the majority of the 25,000 Rangers fans - not this mystical minority which I oft hear - were forced to sing songs aimed at my small children for having the temerity to be “a Fenian”!!!

    And for the record, unless one was seriously opposed to gay dance culture, the iconic Depeche Mode anthem “I Just Can’t Get Enough” being belted out by the Celtic support would, in all honesty, struggle to get into any songs-that-are-banned list….

    To add insult to injury, we then had the leading SNP Governmental Minister, laughably the then Justice Secretary, thanking the fans by saying: “This was the showpiece final everyone wanted to see, and a great advert for Scottish football…(the) fans contributed to a memorable occasion”.

    So let’s try one more time – what is it exactly we are talking about when people refer to Rangers’ history, tradition, culture? For the final time, please do explain the detail of this "fabric" and "cultural focus"?

    Salmond himself, although now backtracking, even tried to claim it would be bad for Celtic and Scottish football. Alec my good fellow, you have just spent the most part of 2011 telling me that football and politics don’t mix! Why are you speaking on this?

    Also, you have spent a large part of 2011 playing down the importance of football. Well, guess what Alec, I agree with you, for there are far more important things than football. For the sake of Scottish society it will be a great thing if Rangers descend into the abyss. I never ever want my children coming home and asking me tearfully, “Daddy, what’s a Fenian”?

    With lack of public honesty, and with life being short, I have to be honest and starkly state that Rangers on their bigoted deathbed is good for Scottish society. And more specifically, good for the 16 per cent Catholic minority, a community which still lives with a legacy of vulnerability.

    Why does Rangers matter so much on a sociological level? It is simple logic. The better Rangers are, the more people are attracted to watch them, the more they bring their children, and the more anti-Catholicism and anti-Irish Catholicism is normalized, encouraged and spread.

    Let us not kid ourselves, Rangers’ history, tradition, culture has been a lightening rod, a generator and catalyst for hate towards an immigrant people. A disposed people. A people, at best, ignored. A people, at worst, despised..

    But on the more trivial point, Scottish football will do well without Rangers. It is the Souness revolution, 1986 onwards, which destroyed Scottish football. It perverted the market to the point where Aberdeen, Dundee United – a club that is still 4-0 up against the mighty Barcelona when it comes to European competitive matches – and Hearts became what they are today. With their lavish spending, Rangers did not just steal the best players from these teams but also their support-base.

    With the demise of Rangers, maybe these fans, and certainly their children, will return to the Pittodries, the Tannadices, the Tynecastles. Then there will be proper competition. And I for one will be pleased to simply curse other teams for beating Celtic on purely football grounds. But I’ll be pleased at a later date to remember, with fond memories, great non-Celtic teams, as I do with Alex Ferguson’s Aberdeen and Jim McLean’s Dundee United.

    What I’ll never do is reminisce about Rangers, a club which made my life growing up in Scotland, as an Irish-Scottish Catholic, that bit harder.

    I am prepared to forgive Rangers for this scar on Scottish society – but only once an official apology is offered to the Catholic community in Scotland.

    But what I am not prepared to do is foolishly forget the hatred – and I most certainly am not prepared to foolishly pay for the privilege of being hated with my taxes.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,279 ✭✭✭✭A Dub in Glasgo




  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,483 ✭✭✭Fenian Army


    Yup thats it, I forgot the link. Was emailed that today, cant say I've ever read anything else on the site but I thought the article was thought provoking


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,279 ✭✭✭✭A Dub in Glasgo


    Just pledged £1,500 to the cause


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,239 ✭✭✭✭KeithAFC


    the more they bring their children, and the more anti-Catholicism
    Didn't think there was anything wrong with that Mr Bitter. Get it up ya.

    Anyway, I would rather the Rangers start again in division 3 than accept points punishments to get back into the SPL. It would be like old school in division 3. Going to awful wee grounds and winning every week. Would be great to be honest.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,553 ✭✭✭✭Dempsey


    KeithAFC wrote: »
    Didn't think there was anything wrong with that Mr Bitter. Get it up ya.

    Anyway, I would rather the Rangers start again in division 3 than accept points punishments to get back into the SPL. It would be like old school in division 3. Going to awful wee grounds and winning every week. Would be great to be honest.

    Ye start over, all your current players walk on freedom of contract. Imagine all the mercenaries you'd be hiring down there in Division 3 just be competing. Your new club wouldnt even be fit enough to quote Bill Struth's shít talk :pac:


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,666 ✭✭✭blahfckingblah


    Whats the point in competing if all you want is walkovers week in week out?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,239 ✭✭✭✭KeithAFC


    Dempsey wrote: »
    Ye start over, all your current players walk on freedom of contract. Imagine all the mercenaries you'd be hiring down there in Division 3 just be competing. Your new club wouldnt even be fit enough to quote Bill Struth's shít talk :pac:
    Just play ourselves back up again. Won't take long to get back into the top division again. Will be good fun.

    Plus it would be interesting to see what the BBC and Sky think if we decided to go into division 3 and not take a points cut. No OF games, possibly no TV deals. The media would have little to talk about, which may harm their own jobs as they will have less to report. Would be amazing when you think about it. Division 3 here we come :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,553 ✭✭✭✭Dempsey


    Ya, good luck with that! :rolleyes:


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,239 ✭✭✭✭KeithAFC


    Dempsey wrote: »
    Ya, good luck with that! :rolleyes:
    Cheers. I don't see what problem you would have with us going into division 3.


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