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World Cup 1994 Qualifying

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  • #52
    dreamers75
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,558 ✭✭✭✭dreamers75


    dfx- wrote: »
    A great article from the Guardian remembering the 17th November 1993, the final night of qualifying for the World Cup. A reassuringly long read.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/2012/feb/15/forgotten-story-17-november-1993

    Great read.


  • #53
    Jesus Wept
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,243 ✭✭✭✭Jesus Wept


    I was on holiday in Italy in 1996 with my Uncle and cousins, we went to San Marino to try to find Davide Gualtieri, shake his hand. Not a single person knew who or what or what we were talking about.

    Most disappointing.

    Childhood hero of mine.


  • #54
    briany
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,219 ✭✭✭✭briany


    The-Rigger wrote: »
    I was on holiday in Italy in 1996 with my Uncle and cousins, we went to San Marino to try to find Davide Gualtieri, shake his hand. Not a single person knew who or what or what we were talking about.

    Most disappointing.

    Childhood hero of mine.

    Davide Gualtieri is to England what Manuel Marani is to Ireland.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FBfuUZ6V-KI


  • #55
    Fr Tod Umptious
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,392 ✭✭✭✭Fr Tod Umptious


    briany wrote: »
    Davide Gualtieri is to England what Manuel Marani is to Ireland.

    True, and Eire were very lucky to get out of there with a win that night, scoring deep in injury time.

    On another thread someone posted that the Stanton era is now purged from our FIFA rankings calculation, another small step on the way to those horrid few years becoming a distant memory.


  • #56
    Jesus Wept
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,243 ✭✭✭✭Jesus Wept


    lol@Eire.


  • #57
    Fr Tod Umptious
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,392 ✭✭✭✭Fr Tod Umptious


    The-Rigger wrote: »
    lol@Eire.

    Yes Eire

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  • #58
    _blank_
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    The-Rigger wrote: »
    lol@Eire.

    The name of the country, as said in the Constitution?

    What's "lol" about that, then?


  • #59
    Ironman76
    Registered Users Posts: 518 ✭✭✭Ironman76


    And so the derailment begins . . .


  • #60
    The_Kew_Tour
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,424 ✭✭✭✭The_Kew_Tour


    Amazing the way something so small can create havoc.


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  • #61
    28064212
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    Des wrote: »
    The name of the country, as said in the Constitution?

    What's "lol" about that, then?
    The name of the State is Éire, or, in the English language, Ireland.
    So unless you're in the habit of changing languages mid-sentence, it's Ireland

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  • #62
    The_Kew_Tour
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    briany wrote: »
    We'll have to wait until it comes to pass that NI are competing at a major finals where ROI are not to really get an idea of the numbers.



    We may be waiting a while........

    Honestly I can't see it.

    but like you said nobody can be sure till it happens and we may never know;)


  • #63
    stovelid
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    Some match, all the same.


  • #64
    dfx-
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    briany wrote: »
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FBfuUZ6V-KI

    That is one of my favourite ever goals:D


  • #65
    Fr Tod Umptious
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,392 ✭✭✭✭Fr Tod Umptious


    dfx- wrote: »
    That is one of my favourite ever goals:D

    It's stunning how shambolic the defence was, what the F**k were the three of them at.


  • #66
    stovelid
    Closed Accounts Posts: 27,252 ✭✭✭✭stovelid


    28064212 wrote: »
    So unless you're in the habit of changing languages mid-sentence, it's Ireland

    Or The Free State.


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  • #67
    _blank_
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    stovelid wrote: »
    Or The Free State.

    That's only Northern Nationalists.

    Mexico is another one.


  • #68
    dfx-
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 15,693 Mod ✭✭✭✭dfx-


    Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »
    It's stunning how shambolic the defence was, what the F**k were the three of them at.

    I watched the game with some serious stone-faced Ireland fans and they didn't like when I just burst into laughter. It's a great moment, he's on his knees as he hits it straight at the defender in front of him, the keeper is trying to foul him and then it trickles in.


  • #69
    Fr Tod Umptious
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,392 ✭✭✭✭Fr Tod Umptious


    dfx- wrote: »
    I watched the game with some serious stone-faced Ireland fans and they didn't like when I just burst into laughter. It's a great moment, he's on his knees as he hits it straight at the defender in front of him, the keeper is trying to foul him and then it trickles in.

    I was really disappointed when Stephen Ireland (Eire) got the winner in the 94th minute.


  • #70
    briany
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,219 ✭✭✭✭briany


    dfx- wrote: »
    I watched the game with some serious stone-faced Ireland fans and they didn't like when I just burst into laughter. It's a great moment, he's on his knees as he hits it straight at the defender in front of him, the keeper is trying to foul him and then it trickles in.

    I think even at that stage of the group, the writing was on the wall for the Irish team so you really could only laugh because if you didn't, you'd cry. I laughed too but it was a laugh of exasperation and disbelief. It really highlights the effect a poor manager can have on a decent side as well and thank God those days are gone. For now at least.

    Anyone remember the furore the following day on Liveline?


  • #71
    _blank_
    Closed Accounts Posts: 41,926 ✭✭✭✭_blank_


    Was that the day Dear Leader wheeled out a cancer riddled, feeble old man to face the wrath of the Liveline Hordes?

    Probably the lowest of a litany of low points for Dear Leader.


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  • #72
    amcalester
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,121 ✭✭✭amcalester


    citytillidie wrote: »
    There is a gentlemans agreement between the FA in England Scotland Wales and Northern Ireland that they will not poach players from each country.

    I mean look at all the out cry from Northern Ireland fans about players from the North going to declare for the Republic. They are complaining about all the money spent on them in youth football.

    Look at the big one in England, the English FA spent money on a certain Welsh winger as he went to school in England and even played for England School boys, but because of the argeement he had to play for Wales.

    Maybe one of the best footballers never to play in a World Cup

    Ryan Giggs wasn't eligible to play for England.

    Source: http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2004/oct/06/theknowledge.sport


  • #73
    Orando Broom
    Registered Users Posts: 3,351 ✭✭✭Orando Broom


    briany wrote: »
    I think even at that stage of the group, the writing was on the wall for the Irish team so you really could only laugh because if you didn't, you'd cry. I laughed too but it was a laugh of exasperation and disbelief. It really highlights the effect a poor manager can have on a decent side as well and thank God those days are gone. For now at least.

    Anyone remember the furore the following day on Liveline?

    It was one of those moments for me that I was happy it happened. It was a nadir, the rubicon was crossed at that moment there was NO chance of Staunton keeping the job. For that it was a wonderful moment.


  • #74
    The_Kew_Tour
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,424 ✭✭✭✭The_Kew_Tour


    Staunton put Irish football back quite a bit.

    Goes to show how good Trap is.


  • #75
    SEPT 23 1989
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,028 ✭✭✭✭SEPT 23 1989


    Des wrote: »
    Was that the day Dear Leader wheeled out a cancer riddled, feeble old man to face the wrath of the Liveline Hordes?

    Probably the lowest of a litany of low points for Dear Leader.

    http://pc.rte.ie/2007/pc/pod-v-080207-54m55s-liveline.mp3


  • #76
    _blank_
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    SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »
    http://pc.rte.ie/2007/pc/pod-v-080207-54m55s-liveline.mp3

    thanks, but it was uncomfortable enough listening at the time

    Absolutely disgraceful what that coward did to Robson that day.


  • #77
    dfx-
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 15,693 Mod ✭✭✭✭dfx-


    Des wrote: »
    Was that the day Dear Leader wheeled out a cancer riddled, feeble old man to face the wrath of the Liveline Hordes?

    Probably the lowest of a litany of low points for Dear Leader.

    Also the Bohs fans with a 'Delaney Out' banner at the game was put down to disgruntled Dundalk fans and Staunton claiming it was a good three points and that it'll be a tough place to go for the others.

    There must be a match thread for the game here, I don't remember being around here at the time, must look for it.


  • #78
    briany
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,219 ✭✭✭✭briany


    SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »
    http://pc.rte.ie/2007/pc/pod-v-080207-54m55s-liveline.mp3

    Thanks for the link. God, Bobby really doesn't sound well, does he? Bad times for Irish football and for poor Bobby RIP.


  • #79
    _blank_
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    He'd just had a stroke.

    @dfx- Dear LEader also made Shels fans take down anti-FAI banners, and threatened us with fines for singing a certain song.


  • #80
    stovelid
    Closed Accounts Posts: 27,252 ✭✭✭✭stovelid


    He bought Rovers supporters drinks in Belgrade!


    /fingers in ears


  • #81
    briany
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,219 ✭✭✭✭briany


    dfx- wrote: »
    Also the Bohs fans with a 'Delaney Out' banner at the game was put down to disgruntled Dundalk fans and Staunton claiming it was a good three points and that it'll be a tough place to go for the others.

    There must be a match thread for the game here, I don't remember being around here at the time, must look for it.

    Can't see an official, so to speak, one right off the bat but here's one to do with the game plus some vitriol about it.

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=52746584


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  • #82
    _blank_
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    briany wrote: »
    Can't see an official, so to speak, one right off the bat but here's one to do with the game plus some vitriol about it.

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=52746584

    I got some things pretty much spot on at the start of that thread :cool:


  • #83
    Jesus Wept
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    Des wrote: »
    The name of the country, as said in the Constitution?

    What's "lol" about that, then?



    I heartily lol in the general direction of the Constitution.


  • #84
    _blank_
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    sound AND hilarious.


  • #85
    WoollyRedHat
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    briany wrote: »
    Can't see an official, so to speak, one right off the bat but here's one to do with the game plus some vitriol about it.

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=52746584

    Wow, how times have changed... people lamenting MC Shane as a disappointing omission :D

    Didn't know Long featured as far back as then either.


  • #86
    briany
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,219 ✭✭✭✭briany


    WoollyRedHat wrote: »
    Wow, how times have changed... people lamenting MC Shane as a disappointing omission :D

    Didn't know Long featured as far back as then either.

    Yep, back in the days when McShane was considered a hot prospect on the back of his performance against the Czechs just after the Cyprus debacle. Nowadays people lament him as a disappointing inclusion. I commend his effort but I am glad he's no longer in the squad.


  • #87
    DaveH
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    Can someone help me bring what once was a pretty interesting thread back on topic!!


  • #88
    dreamers75
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,558 ✭✭✭✭dreamers75


    DaveH wrote: »
    Can someone help me bring what once was a pretty interesting thread back on topic!!

    No chance, unless your a proddie or catholic and give a **** about the north.

    great thread before the celtic fans got at it.


  • #89
    dfx-
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 15,693 Mod ✭✭✭✭dfx-


    DaveH wrote: »
    Can someone help me bring what once was a pretty interesting thread back on topic!!

    the original thread idea/article was the defining career moments/tension/last chance saloon moments that the play-offs don't quite bring. Bodin, Ginola, Houllier, Kostadinov, McLoughlin, the Welsh team of Rush/Hughes, Letchkov, the influence of other games like Spain Denmark where the 'as it stands' table keeps moving..


  • #90
    ColeTrain
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    dreamers75 wrote: »
    No chance, unless your a proddie or catholic and give a **** about the north.

    great thread before the celtic fans got at it.

    Those darn Celtic fans. What did they do this time? I can't see it.


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  • #91
    Kidchameleon
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    One thing that nobody seems to understand about the San Marino game is that one of the opponents players had tragically died a few days before the match, there was no way they were not going to score in that game, their emotions were too raw, they done it for him... This was a big factor in that game, we got a different San Marino than usual.


  • #92
    briany
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,219 ✭✭✭✭briany


    DaveH wrote: »
    Can someone help me bring what once was a pretty interesting thread back on topic!!

    You can't really talk about that game at Windsor in '93 without talking about the raw emotion that surrounded the game. I hesitate to say hatred because it's a provocative word so I'll leave it at emotion. I disagree that it was a defining moment in the relationship between the associations, though, and if anyone does find that night a sticking point in their memory then I suggest they be bigger than that and attempt to move beyond it because it's nearly 20 years ago.

    As far as the San Marino angle, I'm probably guilty of starting that one but it had just struck me, based on what another poster had said about seeking out Davide Gualtieri in San Marino to shake his hand, that every side has or will have, given long enough, a "San Marino story" and that Ireland is no exception to this. I know that there were probably people in Ireland and elsewhere who took a certain amount of schadenfreude in that goal but the entertainment value of the Ireland goal was nearly as high. I don't think it broke many records but with the whole farcical Keystone Cops nature of that goal really made my jaw drop at the time.


  • #93
    The_Kew_Tour
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    I actually went to bed at half time as I could not watch the game was only young boy at time.

    i remember hearing a huge roar from TV and straight away I knew Northern Ireland had scored so I cried myself to sleep.

    All I remember next is my Dad waking me telling me Ireland had qualified and told me to get up.

    Got pack of Tayto Crisp and 7up and was able to stay up till about 11pm.

    Dad told me I could take next day off School too.

    I owe McLoughlin a pint sometime:)


  • #94
    The_Kew_Tour
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,424 ✭✭✭✭The_Kew_Tour


    Speaking of Sir Bobby Robson, he would have been 79 today had he still been alive.

    A Happy Birthday to true football man


  • #95
    monkey9
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,337 ✭✭✭✭monkey9


    If this has been mentioned in this thread, apologies. Haven't read it all. But years ago, Paul McGrath brought out an autobiography. (His first one, around 1996). In it, he talked about that amazing night (and it was amazing, i'll never forget McLoughlin's goal)

    As they were boarding the plane, some worker shouted at Niall Quinn "f*ck off you Fenian bastard", to which Quinn responded with "we'll send you a postcard from America"


  • #96
    briany
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,219 ✭✭✭✭briany


    monkey9 wrote: »
    As they were boarding the plane, some worker shouted at Niall Quinn "f*ck off you Fenian bastard", to which Quinn responded with "we'll send you a postcard from America"

    Fair play to Quinn. He wouldn't let himself be cowed by a bitter man like that, especially one with a mouth like that on him.


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  • #97
    The_Kew_Tour
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    Niall Quinn book is actually very good.

    That story about the time they were watching a recording of a Bulgaria v Belgium game is hilarious


  • #98
    SantryRed
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    Kidchameleon wrote: »
    One thing that nobody seems to understand about the San Marino game is that one of the opponents players had tragically died a few days before the match, there was no way they were not going to score in that game, their emotions were too raw, they done it for him... This was a big factor in that game, we got a different San Marino than usual.

    what a load of sh1te. It's San Marino.


  • #99
    iroced
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    AnCapaillMor wrote: »
    He was a scapegoat, they lost at home to the bottom club after being 2 up and then lost at home to bulgaria and it was all ginola's fault not the managers fault. They shouldn't have been in that position in the first place. It was used very succesfully to get the blame away from the manager.

    This.

    And Houiller has always been great to put the blame on others (Ginola in 1993), Domenech in 2010 although he was his main support pushing for his renewal after Euro 2008 humiliation.

    I don't know how Liverpool fans are seeing him but as a French, Houiller is associated with 2 of the 3 French football catastrophies of the last 20 years (the 3rd being WC '02). He did a good job in Lyon though but he should stick to club football. He never brought anything good to the national team.


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