"boy racers" not welcome?

homer simpson · 30-04-2012 12:57am #1

With the risk of opening a whole can of worms;

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This was printed in the program for the Killarney rally of the lakes. It has caused huge debate in some circle's and wondering what ye guys thought of it (be nice!)

Me personally I think some people are picking it up wrong. It's aimed at people doing things that are illegal on public roads. I've seen it with my own 2 eye's he in Donegal over rally weekend a main road was blocked for a few hours due to people lining up and doing donuts at a wide part or the road, hundreds of car's watching and taking part = road blocked. The problem lays with Joe Public who then makes the assumption that edjits are associated with rallying when in truth they don't tend to go to any stage's of the rally at all, they use it as an excuse to pile into every junction and throw a few hoops. The club have every right to try and end the association between the 2, "boy racers" + rallying.

Here's where people are getting wound up about it, they believe they are saying anyone with a modified car "stay away" far from it. I see a boy racer as someone who has no regard for the rules of the road and will throw hoops at every chance they get, they are also more likely to have no tax ect ect. Whereas someone with a modified (or even unmodified) car that looks nice and is taken car of is classed as a car enthusiast. Big big difference IMO. The enthusiast's tend not to mess at all (outside of a controlled environment at least).

So what say ye boardsies?

JimmyCrackCorn · 30-04-2012 2:07am

Every single rally I have been martialling at has had issues and has had complaints from locals not in regard to the rally itself
In relation to some of the people it draws.

The last Galway international rally I stayed with a friend in the country actually on one of the stages. A number of cars flew down the road at all hours flat and loud. So much so the locals put up signs as complaint reminding people of the speed limit. The usual diffing and messing went on all over Galway also you’d need to be deaf not to notice.

I’m a little bit old but remember when the Galway rally was cancelled due to messing in Salthill.

Btw as a former modified car owner (between cars), Rally folk are car enthusiasts and can tell the difference between an enthusiast and
a muppet.

Unfortunately the world is not short of Muppets and it only takes a handful to ruin something for everyone.

stoneill · 30-04-2012 2:10am

Look like they picked it up absolutely right.

It says protect your sport - report boy racers.

Yakult · 30-04-2012 2:36am

Lazy & unthoughtful effort imo.
If they block off all the car parks and similar opened area's theirs only one place left for them to go and that's the public road. Give them the safer option at least and let them have a open area somewhat away from the populous where AGS have a presence but let the diffin etc continue. The racing would be harder to stem out but they surely the AGS would know the hot spots for this activity by now.

Sterling Archer · 30-04-2012 2:43am

I think its been seen by some people that the locals and gards are going to use it as an excuse to (for lack of a better word) ban any car that is a "boy racer" car or even someone who looks like a "boy racer" .. which could be slightly slanderous if it happens to be the wrong person,

I also think the more naive of you people eg the fellas going down to go messing, have an image of garda checkpoints outside town turning away cars,

But i think it's a good move by the organizers, when i was younger it was always "are you going to the lakes, there'll be loads of messing, you can get away with anything" an image it really needs to shake off, and they have made a good start at it over the last few years... as over the last two years it has been easier to spot the "boy racers" and MCE, because the "boy racers" are pushed further and further out of town, where as the MCE are usually parked or asleep.

jimmycrackcorm · 30-04-2012 3:13am

They got the photo spot on in picking one of a Twin Cam.

Denise90 · 30-04-2012 3:25am

I don't see why people that own a modified car are getting wound up about it. It clearly states "boy racers" and if a modified car enthusiast is getting offended, are they not putting themselves in the eejit category?

stoneill · 30-04-2012 6:26am

Denise90 wrote: »

I don't see why people that own a modified car are getting wound up about it. It clearly states "boy racers" and if a modified car enthusiast is getting offended, are they not putting themselves in the eejit category?

I agree - the organisers do not want dangerous immature boy racer activities to tarnish the sport of rallying. Modify the car all you want - just don't be an árse.

De Hipster · 30-04-2012 1:03pm

I’m delighted that Killarney rally of the lakes are actually putting this out there & distancing themselves from the trouble-making antics of these boy-racers.
It is long over-due that the powers that be in Irish Rallying openly and actively did something to prevent the sport being hijacked by boy racers who land at events, burning donuts, breaking the law and generally making a public nuisance of themselves while being associated with rallying which has a difficult enough existence getting event insurance, competitor numbers, road closing orders, garda assistance, residential cooperation, crowd acceptance… etc.

Boy Racers – you are NOT welcome, this has been spelled out for you.

If you want to gather & do donuts (and whatever else floats your particular boats), organise your own events with insurance, closed areas, services areas, garda cooperation, residential approval etc, etc.

CianRyan · 30-04-2012 1:12pm

jimmycrackcorm wrote: »

They got the photo spot on in picking one of a Twin Cam.

Don't know what you mean by that, is every 86 driver in the country automatically a boy racer?
That's the sort of attitude that I'd be against.

I'm definitely on the side of the rally with this one but picking out certain cars and saying you don't want them around in case they're boy racers is just ridiculous, not to mention defamation of character.
There needs to be a stronger Garda presence and a tougher fist going down when they come across people acting the maggot.

De Hipster · 30-04-2012 1:21pm

CianRyan wrote: »

Don't know what you mean by that, is every 86 driver in the country automatically a boy racer?
That's the sort of attitude that I'd be against.

I'm definitely on the side of the rally with this one but picking out certain cars and saying you don't want them around in case they're boy racers is just ridiculous, not to mention defamation of character.
There needs to be a stronger Garda presence and a tougher fist going down when they come across people acting the maggot.

This is all well & good, but rallying is a non-profit sport which is largely run by volunteers and for the benefit of the sport.

If you have been to any of the international TROA events you will be well aware of what the organisers are trying to highlight - trouble-making, law-breaking, donutting twincam drivers and their ilk.

(Not all twincam/modified drivers but I'd hazard a stab at a 80-90% figure ...apologies to the other 10-20% for any offence caused, this message is not aimed at the rally fans & law-abiding citizens...twincam drivers or other).

Simple fact is that if they stay away - the club has achieved it's aim - Protecting their event, an event with a proud history & years of good relations with local authorities and residents which is being put at risk by people who are not interested in the sport and are using/abusing events to their own ends.

challengemaster · 30-04-2012 6:44pm

CianRyan wrote: »

Don't know what you mean by that, is every 86 driver in the country automatically a boy racer?
That's the sort of attitude that I'd be against.

You're right in the matter that it comes down to the person not the car, but certain cars are more prone to ending up in the hands of these clowns.

Not all 86 owners are, but more than a fair share of them are owned by idiots. Same goes for civics - there's plenty of tits going around in tarted up 1.4s with exhausts you can hear for miles away, that doesn't mean the SiR/Type R owners are all tits too, nor does it mean that anyone with a SiR/Type R is incapable of being a tit.

Tomebagel · 30-04-2012 7:01pm

jimmycrackcorm wrote: »

They got the photo spot on in picking one of a Twin Cam.

Please explain.

Sterling Archer · 30-04-2012 7:16pm

challengemaster wrote: »

nor does it mean that anyone with a SiR/Type R is incapable of being a tit.

Nor is any motorist, given the right circumstantial

Owen · 30-04-2012 7:23pm

Tomebagel wrote: »

Please explain.

TBH, nearly everyone I see in a Twin Cam, today included, drives like a tit. Flat out everywhere. You don't buy a car like that to drive 30mph to the shops. It's bought for it's drifting/diffing ability and nothing more. That's the buying motive, and unfortunately that's what they're used for - showboating.

I've had to report a Twin Cam to the Gards for tearing up the hard shoulder in Cork at 100mph, and swinging across to the overtaking lane between cars in heavy traffic and then slamming on the brakes. I've also had to report one for doing donuts before on the way into Fermoy when there was roadworks - the lane exiting was empty, cue one muppet drifting the entire way the other direction just for the hell of it.

Sterling Archer · 30-04-2012 7:28pm

Owen wrote: »

You don't buy a car like that to drive 30mph to the shops. It's bought for it's drifting/diffing ability and nothing more. That's the buying motive, and unfortunately that's what they're used for - showboating.

That's a generalization, i know of 2 people that own them as Show cars

Owen · 30-04-2012 7:33pm

Of course it's a generalisation. I'm well aware it is.

Unfortunately, the majority of Twin Cam owners are twats. So while it is a generalisation, and there are a few exceptions - that's it. There's a few. The dogs on the street know most Twin Cam owners act the maggot when they know they can get away with it. Trying to hide it behind political correctness 'oh, not everyone's like that' is retarded.

Sterling Archer · 30-04-2012 7:44pm

I was just pointing it out, not trying to hide it behind anything, the vast majority of ae86 owners are you lads driving the nuts out of them BUT there are people who aren't, this is where trouble might start at the rally with some Stuarts, Joe & Mary Soap, going there's a boy racer, call they guards, they are banned from town this weekend,

it seems to single out the ae86, buy a lot of people know there many different cars used.
Then again, it appears they also used a mustang in the picture.

FishHook · 30-04-2012 7:51pm

De Hipster wrote: »

I’m delighted that Killarney rally of the lakes are actually putting this out there & distancing themselves from the trouble-making antics of these boy-racers.
It is long over-due that the powers that be in Irish Rallying openly and actively did something to prevent the sport being hijacked by boy racers who land at events, burning donuts, breaking the law and generally making a public nuisance of themselves while being associated with rallying which has a difficult enough existence getting event insurance, competitor numbers, road closing orders, garda assistance, residential cooperation, crowd acceptance… etc.

Boy Racers – you are NOT welcome, this has been spelled out for you.

If you want to gather & do donuts (and whatever else floats your particular boats), organise your own events with insurance, closed areas, services areas, garda cooperation, residential approval etc, etc.

Agree 100%!! One good thing about the increase in the price of petrol is that it has forced a lot of these clowns off the road.

Pdfile · 01-05-2012 6:19am

Owen wrote: »

Of course it's a generalisation. I'm well aware it is.

Unfortunately, the majority of Twin Cam owners are twats. So while it is a generalisation, and there are a few exceptions - that's it. There's a few. The dogs on the street know most Twin Cam owners act the maggot when they know they can get away with it. Trying to hide it behind political correctness 'oh, not everyone's like that' is retarded.

couldn't agree more.

JimmyCrackCorn · 01-05-2012 12:14pm

The 86 was picked because it has a long history of doughnutting in car parks going back to the 80s.
If you were going to pick a car for the advert it would be that or something with a wing the size of a 747.

Once again it only takes a handful of muppets to give everyone a bad name.
I genuinely hope they do get reported its the only way things will change.

misterdeeds · 01-05-2012 12:34pm

yep i'm in that boat, hate them (the idiot ones ) though the majority of the lads girls are sensible and fair play to them they could well be on the town making trouble etc, as for the idiots who go around speeding in their noisy cars there the ones who make it harder for the sensible ones to enjoy their cars after all I'M sure enough money has gone into them as people tent to think all lads/girls are "boy racers" which isin't the case. By no means am I "boy racer" or do I drive a suped up car, just jumping to the defence of a small handful of people I happen to be friends with and are responsible with their cars.

davidsr20 · 01-05-2012 1:24pm

I'm a genuine car lover and have had lots of sports cars(skylines , silvias, etc) over the last ten years,I'm now 31 but still enjoy the bit of crack but never acted the mick in any of my cars as I'm also a mechanic.
I think ye are missing the point of what revenue and money this brings to Killarney for that weekend so if they clamp down hard on every modified car then it will be a to total flop next year.
And it's 80% of the lads with the modified cars that bring the money in to the town each spending prob €500 that weekend.
I do agree they should have some car park rented for messing as it would be safer and keep it off the roads.
Roll on the weekend

De Hipster · 01-05-2012 1:57pm

davidsr20 wrote: »

I'm a genuine car lover and have had lots of sports cars(skylines , silvias, etc) over the last ten years,I'm now 31 but still enjoy the bit of crack but never acted the mick in any of my cars as I'm also a mechanic.
I think ye are missing the point of what revenue and money this brings to Killarney for that weekend so if they clamp down hard on every modified car then it will be a to total flop next year.
And it's 80% of the lads with the modified cars that bring the money in to the town each spending prob €500 that weekend.
I do agree they should have some car park rented for messing as it would be safer and keep it off the roads.
Roll on the weekend

Killarney has long battled with the local community groups to maintain one of the longest standing and best rally events this country has to offer.

Clamping down on muppets who arrive in large groups with modified motors who then set to camping beside the venue, setting camp fire in residential areas, creating havoc on the roads and generally making a nuisance of themselves who also have little or no interest in the sporting event is causing major PR & garda liaison issues locally and threatening the future of the event is a good thing.

Killarney & District Motor Club is not & should not be responsible for arranging venues for diffing etc which is not related to the event itself - believe me organising a rally of the scale of Killarney is plenty of work in itself...should they also arrange taxis to the stages for spectators who drink and consider driving?!

homer simpson · 01-05-2012 2:06pm

David, that's just all wrong. The only place that is likely to benefit is mc Donald or kfc. The messers don't buy a program, don't stay in hotels or a b&b they don't go out and don't even buy their drink they bring it with them most of the time.

All they are interested in is diffing. They stay up to all hours then sleep in their cars, usually during the day.

They would not be missed in the slightest revenue wise . Did anyone else see the poster they done up(its too vulgar to put up here). Sayi ng kdmc are xxxx a mans face with an x through it saying wxxker not welcome. And best of all is "protect our good name, keep her sideways see you all on mols gap".

my fear now is they will block a few stages and get them cancelled.

De Hipster · 01-05-2012 2:17pm

homer_simpson wrote: »

David, that's just all wrong. The only place that is likely to benefit is mc Donald or kfc. The messers don't buy a program, don't stay in hotels or a b&b they don't go out and don't even buy their drink they bring it with them most of the time.

All they are interested in is diffing. They stay up to all hours then sleep in their cars, usually during the day.

They would not be missed in the slightest revenue wise . Did anyone else see the poster they done up(its too vulgar to put up here). Sayi ng kdmc are xxxx a mans face with an x through it saying wxxker not welcome. And best of all is "protect our good name, keep her sideways see you all on mols gap".

my fear now is they will block a few stages and get them cancelled.

This is exactly the issue...they have NO interest in Motorsport or the preservation of the sport. They also have no measurable idea of the damage they are causing to the good name of clubs like KDMC and the previous goodwill built up over the years with councils, garda, residents etc.

Rallying will pay the ultimate price here while these little scrotes will eventually grow up, move on and become regular members of society once the appeal of modding & diffing on public roads has worn off.

davidsr20 · 01-05-2012 2:46pm

I think ye are picking it up wrong , I know hundreds of lads that have b&b and hotel booked but yes they are not boy racers but are car enthusiasts that's my point.
Yes u will get messers but they are just idiots.
My point is us that are big car enthusiasts should not be painted with the same brush.

De Hipster · 01-05-2012 2:49pm

davidsr20 wrote: »

I think ye are picking it up wrong , I know hundreds of lads that have b&b and hotel booked but yes they are not boy racers but are car enthusiasts that's my point.
Yes u will get messers but they are just idiots.
My point is us that are big car enthusiasts should not be painted with the same brush.

David, I think you are picking it up wrong...if you are not the stereotypical boy-racer who diffs & donuts @ all hours of the day & night on public roads then the poster is not aimed at you.

Bring your car to the rally, attend the stages, obey the marshalls request & drive like a civilised human being while enjoying the rally & related entertainment & people will plainly see that you are a rally fan and not a threat to the sport.

homer simpson · 01-05-2012 2:52pm

davidsr20 wrote: »

I think ye are picking it up wrong , I know hundreds of lads that have b&b and hotel booked but yes they are not boy racers but are car enthusiasts that's my point.
Yes u will get messers but they are just idiots.
My point is us that are big car enthusiasts should not be painted with the same brush.

Thats the point of my OP, lol.

This poster / ad is calling for the boy racers to stay away. I've seen lots of discussions about this where people are "up in arms" about it saying exactly what you say, don't paint everyone with the same brush. But again this ad is aimed at boy racers not car enthusiast's.

Joe soap tar's all people involved with rallying with the one brush, by associating differs and the rally crowd as one. The point of the ad is to show Joe Soap that rallying is distancing itself from the differs!

Carazy · 01-05-2012 5:17pm

Ok lets just point out the lack of thought that went into this:

It has a photo of a car at a controlled event (notice tyres in the backround). A controlled event just like a rally, the driver is doing nothing wrong in the photo.

It uses the phrase 'boy racer' which is a lazy cop-out wording for the add.

Personally I think the biggest problem associated with the rally is the drunkeness that decends onto the town over the weekend. Every year 30-40 and upwards are arrested for Public Order offences and you can bet your bottom dollar that half of these arrests rally bridgade 'subaru jacket' and any other jacket that they wear to feel part of a team the sit on a ditch and ogle over.

01-05-2012 5:44pm

GAS OUT!!! ALL THE OTHER VIDEOS OF RALLY DRIVERS "MESSING" IN **PUBLIC** PLACES HAVE BEEN REMOVED BAR THIS, WHICH ISNT TOO BAD BUT HAVE SEEN THE VIDEOS BEFORE OF THIS MK2 ON CROSSROADS, WHILE CARS ARE PASSING... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9m647obOMg and another too add http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ibhs1vA99f4&feature=related and again http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DbV5J3UJHBo&feature=related

homer simpson · 01-05-2012 5:47pm

21121993 wrote: »

GAS OUT!!! ALL THE OTHER VIDEOS OF RALLY DRIVERS "MESSING" IN **PUBLIC** PLACES HAVE BEEN REMOVED BAR THIS, WHICH ISNT TOO BAD BUT HAVE SEEN THE VIDEOS BEFORE OF THIS MK2 ON CROSSROADS, WHILE CARS ARE PASSING...NOT ANY DIFFERENT FROM WHAT OTHERS YOUR SLATING DO http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9m647obOMg

You'll find most of the videos that have been removed from youtube but also drivers have lost their license's over the head of messing on public road's. The motorclubs have also been known to not accept entries from drivers who have been messers if they didn't lose their rally license.

You'll find that that type of behaviour isn't welcome at rallying in any way shape or form!

P.S. Is there any need for the CAPS ON FOR THE WHOLE POST?

carazy wrote:

Ok lets just point out the lack of thought that went into this:

It has a photo of a car at a controlled event (notice tyres in the backround). A controlled event just like a rally, the driver is doing nothing wrong in the photo.

It uses the phrase 'boy racer' which is a lazy cop-out wording for the add.

Personally I think the biggest problem associated with the rally is the drunkeness that decends onto the town over the weekend. Every year 30-40 and upwards are arrested for Public Order offences and you can bet your bottom dollar that half of these arrests rally bridgade 'subaru jacket' and any other jacket that they wear to feel part of a team the sit on a ditch and ogle over.

I fully agree it is badly worded and could have been done differently, its kinda the point of the thread here in a way. I was trying to highlight the fact that the ad wasn't an attempt to tell all mod car drivers that they aren't welcome, its more a deterant aimed at the illegal differs. Gladly though it seems most of the people here seem to agree with the point the ad is trying to convey and it seems that majority of the people who are getting rattled about this (on facebook and other forums) are the messers themselves (not always the case though).

On the public order offences comment, thats wrong someone over on a different forum brought up the PO offences and it was no higher than any other weekend, was surprised at that myself. But it is the same as anything really you'll find that there are bad eggs that follow every sport.

afatbollix · 01-05-2012 5:56pm

I thought it would be pritty obvious who the club are aiming this add at.

The lads who go down and just act the fool from Friday night to Monday. Anyone who breaks the law should be reported. Be it diffin in some car park at 2am keeping the locals up or like reports of last year closing a main road to let some lads do some donuts on a public road that should of been open!!

Basically the add says don't be a dick over the rally weekend.

homer simpson · 01-05-2012 5:58pm

homer_simpson wrote: »

On the public order offences comment, thats wrong someone over on a different forum brought up the PO offences and it was no higher than any other weekend, was surprised at that myself. But it is the same as anything really you'll find that there are bad eggs that follow every sport.

Here ya go....

58 Arrests

34 - Public Order
15 Drunk Driving
3 Dangerous Driving
6 Drug Searches

Percentage Car Related = 31%
Percentage Public Order = 59%

2008

64 arrests
12 Drink driving
13 Drugs offence
6- Dangerous Driving
33 Public Order

Percentage car related - 39%
Percentage Public Order - 52%

2009
26 Arrests
3- Drunk Driving
2-Dangerous Driving
21-Public Order Offences

Hunter21 · 01-05-2012 6:15pm

I'm no real person to speak about acting the maggot on roads but I have been charged for doing doughnuts at a rally before. Many years ago now, but it opened my eyes! Since that night I sold the rwd an never looked back as its a mugs game!

Most doughnutters/handbrake queens couldn't drive a thumbtack in a bog with a frying pan!! I was one of them I'll admit.

I feel sorry when I see the younger generation messing on roads in their rwds, talking from experience there is no skill in doing doughnuts. It's all an ego show!! And dangerous as the crowd gets away too close to a car blackening a main road.

One year back at the rally I witnessed five Garda vehicles trying to get an ambulance through all the differs/messers/hooligans/car enthusiasts on the main cork road. How would you like it if it was you or your relation in the ambulance that died because they couldn't get to hospital fast enough.

One thing that amuses me is how all these doughnutters come to rallies to do wreck and are as quite as mice on the roads around a prodrift drifting event!!!

If I could I'd happily join the guards in Killarney this week tell em which things shouldn't be on a car, where the messing happens and show them some of the cheap heaps of cars with welded diffs in them! I'd even bring a box of ratchets to open the diffs to show the guards. I am a passionate rally fan, and travel the length a breath of the country following a sport big in Ireland but has a taboo attached to it due to a minority.

There's a time and place for everything! Differs bring no money to Killarney as the lack of sleep and cleaning up Costs the townspeople more money then income.

Carazy · 01-05-2012 6:33pm

homer_simpson wrote: »

On the public order offences comment, thats wrong someone over on a different forum brought up the PO offences and it was no higher than any other weekend, was surprised at that myself. But it is the same as anything really you'll find that there are bad eggs that follow every sport.

What other town of 13,500 has that many of arrests (21,33,34 people) on the May Bank Holiday weekend?! I viewed that thread too but only found evidence that the PO offences were increased due to the rally being on that weekend!

challengemaster · 01-05-2012 7:12pm

davidsr20 wrote: »

I think ye are picking it up wrong , I know hundreds of lads that have b&b and hotel booked but yes they are not boy racers but are car enthusiasts that's my point.
Yes u will get messers but they are just idiots.
My point is us that are big car enthusiasts should not be painted with the same brush.

What it seems to me like is that people are getting upset because they've just realised that they fit the boy racer stereotype.

If people are genuine car enthusiasts, they need to have a long think as to why they're so offended by this. That poster is as vague as it gets, so the only people painting them with the same brush is themselves. So if they've suddenly had the realisation they're not as separated from the boy racer scene as they'd like to think they are, that's their own issue to sort out.

As for the whole idea of "Sure if the messers never go to the rally there'd be no income at all"... sort of a flawed idea.

One reason a lot of actual enthusiasts don't go is because there is such a high proportion of tits to actual people who love motorsports. So if less idiots go, more genuinely interested people will.

Also, if there's less people acting the idiot, the motorsport scene might actually benefit and grow from it.

De Hipster · 01-05-2012 7:35pm

challengemaster wrote: »

What it seems to me like is that people are getting upset because they've just realised that they fit the boy racer stereotype.

If people are genuine car enthusiasts, they need to have a long think as to why they're so offended by this. That poster is as vague as it gets, so the only people painting them with the same brush is themselves. So if they've suddenly had the realisation they're not as separated from the boy racer scene as they'd like to think they are, that's their own issue to sort out.

As for the whole idea of "Sure if the messers never go to the rally there'd be no income at all"... sort of a flawed idea.

One reason a lot of actual enthusiasts don't go is because there is such a high proportion of tits to actual people who love motorsports. So if less idiots go, more genuinely interested people will.

Also, if there's less people acting the idiot, the motorsport scene might actually benefit and grow from it.

Finally - the point is clear!

It's also worth noting that if genuine car enthusiasts are offended by the ad specifically aimed at boy-racing diffing trouble-makers and are having trouble distancing themselves from this stereotype...think how difficult it is for the motorclubs to differentiate between boy-racers and licensed motorsport events with local residents.

Muttly · 01-05-2012 9:48pm

I think everyone is missing the point. MCE's are annoyed by this because your average person can't tell/doesn't want to know the difference between a boy racer and MCE. MCE's are qorried that by simply being there cops will be called on them. For a genuine MCE this won't be an issue but its still hassle and embarrassing being pulled and getting an ear full for no reason other than someone didn't like the look of them.

davidsr20 · 01-05-2012 9:58pm

challengemaster wrote: »

davidsr20 wrote: »

I think ye are picking it up wrong , I know hundreds of lads that have b&b and hotel booked but yes they are not boy racers but are car enthusiasts that's my point.
Yes u will get messers but they are just idiots.
My point is us that are big car enthusiasts should not be painted with the same brush.

What it seems to me like is that people are getting upset because they've just realised that they fit the boy racer stereotype.

If people are genuine car enthusiasts, they need to have a long think as to why they're so offended by this. That poster is as vague as it gets, so the only people painting them with the same brush is themselves. So if they've suddenly had the realisation they're not as separated from the boy racer scene as they'd like to think they are, that's their own issue to sort out.

As for the whole idea of "Sure if the messers never go to the rally there'd be no income at all"... sort of a flawed idea.

One reason a lot of actual enthusiasts don't go is because there is such a high proportion of tits to actual people who love motorsports. So if less idiots go, more genuinely interested people will.

Also, if there's less people acting the idiot, the motorsport scene might actually benefit and grow from it.

I really hope that wasn't aimed at me!
I'm a grown married man now and never went on like an idiot anyway.

homer simpson · 01-05-2012 11:10pm

Carazy wrote: »

What other town of 13,500 has that many of arrests (21,33,34 people) on the May Bank Holiday weekend?! I viewed that thread too but only found evidence that the PO offences were increased due to the rally being on that weekend!

You on the mountain Biking Donegal forum too? Someone said a few posts below that, if ya go and look at that thread, that on average it's 18 PO arrests over the year so. Kinda pointless quoting it as its not official figure's (like the one I've quoted above is) it was worked out from the years figure divided by 52 IIRC, and a bank holiday figure is a lot higher than a normal weekend would be too. It's not really the issue though but just saying, but like I said too you get bad eggs that follow every sport. But the difficulty caused by the illegal differs far outweighs the problem caused by PO offences that you get most normal weekends anyway.

Pdfile · 02-05-2012 5:07am

Muttly wrote: »

I think everyone is missing the point. MCE's are annoyed by this because your average person can't tell/doesn't want to know the difference between a boy racer and MCE. MCE's are qorried that by simply being there cops will be called on them. For a genuine MCE this won't be an issue but its still hassle and embarrassing being pulled and getting an ear full for no reason other than someone didn't like the look of them.

MCE aren't their in their car as it takes too much time and work to keep their dream machine going ( horray for cheap bangers )

Boy racers are their with their Tacky generic mods... Talking about how fast their low displacement car is, how well she goes sideways etc... Yet as its already been mentioned... when i go to prodrift or similar... these " MCE " are nowhere to be seen...

which begs the question...

If you drive a RWD car with locked/locking rear diff.... love drifting/rally and go to both events... why not act the muppet at both...

Is it simply because the drifters will laugh at you drifting or the fact that they only get away with it at a rally where power in numbers empowers the meek...

Kiang91 · 02-05-2012 9:37am

Denise90 wrote: »

I don't see why people that own a modified car are getting wound up about it. It clearly states "boy racers" and if a modified car enthusiast is getting offended, are they not putting themselves in the eejit category?

I own a modified Honda Civic and live in the killarney area. I was severely abused at the rally last year when DRIVING TO WORK! It was the middle of the day, I wasn't revving the car or doing anything stupid, although when people started shouting at me in the middle of town I was very tempted to make as much noise as possible just to spite them.
People obviously just assume car enthusiasts, like myself, and boy racers are all the same.

Denise90 · 02-05-2012 10:23pm

Kiang91 wrote: »

I own a modified Honda Civic and live in the killarney area. I was severely abused at the rally last year when DRIVING TO WORK! It was the middle of the day, I wasn't revving the car or doing anything stupid, although when people started shouting at me in the middle of town I was very tempted to make as much noise as possible just to spite them.
People obviously just assume car enthusiasts, like myself, and boy racers are all the same.

I understand that, I used to drive modified cars myself but what I'm saying is I don't understand, we'll say, the likes of yourself getting offended by a silly poster that is aimed at the fools that cause crashes and injury to others. Everyone that isn't involved in the "scene" will call boy racer.. there's no getting away from that but there's no point in the enthusiasts jumping on the defense bandwagon.... fuel to the fire and what not.

Kiang91 · 03-05-2012 7:33am

Denise90 wrote: »

I understand that, I used to drive modified cars myself but what I'm saying is I don't understand, we'll say, the likes of yourself getting offended by a silly poster that is aimed at the fools that cause crashes and injury to others. Everyone that isn't involved in the "scene" will call boy racer.. there's no getting away from that but there's no point in the enthusiasts jumping on the defense bandwagon.... fuel to the fire and what not.

It doesn't offend me as much as it seems to be a bad idea. I think this will just encourage more boy racers to go out and wreck the roads in spite.
The only problem then is that anyone with a modified car is painted with the one brush, and we will all suffer the abuse for it over the lakes weekend no matter what way we drive.

CianRyan · 04-05-2012 12:29am

Denise90 wrote: »

I understand that, I used to drive modified cars myself but what I'm saying is I don't understand, we'll say, the likes of yourself getting offended by a silly poster that is aimed at the fools that cause crashes and injury to others. Everyone that isn't involved in the "scene" will call boy racer.. there's no getting away from that but there's no point in the enthusiasts jumping on the defense bandwagon.... fuel to the fire and what not.

The problem with the poster isn't that it will make car enthusiasts tell you **** off, it's that it'll have every Garda and every person that's not into cars telling you to **** off out of town because they think you're going to be doing donuts. People that may not have thought of it will probably get a bit of a vigilante buzz after seeing this. They will see it too, it's been posted bloody everywhere at this point.

Chris_Heilong · 04-05-2012 1:06am

CianRyan wrote: »

The problem with the poster isn't that it will make car enthusiasts tell you **** off, it's that it'll have every Garda and every person that's not into cars telling you to **** off out of town because they think you're going to be doing donuts. People that may not have thought of it will probably get a bit of a vigilante buzz after seeing this. They will see it too, it's been posted bloody everywhere at this point.

+100, its exactly the reason why anyone would get upset, I just got an FTO coupe and everyone in work was joking about me "your a boy racer now" its just what Joe public think and sometimes misconceptions are frustrating, anyway the boyracer move is more towards VW and TDI now and much less on Japanese cars.

CianRyan · 04-05-2012 1:59am

Chris_Heilong wrote: »

+100, its exactly the reason why anyone would get upset, I just got an FTO coupe and everyone in work was joking about me "your a boy racer now" its just what Joe public think and sometimes misconceptions are frustrating, anyway the boyracer move is more towards VW and TDI now and much less on Japanese cars.

And bam, there's another error.
There should be an E36 doing donuts with a felt spec B4 sitting in the corner shouting BOOOOOO.

String · 06-05-2012 9:24pm

i never paint a group with the one brush but the scumbags with their sh*box's staying in the gleneagle apartments are doing donuts on the grass etc. Don't these people have any sense? Maintaining that grass can't be cheap and theres kids around. Also I haven't seen 1 tasteful 'modified car' all weekend. 90% (literally) have massive pointless aerials and full blue and yellow laminated headlights etc

teednab-el · 07-05-2012 9:10pm

The guards are a joke in this country. Every year outside Killarney on the road from Killarney to Barraduff, there is one long and wide stretch of road outside Barraduff (on the Killarney side) where all this donut activity goes on and every year after the rally of the lakes, this stretch of road is constantly blackened with tyre marks. The same has happened this year. The guards are afraid of these groups and wont interfere with them. Its insane to think that they can get away with this.

A lot of these boy racers have a chip on their shoulder. I crossed one of the streets in Killarney yesterday and this boy racer who was stopped kept revving his car until I got off the road, in other words he was basically telling me to get the fcuk out of his way even-though I am entitled to cross the street without been intimidated. Unfortunately from what I can see, there are very few car enthusiastics that actually follow this sport.

teednab-el · 07-05-2012 9:12pm

DrMorphine wrote: »

i never paint a group with the one brush but the scumbags with their sh*box's staying in the gleneagle apartments are doing donuts on the grass etc. Don't these people have any sense? Maintaining that grass can't be cheap and theres kids around. Also I haven't seen 1 tasteful 'modified car' all weekend. 90% (literally) have massive pointless aerials and full blue and yellow laminated headlights etc

Didnt see one decent modified car in Killarney over the weekend. Most of them were piles of scrap.

"boy racers" not welcome?

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