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RTE Two HD on Sky [Merged]

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  • #552
    Hotblack Desiato
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,466 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    icdg wrote: »
    Some are still even analogue only.

    Lots.
    The vast majority of older people in Dublin would be on analogue cable. It's the simplest, no box, no input switching, one remote, one button press per channel, solution to get the basic Irish and UK channels, even though it means paying money for channels which are almost all FTA.

    Scrap the cap!



  • #553
    JustAddWater
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,990 ✭✭✭JustAddWater


    Tonight the champions league is on ITV HD and that's where I'll watch it. If I had rte2 HD available I would watch it there instead

    I'm sure that others will do the same. This is SKY's doing and rte will lose out here


  • #554
    Arciphel
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,840 ✭✭✭Arciphel


    The flipside - I am a Sky HD subscriber and thanks to Sky I can watch the final tonight on RTE and have HD picture and listen to "the boys" back in the studio as opposed to the English commentary team who will no doubt be going on endlessly about Lampard & Co. So thanks Sky! :)


  • #555
    mickdw
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,459 ✭✭✭✭mickdw


    The HD quality on rte 2 saorview looks better to me compared to the HD rte via sky


  • #556
    crosstownk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,863 ✭✭✭✭crosstownk


    Comparing Sky Sports to RTÉ 2 HD (Champions League Final) on my Sky HD box and surround sound system and the picture looks marginally better on Sky Sports and the sound on Sky Sports is far superior to RTÉ 2 HD. Still, I'm watching RTÉ because I prefer their commentary.
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  • #557
    Stinicker
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,102 ✭✭✭Stinicker


    mickdw wrote: »
    The HD quality on rte 2 saorview looks better to me compared to the HD rte via sky

    I am finding the opposite myself.


  • #558
    galtee boy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,507 ✭✭✭galtee boy


    mickdw wrote: »
    The HD quality on rte 2 saorview looks better to me compared to the HD rte via sky

    Must disagree also, I thought the Champions League Final last night looked much better on Rte2 HD via Sky, than via Saorview. I presume Sky have much more flexibility to pump up the bitrate than RTE do ?


  • #559
    Johnny Johnson
    Registered Users Posts: 201 ✭✭Johnny Johnson


    Is it not RTE that uplinks so wouldn't they control the bitrate


  • #560
    galtee boy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,507 ✭✭✭galtee boy


    Johnny Johnson wrote: »
    Is it not RTE that uplinks so wouldn't they control the bitrate

    I have no idea ! Perhaps Watty or one of the other excellent "techies" on these boards might enlighten us ?


  • #561
    Stinicker
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,102 ✭✭✭Stinicker


    I don't know how to measure the bit rate on Saorview or Satellite either, but RTÉ2HD via Sky looked that little crisper last night especially when the camera panned on the stands and the crowd looked slightly less blurry. It could be down to the processing power of my TV with the encoding of Saorview compared to the stand-alone Sky box.

    I am wondering has anyone done a bit-rate test on Saorsat to compare the bit rate of RTE2HD via Sky and compared to Saorsat which is supposed to have loads of capacity. Saorview by its nature and older technology DVB-T will always be restricted in their capacity until they fire up more muxes.


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  • #562
    Mr. Rabbit
    Registered Users Posts: 778 ✭✭✭Mr. Rabbit


    RTE Two HD is now available on Sky for NI viewers.

    Apologies if this has been posted bedfore, but I've only noticed it today.


  • #563
    Hotblack Desiato
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,466 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    galtee boy wrote: »
    Must disagree also, I thought the Champions League Final last night looked much better on Rte2 HD via Sky, than via Saorview. I presume Sky have much more flexibility to pump up the bitrate than RTE do ?

    RTE2HD is 6Mbit on Saorview, on Sky it is likely to be a good bit higher than that.
    RTE provide Sky, UPC, etc. with uncompressed feeds and it's up to the pay-tv providers to decide how to encode it for their customers.

    BBC HD was originally 16Mbit on Freesat (and Sky), but was reduced to 9.7Mbit. That Wiki article says it's 17Mbit on Virgin cable, but only using MPEG-2 encoding, so the result is probably pretty similar to 9.7Mbit MPEG-4 on satellite.

    Scrap the cap!



  • #564
    zg3409
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,873 ✭✭✭zg3409


    Stinicker wrote: »
    I don't know how to measure the bit rate on Saorview or Satellite either,

    This has already been discussed on this very thread. See here:
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=78723546

    Saorsat is same rate as Saorview, probably a bit higher due to lack of TV3 and 3E.


  • #565
    Dinarius
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,408 ✭✭✭Dinarius


    Watching the Chelsea game on Saturday night on RTE2 HD on Sky.

    The live match was in HD.

    But, the studio panel and any highlights they showed while talking were not. Very weird!

    D.


  • #566
    The Cush
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,636 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    Dinarius wrote: »
    Watching the Chelsea game on Saturday night on RTE2 HD on Sky, the live match was in HD. But, the studio panel and any highlights they showed while talking were not. Very weird!

    Only the live feed from the match venue is HD, the RTÉ studios haven't been upgraded for HD yet. The HD studio infrastructure upgrade is part of RTÉ's Project 2025.

    The studio analysis from Croke Park and the Aviva stadium can be in HD when the games are in HD which is all done by an outside broadcast contractor at the venue and fed back to the RTÉ studio for transmission.


  • #567
    Johnny Johnson
    Registered Users Posts: 201 ✭✭Johnny Johnson


    Dinarius wrote: »
    Watching the Chelsea game on Saturday night on RTE2 HD on Sky.

    The live match was in HD.

    But, the studio panel and any highlights they showed while talking were not. Very weird!

    D.

    If it was Sky Sports they would have shown the whole programme in SD. They don't like mixing SD and HD for some reason. I do not like that about Sky.


  • #568
    Dinarius
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,408 ✭✭✭Dinarius


    Johnny Johnson wrote: »
    If it was Sky Sports they would have shown the whole programme in SD. They don't like mixing SD and HD for some reason. I do not like that about Sky.

    Defintely as I described it. I switched from live RTE2 to live Sky Sports a few times just to be sure.

    The Cush summarised it correctly, I think.

    D.


  • #569
    Johnny Johnson
    Registered Users Posts: 201 ✭✭Johnny Johnson


    Dinarius wrote: »
    Defintely as I described it. I switched from live RTE2 to live Sky Sports a few times just to be sure.

    The Cush summarised it correctly, I think.

    D.

    I know it was as you described it. RTE have been doing that way on Saorview for a long time. I only meant that I preferred the RTE way compared to the Sky way.


  • #570
    marno21
    Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,459 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    RTE Two HD on Saorview is VBR between 2.0 and around 9.2Mbit and is statmuxed with the other channels. The last night it was running pretty much all the time during the match at 9.0Mbit, peaking at 9.2 and dropping during any still scenes.

    RTE Two HD on Sky is CBR at 12.0Mbit, but remember there is more picture to encode on Sky (1920x1080, vs 1440x1080). Therefore the bits per pixel is around the same, Sky picture has 1/3 more bitrate and 1/3 more pixels to encode.


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  • #571
    seanp_25
    Registered Users Posts: 230 ✭✭seanp_25


    RTE TWO HD is included on the online Sky TV Guide now: http://tv.sky.com/tv-guide#/day/0

    But it seems to flag everything as HD. Is it like this on Sky HD boxes too?


  • #572
    warlikedave
    Registered Users Posts: 1,529 ✭✭✭warlikedave


    seanp_25 wrote: »
    RTE TWO HD is included on the online Sky TV Guide now: http://tv.sky.com/tv-guide#/day/0

    But it seems to flag everything as HD. Is it like this on Sky HD boxes too?

    Nope - They flag HD content properly on my sky+hd box (am running a beta epg tho). The rte2 hd dog tag is always on the screen though and rte have no plans to change that even when showing SD up scaled content


  • #573
    mark_79
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 153 ✭✭mark_79


    Mine disappeared over the last few days. Its on the EPG and is still in the other channels but I'm just getting the 'upgrade your subscription to receive this HD channel' now.

    What happened?


  • #574
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    mark_79 wrote: »
    Mine disappeared over the last few days. Its on the EPG and is still in the other channels but I'm just getting the 'upgrade your subscription to receive this HD channel' now.

    What happened?

    Do you have a HD sub? You need one now. :(


  • #575
    copacetic
    Subscribers Posts: 16,592 ✭✭✭✭copacetic


    marno21 wrote: »
    RTE Two HD on Saorview is VBR between 2.0 and around 9.2Mbit and is statmuxed with the other channels. The last night it was running pretty much all the time during the match at 9.0Mbit, peaking at 9.2 and dropping during any still scenes.

    RTE Two HD on Sky is CBR at 12.0Mbit, but remember there is more picture to encode on Sky (1920x1080, vs 1440x1080). Therefore the bits per pixel is around the same, Sky picture has 1/3 more bitrate and 1/3 more pixels to encode.

    It doesn't have more 'pixels' to encode exactly as both are block based encoding schemes and without knowing the block sizes we can't say that. Sky could have exactly the same number of blocks per frame as Saorview, so any extra bitrate is all extra quality.


    Based on what I'm seeing I'd say that. Consistently the picture in Sky is better, with more detail, even on static images. On sports Saorview is noticeably more blurry especially during motion when it can really struggle and there is a noticeable sharpening of the image as soon as the motion stops and the statmux and encoders all catch up.

    Sky meanwhile is a constant quality, constant bit rate solution, running at higher than BBCs HD bit rates, if not quite up there with Skys.

    The benefit of the Saorview solution is the saving of bandwidth and still getting ok quality. Whereas Sky is all about getting quality.

    However why spend a fortune on HD equipment, studios, rights etc and then save a small proportion of it a year by crippling the transmission and making Saorview the lowest quality solution?


  • #576
    Doylers
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,704 ✭✭✭Doylers


    Karsini wrote: »
    Do you have a HD sub? You need one now. :(

    I was told its free the same as BBC HD.


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  • #577
    Manc-Red
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,329 ✭✭✭Manc-Red


    Doylers wrote: »
    I was told its free the same as BBC HD.

    It's on the HD pack which sets you back an extra 15 quid on top of your sub.


  • #578
    Mr. Rabbit
    Registered Users Posts: 778 ✭✭✭Mr. Rabbit


    Manc-Red wrote: »
    It's on the HD pack which sets you back an extra 15 quid on top of your sub.

    The HD pack is only £10 extra.

    No RTE channels are free to air in NI.


  • #579
    superleedsdub
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 362 ✭✭superleedsdub


    Mr. Rabbit wrote: »
    The HD pack is only £10 extra.

    No RTE channels are free to air in NI.

    HD Pack is €15 in ROI, £10 in NI/UK


  • #580
    emo72
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,317 ✭✭✭emo72


    Manc-Red wrote: »
    It's on the HD pack which sets you back an extra 15 quid on top of your sub.

    major downer that:(


  • #581
    superleedsdub
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 362 ✭✭superleedsdub


    emo72 wrote: »
    major downer that:(

    yep - it is indeed. I have the HD sub and RTE 2 HD but I do think it should be free to air.

    Now, when will the remaining irish channels go HD? At this stage, IMO, there should not be any channels that are not available in HD


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  • #582
    warlikedave
    Registered Users Posts: 1,529 ✭✭✭warlikedave


    superleedsdub wrote: »
    yep - it is indeed. I have the HD sub and RTE 2 HD but I do think it should be free to air.

    Now, when will the remaining irish channels go HD? At this stage, IMO, there should not be any channels that are not available in HD

    It is free to air via a soarview box :D. RTE 2 HD is a big selling point for saorview so they are trying to get people to get their equipment. I can understand why rte are doing it although I think it shouldn't need a HD pack on the sky platform.

    It will probably be available on the sky+hd box without a hd sub once saorview sales have peaked.


  • #583
    Mr. Rabbit
    Registered Users Posts: 778 ✭✭✭Mr. Rabbit


    but I do think it should be free to air.


    Careful now. :D

    It can't be free to air at 28.2 Degrees East.


  • #584
    warlikedave
    Registered Users Posts: 1,529 ✭✭✭warlikedave


    Mr. Rabbit wrote: »
    Careful now. :D

    It can't be free to air at 28.2 Degrees East.

    Nope as in it will never happen :P - RTE would have to pay for show/programming rights for 70+ million people....I think the RTE piggy bank is already well and truly drained by now :P


  • #585
    Mr. Rabbit
    Registered Users Posts: 778 ✭✭✭Mr. Rabbit


    warlikedave wrote: »
    Nope as in it will never happen :P - RTE would have to pay for show/programming rights for 70+ million people....I think the RTE piggy bank is already well and truly drained by now :P

    Yawn :D


  • #586
    watty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,417 ✭✭✭✭watty


    warlikedave wrote: »
    Nope as in it will never happen :P - RTE would have to pay for show/programming rights for 70+ million people....I think the RTE piggy bank is already well and truly drained by now :P

    Especially that now Ireland has its very own totally Free To Air spot on 9E Ka band. Better elevation and no Pay Platform middle man.


  • #587
    Manc-Red
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,329 ✭✭✭Manc-Red


    Mr. Rabbit wrote: »
    The HD pack is only £10 extra.

    No RTE channels are free to air in NI.

    Euro here in Dublin my man Wabbit...

    RTE too can be viewed for free in many parts of the North.


  • #588
    warlikedave
    Registered Users Posts: 1,529 ✭✭✭warlikedave


    watty wrote: »
    Especially that now Ireland has its very own totally Free To Air spot on 9E Ka band. Better elevation and no Pay Platform middle man.

    Fair point indeed - do ye ever think it could develope into something more than saorview backup/copy? Don't twoway and onwave use the same hotspot for their sat internet? And will it ever be possible to have one dish with two different lnbs feeding 9e and 28.2e into sat box with no real issue? (will save a few bob since ye wouldnt need an outdoor ariel as well as a dish)


  • #589
    Mr. Rabbit
    Registered Users Posts: 778 ✭✭✭Mr. Rabbit


    Euro here in Dublin my man Wabbit...

    Euros aren't quids, at least they aren't up here.
    RTE too can be viewed for free in many parts of the North
    .

    But not at 28.2 degrees east.


  • #590
    Johnny Johnson
    Registered Users Posts: 201 ✭✭Johnny Johnson


    Mr. Rabbit wrote: »
    Euros aren't quids, at least they aren't up here.

    The use of the "quid" carried over from the days of the punt. I know of a lot of people that use it.


  • #591
    emo72
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,317 ✭✭✭emo72


    speaking of euros, i was hoping this channel would be free to air for us in the 'public, cos we could watch dunphy et al in glorious HD. wouldnt that be awesome?


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  • #592
    Hotblack Desiato
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,466 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Johnny Johnson wrote: »
    The use of the "quid" carried over from the days of the punt. I know of a lot of people that use it.

    Incidentally, nobody ever called it 'punt' before the euro came in. Except the BBC.

    Scrap the cap!



  • #593
    warlikedave
    Registered Users Posts: 1,529 ✭✭✭warlikedave


    emo72 wrote: »
    speaking of euros, i was hoping this channel would be free to air for us in the 'public, cos we could watch dunphy et al in glorious HD. wouldnt that be awesome?

    We dont have to worry about that yet since the rte dnnybrook studios are still broadcasting in SD :p:p:p


  • #594
    Mr. Rabbit
    Registered Users Posts: 778 ✭✭✭Mr. Rabbit


    Johnny Johnson wrote: »
    The use of the "quid" carried over from the days of the punt. I know of a lot of people that use it.

    Well, you learn something new every day then.

    To be nonest, I'd never heard it being called a quid but there you go.


  • #595
    Mr. Rabbit
    Registered Users Posts: 778 ✭✭✭Mr. Rabbit


    ninja900 wrote: »
    Incidentally, nobody ever called it 'punt' before the euro came in. Except the BBC.

    They did up here, BBC or not.

    When going across the border we always had to get our "punts", although sterling was accepted.

    Don't forget, ROI money was also acceptable currency in the north until the ROI broke the link with Sterling.


  • #596
    Hotblack Desiato
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,466 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    You would have had a reason 'up there' to differentiate between the two different types of pounds. 'Down here' it was pounds (or in Dublinese, just 'pound', like officially it's 'euro' not 'euros'. 'Dat cost me ten powend' etc. :) )

    I remember before the split you used to often find sterling coins in change here. That stopped quick enough after the break with sterling as people hoarded UK coins.

    Scrap the cap!



  • #597
    Mr. Rabbit
    Registered Users Posts: 778 ✭✭✭Mr. Rabbit


    ninja900 wrote: »
    You would have had a reason 'up there' to differentiate between the two different types of pounds. 'Down here' it was pounds (or in Dublinese, just 'pound', like officially it's 'euro' not 'euros'. 'Dat cost me ten powend' etc. :) )

    I remember before the split you used to often find sterling coins in change here. That stopped quick enough after the break with sterling as people hoarded UK coins.

    Yep, those were the days Ninja.

    A good 50% of change up here was ROI money before the link was broken.

    I think my parents still still have some of the old ROI coins that we collected, both pre and post decimalisation. Like UK money, some of them were worth more than their face value !


  • #598
    zg3409
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,873 ✭✭✭zg3409


    warlikedave wrote: »
    Fair point indeed - do ye ever think it could develope into something more than saorview backup/copy? Don't twoway and onwave use the same hotspot for their sat internet? And will it ever be possible to have one dish with two different lnbs feeding 9e and 28.2e into sat box with no real issue? (will save a few bob since ye wouldnt need an outdoor ariel as well as a dish)

    This can be done and is being done by people at the moment. Refer to the Saorsat thread. Kits are available on eBay.


  • #599
    icdg
    Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 11,850 Mod ✭✭✭✭icdg


    Take the currency discussion elsewhere please...


  • #600
    Prowetod
    Registered Users Posts: 521 ✭✭✭Prowetod


    Sorry if it's been asked already. Can you get this in the UK?


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  • #601
    MarkK
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 721 ✭✭✭MarkK


    Prowetod wrote: »
    Sorry if it's been asked already. Can you get this in the UK?

    Only in Northern Ireland


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