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N22 - Tralee Bypass (under construction)

  • 25-09-2009 9:06pm
    #1
    Amtmann
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    An 13.5km ring road and bypass of the town of Tralee, the major part of it to be a dual carriageway which will carry almost 19,000 vehicles a day, has been given approval by An Bord Pleanála, writes Anne Lucey.
    The compulsory purchase order of land from almost 80 landowners has also been approved. The go-ahead follows an oral hearing in Tralee in January . It will involve a number of rail crossings as well as river and minor road crossings.
    The approval has been widely welcomed as a means of easing congestion and reducing journey times. Yesterday a council spokesman welcomed the board’s decision.
    The total cost is expected to be in excess of €120 million.
    http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2009/0925/1224255209031.html
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  • #2
    Roryhy
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    19000 vehicles a day, i wouldn't have thought traffic down there would be that heavy. Any maps of this scheme?


  • #3
    Tech3
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    Roryhy wrote: »
    19000 vehicles a day, i wouldn't have thought traffic down there would be that heavy. Any maps of this scheme?

    19,000 does seem quite high but it caters 3 national routes: the N69, N21 and N22.

    It doesnt extend out to the N86 which is one of its many flaws. It also has 6 roundabouts. Tralee does need a bypass, the developments near Manor West have caused a huge increase in traffic congestion going into the town.

    A map of the scheme:

    thefile,464,en.jpg


  • #4
    L1011
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    The N86 is sort-of bypassed already, that might be their logic (poor as it is)


  • #5
    Tech3
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    MYOB wrote: »
    The N86 is sort-of bypassed already, that might be their logic (poor as it is)

    Yeah its very poor, you encounter 4 roundabouts. One of which is very dangerous as it's too small(N70) for the amount of traffic that uses it.

    Not surprisingly developments have hampered the route also with a cinema and apartments going up beside it.


  • #6
    Chris_533976
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    Who decided to name that place Ratass :D


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  • #7
    The Word Is Bor
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    I predict that this scheme will go to site about 6 months before the CPO lapses.


  • #8
    The Word Is Bor
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    By the way, in case anyone is interested the Tralee Bypass forms part of the NRA's Project Appraisal Guidelines. Download it and you get a much better idea of the scheme.

    Linkypoos


  • #9
    Tech3
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    The Word Is Bor wrote: »
    I predict that this scheme will go to site about 6 months before the CPO lapses.

    2018?


  • #10
    The Word Is Bor
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    Can't remember if it's 5 years or not. Mallow Northern Bypass was the last scheme they allowed the CPO's to lapse.


  • #11
    Chris_533976
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    Wasnt that because they zoned a pile of commerical land where the northern bypass was supposed to go?


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  • #12
    JupiterKid
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    Why is the N22 route from Killarney being rerouted south of its current alignment? Surely it would be more cost effective to keep its original junction with the N21 and dual the section from there into Tralee?

    Also, it's not really a bypass, it's a ring road of sorts. It should also link up with the N86, an important tourist route.

    Finally, given the current fiscal climate, I don't envisage this road being started any sooner than 2012 or thereabouts, but I might be wrong. Local politics will have a role, as always in this country, to play here.


  • #13
    road_high
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    JupiterKid wrote: »
    Why is the N22 route from Killarney being rerouted south of its current alignment? Surely it would be more cost effective to keep its original junction with the N21 and dual the section from there into Tralee?

    Hey, I thought the exact same! The N21 has been well upgraded to that roundabout in recent years and is very good quality.
    I don't see the need for the new N22, seems a bit frivalous to me and on the map comprises a huge portion of the scheme and consequently the money.


  • #14
    mysterious
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    The N22 alignment is a good idea. It frees up traffic of two national routes depending on only one entrance to the town.

    The N86 extension is lacking here. I find that odd, since that is the busiest route through Tralee especially during Summer.


  • #15
    mysterious
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    I can see this scheme going ahead next year for some reason. Its a cheap build and is development frenzy driven to me. It would go ahead sooner than later imo.

    Could be wrong tho!


  • #16
    mysterious
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    Roryhy wrote: »
    19000 vehicles a day, i wouldn't have thought traffic down there would be that heavy. Any maps of this scheme?


    At peak times traffic could rise to that on the N21 junction with the Tralee bypass. Since many developments will spring up off this ring road like every ring road of this nature:rolleyes: I wouldn't be surprised if it exceeds this figure.


  • #17
    fresca
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    JupiterKid wrote: »
    Why is the N22 route from Killarney being rerouted south of its current alignment?.

    My understanding is that the recent upgrade of the N21 (ballycarty-tralee) was proposed to be dual-carriageway. However, due to the existance of a rather ancient oak woods on the route, planning permission was refused for d-c.
    hence the reason for the new route serving the tralee-killarney (n22).


  • #18
    fresca
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    JupiterKid wrote: »
    Also, it's not really a bypass, it's a ring road of sorts. It should also link up with the N86, an important tourist route.

    You're assessment is absolutely correct.
    The proposed plan has 2 major failings of scope:
    1. connection with N86 (dingle road).
    - traffic will effectively be dumped onto the n70 (at effectively a "T" junction) and still have to continue on existing infrastructure to N86
    - i imagine the rationale here is that there is no agreement on how best to by-pass the village of Blennerville on the N86
    2. connection with R558.
    - due to significant housing expansion on the villages along the R558 road (ardfert, ballyheigue, etc) there has been a significant increase in traffic volumes on this road (i don't have numbers - but i have been stuck in traffic there!!)
    - it would seem logical to extended the proposed road to join the R558
    - maybe this is part 2 of the plan?


  • #19
    mysterious
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    Are they going to start this shortly. Also would it be the council building this. It really is needed. There is ALOT of unessecary tourist traffic going to Tralee to get to the N86 and Ballyheige roads around the town. The roads through the town are shocking. A fast growing town of 26,000 needs this kind of infrastructure with or without national route traffic.


  • #20
    fresca
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    if you take a look at the County Development plan on the kerry co co website http://www.kerrycoco.ie/en/allservices/planning/planspolicies/countydevelopmentplan2009-2015/
    specifically the Transport pdf you'll find some maps of proposed routes.
    - the N22 tralee bypass map is on page 9
    - the N21 castleisland bypass map is on page 10
    - the N22 farranfore to killarney map is on page 11
    - the R558 to N86 western bypass map is on page 12
    - the R556 to R558 northern bypass map is on page 17

    so it seems that there is a staged proposal to build a full ring route around tralee. still I don't see a proposal for bypassing blennerville.

    It's our own Périphérique!!! :cool:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boulevard_P%C3%A9riph%C3%A9rique


  • #21
    netwhizkid
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    This is something that Kerry does not need at the moment, it is tantamount to a waste of money. What Kerry needs in terms of infrastructure is to have the Macroom Bypass bringing a Motorway from the county bounds to the South ring in Cork bypassing Macroom, Ballyvourney and Lissarda. Also what is needed is for the M20 to extended from north of Adare south bypassing Newcastle West and Abbeyfeale. The Castleisland bypass is a white elephant in the making as it is 1X1 when it should have been built to Motorway spec and extend this into Tralee then.


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  • #22
    mysterious
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    netwhizkid wrote: »
    This is something that Kerry does not need at the moment, it is tantamount to a waste of money. What Kerry needs in terms of infrastructure is to have the Macroom Bypass bringing a Motorway from the county bounds to the South ring in Cork bypassing Macroom, Ballyvourney and Lissarda. Also what is needed is for the M20 to extended from north of Adare south bypassing Newcastle West and Abbeyfeale. The Castleisland bypass is a white elephant in the making as it is 1X1 when it should have been built to Motorway spec and extend this into Tralee then.


    Tralee is a town of 25,000 with a high amount of tourist traffic going through it. Many towns of it size have ring roads built around the town. It is needed, just because you don't think it's needed doesn't mean so.


    Tralee is a town 7 times bigger than Macroom. Lets get to basics.


  • #23
    netwhizkid
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    mysterious wrote: »
    Tralee is a town of 25,000 with a high amount of tourist traffic going through it. Many towns of it size have ring roads built around the town. It is needed, just because you don't think it's needed doesn't mean so.


    Tralee is a town 7 times bigger than Macroom. Lets get to basics.

    I am not really concerned with anything to do with Macroom other than the fact that the town stands in the way of connecting all of South Kerry and most of West Cork both to Cork and Dublin (Via the M8). If Kerry was motorway connected to the South Ring it would allow for greater access to Cork and also to a lesser degree Dublin. The needs of the towns are not what is important it is what is important to the Country.

    Similarly with the entire Dublin first mentality that saw all the money spent there which only crashed their economy in the long run and left the regions outside devastated. Sustainable regional development is needed and by tying the likes of Kerry in with Cork and limerick will allow for greater competitiveness for all three regions and with excellent links to Dublin via the M8 and M7 it is a sure fire way to attract investment and build the economy. Building a ring road around Tralee will only create a few construction jobs and lead to more unsustainable development like the Manor West monstrosity which has killed Tralee town centre.


  • #24
    Tech3
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    netwhizkid wrote: »
    Also what is needed is for the M20 to extended from north of Adare south bypassing Newcastle West and Abbeyfeale. The Castleisland bypass is a white elephant in the making as it is 1X1 when it should have been built to Motorway spec and extend this into Tralee then.

    Castleisland bypass is 2+2. The AADT on the N21 is too low to justify any motorway builds. The highest spec of road Kerry will ever get(and need) is 2+2 IMO.


  • #25
    Chris_533976
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    We need to get realistic here and face the fact that NONE of Kerry needs motorway. DC should end just west of Macroom and south of Adare on the two main feeder roads. Nothing else in Kerry needs to be DC/motorway. Maybe a little bit of 2+2 near the TOWNS, but S2 will be fine for anything else.


  • #26
    fresca
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    So with all the flooding, we had some road closures however, the proposed by-pass would not have solved the problem.

    The N70 (castlemaine) rd was closed at Lidl.
    It was also closed at Ballymullen.

    Therefore the link to Castlemaine & Dingle was blocked forcing the traffic through the middle of tralee.

    As the proposed by-pass does not provide a southern section, linking, N70 / N22 to south of blennerville, the diversions would have stood.

    Pity that.


  • #27
    Tech3
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    fresca wrote: »
    As the proposed by-pass does not provide a southern section, linking, N70 / N22 to south of blennerville, the diversions would have stood.

    Yeah the flooding was very bad around that section, the bypass design was very shortsighted. Also roundabouts wont cut it for the national route connections preferably GSJ's for the N21, N69 and N22 junctions.

    I would like the NRA to put a traffic counter on the N21 Ballycarty to Tralee section, no traffic counts recored on the N21 in Kerry, the AADT is well past 12 or 13K along there.

    Also thanks for the pics on the bypass thread. :)


  • #28
    fresca
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    traffic counter in Camp, Ballyseedy at junction with N70.
    (leaving tralee on n70, take first left for camp / ballyseedy / farmer's bridge - counter just feet from junction)
    assume this is part of investigation for tralee bypass.


  • #29
    fresca
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    traffic counter on tralee - farranfore road (n22)
    maybe 500m north of level crossing at farranfore.


  • #30
    netwhizkid
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    fresca wrote: »
    traffic counter on tralee - farranfore road (n22)
    maybe 500m north of level crossing at farranfore.

    So thats what what that was, I though it was some sort of temporary electrical extension cable across the road! There were also fellas around the town doing a survey in St. John's carpark and out near Aldi at Manor alse, they appeared to be recording into a personal recorder as if making note of vehicle occupancy or something.


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  • #31
    fresca
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    See http://www.kerrycoco.ie/en/advertsnotices/title,3163,en.html

    Tralee Traffic & Transportation Study

    Released: 19 November 2009
    Kerry County Council & Tralee Town Council are carrying out a Traffic and Transportation Study for Tralee Town. The primary purpose of the Study is to determine what measures will be required to resolve existing traffic and transport issues in Tralee and its environs.
    A key element of this study is the development of a Traffic Model for the town, assessing traffic congestion, parking, and safety issues. The study will also look at how public transport services could be expanded or improved, and will also examine the current situation for cyclists and pedestrians and how these could be improved going forward.
    An important aspect of the overall study is consultation with local groups. Many sectors, including schools, transport providers, and hospitals have been contacted with an invitation to express their views on current traffic, parking, or any other transport related issue.
    An online survey is available on the Kerry County Council website for residents and visitors to Tralee to provide important information about their usual commute and the issues experienced.
    This survey is accessible to the entire community. Website facilities are available at Kerry County Library located in Moyderwell, Tralee, Co. Kerry. A prize is being offered for participation in the survey. See www.traleetravelsurvey.org for details.
    Your participation in this survey is very important as it will make a significant contribution to both developing a comprehensive understating of transport issues in Tralee and identifying best transport solutions for the future.


  • #32
    fresca
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    meant to post this on the Tralee thread...
    http://boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=63261420
    (rather than here)
    fresca wrote: »
    See http://www.kerrycoco.ie/en/advertsnotices/title,3163,en.html

    Tralee Traffic & Transportation Study

    Released: 19 November 2009
    Kerry County Council & Tralee Town Council are carrying out a Traffic and Transportation Study for Tralee Town. The primary purpose of the Study is to determine what measures will be required to resolve existing traffic and transport issues in Tralee and its environs.
    A key element of this study is the development of a Traffic Model for the town, assessing traffic congestion, parking, and safety issues. The study will also look at how public transport services could be expanded or improved, and will also examine the current situation for cyclists and pedestrians and how these could be improved going forward.
    An important aspect of the overall study is consultation with local groups. Many sectors, including schools, transport providers, and hospitals have been contacted with an invitation to express their views on current traffic, parking, or any other transport related issue.
    An online survey is available on the Kerry County Council website for residents and visitors to Tralee to provide important information about their usual commute and the issues experienced.
    This survey is accessible to the entire community. Website facilities are available at Kerry County Library located in Moyderwell, Tralee, Co. Kerry. A prize is being offered for participation in the survey. See www.traleetravelsurvey.org for details.
    Your participation in this survey is very important as it will make a significant contribution to both developing a comprehensive understating of transport issues in Tralee and identifying best transport solutions for the future.


  • #33
    atomohawk
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    Are people aware that the design standards adopted by the NRA for the dual carraigeway section are now effectively outdated and obselete according to the new draft guidelines for cycling?
    They have included a 0.5mts hard strip for vulenerable road users cyclists and pedestrians!
    This is effectively telling these users to stay off our great big new road. But hey boy racers are welcome! Are our NRA related to the NRA in the states?

    GENERAL DESCRIPTION OF THE SCHEME
    Mainline
    2.32 The proposed carriageway for the N22 Tralee Bypass will be Type 2 Dual Carriageway. The
    Type 2 Dual Carriageway Cross Section will require a minimum landtake of 33.5 metres in
    width (fence to fence). The pavement will be 16.5 metres wide and will comprise 4 x 3.5
    metre carriageways, 2 x 0.5 metre hard strips (forming part of the verge) and a central
    reserve, 1.5 metres in width. There will be 2 x 3.0 metre verges (0.5 metre hard strip plus 2.5
    metre grass verge). There will be a 2 x 1.0 metre offset from cutting and embankment side
    slopes to open drains which will be provided throughout. The open drains will be a minimum
    of 2.0 metres wide at ground level. Finally, 2 x 3.0 metre strips will be provided between the
    edge of the open drains and the fenceline, as a workspace for maintenance access.


  • #34
    L1011
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    Those users *should* be staying off high capacity strategic routes. The old roads will remain present for them to use.


  • #35
    fresca
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    MYOB wrote: »
    Those users *should* be staying off high capacity strategic routes. The old roads will remain present for them to use.
    Unfortunately, the surfaces of the "old" roads, i.e. the ones in use today, are pretty bad, in particular at the edges. The exceptions being the relatively new n21 tralee - castleisland and the n22 tralee-farranfore whose surfaces are excellent for cycling.

    given the volume of cyclists in the greater tralee area (and the boom in cycling over the last 2 years) it seems pretty certain that this new bypass will be used by cyclists.

    I accept your point that cyclists should not be using high capacity strategic routes ... but in reality there is a serious lack of alternative.


  • #36
    fresca
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    See Kerry Co Co web site: http://www.kerrycoco.ie/en/allservices/roads/traleeringroadsproject/

    Includes plans for:
    - Northern road connecting N69 (listowel) to R556 (abbeydorney)
    - Western road connecting R558 (fenit) to N86 (dingle)

    There is a proposal to link the northern road into the existing Bracker Regan road.

    There's a map also...

    Now, looking at the map, does it not seem blindingly obvious that the proposed northern ring road should:
    - start at the N69
    - cross the R558
    - cross the R551
    - terminate at the N86

    Or maybe I've just had too many mince pies already!!!!


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  • #37
    Tech3
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    I'm assuming the overall plan for Tralee is a ring road whenever it will be funded.


    The plan on phase 1 is:
    • 2+2 link from the N70-N22-N21-N69
    • New stretch of N22 unconfirmed whether it's 2+2 probably is


    This would be a better solution:
    • Compact GSJ at the N21/N22 junction with N21 mainline
    • 2+2 from that junction to the start of the Tralee bypass
    • 2+2 with compact GSJ at the N69 junction and RAB's for the rest
    • Link to the N86 road


  • #38
    Tech3
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    fresca wrote: »
    My understanding is that the recent upgrade of the N21 (ballycarty-tralee) was proposed to be dual-carriageway. However, due to the existance of a rather ancient oak woods on the route, planning permission was refused for d-c.
    hence the reason for the new route serving the tralee-killarney (n22).

    Yeah a dual carrigeway was originally the plan for the Ballycarty to Tralee section. I'm not sure whether it was full dual or reduced dual. Given that there is little difference from WS2 to 2+2 in width (21m to 27.5m) I'm thinking this was included in the OPT 1994-1999 to be standard dual(36m). The AADT is high on this section and well above anywhere else in the county probably reaching 18,000 or 19,000.

    The issue now is severe platooning on the stretch and absolutely no overtaking oppurtunities even though the road is WS2. There is also the hideous N21/N22 roundabout junction should really be upgraded to a compact GSJ and 2+2 from there to Tralee at least.

    Below is a section of the Road Needs Study 1998 document showing that indeed it was going to be constructed a dual carriageway. And I'm nearly definite that it was standard dual carriageway.


    DSC02874.jpg

    The EU pulled the plug under pressure. Strange that the same didnt happen for the M3 passing near Tara perhaps it was because of the PPP it went ahead.
    An undisturbed wood in Co Kerry associated with a Civil War
    massacre and which narrowly escaped felling only 10 years
    ago was officially opened yesterday as a major amenity.

    Plans to drive a dual-carriageway through it in 1997 were
    shelved only when the EU pulled funding following a
    campaign by environmentalists attached to the Ballyseedy
    Wood Action Group, some of whose members were present at
    the opening this weekend.

    http://www.mywebsearch.com/jsp/cfg_redir2.jsp?id=ZUfox000&fl=0&ptb=OjDxIEBKD2yFA_KIBm8dyA&url=http://search.mywebsearch.com/mywebsearch/dft_redir.jhtml&st=dns&searchfor=www.mywebsearch.com


  • #39
    fresca
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    The wood is located at Ballyseedy and contains some very fine specimens of Oak, Ash and Alder. Deffinately worth a trip if you have an hour to spare someday.

    Through the centre of the wood runs what is called The Old Coach Run. I don't seem to be able to find much info on that.

    With regard to the wood itself and its history, this link might be of interest...
    http://www.woodlandleague.org/projects/ballyseedy/index.htm

    Hardwood plantings occurred in 1709 and 1782.

    Having walked this wood a few times, I'm kind of glad that it wasn't replaced by a dual carriageway.


  • #40
    fresca
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    tech2 wrote: »
    The issue now is severe platooning on the stretch and absolutely no overtaking oppurtunities even though the road is WS2. There is also the hideous N21/N22 roundabout junction should really be upgraded to a compact GSJ and 2+2 from there to Tralee at least.
    Agreed. This is an issue not alone for Tralee to Ballycarty (N21-N22 junction), but also the Ballycarty to Farranfore upgrade.
    Whilst it's all WS2 (and certainly a lot smoother that it used to be) overtaking opportunities are still an issue.
    I don't understand why tralee-killarney isn't DC anyway.... I commute this route daily and somedays it can take over 1 hr to travel the 32km.
    And as for the 100km for tralee-cork.... this journey can regularly take over 2 hours. I can travel 200k dublin-galway in under 2 hours. I will soon be able to travel dublin-limerick (about 200k) in about 2 hours. And tralee-cork (100k) takes me over 2 hours... tralee-killarney (32k) can take 1 hr alone....
    sometimes, i despair...


  • #41
    Sponge Bob
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    The N22 will be closed in Ballyvourney tommorow morning ( after 9am) as the locals protest at the state of the road surface right now.


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  • #42
    fresca
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    Sponge Bob wrote: »
    The N22 will be closed in Ballyvourney tommorow morning ( after 9am) as the locals protest at the state of the road surface right now.
    I don't blame them.
    I was in cork a few days ago and the area around ballyvourney is pretty poor (understatement).


  • #43
    munchkin_utd
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    fresca wrote: »
    I don't blame them.
    I was in cork a few days ago and the area around ballyvourney is pretty poor (understatement).
    BUT isnt it a 50kmh zone in Ballyvourney itsself so you wouldnt need a bowling green of a surface anyways?
    The surface i do agree is a mess in the town, but priority should be (and seems to be) given to surfacing other parts of national roads where there is a 100kmh limit and a smooth surface actually can be used to its full potential.


  • #44
    fresca
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    drove tralee - cork via macroom, yesterday.
    took 2:15 hours to get there (dept 08:00 hrs).
    took 2:30 to get home (dept 16:00 hrs).
    it's 110 km (ish)

    just traffic, traffic, traffic.... moving slowly.

    look's like i'll be commuting regularly for work.

    it's depressing to realise such a quality of roadway still exists...


  • #45
    fresca
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 488 ✭✭fresca


    There is a page here [ http://www.corkcoco.ie/co/web/Cork%20County%20Council/Departments/Divisional%20Services/Roads/Current%20Projects?did=651524015&pageUrl=/Cork+County+Council/Departments/Divisional+Services/Roads/Current+Projects ] that is supposed to contain documentation on the N22 ... but the links are broken.
    I'ce emailed Cork CoCo about it...


  • #46
    munchkin_utd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,907 ✭✭✭munchkin_utd


    fresca wrote: »
    There is a page here [ http://www.corkcoco.ie/co/web/Cork%20County%20Council/Departments/Divisional%20Services/Roads/Current%20Projects?did=651524015&pageUrl=/Cork+County+Council/Departments/Divisional+Services/Roads/Current+Projects ] that is supposed to contain documentation on the N22 ... but the links are broken.
    I'ce emailed Cork CoCo about it...
    The route selection dead link, external to the cork county council website, is cached here:
    http://web.archive.org/web/20070914200141/www.phmcc.com/n22_web/n22_index.htm


  • #47
    fresca
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 488 ✭✭fresca


    from: http://www.radiokerry.ie/news/


    03 Mar 2010
    Cllrs oppose levy to cover cost of link roads in Tralee Bypass

    Tralee Councillors are opposing the proposed introduction of a development levy to cover the cost of link roads in the Tralee Ring Roads Project.
    At the Town Council's monthly meeting, management said it's proposed to bring in a levy of €24.43 per square metre for houses, and €29.31 per square metre for non residential developments.
    Tralee Town Council currently has a levy in place to cover roads, which equates to around €17 per square metre.
    However in the Tralee environs - areas which don't come under the town council's management - there isn't any levy; so there are large gains to be made in that area.

    The Department of the Environment has said the proposed levy appears to be quite high.
    Town Council management say the levy is needed to cover the €4million cost of link roads in the Tralee Ring Roads Project, as central Government won't be contributing since it's already covered the cost of the main roads.
    Councillors are vehemently opposed to the levy, saying it'll prohibit development.
    They decided to put the issue back until next month's meeting, but it has to be dealt with within six weeks.

    Meanwhile Kerry County Council has been given the go ahead to enter negotiations with landowners to buy the land needed for the road network; it can serve notices from next week.

    --ends

    yet another project, cpo'ed, but no closer to activity...

    project: http://www.kerrycoco.ie/en/allservices/roads/n22traleebypass/


  • #48
    fresca
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 488 ✭✭fresca


    from http://www.radiokerry.ie/news

    13 Mar 2010

    Tralee bypass will begin next year, says TD

    Construction work on the Tralee Bypass is due to begin next year. That's according to correspondence between the Transport Minister and Kerry North Fianna Fáil TD Tom McEllistrim. Kerry County Council was recently given notice to enter into negotiations with landowners - and commit to buy the land needed for the project. The council says it hasn't yet been given the go ahead to go to tender or construction of the road.

    i'm not sure - it's hard to see this project going to construction in 2011...


  • #49
    invinciblePRSTV
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,017 ✭✭✭invinciblePRSTV


    Hmm, seems to be a fair few TDs issuing Press Releases saying that projects are going ahead in the past few days. So thats the N22 Bypass and N25 Flyovers, whats after happening to prompt this?.


  • #50
    fresca
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 488 ✭✭fresca


    invinciblePRSTV wrote: »
    Hmm, seems to be a fair few TDs issuing Press Releases saying that projects are going ahead in the past few days. So thats the N22 Bypass and N25 Flyovers, whats after happening to prompt this?.

    Is that the smell of an ELECTION in the air?

    Or maybe, whilst all the ministers are away on their st patrick's holidays, the back benchers are being told to make their voices heard?

    either way, i'll take this with a large grain of salt.

    surely (within the region) the abbeyfeale-adare; farranfore-killarney; ballyvourney-ballincollig & even SRR upgrades of Sarsfield and Bandon interchanges should have higher priority?

    Even Michael McGrath in cork has claimed the SRR junction upgrades are going ahead http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055853085 ... (note this is the scheme invinciblePRSTV mentions above - thanks!)

    :confused:


  • #51
    Sponge Bob
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 25,234 ✭✭✭✭Sponge Bob


    fresca wrote: »
    Is that the smell of an ELECTION in the air?

    Tis, they are making the exact same kind of promises in Mayo as you would expect with an election in the offing.


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