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Dublin school expels 4 pupils for 'disparaging Facebook comments'

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  • #2
    Shane-KornSpace
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    Too harsh?

    No.

    These little ****s need to learn that cyber bullying (and any other form of bullying) is not ****ing funny.
    As a victim of years of bullying, I can say that that was the least they deserved.


  • #3
    dark crystal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,962 ✭✭✭✭dark crystal


    Depends on what exactly was written, but online bullying shouldn't be tolerated either against students or teachers, imo.

    Setting up a specific page to target these teachers was an especially stupid and malicious thing to do anyway.


  • #4
    foxyboxer
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,528 ✭✭✭foxyboxer


    Not harsh at all.

    What they need to realise/now realise is that what you say on social media should be viewed as saying the same things to a crowd of people with a microphone.


  • #5
    jayteecork
    Site Banned Posts: 5,676 ✭✭✭jayteecork


    davet82 wrote: »
    http://www.schooldays.ie/education-news-item/School-expels-4-pupils-for-disparaging-Facebook-comments-801365067

    Too harsh maybe?

    Were the teacher couple really at it though is the question?

    Although as read setting up said page with the elected "administrators" being named pupils probably deserves for them to be expelled for stupidity at least.

    I guess that school's average LC points will now be a lot higher.


  • #6
    SunnyDub1
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    they deserved to be punished.... but,

    The quoted is a bit extreme, don't see why all the pupils have to close their account...
    They done nothing wrong ?
    News of the expulsion comes after principal Leonie Hultgren of Harlaxton school in Toowoomba, Australia, warned all students aged under 13 they faced being excluded if they failed to shut down their Facebook accounts as instructed.


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  • #7
    RachaelVO
    Registered Users Posts: 3,108 ✭✭✭RachaelVO


    Cyber bulllying has become such a HUGE problem that they do deserve to be made an example of, just because it doesn't go on in school doesn't mean it doesn't have an effect on other pupils.

    Fair fcuks to them, a very right controversial decision, even though they will probably have to take them back eventually, but it does highlight cyber bullying!


  • #8
    Niall09
    Registered Users Posts: 806 ✭✭✭Niall09


    SunnyDub1 wrote: »
    they deserved to be punished.... but,

    The quoted is a bit extreme, don't see why all the pupils have to close their account...
    They done nothing wrong ?

    It is against Facebook's terms and conditions that people are not allowed use Facebook if they are under 13.

    https://www.facebook.com/legal/terms

    "You will not use Facebook if you are under 13."


  • #9
    TeddyTedson
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    How about a quote for us iPhone 4S users :)


  • #10
    phill106
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    TeddyTedson wrote: »
    How about a quote for us iPhone 4S users :)



    School expels 4 pupils for 'disparaging Facebook comments'
    Posted by SchoolDays Newshound on 17/05/2012. Tags: Secondary School News
    Abusive remarks posted on Facebook about teachers at a school in Dublin have led to four pupils being expelled.

    The students, who were all in their fifth-year at Oatlands College, are alleged to have made "vile sexual allegations" about a male and female teacher, as well as disparaging remarks about the work of another female teacher, the Irish Times reports.

    Principal Keith Ryan was alerted to the comments after a member of the school's staff saw them posted on a Facebook page created by one student and administered by three others.

    The four pupils were suspended for 20 days when the incident came to light and a meeting of the school board of management led to the decision this week to expel the teenagers.

    News of the expulsion comes after principal Leonie Hultgren of Harlaxton school in Toowoomba, Australia, warned all students aged under 13 they faced being excluded if they failed to shut down their Facebook accounts as instructed.

    In a bid to tackle online bullying and harassment in schools, Minister for Education Ruairi Quinn will this morning (May 17th) host an anti-bullying forum that can be viewed live here.

    Written by Donal Walsh


  • #11
    ejmaztec
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    Whoops.
    TD Mick Wallace's son among four pupils expelled from school

    http://www.independent.ie/national-news/td-mick-wallaces-son-among-four-pupils-expelled-from-school-3074300.html


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  • #12
    problemchimp
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    I take the points about bullying, but is this a bullying issue? No other pupils were bullied and let's face it, we all had stories/rumours about teachers when we where at school. Suspension? yes. Expulsion? no.


  • #13
    jayteecork
    Site Banned Posts: 5,676 ✭✭✭jayteecork


    ejmaztec wrote: »
    Whoops.



    http://www.independent.ie/national-news/td-mick-wallaces-son-among-four-pupils-expelled-from-school-3074300.html

    Oh dear!


  • #14
    bruschi
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 4,142 Mod ✭✭✭✭bruschi


    problemchimp wrote: »
    I take the points about bullying, but is this a bullying issue? No other pupils were bullied and let's face it, we all had stories/rumours about teachers when we where at school. Suspension? yes. Expulsion? no.


    so you can bully teachers then? make up false accusations and put it on the internet. nice.:rolleyes:


  • #15
    Immaculate Pasta
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    Immaculate Pasta likes this.


  • #16
    pirelli
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,876 ✭✭✭pirelli


    SunnyDub1 wrote: »
    they deserved to be punished.... but,

    The quoted is a bit extreme, don't see why all the pupils have to close their account...
    They done nothing wrong ?

    They are under the entry age for facebook which is 13.You are recommended to ask for parental consent between the ages of 13 and 18. Technically their parent could permit information about them to be shown on facebook not sure if that includes owning an account?


  • #17
    Dudess
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    That report is very threadbare - doesn't make the expulsion seem fair at all.


  • #18
    Min
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    The bullies are not the victims in all of this.

    It might be the education these bullies needed.


  • #19
    problemchimp
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    bruschi wrote: »
    so you can bully teachers then? make up false accusations and put it on the internet. nice.:rolleyes:
    Kids will always say stupid and sometimes nasty things about teachers, nothing new there. When they grow up they usually realise it was just kids stuff. Punish them yes, but to ruin their furure prospects is a bit much. Teachers are well aware of situation and have to accept it as an unfortunate part of the job.


  • #20
    partyatmygaff
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    TeddyTedson wrote: »
    How about a quote for us iPhone 4S users :)
    You forgot to mention if it was 16/32/64GB.


  • #21
    dark crystal
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    Dudess wrote: »
    That report is very threadbare - doesn't make the expulsion seem fair at all.

    In the Indo article about Mick Wallace's kid, it states a few of them set up a specific page detailling obscene and totally untrue allegations against two teachers.

    Seems fair enough to me.


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  • #22
    kinseydub
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    If you get upset about something on facebook then your are a moron and need your internet access confiscated. I see it all the time when for example gob****e A is giving out about gob****e B cause he called his cat gay. Idiots !


  • #23
    MarkyTheLips
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    SunnyDub1 wrote: »
    they deserved to be punished.... but,

    The quoted is a bit extreme, don't see why all the pupils have to close their account...
    They done nothing wrong ?

    Doesn't say if it's a permanent or temporary "exclusion" in that Aussie school... Suppose by rights they should be closing the accounts as they shouldn't have them in the first place (according to FB TOS).. :)


  • #24
    [Deleted User]
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    Bullying doesn't just extend to your peers!

    There is very little information give about what was said in the facebook comments, but false accusations of a sexual nature against a teacher (or any adult) could have a detrimental effect of their career so if that was the case, I don't see it as being a harsh punishment.


  • #25
    Run_to_da_hills
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    A guy in the States got expelled for using the f**k off word on twitter.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2120340/Student-Austin-Carroll-expelled-Garrett-High-School-F-bomb-Twitter-post--months-shy-graduation.html


  • #26
    foxyboxer
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    Saying things like "I hate that pr1ck Mr Mackey, he's a tool" on social media could be construed as cyber bullying and should result in a suspension. Making claims of (possibly extra-marital) affairs about two staff members is idiotic and could result in a potential law suit.


  • #27
    pirelli
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,876 ✭✭✭pirelli


    Run_to_da_hills wrote: »
    A guy in the States got expelled for using the f**k off word on twitter.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2120340/Student-Austin-Carroll-expelled-Garrett-High-School-F-bomb-Twitter-post--months-shy-graduation.html

    Excessive!


  • #28
    El Weirdo
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    TeddyTedson wrote: »
    How about a quote for us iPhone 4S users :)
    Here you go:
    Stop banging on about your iPhone...

    ... and get an Android.


  • #29
    Logical Fallacy
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    "vile sexual allegations" seem like it was something pretty serious.


  • #30
    MarkyTheLips
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    pirelli wrote: »
    They are under the entry age for facebook which is 13.You are recommended to ask for parental consent between the ages of 13 and 18. Technically their parent could permit information about them to be shown on facebook not sure if that includes owning an account?

    I hate the amount of time that being sick from work gives me to google things :o

    http://www.facebook.com/help/?faq=157793540954833


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  • #31
    mikemac1
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    Mick Wallace represents Wexford yet his family live in Dublin?

    You should live where your voters are imo


  • #32
    Benny_Cake
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    Completely justified in my opinion. This sort of thing could ruin a teacher's career, and having been on the receiving end of bullying when I was in secondary school, my sympathy is limited, particularly given their age.


  • #33
    stovelid
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    Suspension (under threat of expulsion next time) would have been more fair.

    I suspect a bit of moral publicity seeking on the part of the school.


  • #34
    Ellis Dee
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    When I went to school, it was the teachers that did all of the bullying, a lot of it.:eek: And there was no Facebook or anything like it. There just ain't no justice in this world.:D:D

    Anyway, who takes any notice of anything posted on Facebook any longer?:confused: And who would believe an allegation of vile sexual misconduct against a Christian Brother? Everyone would immediately know that it just had to be a spoof.:):)


  • #35
    lividduck
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    Good enough for them, actions have consequences.


  • #36
    problemchimp
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    mikemac1 wrote: »
    Mick Wallace represents Wexford yet his family live in Dublin?

    You should live where your voters are imo
    Maybe the kid is from his first marriage, not that it matters in this debate.


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  • #37
    [Deleted User]
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    Ellis Dee wrote: »
    And who would believe an allegation of vile sexual misconduct against a Christian Brother? Everyone would immediately know that it just had to be a spoof.:):)

    I'm not sure if you're trying to be ironic :confused:


  • #38
    problemchimp
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    stovelid wrote: »
    Suspension (under threat of expulsion next time) would have been more fair.

    I suspect a bit of moral publicity seeking on the part of the school.
    You're not wrong.


  • #39
    SunnyDub1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,439 ✭✭✭SunnyDub1


    MarkyTheLips wrote: »
    Doesn't say if it's a permanent or temporary "exclusion" in that Aussie school... Suppose by rights they should be closing the accounts as they shouldn't have them in the first place (according to FB TOS).. :)


    I'd understand that if joining fb at the age 12 effected your eduction or effected the school but what business of the schools is it if a person wants to join fb?
    Surely punishment or closing of an account is down to their parents decision if they find not obeying the T&C of facebook an issue.

    You have to be over 18 to drink and smoke but yet there is Young teenagers do it anyway.
    The school cant expel pupils for drinking and smoking outside of school.

    Imo what a person does outside of school grounds is their or their parents business unless it's affecting their eduction or affecting the school.


  • #40
    lividduck
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,250 ✭✭✭lividduck


    problemchimp wrote: »
    Kids will always say stupid and sometimes nasty things about teachers, nothing new there. When they grow up they usually realise it was just kids stuff. Punish them yes, but to ruin their furure prospects is a bit much. Teachers are well aware of situation and have to accept it as an unfortunate part of the job.
    Being expelled from a private school is hardly "ruining their future prospects", or do only the privlidged few have "future prospects"?


  • #41
    Mardy Bum
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    Logical Fallacy wrote: »
    "vile sexual allegations" seem like it was something pretty serious.

    It is very hard to expel someone in a public school currently, it takes months of abuse from a student, correct and calculated documentation of these actions by a principal and then a student will be passed over to the board of management who decides whether to expel or not. If the board is in the wrong it will be turned over fairly quickly by a competent solicitor.

    Im guessing these students had a previous record.


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  • #42
    Dudess
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    Benny_Cake wrote: »
    Completely justified in my opinion. This sort of thing could ruin a teacher's career, and having been on the receiving end of bullying when I was in secondary school, my sympathy is limited, particularly given their age.
    I agree it must have been really serious stuff because an expulsion is a huge step, although it still seems a bit much IMO. Shut down the page, suspend the little pricks and give them a warning - surely sufficient? Unless there were allegations on the page?
    I also don't understand how something like this could damage a teacher's career.


  • #43
    pirelli
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    MarkyTheLips wrote: »
    I hate the amount of time that being sick from work gives me to google things :o

    http://www.facebook.com/help/?faq=157793540954833

    It's just as bad in work! Suck on a lozenge and watch some TV.


  • #44
    problemchimp
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    lividduck wrote: »
    Being expelled from a private school is hardly "ruining their future prospects", or do only the privlidged few have "future prospects"?
    Being expelled from any school 1 year before your leaving could have an impact on your future, private or public.
    What's your angle here?


  • #45
    Flaker
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    This weird cos something extremely similar is going on in the scholl my friend works in (it's not in Dublin) and she was the victim of some of the rumours, gossip, slander, call it what you will. I think the kids at her school may have used twitter though.

    Anyway, as she says, a teacher's reputation is SO important to them and once some sort of an allegation is made against one of them, you will always get people who say things like "no smoke without fire" even if they are proved totally innocent.

    I do think expulsion is probably a bit harsh for a first time "crime" but kids need to realise that posting stuff online is like taking an ad out in the paper or handing out flyers or something.


  • #46
    Benny_Cake
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    Dudess wrote: »
    I agree it must have been really serious stuff because an expulsion is a huge step, although it still seems a bit much IMO. Shut down the page, suspend the little pricks and give them a warning - surely sufficient? Unless there were allegations on the page?
    I also don't understand how something like this could damage a teacher's career.

    I was under the impression that there were allegations on the page?


  • #47
    davet82
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    stovelid wrote: »
    Suspension (under threat of expulsion next time) would have been more fair.

    My first reaction was it was harsh then reading some of the posts i thought, actually this is pretty serious they should be fcuked out...

    but i think the above post hit the nail on the head imo


  • #48
    Hannibal Smith
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    I think its very extreme...expeling them for Facebook comments?! That's ridiculous. It makes a mockery out of online bullying, which is a real issue.

    I'm sure the kids knew there'd be repercussions...but expulsion?!


  • #49
    Dudess
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    Hannibal Smith wrote: »
    I think its very extreme...expeling them for Facebook comments?! That's ridiculous. It makes a mockery out of online bullying, which is a real issue.

    I'm sure the kids knew there'd be repercussions...but expulsion?!
    I bet it's a lot more than mere comments - an expulsion is never for a minor thing, to be fair. There were girls in my school who assaulted teachers and didn't get expelled!

    Benny Cake, I dunno. Presume considering the fallout that it was something really serious like that all right.


  • #50
    Offside
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    What I've heard is it was on a Meme's page dedicated to the school - Obviously these things can escalate and I'd assume the meme's just started to get very out of hand. It's idiotic to be posting such allegations on a public page that can be viewed by anyone - I'm not sure if expulsion was the right option but these kids needed to see there are consequences to these actions that when done were probably just viewed by them as banter or a bit of craic.


  • #51
    GaryIrv93
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    From reading this it seems that just the teachers are under bullying protection. Millions of kids everyday are bullied, many much more seriously than these teachers, and it's seen by teachers. How come those bullies don't get suspended or expelled? Why aren't kids as fully protected?


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