Tonight With Vincent Browne Thread v2.0

vicwatson · 17-05-2012 11:23pm

If Fianna Fail say vote Yes - then that automatically means we should vote NO !

Fenian Army · 17-05-2012 11:26pm

The thing I dont get is that countries can sign up to this treaty at any time. So lets say down the road we need a bailout, why not sign up then?

Surely we should only give up more sovereignty if we really really have to?

steelcityblues · 17-05-2012 11:29pm

Never get why Donohoe is wheeled out so much for media appearances.

maddragon · 17-05-2012 11:30pm

I sometimes think that our politicians actually want to give away all our sovereignty so they don't even have to pretend to do anything anymore except pass a few years up in the big city until they draw a large pension and gratuity.

tayto lover · 17-05-2012 11:30pm

Skid wrote: »

Funnily enough, I was just saying that to someone today.

Expect that to resurface almost straight away after the vote - fines, reminders etc.

After which vote, first or second ?

Blondie919 · 17-05-2012 11:31pm

dublinman1990 wrote: »

Does this start @ 10:45pm every Thursday night now. I didn't realise that I missed a half an hour of this show tonight after watching the Mentalist. Why did VB put this show fifteen minutes longer?

It started at 10.45pm but it didn't "really" start. There was a brief intro to what they would be discussing and then there was a break for the news. After that there was an ad break. It didn't really start till 10.55pm.

Listening to that eejit Paschal has made me decide to vote No.

Skid · 17-05-2012 11:33pm

That Donedeal Ad is sexist -if they had a man trading in his wife for a younger model there would be uproar :rolleyes:

JonathanAnon · 17-05-2012 11:34pm

There's a lot of people, who are on the public pay bill, doing a lot of brave talk about "sticking it to Europe" about voting NO.... They'd better be careful what they wish for, it is singularly because of the bailout cheques coming from Europe that we are not having ...

- HUGE cuts in public sector wages.
- HUGE cuts in public sector numbers.
- HUGE cuts in all benefits..

If Europe pulls funding then we have to balance our books immediately or get funding from another source... And tbh, the sooner that people stop funding the ridiculous spending in this country, the better..

tayto lover · 17-05-2012 11:35pm

Skid wrote: »

That Donedeal Ad is sexist -if they had a man trading in his wife for a younger model there would be uproar :rolleyes:

Some of us might only get scrappage

tayto lover · 17-05-2012 11:36pm

JonathanAnon wrote: »

There's a lot of people, who are on the public pay bill, doing a lot of brave talk about "sticking it to Europe" about voting NO.... They'd better be careful what they wish for, it is singularly because of the bailout cheques coming from Europe that we are not having ...

- HUGE cuts in public sector wages.
- HUGE cuts in public sector numbers.
- HUGE cuts in all benefits..

If Europe pulls funding then we have to balance our books immediately or get funding from another source... And tbh, the sooner that people stop funding the ridiculous spending in this country, the better..

Good man Enda.

Skid · 17-05-2012 11:40pm

I dislike how they show the movement since the General Election, just because Millward Brown haven't had a Poll since then.

Sinn Fein were on 21% in an MRBI poll in April, it's not like there has been an overnight surge to them. If anything Sinn Fein support has fallen in the last month.

dublinman1990 · 17-05-2012 11:40pm

I think that is a first for Dunphy to call Roy Keane a pain in the @rse. It doesn't look like it is a joke either.

F-Stop · 17-05-2012 11:42pm

Skid wrote: »

That Donedeal Ad is sexist -if they had a man trading in his wife for a younger model there would be uproar :rolleyes:

Sexist? huh? It's trying to appeal to the Irish people - that's what the woman who is selling off her husband represents. She's getting rid of the dumb, bloated, golf playing sack of **** - which represents those in the Dail - on a second hand stuff website. She feels no real loss, she's happy to get a deal to be rid of him. It's a vote No ad dressed up like a real ad with a twist of controversy so that some people miss the point.

take everything · 17-05-2012 11:42pm

Interesting to see that Hollande wants to harmonise corporation tax.

tayto lover · 17-05-2012 11:44pm

F-Stop wrote: »

Sexist? huh? It's trying to appeal to the Irish people - that's what the woman who is selling off her husband represents. She's getting rid of the dumb, bloated, golf playing sack of **** - which represents those in the Dail - on a second hand stuff website. She feels no real loss, she's happy to get a deal to be rid of him. It's a vote No ad dressed up like a real ad with a twist of controversy so that some people miss the point.

That's very deeeeeeeeeepppp.

F-Stop · 17-05-2012 11:47pm

tayto lover wrote: »

That's very deeeeeeeeeepppp.

For some reason I've a hankering for a crisp sandwich.

take everything · 17-05-2012 11:49pm

Real sense of deja vu here.

take everything · 17-05-2012 11:49pm

That dolt can't even pronounce Constantin's name.

dublinman1990 · 17-05-2012 11:52pm

take everything wrote: »

That dolt can't even pronounce Constantin's name.

It felt like it sounded in Pascal word's as can't stand him to me?

JonathanAnon · 17-05-2012 11:52pm

Skid wrote: »

That Donedeal Ad is sexist -if they had a man trading in his wife for a younger model there would be uproar :rolleyes:

As if women could use the Internet..

F-Stop · 17-05-2012 11:53pm

My crisp sandwich: the soft white bread represents the Yes voters. Once bitten, never shy - they'll vote Yes again on round two. The crisps represent the no voters - brittle, unpredictable, smothered in MSG for drama. The couple of slices of cheese I add in, with a dollop of mustard, represent the European plutocracy that fools us into thinking we live in a democracy, when really they are the centre of the sandwich from beginning to end.

BlaasForRafa · 17-05-2012 11:54pm

take everything wrote: »

That dolt can't even pronounce Constantin's name.

That Paschal fella is a complete and utter tool. Its no wonder the government is so spineless when it comes to negotiating with the ECB and Merkel if he's an example of the mental midgets that form their ranks.

Dotsie~tmp · 17-05-2012 11:55pm

That beds-etc ad.

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Lady Chatterton · 17-05-2012 11:55pm

JonathanAnon wrote: »

As if women could use the Internet..

Poster banned

:D

dublinman1990 · 17-05-2012 11:56pm

Dublin & Monaghan Bombings was on this day 38 years ago. May all those who died in the bombings Rest In Peace.

Lady Chatterton · 17-05-2012 11:58pm

dublinman1990 wrote: »

Dublin & Monaghan Bombings was on this day 38 years ago. May all those who died in the bombings Rest In Peace.

I'm surprised Vinny didn't mention it as he has done quite a few programmes on the Dublin/Monaghan Bombings.

dublinman1990 · 18-05-2012 12:01am

MrsD007 wrote: »

I'm surprised Vinny didn't mention it as he has done quite a few programmes on the Dublin/Monaghan Bombings.

No, He did mention it tonight after the last break. He hasn't forgotten that.

Lapin · 18-05-2012 12:07am

MrsD007 wrote: »

I'm surprised Vinny didn't mention it as he has done quite a few programmes on the Dublin/Monaghan Bombings.

He was on the scene with his brother in the immediate aftermath of the Talbot Street bomb carrying wounded victims to safety.

He has told of how one well known hotel refused to let them bring an injured person in to wait on an ambulance as the blood would stain the lobby floor.

Good loser · 18-05-2012 12:13am

BlaasForRafa wrote: »

That Paschal fella is a complete and utter tool. Its no wonder the government is so spineless when it comes to negotiating with the ECB and Merkel if he's an example of the mental midgets that form their ranks.

That's astonishing. Couldn't agree less with you.

What about Siobhan? Her eagerness to contribute is in inverse proportion to her corrigibility to reason.

What about Vincent wanting us to vote no /not to vote in case the Treaty is changed while Constantin wants a no vote because the Treaty will be changed after we vote yes

Skid · 18-05-2012 2:20pm

Good loser wrote: »

That's astonishing. Couldn't agree less with you.

What about Siobhan? Her eagerness to contribute is in inverse proportion to her corrigibility to reason.

What about Vincent wanting us to vote no /not to vote in case the Treaty is changed while Constantin wants a no vote because the Treaty will be changed after we vote yes

Nothing in what you have said offers any evidence that Pascal Donohue made a worthwhile contribution to last night's debate. I think he is a waffler who offers very little in his contributions.

StephenHendry · 18-05-2012 2:23pm

donohoe came across very amateurish in his debating on the fiscal treaty last night as vinny corrected him a number of times on points that he made. he does seem a decent guy but imo probably wont be taoiseach or tanaiste material for FG

Good loser · 18-05-2012 10:45pm

Skid wrote: »

Nothing in what you have said offers any evidence that Pascal Donohue made a worthwhile contribution to last night's debate. I think he is a waffler who offers very little in his contributions.

I haven't the time or inclination to deliver 'evidence' as you call it.

I've always considered him intelligent and well able for his brief - more so than Vincent. Mostly honest too.

Next time notice how Vincent harangues those he disagrees with and gives a free ride to his pets. When his side are getting 'done' he breaks for the ads.

Lapin · 21-05-2012 11:15pm

Interesting to see TV3 follow up on an RTÉ Production.

Anyone hear Tom McGurk on the first half hour of Moncrieff earlier? Well worth a listen.

Niamh Lyons looking well tonight !

M cebee · 21-05-2012 11:17pm

ya the debate was awful
The no's won imo

take everything · 21-05-2012 11:19pm

This media dude is quite good.

tayto lover · 21-05-2012 11:20pm

Good panel tonight. Gemma on again too so it was worth her time ruining Gallagher.
The earlier debate was very poor with all the interrupting and i also think the "No" side won easily. Gilmour refusing to debate the Banking crisis which is very important in the debate. That lad has really turned his back on all that Labour stood for.

Jess16 · 21-05-2012 11:22pm

Personally, I'm more confused and conflicted about this referendum than ever

ambid · 21-05-2012 11:22pm

Vincent seems very chilled out and mellow tonight. Not his normal grouchy and cranky self. Maybe it's because of the lack of politicans on the panel

Kurz · 21-05-2012 11:25pm

ambid wrote: »

Vincent seems very chilled out and mellow tonight. Not his normal grouchy and cranky self. Maybe it's because of the lack of politicans on the panel

Probably because the treaty has zero significance for Ireland or anywhere else due to the rapidly changing situation in Europe. He knows this treaty and its outcome doesn't matter a tick.

jimmyw · 21-05-2012 11:25pm

Lapin wrote: »

Interesting to see TV3 follow up on an RTÉ Production.

Anyone hear Tom McGurk on the first half hour of Moncrieff earlier? Well worth a listen.

Niamh Lyons looking well tonight !

C'mon now, doesn't she always? She would look good in a bin liner:D

That feckin Lynch wan is on again.

ambid · 21-05-2012 11:27pm

Jess16 wrote: »

Personally, I'm more confused and conflicted about this referendum than ever

Doesn't really matter. Ganley is right that the bank debt is the whole ballgame. This treaty is arguing about what direction to turn after we've hit an iceberg. This won't stop us sinking and it's just to keep the Germans happy that Europe does not have a chaotic approach to finance. It won't substantially either fix or worsen our problems.

tayto lover · 21-05-2012 11:28pm

I agree with Niamh (who wouldn't ?) that the Referendum should be deferred. No need for it at this time.

Sir Oxman · 21-05-2012 11:28pm

Hack VB says Enda Kenny can't hack it on his show!
And he'd be right.

Lapin · 21-05-2012 11:30pm

ambid wrote: »

Vincent seems very chilled out and mellow tonight. Not his normal grouchy and cranky self. Maybe it's because of the lack of politicans on the panel

Give him time.

Many a panellist in that studio had the same thought until Vinnie came in late to bite them in the butt.

ambid · 21-05-2012 11:32pm

Lapin wrote: »

Give him time.

Many a panellist in that studio had the same thought until Vinnie came in late to bite them in the butt.

I saw him in Dundrum town center a few weeks back and he seemed very annoyed then.

Mind you shopping does that to me too :mad:

Jess16 · 21-05-2012 11:34pm

ambid wrote: »

Doesn't really matter. Ganley is right that the bank debt is the whole ballgame. This treaty is arguing about what direction to turn after we've hit an iceberg. This won't stop us sinking and it's just to keep the Germans happy that Europe does not have a chaotic approach to finance. It won't substantially either fix or worsen our problems.

Without wishing to sound at all rude, that's a very simplistic approach to what is essentially a Treaty with very complex implications. Any potential change to our Constitution is something with significant ramifications and not to be dismissed as irrelevant.

Not surprised Enda isn't making an appearance at TV3 -Vincent would eat him for breakfast!

M cebee · 21-05-2012 11:41pm

theres too many bluffers in this country
Politics and tv is full of them

Kurz · 21-05-2012 11:44pm

Jess16 wrote: »

Without wishing to sound at all rude, that's a very simplistic approach to what is essentially a Treaty with very complex implications. Any potential change to our Constitution is something with significant ramifications and not to be dismissed as irrelevant.

These implications/ramifications are only relevant in the case that there's actually someone to answer to. This is the point. The European project and its institutions are on very shakey ground, the implications of this treaty are fleeting. I would say it could possibly become irrelevant but in this case, it already has.

ambid · 21-05-2012 11:45pm

Jess16 wrote: »

Without wishing to sound at all rude, that's a very simplistic approach to what is essentially a Treaty with very complex implications. Any potential change to our Constitution is something with significant ramifications and not to be dismissed as irrelevant.

Not surprised Enda isn't making an appearance at TV3 -Vincent would eat him for breakfast!

Yeah but my point is the bank debt is our biggest single problem. We're not discussing that at all.

The debate on Europe I want is what Europe should look like - an intergovernmental alliance, a confederation, a full federation. We're not having that debate either. We're getting federation by increment and I'm not comfortable with that.

The treaty largely recommits us to commitments we have mainly already made in previous treaties, so I find it difficult to get excited about it.

Besides, as Bruton said on TWIP, twice in 30 years Irish givernments have brought this country to bankrupcy for short term electoral advantage. I don't trust the Irish political system to produce effective or competant government so forcing governments to adhere to sensible economic principles is something we probably need.

Lapin · 21-05-2012 11:51pm

Getting a bit tired of V.B.'s side swipes at Enda Kenny.

He's not coming on your show Vinnie - Now forget it and move on.

The world doesn't revolve around Ballymount between 11pm and midnight.

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